• Re: W12 rumor

    From The Horny Goat@lcraver@home.ca to alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Thu Feb 12 00:12:58 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-11

    On Wed, 14 Jan 2026 14:37:50 -0600, VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> wrote:

    Looks like for the end-user that either they get Windows 12 Home bundled
    in a pre-built computer, or they buy Windows 12 at a one-time cost.
    Same model as now. Pro might to subscriptions, or the Pro edition fades
    away and replaced by MS 365 which includes Windows 12, and MS 365
    packages have been subscriptionware for a long time.

    I strongly dislike subscriptions which is why I'm still using MS
    Office 2010 (which was around the time Microsoft introduced the
    subscription Office 365)
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  • From =?UTF-8?B?Li4ud8Khw7HCp8KxwqTDsSA=?=@winstonmvp@gmail.com to alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Thu Feb 12 02:24:15 2026
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    The Horny Goat wrote on 2/12/2026 1:12 AM:
    On Wed, 14 Jan 2026 14:37:50 -0600, VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> wrote:

    Looks like for the end-user that either they get Windows 12 Home bundled
    in a pre-built computer, or they buy Windows 12 at a one-time cost.
    Same model as now. Pro might to subscriptions, or the Pro edition fades
    away and replaced by MS 365 which includes Windows 12, and MS 365
    packages have been subscriptionware for a long time.

    I strongly dislike subscriptions which is why I'm still using MS
    Office 2010 (which was around the time Microsoft introduced the
    subscription Office 365)


    Subscription release history by respective year:

    2010 Office 365 released for Enterprise market

    2013 Office 365 released for Consumer market
    - first subscription model for consumers(single and multi-user)

    2017 Microsoft 365 released for Enterprise market(combo Office 365 +
    Windows Enterprise)

    2020 Office 365 products rebranded as Microsoft 365

    2023 All Office products rebranded as Microsoft 365
    - except perpetual license Office suites
    => MSFT Office 2021 Home and Student/Business,Professional
    => MSFT Office 2024 Home and Student/Business
    => Office 2024 LTSC(Volume license, commercial/gov)
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  • From s|b@me@privacy.invalid to alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Thu Feb 12 17:20:14 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-11

    On Thu, 12 Feb 2026 00:12:58 -0800, The Horny Goat wrote:

    I strongly dislike subscriptions which is why I'm still using MS
    Office 2010 (which was around the time Microsoft introduced the
    subscription Office 365)

    I switched to LibreOffice a long time ago.
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    s|b
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  • From Daniel70@daniel47@nomail.afraid.org to alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Fri Feb 13 19:33:22 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-11

    On 13/02/2026 3:20 am, s|b wrote:
    On Thu, 12 Feb 2026 00:12:58 -0800, The Horny Goat wrote:

    I strongly dislike subscriptions which is why I'm still using MS
    Office 2010 (which was around the time Microsoft introduced the
    subscription Office 365)

    I switched to LibreOffice a long time ago.

    Back when I was in the Aust Army (80s/90s), the Army or Defence had a
    deal with, I think, Lotus whereby everybody that wanted it could use the
    Lotus Office Suite gratis!! In the Army Office and/or at home.

    Since then, I've used Linux a lot so no MSOffice, so I've switched to LibreOffice.
    --
    Daniel70
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  • From s|b@me@privacy.invalid to alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Sun Feb 15 18:54:46 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-11

    On Fri, 13 Feb 2026 19:33:22 +1100, Daniel70 wrote:

    Back when I was in the Aust Army (80s/90s), the Army or Defence had a
    deal with, I think, Lotus whereby everybody that wanted it could use the Lotus Office Suite gratis!! In the Army Office and/or at home.

    There is no such thing as gratis; that's how they drag you in. (-;

    Since then, I've used Linux a lot so no MSOffice, so I've switched to LibreOffice.

    I didn't want to pay for M$ Office or use a cracked version, so I
    switched to Open Office and then LibreOffice. My mother, sister and aunt
    all use it (I didn't give them a choice :-).
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    s|b
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  • From Mr. Man-wai Chang@toylet.toylet@gmail.com to alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Mon Feb 16 13:06:41 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-11

    On 2/13/2026 4:33 PM, Daniel70 wrote:

    Back when I was in the Aust Army (80s/90s), the Army or Defence had a
    deal with, I think, Lotus whereby everybody that wanted it could use the Lotus Office Suite gratis!! In the Army Office and/or at home.

    Since then, I've used Linux a lot so no MSOffice, so I've switched to LibreOffice.

    I barely remember a piece of news about German government trying to
    switch to Linux and then rolled back to Windows. :)
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  • From Daniel70@daniel47@nomail.afraid.org to alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Mon Feb 16 20:04:30 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-11

    On 16/02/2026 4:54 am, s|b wrote:
    On Fri, 13 Feb 2026 19:33:22 +1100, Daniel70 wrote:

    Back when I was in the Aust Army (80s/90s), the Army or Defence had a
    deal with, I think, Lotus whereby everybody that wanted it could use the
    Lotus Office Suite gratis!! In the Army Office and/or at home.

    There is no such thing as gratis; that's how they drag you in. (-;

    What's the saying "If you get something for free, then YOU are the
    product!!"

    Since then, I've used Linux a lot so no MSOffice, so I've switched to
    LibreOffice.

    I didn't want to pay for M$ Office or use a cracked version, so I
    switched to Open Office and then LibreOffice. My mother, sister and aunt
    all use it (I didn't give them a choice :-).

    OpenOffice ... that's another one I've used along the way.
    --
    Daniel70
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  • From Paul@nospam@needed.invalid to alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Mon Feb 16 04:30:24 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-11

    On Mon, 2/16/2026 12:06 AM, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
    On 2/13/2026 4:33 PM, Daniel70 wrote:

    Back when I was in the Aust Army (80s/90s), the Army or Defence had a
    deal with, I think, Lotus whereby everybody that wanted it could use the
    Lotus Office Suite gratis!! In the Army Office and/or at home.

    Since then, I've used Linux a lot so no MSOffice, so I've switched to
    LibreOffice.

    I barely remember a piece of news about German government trying to switch to Linux and then rolled back to Windows. :)


    This is a bit better than the summary on Wikipedia right now.

    https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2024/04/german-state-gov-ditching-windows-for-linux-30k-workers-migrating/

    The transition to Linux means more interworking software is needed
    to patch things together. And some of the transitions were done,
    before LibreOffice had made as much progress as it claims today.

    It's no different than companies which had legacy applications
    they were still using, which created a "win32 dependency" on these choices.

    As for the typical employee, they're not IT people, they don't
    have years of experience bodging things, and while Linux
    has a browser and Office look-alikes, that's not sufficient for
    governments who have to share things with the public, and the output
    has to mesh with a lot of different things.

    Our city for example, is goofing around with taking pictures of
    streets from moving cars, and from those pictures, extracting
    maintenance data. This would be in addition to the GEO system,
    where every pipe and wire is documented in a CAD-like system.
    That's how, when the water truck went up the street several
    days ago, they know *exactly* where my water cutoff valve is.
    Even though it is covered in snow banks, an individual with a shovel
    can find the valve with relatively little difficulty. They're all
    the time drawing colored lines on stuff, as part of "call before
    you dig" and proper labeling of dangerous things, like using
    a backhoe near a natural gas line. They're going to fiddle the
    drainage in my neighborhood when spring comes, so I'm to be covered
    in six colors of muck :-)

    So while cities may appear to be "boring collectors of taxes",
    they have a fair amount of technology that requires
    integration of parts. Maybe a city employee holding a cellphone
    in hand, can be directed to the spot to dig while using
    the cellphone for the coordinates. And that's all possible
    because a number of pieces of third-party softwares work
    together to make it possible.

    And that means there is more than Windows involved. There could be
    Android apps, and also a lot of web-based content.

    Cities and their IT departments, can also be sources of influence
    peddling, and the employees profiting from the purchase of equipment.
    Toronto had a case like that, but I do not recollect the details.
    A lot of money can be squandered for nothing, with no one understanding
    why or how the money was spent. Even when cities have plans and
    focused ideas on execution, the execution can be thwarted by the
    city employees who are supposed to implement it.

    Paul
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  • From Carlos E. R.@robin_listas@es.invalid to alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Mon Feb 16 12:40:38 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-11

    On 2026-02-16 10:30, Paul wrote:
    On Mon, 2/16/2026 12:06 AM, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
    On 2/13/2026 4:33 PM, Daniel70 wrote:

    ...

    Our city for example, is goofing around with taking pictures of
    streets from moving cars, and from those pictures, extracting
    maintenance data.

    I know of a chapt that works for a company that does something similar
    with roads. And they use Linux.
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    Cheers,
    Carlos E.R.
    ESEfc-Efc+, EUEfc-Efc|;
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  • From knuttle@keith_nuttle@yahoo.com to alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Mon Feb 16 07:25:52 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-11

    On 02/16/2026 4:04 AM, Daniel70 wrote:
    On 16/02/2026 4:54 am, s|b wrote:
    On Fri, 13 Feb 2026 19:33:22 +1100, Daniel70 wrote:

    Back when I was in the Aust Army (80s/90s), the Army or Defence had a
    deal with, I think, Lotus whereby everybody that wanted it could use the >>> Lotus Office Suite gratis!! In the Army Office and/or at home.

    There is no such thing as gratis; that's how they drag you in. (-;

    What's the saying "If you get something for free, then YOU are the product!!"

    Since then, I've used Linux a lot so no MSOffice, so I've switched to
    LibreOffice.

    I didn't want to pay for M$ Office or use a cracked version, so I
    switched to Open Office and then LibreOffice. My mother, sister and aunt
    all use it (I didn't give them a choice :-).

    OpenOffice ... that's another one I've used along the way.
    No; what he was saying is that he got tired of the MS Office BS. The
    main things I like about LibreOffice are:

    1. It updates and installs in a much shorter time the MS. I can update LibreOffice in a couple of minutes while at the computer. With MS
    Office I usually started the upgrade and then went to work on something
    else for the many minutes it took to download and install the update.

    2. The Help really provides help, in that it shows you where the
    function that you want is located in the menu, rather than doing if for
    you. For one time it is nice to have an active link to a function from
    Help, but when you are not told where it is to be found in the menu, you
    have to do multiple Help searches, or spend time doing the google
    research to find the locations

    3. The menus in LibreOffice are much easier to navigate. You can access
    nearly any function in the menu with about three clicks. One to select
    the the folder, one to access the function, and maybe a third to select
    an option. Each function is identified by a simple word

    With MS Office you have to puzzled out the glyph that represents the
    function among many that look similar after scrolling through the menu.

    4. For my use it is completely compatible with the programs that I use.

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  • From Joerg Walther@joerg.walther@magenta.de to alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Mon Feb 16 17:12:20 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-11

    Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:

    I barely remember a piece of news about German government trying to
    switch to Linux and then rolled back to Windows. :)

    It was only the city council of Munich and they rolled back mainly
    because of lobbyism.

    -jw-
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  • From Carlos E. R.@robin_listas@es.invalid to alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Mon Feb 16 17:32:31 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-11

    On 2026-02-16 17:12, Joerg Walther wrote:
    Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:

    I barely remember a piece of news about German government trying to
    switch to Linux and then rolled back to Windows. :)

    It was only the city council of Munich and they rolled back mainly
    because of lobbyism.

    And later other cities elsewhere tried as well.
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    Carlos E.R.
    ESEfc-Efc+, EUEfc-Efc|;
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