FYIYou can display the date created in the File manager.
Did you know: That no file manager with a GuI will display files in a directory in the order they are written onto the media? And that no
option in CMD will do this either?
(I really don't understand Powershell or its role. Will anything in Powershell do this?)
The only thing I know that will do this is Take Command, TCC or its free version TCC/LE. Hasn't been updated since 2020 or earlier afaict, but
there is no need to update it. It's fantastic. Has many other great enhancements though my 709-yo memory will need some time to think of
them.
One simple one is CD.... where the number of dots minus one indicates
how many directories up you will position yourself.
And dir /o:u will display files in Unsorted order.
Why would physical order matter? I'm sure there are many reasons, but
for me, I wanted a flashdrive with music I like, since no radio station
in Baltimore** plays it and I'm going abroad and certainly no station
there plays 50's and early 60's music. But using Radiomaximus, and I'm
sure other methods, one can play 181.FM Oldies, for free. And there
are amny other genres as well.
I did this several years ago but I can't find the flashdrive I made.
This time it will be even better. So instead of just recording for a ay
and a half, I recorded for 3 days. Got about 1650 files. Sorted alphabetically and got rid of two groups I don't like, and got rid of
the advertisements that they play, not that often but since I can get
rid of them, I did so. (they are easy to spot, 1/10th the size of songs,
plus they all have the same or similar names, names that are not the
names of songs. There were about 240 out of the 1700)
This left 1357. By sorting alphabetically, one sees that ome songs
appea only once, some twice, and many 3 times.
Well, they've taken small steps against my plan by putting a little advertising within the song files, but a small amount compared to what I deleted.
If you use VLC and some other software, it plays them in alphabetical
order, no matter what order they are on the flashdrive. How about that.
But the gizmo I have that plugs into the cigarette lighter and xmit to
the radio plays in the order they exist on the drive. The car I rent
will probably have a usb input, and I don't know what order they will
play in. I've also got a tiny mp3 player that connects with a 1/8"
audio cable. That plays in the order I want.
For some reason, 5 seconds or so of the next song ae in the privious
song's file, so if you don't play them in the original order, all the
songs start 5 seconds in, and end with 5 seconds unrelated to the song
before or the song after.
Then I copied all of them to the flash drive it used whatever order was
in the File Manager (with a gui). But I couldnt tell for sure what order
they were in without TCC/LE and dir /o:u .
FYI
Did you know: That no file manager with a GuI will display files in a directory in the order they are written onto the media? And that no
option in CMD will do this either?
(I really don't understand Powershell or its role. Will anything in Powershell do this?)
FYI
Did you know: That no file manager with a GuI will display files in a directory in the order they are written onto the media? And that no
option in CMD will do this either?
(I really don't understand Powershell or its role. Will anything in Powershell do this?)
The only thing I know that will do this is Take Command, TCC or its free version TCC/LE. Hasn't been updated since 2020 or earlier afaict, but
there is no need to update it. It's fantastic. Has many other great enhancements though my 709-yo memory will need some time to think of
them.
One simple one is CD.... where the number of dots minus one indicates
how many directories up you will position yourself.
And dir /o:u will display files in Unsorted order.
Why would physical order matter? I'm sure there are many reasons, but
for me, I wanted a flashdrive with music I like, since no radio station
in Baltimore** plays it and I'm going abroad and certainly no station
there plays 50's and early 60's music. But using Radiomaximus, and I'm
sure other methods, one can play 181.FM Oldies, for free. And there
are amny other genres as well.
I did this several years ago but I can't find the flashdrive I made.
This time it will be even better. So instead of just recording for a ay
and a half, I recorded for 3 days. Got about 1650 files. Sorted alphabetically and got rid of two groups I don't like, and got rid of
the advertisements that they play, not that often but since I can get
rid of them, I did so. (they are easy to spot, 1/10th the size of songs,
plus they all have the same or similar names, names that are not the
names of songs. There were about 240 out of the 1700)
This left 1357. By sorting alphabetically, one sees that ome songs
appea only once, some twice, and many 3 times.
Well, they've taken small steps against my plan by putting a little advertising within the song files, but a small amount compared to what I deleted.
If you use VLC and some other software, it plays them in alphabetical
order, no matter what order they are on the flashdrive. How about that.
But the gizmo I have that plugs into the cigarette lighter and xmit to
the radio plays in the order they exist on the drive. The car I rent
will probably have a usb input, and I don't know what order they will
play in. I've also got a tiny mp3 player that connects with a 1/8"
audio cable. That plays in the order I want.
For some reason, 5 seconds or so of the next song ae in the privious
song's file, so if you don't play them in the original order, all the
songs start 5 seconds in, and end with 5 seconds unrelated to the song
before or the song after.
Then I copied all of them to the flash drive it used whatever order was
in the File Manager (with a gui). But I couldnt tell for sure what order
they were in without TCC/LE and dir /o:u .
Why would physical order matter? I'm sure there are many reasons, but
for me, I wanted a flashdrive with music I like, since no radio station
in Baltimore** plays it and I'm going abroad and certainly no station
there plays 50's and early 60's music. But using Radiomaximus, and I'm
sure other methods, one can play 181.FM Oldies, for free. And there
are amny other genres as well.
FYI
Did you know: That no file manager with a GuI will display files in a directory in the order they are written onto the media? And that no
option in CMD will do this either?
FYI
Did you know: That no file manager with a GuI will display files in a directory in the order they are written onto the media? And that no
option in CMD will do this either?
(I really don't understand Powershell or its role. Will anything in Powershell do this?)
The only thing I know that will do this is Take Command, TCC or its free version TCC/LE. Hasn't been updated since 2020 or earlier afaict, but
there is no need to update it. It's fantastic. Has many other great enhancements though my 709-yo memory will need some time to think of
them.
One simple one is CD.... where the number of dots minus one indicates
how many directories up you will position yourself.
And dir /o:u will display files in Unsorted order.
Why would physical order matter? I'm sure there are many reasons, but
for me, I wanted a flashdrive with music I like, since no radio station
in Baltimore** plays it and I'm going abroad and certainly no station
there plays 50's and early 60's music. But using Radiomaximus, and I'm
sure other methods, one can play 181.FM Oldies, for free. And there
are amny other genres as well.
I did this several years ago but I can't find the flashdrive I made.
This time it will be even better. So instead of just recording for a ay
and a half, I recorded for 3 days. Got about 1650 files. Sorted alphabetically and got rid of two groups I don't like, and got rid of
the advertisements that they play, not that often but since I can get
rid of them, I did so. (they are easy to spot, 1/10th the size of songs,
plus they all have the same or similar names, names that are not the
names of songs. There were about 240 out of the 1700)
This left 1357. By sorting alphabetically, one sees that ome songs
appea only once, some twice, and many 3 times.
Well, they've taken small steps against my plan by putting a little advertising within the song files, but a small amount compared to what I deleted.
If you use VLC and some other software, it plays them in alphabetical
order, no matter what order they are on the flashdrive. How about that.
But the gizmo I have that plugs into the cigarette lighter and xmit to
the radio plays in the order they exist on the drive. The car I rent
will probably have a usb input, and I don't know what order they will
play in. I've also got a tiny mp3 player that connects with a 1/8"
audio cable. That plays in the order I want.
For some reason, 5 seconds or so of the next song ae in the privious
song's file, so if you don't play them in the original order, all the
songs start 5 seconds in, and end with 5 seconds unrelated to the song
before or the song after.
Then I copied all of them to the flash drive it used whatever order was
in the File Manager (with a gui). But I couldnt tell for sure what order
they were in without TCC/LE and dir /o:u .
Since you have likely messed with the original USB stick,
there might not be any special properties of the file system
to take advantage of at this point. The creation date of
the files, may indicate the order of capture, and there
is enough time between selections for the file times
to be unique.
On Mon, 2/23/2026 2:32 PM, Paul wrote:
Since you have likely messed with the original USB stick,
there might not be any special properties of the file system
to take advantage of at this point. The creation date of
the files, may indicate the order of capture, and there
is enough time between selections for the file times
to be unique.
Come to think of it, you could do
0001-WaylenJennings.mp3
0002-AliceCooper.mp3
0003-AnneMurray.mp3
By placing a number in front, if the playback
is alphanumeric, you can prepend a string to
control it. And Micky, you likely know more
about doing that, than I do (file-renamers).
Paul
On 02/22/2026 3:51 PM, micky wrote:
FYIYou can display the date created in the File manager.
Did you know: That no file manager with a GuI will display files in a
directory in the order they are written onto the media? And that no
option in CMD will do this either?
(I really don't understand Powershell or its role. Will anything in
Powershell do this?)
The only thing I know that will do this is Take Command, TCC or its free
version TCC/LE. Hasn't been updated since 2020 or earlier afaict, but
there is no need to update it. It's fantastic. Has many other great
enhancements though my 709-yo memory will need some time to think of
them.
One simple one is CD.... where the number of dots minus one indicates
how many directories up you will position yourself.
And dir /o:u will display files in Unsorted order.
Why would physical order matter? I'm sure there are many reasons, but
for me, I wanted a flashdrive with music I like, since no radio station
in Baltimore** plays it and I'm going abroad and certainly no station
there plays 50's and early 60's music. But using Radiomaximus, and I'm
sure other methods, one can play 181.FM Oldies, for free. And there
are amny other genres as well.
I did this several years ago but I can't find the flashdrive I made.
This time it will be even better. So instead of just recording for a ay
and a half, I recorded for 3 days. Got about 1650 files. Sorted
alphabetically and got rid of two groups I don't like, and got rid of
the advertisements that they play, not that often but since I can get
rid of them, I did so. (they are easy to spot, 1/10th the size of songs,
plus they all have the same or similar names, names that are not the
names of songs. There were about 240 out of the 1700)
This left 1357. By sorting alphabetically, one sees that ome songs
appea only once, some twice, and many 3 times.
Well, they've taken small steps against my plan by putting a little
advertising within the song files, but a small amount compared to what I
deleted.
If you use VLC and some other software, it plays them in alphabetical
order, no matter what order they are on the flashdrive. How about that.
But the gizmo I have that plugs into the cigarette lighter and xmit to
the radio plays in the order they exist on the drive. The car I rent
will probably have a usb input, and I don't know what order they will
play in. I've also got a tiny mp3 player that connects with a 1/8"
audio cable. That plays in the order I want.
For some reason, 5 seconds or so of the next song ae in the privious
song's file, so if you don't play them in the original order, all the
songs start 5 seconds in, and end with 5 seconds unrelated to the song
before or the song after.
Then I copied all of them to the flash drive it used whatever order was
in the File Manager (with a gui). But I couldnt tell for sure what order
they were in without TCC/LE and dir /o:u .
Right click on the colunn header bar, and then select the columns you
want to view. I normally have columns Name, Date Modified, and Sizs.
When I saw this your message, I added the column Date Create to the
column shown in the folder. You can standardize the column headings in
all folder. For images and music there are additional columns that can
be added to the File Manager Folder with those file types.
On Sun, 2/22/2026 3:51 PM, micky wrote:
FYI
Did you know: That no file manager with a GuI will display files in a
directory in the order they are written onto the media? And that no
option in CMD will do this either?
(I really don't understand Powershell or its role. Will anything in
Powershell do this?)
The only thing I know that will do this is Take Command, TCC or its free
version TCC/LE. Hasn't been updated since 2020 or earlier afaict, but
there is no need to update it. It's fantastic. Has many other great
enhancements though my 709-yo memory will need some time to think of
them.
One simple one is CD.... where the number of dots minus one indicates
how many directories up you will position yourself.
And dir /o:u will display files in Unsorted order.
Why would physical order matter? I'm sure there are many reasons, but
for me, I wanted a flashdrive with music I like, since no radio station
in Baltimore** plays it and I'm going abroad and certainly no station
there plays 50's and early 60's music. But using Radiomaximus, and I'm
sure other methods, one can play 181.FM Oldies, for free. And there
are amny other genres as well.
I did this several years ago but I can't find the flashdrive I made.
This time it will be even better. So instead of just recording for a ay
and a half, I recorded for 3 days. Got about 1650 files. Sorted
alphabetically and got rid of two groups I don't like, and got rid of
the advertisements that they play, not that often but since I can get
rid of them, I did so. (they are easy to spot, 1/10th the size of songs,
plus they all have the same or similar names, names that are not the
names of songs. There were about 240 out of the 1700)
This left 1357. By sorting alphabetically, one sees that ome songs
appea only once, some twice, and many 3 times.
Well, they've taken small steps against my plan by putting a little
advertising within the song files, but a small amount compared to what I
deleted.
If you use VLC and some other software, it plays them in alphabetical
order, no matter what order they are on the flashdrive. How about that.
But the gizmo I have that plugs into the cigarette lighter and xmit to
the radio plays in the order they exist on the drive. The car I rent
will probably have a usb input, and I don't know what order they will
play in. I've also got a tiny mp3 player that connects with a 1/8"
audio cable. That plays in the order I want.
For some reason, 5 seconds or so of the next song ae in the privious
song's file, so if you don't play them in the original order, all the
songs start 5 seconds in, and end with 5 seconds unrelated to the song
before or the song after.
Then I copied all of them to the flash drive it used whatever order was
in the File Manager (with a gui). But I couldnt tell for sure what order
they were in without TCC/LE and dir /o:u .
I think this could be repaired, but you'd have to be one
clever geek to take low-bitrate Internet Radio recordings
and have a pleasant recording after you were finished
modding it.
If an NTFS file system is brand new, and you record songs
sequentially in a single folder, the "nfi.exe" listing
of filenum slots and their filename entries, will be in
the order of recording.
You could benefit from a lossless splicer for MP3s.
Does FFMPEG have that ? Dunno. But by the songs all--- Synchronet 3.21b-Linux NewsLink 1.2
coming across from one radio station, maybe the bitrate
is stable for long periods of time.
Paul
On 2/22/2026 1:51 PM, micky wrote:
FYI
Did you know: That no file manager with a GuI will display files in a
directory in the order they are written onto the media? And that no
option in CMD will do this either?
CMD's `DIR` command by default, does not sort. It'll list >files/subdirectories in the order they're written in the storage. Note that,
NTFS stores file/subdirectory entries sorted by name.
FAT-32/16/12, ISO,--- Synchronet 3.21b-Linux NewsLink 1.2
UDF, and exFAT do not. I don't know about ReFS. AFAIK, file systems which >don't have any index, are not physically sorted.
In alt.comp.os.windows-11, on Sun, 22 Feb 2026 16:43:35 -0500, knuttle <keith_nuttle@yahoo.com> wrote:
On 02/22/2026 3:51 PM, micky wrote:
FYIYou can display the date created in the File manager.
Did you know: That no file manager with a GuI will display files in a
directory in the order they are written onto the media? And that no
option in CMD will do this either?
(I really don't understand Powershell or its role. Will anything in
Powershell do this?)
The only thing I know that will do this is Take Command, TCC or its free >>> version TCC/LE. Hasn't been updated since 2020 or earlier afaict, but
there is no need to update it. It's fantastic. Has many other great
enhancements though my 709-yo memory will need some time to think of
them.
One simple one is CD.... where the number of dots minus one indicates
how many directories up you will position yourself.
And dir /o:u will display files in Unsorted order.
Why would physical order matter? I'm sure there are many reasons, but
for me, I wanted a flashdrive with music I like, since no radio station
in Baltimore** plays it and I'm going abroad and certainly no station
there plays 50's and early 60's music. But using Radiomaximus, and I'm
sure other methods, one can play 181.FM Oldies, for free. And there
are amny other genres as well.
I did this several years ago but I can't find the flashdrive I made.
This time it will be even better. So instead of just recording for a ay
and a half, I recorded for 3 days. Got about 1650 files. Sorted
alphabetically and got rid of two groups I don't like, and got rid of
the advertisements that they play, not that often but since I can get
rid of them, I did so. (they are easy to spot, 1/10th the size of songs, >>> plus they all have the same or similar names, names that are not the
names of songs. There were about 240 out of the 1700)
This left 1357. By sorting alphabetically, one sees that ome songs
appea only once, some twice, and many 3 times.
Well, they've taken small steps against my plan by putting a little
advertising within the song files, but a small amount compared to what I >>> deleted.
If you use VLC and some other software, it plays them in alphabetical
order, no matter what order they are on the flashdrive. How about that. >>> But the gizmo I have that plugs into the cigarette lighter and xmit to
the radio plays in the order they exist on the drive. The car I rent
will probably have a usb input, and I don't know what order they will
play in. I've also got a tiny mp3 player that connects with a 1/8"
audio cable. That plays in the order I want.
For some reason, 5 seconds or so of the next song ae in the privious
song's file, so if you don't play them in the original order, all the
songs start 5 seconds in, and end with 5 seconds unrelated to the song
before or the song after.
Then I copied all of them to the flash drive it used whatever order was
in the File Manager (with a gui). But I couldnt tell for sure what order >>> they were in without TCC/LE and dir /o:u .
Displaying the date does not show you which file appears first on the
media.
Some devices play songs in the order they are stored on the
media.
Right click on the colunn header bar, and then select the columns you
want to view. I normally have columns Name, Date Modified, and Sizs.
When I saw this your message, I added the column Date Create to the
column shown in the folder. You can standardize the column headings in
all folder. For images and music there are additional columns that can
be added to the File Manager Folder with those file types.
Yes, I've long had Date Create on my list of columns, but clicking on
that gives a sorted view, by date. My point was that when using a GUI
you cannot look at files on a flashdrive or any media in an unsorted
view and you cannot with DOS or CMD either, but you can with TCC and
TCC/LE.
Some devices play songs in the order they are stored on
the media.
I find that *very* hard to believe.
micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
Displaying the date does not show you which file appears first on the
media.
What does that even mean? I suppose on a spinning magnetic drive it may
have had some meaning, but on a flash drive it is meaningless.
Some devices play songs in the order they are stored on the
media.
I find that *very* hard to believe.
micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:[]
Displaying the date does not show you which file appears first on the
media.
What does that even mean? I suppose on a spinning magnetic drive it may
have had some meaning, but on a flash drive it is meaningless.
Some devices play songs in the order they are stored on the
media.
I find that *very* hard to believe.
Yes, I've long had Date Create on my list of columns, but clicking on
that gives a sorted view, by date. My point was that when using a GUI
you cannot look at files on a flashdrive or any media in an unsorted
view and you cannot with DOS or CMD either, but you can with TCC and
TCC/LE.
If you want your media tracks to sort in a sensible manner make sure to
name them such that an ASCII sort preserves order. For example;
Instead of file1.mp3, file2.mp3, .. , file11.mp3
Do file001.mp3, file002.mp3, .. , file011.mp3
Or when using dates, always use year-month-date format: file_2026-02-24.mp3
In alt.comp.os.windows-11, on Mon, 23 Feb 2026 21:03:59 +0700, JJ <jj4public@gmail.com> wrote:
NTFS stores file/subdirectory entries sorted by name.
So that would make using NTFS a bad idea for me when I need them to be
played in date order, oldest first, right?
I was using-FAT 32.
micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:[...]
Displaying the date does not show you which file appears first on the media.
What does that even mean? I suppose on a spinning magnetic drive it may
have had some meaning, but on a flash drive it is meaningless.
Some devices play songs in the order they are stored on the
media.
I find that *very* hard to believe.
In alt.comp.os.windows-11, on Sun, 22 Feb 2026 21:29:41 -0500, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:[]
You could benefit from a lossless splicer for MP3s.
I'm sure the "splices" are lossless. That is, it doesn't actually splice files. It plays them one after another, and when they are in the right order, the last 5 seconcs of one song come from the first 5 seconds of
the next file. When I listen, I never hear the transition.
JohnDoes FFMPEG have that ? Dunno. But by the songs all
coming across from one radio station, maybe the bitrate
is stable for long periods of time.
Paul
There are many tricks to control the order of files. One is what Paul recommended about using numbers. I use this to order procedures. ie
100 may be the main procedure, 110 as procedure that support the main procedure etc.
The one that I use to bring files to the top when they are sorted, is
the use of the special character. Underscore _ will place be at the
top of a sorted dir name, file name, or shortcut name. This one is nice
as it does not disguise the name.
It comes to the top because the ASKII character is less than any number
or letter.
https://www.ascii-code.com/
Really! I will have to check again. I may have been misled because the
sort subparamenters don't list unsorted. While TCC/LE lists unsorted as
an option.
So that would make using NTFS a bad idea for me when I need them to be
played in date order, oldest first, right?
I was using-FAT 32.
micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
In alt.comp.os.windows-11, on Sun, 22 Feb 2026 16:43:35 -0500, knuttle
<keith_nuttle@yahoo.com> wrote:
Displaying the date does not show you which file appears first on the
media.
What does that even mean? I suppose on a spinning magnetic drive it may
have had some meaning, but on a flash drive it is meaningless.
On 02/22/2026 3:51 PM, micky wrote:
FYIYou can display the date created in the File manager.
Did you know: That no file manager with a GuI will display files in a
directory in the order they are written onto the media?-a And that no
option in CMD will do this either?
(I really don't understand Powershell or its role. Will anything in
Powershell do this?)
The only thing I know that will do this is Take Command, TCC or its free
version TCC/LE.-a Hasn't been updated since 2020 or earlier afaict, but
there is no need to update it.-a It's fantastic.-a Has many other great
enhancements though my 709-yo memory will need some time to think of
them.
-a-a One simple one is CD....-a where the number of dots minus one indicates >> how many directories up you will position yourself.
-a-a And dir /o:u will display files in Unsorted order.
Why would physical order matter?-a I'm sure there are many reasons, but
for me, I wanted a flashdrive with music I like, since no radio station
in Baltimore** plays it and I'm going abroad and certainly no station
there plays 50's and early 60's music.-a But using Radiomaximus, and I'm
sure other methods, one can play 181.FM Oldies, for free.-a-a And there
are amny other genres as well.
I did this several years ago but I can't find the flashdrive I made.
This time it will be even better. So instead of just recording for a ay
and a half, I recorded for 3 days. Got about 1650 files.-a Sorted
alphabetically and got rid of two groups I don't like, and got rid of
the advertisements that they play, not that often but since I can get
rid of them, I did so. (they are easy to spot, 1/10th the size of songs,
plus they all have the same or similar names, names that are not the
names of songs.-a There were about 240 out of the 1700)
This left 1357.-a By sorting alphabetically, one sees that ome songs
appea only once, some twice, and many 3 times.
Well, they've taken small steps against my plan by putting a little
advertising within the song files, but a small amount compared to what I
deleted.
If you use VLC and some other software, it plays them in alphabetical
order, no matter what order they are on the flashdrive.-a How about that.
But the gizmo I have that plugs into the cigarette lighter and xmit to
the radio plays in the order they exist on the drive.-a The car I rent
will probably have a usb input, and I don't know what order they will
play in.-a I've also got a tiny mp3 player that connects with a 1/8"
audio cable. That plays in the order I want.
For some reason, 5 seconds or so of the next song ae in the privious
song's file, so if you don't play them in the original order, all the
songs start 5 seconds in, and end with 5 seconds unrelated to the song
before or the song after.
Then I copied all of them to the flash drive it used whatever order was
in the File Manager (with a gui). But I couldnt tell for sure what order
they were in without TCC/LE and-a dir /o:u .
Right click on the colunn header bar, and then select the columns you
want to view.-a-a I normally have columns Name, Date Modified, and Sizs.
When I saw this your message, I added the column Date Create to the
column shown in the folder.-a-a You can standardize the column headings in all folder.-a For images and music there are additional columns that can
be added to the File Manager Folder with those file types.
On 2026-02-24 13:21, Chris wrote:
micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
In alt.comp.os.windows-11, on Sun, 22 Feb 2026 16:43:35 -0500, knuttle
<keith_nuttle@yahoo.com> wrote:
Displaying the date does not show you which file appears first on the
media.
What does that even mean? I suppose on a spinning magnetic drive it may
have had some meaning, but on a flash drive it is meaningless.
Yes, it does. It is the order in which the file names are written in the directory entry of the FAT or NTFS structure.
Once sorted by creation date, use a tool to rename the files so that they go:
0000 song name
0001 song name
0002 song name
On Wed, 25 Feb 2026 12:33:32 +0100, "Carlos E.R."
<robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
Once sorted by creation date, use a tool to rename the files so that they go:
0000 song name
0001 song name
0002 song name
On Windows, the best tool I've seen for that is Bulk Rename Utility, available from https://www.bulkrenameutility.co.uk/.
On 2026/2/24 3:14:18, micky wrote:
In alt.comp.os.windows-11, on Sun, 22 Feb 2026 21:29:41 -0500, Paul[]
<nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
You could benefit from a lossless splicer for MP3s.
I'm sure the "splices" are lossless. That is, it doesn't actually splice
files. It plays them one after another, and when they are in the right
order, the last 5 seconcs of one song come from the first 5 seconds of
the next file. When I listen, I never hear the transition.
I think Paul was suggesting that you might overcome this quirk (which is >presumably an artefact of either the streaming station you use, or your
means of storing its stream) by splicing together all the files into
one, then breaking them at the five-seconds-earlier point(s). There are,
indeed, mp3-handling utilities that will join and separate MP3 files--- Synchronet 3.21b-Linux NewsLink 1.2
without further corruption (i. e. decoding and then recoding), by
operating only at block boundaries (which are usually short enough not
to be noticeable). I vaguely remember one such being called something
like mp3 workshop; when I looked yesterday something of that name was >available from several of the usual suspects, but I couldn't find the >original website.
John
Does FFMPEG have that ? Dunno. But by the songs all
coming across from one radio station, maybe the bitrate
is stable for long periods of time.
Paul
In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Tue, 24 Feb 2026 14:01:02 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
On 2026/2/24 3:14:18, micky wrote:
In alt.comp.os.windows-11, on Sun, 22 Feb 2026 21:29:41 -0500, Paul[]
<nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
You could benefit from a lossless splicer for MP3s.
I'm sure the "splices" are lossless. That is, it doesn't actually splice >>> files. It plays them one after another, and when they are in the right
order, the last 5 seconcs of one song come from the first 5 seconds of
the next file. When I listen, I never hear the transition.
I think Paul was suggesting that you might overcome this quirk (which is >>presumably an artefact of either the streaming station you use, or your >>means of storing its stream) by splicing together all the files into
one, then breaking them at the five-seconds-earlier point(s). There are,
I seen what you, and Paul, mean. I appreciate the suggestion. It sounds
like a lot of trouble when everything is fine now, and when I'd have to
put them in the right order before splicing them anyhow.
On 2026/2/25 17:11:10, Char Jackson wrote:
On Wed, 25 Feb 2026 12:33:32 +0100, "Carlos E.R."
<robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
Once sorted by creation date, use a tool to rename the files so that they go:
0000 song name
0001 song name
0002 song name
On Windows, the best tool I've seen for that is Bulk Rename Utility,
available from https://www.bulkrenameutility.co.uk/.
The original poster has a device which plays files in the order it finds >them, regardless of filename.
On 2026-02-26, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Tue, 24 Feb 2026 14:01:02 +0000, "J. P.
Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
On 2026/2/24 3:14:18, micky wrote:
In alt.comp.os.windows-11, on Sun, 22 Feb 2026 21:29:41 -0500, Paul[]
<nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
You could benefit from a lossless splicer for MP3s.
I'm sure the "splices" are lossless. That is, it doesn't actually splice >>>> files. It plays them one after another, and when they are in the right >>>> order, the last 5 seconcs of one song come from the first 5 seconds of >>>> the next file. When I listen, I never hear the transition.
I think Paul was suggesting that you might overcome this quirk (which is >>> presumably an artefact of either the streaming station you use, or your
means of storing its stream) by splicing together all the files into
one, then breaking them at the five-seconds-earlier point(s). There are,
I seen what you, and Paul, mean. I appreciate the suggestion. It sounds
like a lot of trouble when everything is fine now, and when I'd have to
put them in the right order before splicing them anyhow.
If the recording was pulled from an MP3 streaming channel, I am
guessing that the recorder program monitored the metadata stream and
declared a "track switch" when the track title changed. Which might
not be seen until a few seconds in.
I don't at the moment, see a simple solution to making
your equipment do what it's supposed to do. It is possible
RadioMaximus has some Preference
that has the 5 second behavior in it,
and the behavior is being "applied to the wrong thing". It
was not likely to be intended for ruining music selections
as they were stored as files. Saving in streaming mode,
avoids arbitrary chopping, but would be a lot of work to
create a derived work (a USB stick) for later. If you load a
three day stream into Audacity, it might take a lot of
storage to do that, as the selection is read in and stored
as 1MB "chunks". And the format they use while doing that,
might not be as efficient as MP3. And any time you edit
something (without lossless splice) there would be some
generational loss.
Since you have likely messed with the original USB stick,
there might not be any special properties of the file system
to take advantage of at this point. The creation date of
the files, may indicate the order of capture, and there
is enough time between selections for the file times
to be unique.
On 2/22/2026 9:51 PM, micky wrote:
Why would physical order matter? I'm sure there are many reasons, but
for me, I wanted a flashdrive with music I like, since no radio station
in Baltimore** plays it and I'm going abroad and certainly no station
there plays 50's and early 60's music. But using Radiomaximus, and I'm
sure other methods, one can play 181.FM Oldies, for free. And there
are amny other genres as well.
It's off-topic here, but anyhow:
If you want to find local radio stations, a good start is: >https://radio.garden/
A list of radio streams: https://www.webradiostreams.nl/
A collection of hobby radio stations: https://laut.fm/
Just select your preferred streams, put them into a
html file and you can play them in any web browser.
For example some oldie streams extracted from the
above links:
http://stream.antenne.com/oldies/mp3-128/radioplayer/ >http://edge59.streamonkey.net/oe24-6070er.mp3 >https://stream.laut.fm/oldies-1-2-3
For Android there is a simple and add-free radio player.
It reads the stream links from an user generated text file,
so only selected radio stations are displayed.
https://apkpure.net/customradioplayer-basic-url/de.battlestr1k3.radionerd
On 2/22/2026 1:51 PM, micky wrote:
FYI
Did you know: That no file manager with a GuI will display files in a
directory in the order they are written onto the media? And that no
option in CMD will do this either?
(I really don't understand Powershell or its role. Will anything in
Powershell do this?)
--
...w-i|#-o-#-n|#
Powershell examples:
Ascending Order (oldest first):
powershell
Get-ChildItem | Sort-Object CreationTime
or using the 'dir' alias
dir | sort CreationTime
-----------
Descending Order (newest first):
powershell
Get-ChildItem | Sort-Object CreationTime -Descending
or using the 'dir' alias
dir | sort CreationTime -Descending
----------
Filter for Files Only
powershell
Get-ChildItem -File | Sort-Object LastWriteTime -Descending
----------
Note: Powershell date related objects for file system objects
CreationTime
LastWriteTime (Modified date)
LastAccessTime (Last time the file was opened or accessed)
Optionally for File Explorer when a file is created is has columns for >viewiing such as creation date, modified date and date last saved.
last saved *is not* the time last copied to the media.
Open File Explorer to a folder with files, ensure the Date last saved
column is enabled.....then look, you should be able to figure out 'last >saved' meaning.
File Explorer's GIU provides both--- Synchronet 3.21b-Linux NewsLink 1.2
On 2026/2/24 4:48:56, micky wrote:
In alt.comp.os.windows-11, on Mon, 23 Feb 2026 21:03:59 +0700, JJ
<jj4public@gmail.com> wrote:
[]
NTFS stores file/subdirectory entries sorted by name.
So that would make using NTFS a bad idea for me when I need them to be
played in date order, oldest first, right?
I was using-FAT 32.
Does your device - that plays things in the order it finds them - even >support NTFS?
[]
thanks for the suggestions and encouragement. I will have to work on
this. I like power and I don't mind shells. so I should take advantage
of all this.
In alt.comp.os.windows-11, on Mon, 23 Feb 2026 14:45:57 +0100, Herbert Kleebauer <klee@unibwm.de> wrote:
On 2/22/2026 9:51 PM, micky wrote:
Why would physical order matter? I'm sure there are many reasons, but
for me, I wanted a flashdrive with music I like, since no radio station
in Baltimore** plays it and I'm going abroad and certainly no station
there plays 50's and early 60's music. But using Radiomaximus, and I'm
sure other methods, one can play 181.FM Oldies, for free. And there
are amny other genres as well.
It's off-topic here, but anyhow:
I've never been against off-topic. My grandmother told me to broaden my mind.
If you want to find local radio stations, a good start is:
https://radio.garden/
A list of radio streams: https://www.webradiostreams.nl/
A collection of hobby radio stations: https://laut.fm/
Thank you.
Very good!!
Just select your preferred streams, put them into a
html file and you can play them in any web browser.
For example some oldie streams extracted from the
above links:
http://stream.antenne.com/oldies/mp3-128/radioplayer/
http://edge59.streamonkey.net/oe24-6070er.mp3
https://stream.laut.fm/oldies-1-2-3
!!
For Android there is a simple and add-free radio player.
It reads the stream links from an user generated text file,
so only selected radio stations are displayed.
https://apkpure.net/customradioplayer-basic-url/de.battlestr1k3.radionerd
On Thu, 2/26/2026 2:48 PM, micky wrote:
thanks for the suggestions and encouragement. I will have to work on
this. I like power and I don't mind shells. so I should take advantage
of all this.
Any progress on your Mad Scientist project ?
Paul
I see there is an option to split or not-split recordings. I have it
set to split, but setting it to not-split would probably do what you're talking about. But it would also mean I couldn't delete the songs I do
not like, or the advertising segments,and it would have created a
72-hour mp3 file!!!
On Mon, 23 Feb 2026 23:48:56 -0500, micky wrote:
Really! I will have to check again. I may have been misled because the sort subparamenters don't list unsorted. While TCC/LE lists unsorted as
an option.
In CMD, make sure you don't have any `DIRCMD` environment variable defined, since whatever options it contains, will be used as the default `DIR` command's options.
--So that would make using NTFS a bad idea for me when I need them to be played in date order, oldest first, right?
I was using-FAT 32.
For your case, yes. For FAT-nn, to make sure a directory have the exact physical order of files/subdirectories of your choosing, have an empty destination directory first, then copy/move the files/subdirectories one at
a time from the source directory/directories.
But it's as J. P. Gilliver have asked, is the player really not sort the files before playing them? If it does, then there's nothing you can do.
You may want to experiment with a small number of files using the method previously mentioned.
FYI
Did you know: That no file manager with a GuI will display files in a directory in the order they are written onto the media? And that no
option in CMD will do this either?
(I really don't understand Powershell or its role. Will anything in Powershell do this?)
The only thing I know that will do this is Take Command, TCC or its free version TCC/LE. Hasn't been updated since 2020 or earlier afaict, but
there is no need to update it. It's fantastic. Has many other great enhancements though my 709-yo memory will need some time to think of
them.
One simple one is CD.... where the number of dots minus one indicates
how many directories up you will position yourself.
And dir /o:u will display files in Unsorted order.
Why would physical order matter? I'm sure there are many reasons, but
for me, I wanted a flashdrive with music I like, since no radio station
in Baltimore** plays it and I'm going abroad and certainly no station
there plays 50's and early 60's music. But using Radiomaximus, and I'm
sure other methods, one can play 181.FM Oldies, for free. And there
are amny other genres as well.
I did this several years ago but I can't find the flashdrive I made.
This time it will be even better. So instead of just recording for a ay
and a half, I recorded for 3 days. Got about 1650 files. Sorted alphabetically and got rid of two groups I don't like, and got rid of
the advertisements that they play, not that often but since I can get
rid of them, I did so. (they are easy to spot, 1/10th the size of songs,
plus they all have the same or similar names, names that are not the
names of songs. There were about 240 out of the 1700)
This left 1357. By sorting alphabetically, one sees that ome songs
appea only once, some twice, and many 3 times.
Well, they've taken small steps against my plan by putting a little advertising within the song files, but a small amount compared to what I deleted.
If you use VLC and some other software, it plays them in alphabetical
order, no matter what order they are on the flashdrive. How about that.
But the gizmo I have that plugs into the cigarette lighter and xmit to
the radio plays in the order they exist on the drive. The car I rent
will probably have a usb input, and I don't know what order they will
play in. I've also got a tiny mp3 player that connects with a 1/8"
audio cable. That plays in the order I want.
For some reason, 5 seconds or so of the next song ae in the privious
song's file, so if you don't play them in the original order, all the
songs start 5 seconds in, and end with 5 seconds unrelated to the song
before or the song after.
Then I copied all of them to the flash drive it used whatever order was
in the File Manager (with a gui). But I couldnt tell for sure what order
they were in without TCC/LE and dir /o:u .
On 2/22/2026 3:51 PM, micky wrote:
FYI
Did you know: That no file manager with a GuI will display files in a
directory in the order they are written onto the media? And that no
option in CMD will do this either?
(I really don't understand Powershell or its role. Will anything in
Powershell do this?)
The only thing I know that will do this is Take Command, TCC or its free
version TCC/LE. Hasn't been updated since 2020 or earlier afaict, but
there is no need to update it. It's fantastic. Has many other great
enhancements though my 709-yo memory will need some time to think of
them.
One simple one is CD.... where the number of dots minus one indicates
how many directories up you will position yourself.
And dir /o:u will display files in Unsorted order.
Why would physical order matter? I'm sure there are many reasons, but
for me, I wanted a flashdrive with music I like, since no radio station
in Baltimore** plays it and I'm going abroad and certainly no station
there plays 50's and early 60's music. But using Radiomaximus, and I'm
sure other methods, one can play 181.FM Oldies, for free. And there
are amny other genres as well.
I did this several years ago but I can't find the flashdrive I made.
This time it will be even better. So instead of just recording for a ay
and a half, I recorded for 3 days. Got about 1650 files. Sorted
alphabetically and got rid of two groups I don't like, and got rid of
the advertisements that they play, not that often but since I can get
rid of them, I did so. (they are easy to spot, 1/10th the size of songs,
plus they all have the same or similar names, names that are not the
names of songs. There were about 240 out of the 1700)
This left 1357. By sorting alphabetically, one sees that ome songs
appea only once, some twice, and many 3 times.
Well, they've taken small steps against my plan by putting a little
advertising within the song files, but a small amount compared to what I
deleted.
If you use VLC and some other software, it plays them in alphabetical
order, no matter what order they are on the flashdrive. How about that.
But the gizmo I have that plugs into the cigarette lighter and xmit to
the radio plays in the order they exist on the drive. The car I rent
will probably have a usb input, and I don't know what order they will
play in. I've also got a tiny mp3 player that connects with a 1/8"
audio cable. That plays in the order I want.
For some reason, 5 seconds or so of the next song ae in the privious
song's file, so if you don't play them in the original order, all the
songs start 5 seconds in, and end with 5 seconds unrelated to the song
before or the song after.
Then I copied all of them to the flash drive it used whatever order was
in the File Manager (with a gui). But I couldnt tell for sure what order
they were in without TCC/LE and dir /o:u .
DIR <full path to folder> /O:D
In alt.comp.os.windows-11, on Fri, 27 Feb 2026 16:01:47 -0500, Zaidy036 <Zaidy036@air.isp.spam> wrote:
On 2/22/2026 3:51 PM, micky wrote:
FYI
Did you know: That no file manager with a GuI will display files in a
directory in the order they are written onto the media? And that no
option in CMD will do this either?
(I really don't understand Powershell or its role. Will anything in
Powershell do this?)
The only thing I know that will do this is Take Command, TCC or its free >>> version TCC/LE. Hasn't been updated since 2020 or earlier afaict, but
there is no need to update it. It's fantastic. Has many other great
enhancements though my 709-yo memory will need some time to think of
them.
One simple one is CD.... where the number of dots minus one indicates >>> how many directories up you will position yourself.
And dir /o:u will display files in Unsorted order.
Why would physical order matter? I'm sure there are many reasons, but
for me, I wanted a flashdrive with music I like, since no radio station
in Baltimore** plays it and I'm going abroad and certainly no station
there plays 50's and early 60's music. But using Radiomaximus, and I'm
sure other methods, one can play 181.FM Oldies, for free. And there
are amny other genres as well.
I did this several years ago but I can't find the flashdrive I made.
This time it will be even better. So instead of just recording for a ay
and a half, I recorded for 3 days. Got about 1650 files. Sorted
alphabetically and got rid of two groups I don't like, and got rid of
the advertisements that they play, not that often but since I can get
rid of them, I did so. (they are easy to spot, 1/10th the size of songs, >>> plus they all have the same or similar names, names that are not the
names of songs. There were about 240 out of the 1700)
This left 1357. By sorting alphabetically, one sees that ome songs
appea only once, some twice, and many 3 times.
Well, they've taken small steps against my plan by putting a little
advertising within the song files, but a small amount compared to what I >>> deleted.
If you use VLC and some other software, it plays them in alphabetical
order, no matter what order they are on the flashdrive. How about that. >>> But the gizmo I have that plugs into the cigarette lighter and xmit to
the radio plays in the order they exist on the drive. The car I rent
will probably have a usb input, and I don't know what order they will
play in. I've also got a tiny mp3 player that connects with a 1/8"
audio cable. That plays in the order I want.
For some reason, 5 seconds or so of the next song ae in the privious
song's file, so if you don't play them in the original order, all the
songs start 5 seconds in, and end with 5 seconds unrelated to the song
before or the song after.
Then I copied all of them to the flash drive it used whatever order was
in the File Manager (with a gui). But I couldnt tell for sure what order >>> they were in without TCC/LE and dir /o:u .
DIR <full path to folder> /O:D
Well, the goal is to have the files on the drive with the oldest first,
but wadr, the command above will display the oldest first, regardless of
what order they are actually in.
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