I believe that ethical principles are real and exist. And that when >discovered and adopted by the human person, they are given meaning
through his relationship to and interaction with the universe that
surrounds him. Right-action is recognizable by the individual.
As such, all ethical systems ultimately are human / universe centered,
not state / system centered.
Systems of control are built on a foundation that says the governing
power decides what is right and good.
This removes agency from the--
person, making certain choices unavailable and therefore outside the
field of voluntary ethics.
The more a system relies on control, the more it restricts the actions
that individuals have available. As mandates increase, voluntary action
is pushed out. As control is increased, human choice is decreased, and
the system loses ethics as a structural principle.
Without a underlying ethical structure outside of the system of control >there is no truth or foundation for meaning that is able to transcend
human made structures. Eventually the ethical principles become
forgotten and there is nothing beyond "because we say so".
This is why authoritarian systems become brittle and fail.
Free choice is messy and disorderly. People make mistakes. But by
allowing human beings to decide, the best ethics will rise to the top.
This happens because people who are ethical are following what we call >natural law. Following natural law by definition leads to better outcomes.
Allowing people to make mistakes also allows them to make unorthodox >choices. These sometimes produce surprisingly good results, outcomes
which would never have been allowed under a control system.
And this is why people who gather together agreeing to place voluntary >cooperation as a high ideal create the most durable society.
I believe that ethical principles are real and exist. And that when discovered and adopted by the human person, they are given meaning
through his relationship to and interaction with the universe that
surrounds him. Right-action is recognizable by the individual.
As such, all ethical systems ultimately are human / universe centered,
not state / system centered.
Systems of control are built on a foundation that says the governing
power decides what is right and good. This removes agency from the
person, making certain choices unavailable and therefore outside the
field of voluntary ethics.
The more a system relies on control, the more it restricts the actions--
that individuals have available. As mandates increase, voluntary action
is pushed out. As control is increased, human choice is decreased, and
the system loses ethics as a structural principle.
Without a underlying ethical structure outside of the system of control there is no truth or foundation for meaning that is able to transcend
human made structures. Eventually the ethical principles become
forgotten and there is nothing beyond "because we say so".
This is why authoritarian systems become brittle and fail.
Free choice is messy and disorderly. People make mistakes. But by
allowing human beings to decide, the best ethics will rise to the top.
This happens because people who are ethical are following what we call natural law. Following natural law by definition leads to better outcomes.
Allowing people to make mistakes also allows them to make unorthodox choices. These sometimes produce surprisingly good results, outcomes
which would never have been allowed under a control system.
And this is why people who gather together agreeing to place voluntary cooperation as a high ideal create the most durable society.
On 3/1/2026 4:29 PM, dart200 wrote:
On 3/1/26 3:18 PM, Wilson wrote:States are property. Have you heard of states rights? How about the word "union"?
I believe that ethical principles are real and exist. And that when
discovered and adopted by the human person, they are given meaning
through his relationship to and interaction with the universe that
surrounds him. Right-action is recognizable by the individual.
As such, all ethical systems ultimately are human / universe
centered, not state / system centered.
Systems of control are built on a foundation that says the governing
power decides what is right and good. This removes agency from the
person, making certain choices unavailable and therefore outside the
field of voluntary ethics.
great lets stop using states to enforce property rights! EfyU
The more a system relies on control, the more it restricts the
actions that individuals have available. As mandates increase,
voluntary action is pushed out. As control is increased, human choice
is decreased, and the system loses ethics as a structural principle.
Without a underlying ethical structure outside of the system of
control there is no truth or foundation for meaning that is able to
transcend human made structures. Eventually the ethical principles
become forgotten and there is nothing beyond "because we say so".
This is why authoritarian systems become brittle and fail.
Free choice is messy and disorderly. People make mistakes. But by
allowing human beings to decide, the best ethics will rise to the top.
This happens because people who are ethical are following what we
call natural law. Following natural law by definition leads to better
outcomes.
Allowing people to make mistakes also allows them to make unorthodox
choices. These sometimes produce surprisingly good results, outcomes
which would never have been allowed under a control system.
And this is why people who gather together agreeing to place
voluntary cooperation as a high ideal create the most durable society.
On 3/2/26 9:14 AM, Dude wrote:
On 3/1/2026 4:29 PM, dart200 wrote:
On 3/1/26 3:18 PM, Wilson wrote:States are property. Have you heard of states rights? How about the
I believe that ethical principles are real and exist. And that when
discovered and adopted by the human person, they are given meaning
through his relationship to and interaction with the universe that
surrounds him. Right-action is recognizable by the individual.
As such, all ethical systems ultimately are human / universe
centered, not state / system centered.
Systems of control are built on a foundation that says the governing
power decides what is right and good. This removes agency from the
person, making certain choices unavailable and therefore outside the
field of voluntary ethics.
great lets stop using states to enforce property rights! EfyU
word "union"?
dude: the fool who speaks because he must
On 3/2/2026 4:02 PM, dart200 wrote:
On 3/2/26 9:14 AM, Dude wrote:Because shut up.
On 3/1/2026 4:29 PM, dart200 wrote:
On 3/1/26 3:18 PM, Wilson wrote:States are property. Have you heard of states rights? How about the
I believe that ethical principles are real and exist. And that when >>>>> discovered and adopted by the human person, they are given meaning
through his relationship to and interaction with the universe that
surrounds him. Right-action is recognizable by the individual.
As such, all ethical systems ultimately are human / universe
centered, not state / system centered.
Systems of control are built on a foundation that says the
governing power decides what is right and good. This removes agency >>>>> from the person, making certain choices unavailable and therefore
outside the field of voluntary ethics.
great lets stop using states to enforce property rights! EfyU
word "union"?
dude: the fool who speaks because he must
In my view view, individual property ownership is an absolute,
foundational human right. Self-ownership is the idea that you own your
body, mind, and labor,-a which extends to the fruits of their labor.
Property rights are essential for peace, prosperity, and preventing coercion, so you are secure in your person and belongings. The right to property is indispensable to a free society.
On 3/1/26 3:18 PM, Wilson wrote:
I believe that ethical principles are real and exist. And that when
discovered and adopted by the human person, they are given meaning
through his relationship to and interaction with the universe that
surrounds him. Right-action is recognizable by the individual.
As such, all ethical systems ultimately are human / universe centered,
not state / system centered.
Systems of control are built on a foundation that says the governing
power decides what is right and good. This removes agency from the
person, making certain choices unavailable and therefore outside the
field of voluntary ethics.
great lets stop using states to enforce property rights! EfyU
The more a system relies on control, the more it restricts the actions
that individuals have available. As mandates increase, voluntary
action is pushed out. As control is increased, human choice is
decreased, and the system loses ethics as a structural principle.
Without a underlying ethical structure outside of the system of
control there is no truth or foundation for meaning that is able to
transcend human made structures. Eventually the ethical principles
become forgotten and there is nothing beyond "because we say so".
This is why authoritarian systems become brittle and fail.
Free choice is messy and disorderly. People make mistakes. But by
allowing human beings to decide, the best ethics will rise to the top.
This happens because people who are ethical are following what we call
natural law. Following natural law by definition leads to better
outcomes.
Allowing people to make mistakes also allows them to make unorthodox
choices. These sometimes produce surprisingly good results, outcomes
which would never have been allowed under a control system.
And this is why people who gather together agreeing to place voluntary
cooperation as a high ideal create the most durable society.
On 3/2/26 8:24 PM, Dude wrote:
On 3/2/2026 4:02 PM, dart200 wrote:
On 3/2/26 9:14 AM, Dude wrote:Because shut up.
On 3/1/2026 4:29 PM, dart200 wrote:
On 3/1/26 3:18 PM, Wilson wrote:States are property. Have you heard of states rights? How about the
I believe that ethical principles are real and exist. And that
when discovered and adopted by the human person, they are given
meaning through his relationship to and interaction with the
universe that surrounds him. Right-action is recognizable by the
individual.
As such, all ethical systems ultimately are human / universe
centered, not state / system centered.
Systems of control are built on a foundation that says the
governing power decides what is right and good. This removes
agency from the person, making certain choices unavailable and
therefore outside the field of voluntary ethics.
great lets stop using states to enforce property rights! EfyU
word "union"?
dude: the fool who speaks because he must
In my view view, individual property ownership is an absolute,
foundational human right. Self-ownership is the idea that you own your
body, mind, and labor,-a which extends to the fruits of their labor.
u don't get automatic claim to land/resources just because u did labor
with it. i don't see the necessary implication there besides simple
greed and narcissism
u can take ur ideal to the grave dude, that's all it's good for
Property rights are essential for peace, prosperity, and preventing
coercion, so you are secure in your person and belongings. The right
to property is indispensable to a free society.
-a > hard disagree
-a >
-a > #god
On 3/3/2026 1:25 AM, dart200 wrote:
On 3/2/26 8:24 PM, Dude wrote:
On 3/2/2026 4:02 PM, dart200 wrote:
On 3/2/26 9:14 AM, Dude wrote:Because shut up.
On 3/1/2026 4:29 PM, dart200 wrote:
On 3/1/26 3:18 PM, Wilson wrote:States are property. Have you heard of states rights? How about the >>>>> word "union"?
I believe that ethical principles are real and exist. And that
when discovered and adopted by the human person, they are given >>>>>>> meaning through his relationship to and interaction with the
universe that surrounds him. Right-action is recognizable by the >>>>>>> individual.
As such, all ethical systems ultimately are human / universe
centered, not state / system centered.
Systems of control are built on a foundation that says the
governing power decides what is right and good. This removes
agency from the person, making certain choices unavailable and
therefore outside the field of voluntary ethics.
great lets stop using states to enforce property rights! ?
dude: the fool who speaks because he must
In my view view, individual property ownership is an absolute,
foundational human right. Self-ownership is the idea that you own your
body, mind, and labor,a which extends to the fruits of their labor.
u don't get automatic claim to land/resources just because u did labor
with it. i don't see the necessary implication there besides simple
greed and narcissism
u can take ur ideal to the grave dude, that's all it's good for
Property rights are essential for peace, prosperity, and preventing
coercion, so you are secure in your person and belongings. The right
to property is indispensable to a free society.
a > hard disagree
a >
a > #god
Without benefit, why would I labor?
On Tue, 3 Mar 2026 11:34:11 -0500, Wilson <Wilson@nowhere.invalid>
wrote:
On 3/3/2026 1:25 AM, dart200 wrote:
On 3/2/26 8:24 PM, Dude wrote:
On 3/2/2026 4:02 PM, dart200 wrote:
On 3/2/26 9:14 AM, Dude wrote:Because shut up.
On 3/1/2026 4:29 PM, dart200 wrote:
On 3/1/26 3:18 PM, Wilson wrote:States are property. Have you heard of states rights? How about the >>>>>> word "union"?
I believe that ethical principles are real and exist. And that >>>>>>>> when discovered and adopted by the human person, they are given >>>>>>>> meaning through his relationship to and interaction with the
universe that surrounds him. Right-action is recognizable by the >>>>>>>> individual.
As such, all ethical systems ultimately are human / universe
centered, not state / system centered.
Systems of control are built on a foundation that says the
governing power decides what is right and good. This removes
agency from the person, making certain choices unavailable and >>>>>>>> therefore outside the field of voluntary ethics.
great lets stop using states to enforce property rights! ?
dude: the fool who speaks because he must
In my view view, individual property ownership is an absolute,
foundational human right. Self-ownership is the idea that you own your >>>> body, mind, and labor,-a which extends to the fruits of their labor.
u don't get automatic claim to land/resources just because u did labor
with it. i don't see the necessary implication there besides simple
greed and narcissism
u can take ur ideal to the grave dude, that's all it's good for
Property rights are essential for peace, prosperity, and preventing
coercion, so you are secure in your person and belongings. The right
to property is indispensable to a free society.
-a > hard disagree
-a >
-a > #god
Without benefit, why would I labor?
Because you are hungry
Because your wife and kids depend on you, and you love them
Because you simply must find something to do with yourself and every
retiree learns.
Exactly like the street beggars in india or central america. Because
they wish to walk the earth and not lie beneath it.
On 3/3/2026 11:48 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Tue, 3 Mar 2026 11:34:11 -0500, Wilson <Wilson@nowhere.invalid>
wrote:
On 3/3/2026 1:25 AM, dart200 wrote:
On 3/2/26 8:24 PM, Dude wrote:
On 3/2/2026 4:02 PM, dart200 wrote:
On 3/2/26 9:14 AM, Dude wrote:Because shut up.
On 3/1/2026 4:29 PM, dart200 wrote:
On 3/1/26 3:18 PM, Wilson wrote:States are property. Have you heard of states rights? How about the >>>>>>> word "union"?
I believe that ethical principles are real and exist. And that >>>>>>>>> when discovered and adopted by the human person, they are given >>>>>>>>> meaning through his relationship to and interaction with the >>>>>>>>> universe that surrounds him. Right-action is recognizable by the >>>>>>>>> individual.
As such, all ethical systems ultimately are human / universe >>>>>>>>> centered, not state / system centered.
Systems of control are built on a foundation that says the
governing power decides what is right and good. This removes >>>>>>>>> agency from the person, making certain choices unavailable and >>>>>>>>> therefore outside the field of voluntary ethics.
great lets stop using states to enforce property rights! ?
dude: the fool who speaks because he must
In my view view, individual property ownership is an absolute,
foundational human right. Self-ownership is the idea that you own your >>>>> body, mind, and labor,-a which extends to the fruits of their labor.
u don't get automatic claim to land/resources just because u did labor >>>> with it. i don't see the necessary implication there besides simple
greed and narcissism
u can take ur ideal to the grave dude, that's all it's good for
Property rights are essential for peace, prosperity, and preventing
coercion, so you are secure in your person and belongings. The right >>>>> to property is indispensable to a free society.
-a -a > hard disagree
-a -a >
-a -a > #god
Without benefit, why would I labor?
Because you are hungry
Because your wife and kids depend on you, and you love them
Because you simply must find something to do with yourself and every
retiree learns.
Exactly like the street beggars in india or central america.-a Because
they wish to walk the earth and not lie beneath it.
Those are all benefits.
On 3/3/2026 11:48 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Tue, 3 Mar 2026 11:34:11 -0500, Wilson <Wilson@nowhere.invalid>
wrote:
On 3/3/2026 1:25 AM, dart200 wrote:
On 3/2/26 8:24 PM, Dude wrote:
On 3/2/2026 4:02 PM, dart200 wrote:
On 3/2/26 9:14 AM, Dude wrote:Because shut up.
On 3/1/2026 4:29 PM, dart200 wrote:
On 3/1/26 3:18 PM, Wilson wrote:States are property. Have you heard of states rights? How about the >>>>>>> word "union"?
I believe that ethical principles are real and exist. And that >>>>>>>>> when discovered and adopted by the human person, they are given >>>>>>>>> meaning through his relationship to and interaction with the >>>>>>>>> universe that surrounds him. Right-action is recognizable by the >>>>>>>>> individual.
As such, all ethical systems ultimately are human / universe >>>>>>>>> centered, not state / system centered.
Systems of control are built on a foundation that says the
governing power decides what is right and good. This removes >>>>>>>>> agency from the person, making certain choices unavailable and >>>>>>>>> therefore outside the field of voluntary ethics.
great lets stop using states to enforce property rights! ?
dude: the fool who speaks because he must
In my view view, individual property ownership is an absolute,
foundational human right. Self-ownership is the idea that you own your >>>>> body, mind, and labor,a which extends to the fruits of their labor.
u don't get automatic claim to land/resources just because u did labor >>>> with it. i don't see the necessary implication there besides simple
greed and narcissism
u can take ur ideal to the grave dude, that's all it's good for
Property rights are essential for peace, prosperity, and preventing
coercion, so you are secure in your person and belongings. The right >>>>> to property is indispensable to a free society.
a > hard disagree
a >
a > #god
Without benefit, why would I labor?
Because you are hungry
Because your wife and kids depend on you, and you love them
Because you simply must find something to do with yourself as every
retiree learns.
Exactly like the street beggars in india or central america. Because
they wish to walk the earth and not lie beneath it.
Those are all benefits.
On 3/3/2026 9:01 AM, Wilson wrote:
On 3/3/2026 11:48 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:A person has certain innate rights by just being born human.
On Tue, 3 Mar 2026 11:34:11 -0500, Wilson <Wilson@nowhere.invalid>
wrote:
On 3/3/2026 1:25 AM, dart200 wrote:
On 3/2/26 8:24 PM, Dude wrote:
On 3/2/2026 4:02 PM, dart200 wrote:u don't get automatic claim to land/resources just because u did labor >>>>> with it. i don't see the necessary implication there besides simple
On 3/2/26 9:14 AM, Dude wrote:Because shut up.
On 3/1/2026 4:29 PM, dart200 wrote:
On 3/1/26 3:18 PM, Wilson wrote:States are property. Have you heard of states rights? How about the >>>>>>>> word "union"?
I believe that ethical principles are real and exist. And that >>>>>>>>>> when discovered and adopted by the human person, they are given >>>>>>>>>> meaning through his relationship to and interaction with the >>>>>>>>>> universe that surrounds him. Right-action is recognizable by the >>>>>>>>>> individual.
As such, all ethical systems ultimately are human / universe >>>>>>>>>> centered, not state / system centered.
Systems of control are built on a foundation that says the >>>>>>>>>> governing power decides what is right and good. This removes >>>>>>>>>> agency from the person, making certain choices unavailable and >>>>>>>>>> therefore outside the field of voluntary ethics.
great lets stop using states to enforce property rights! ?
dude: the fool who speaks because he must
In my view view, individual property ownership is an absolute,
foundational human right. Self-ownership is the idea that you own your >>>>>> body, mind, and labor,a which extends to the fruits of their labor. >>>>>
greed and narcissism
u can take ur ideal to the grave dude, that's all it's good for
Property rights are essential for peace, prosperity, and preventing >>>>>> coercion, so you are secure in your person and belongings. The right >>>>>> to property is indispensable to a free society.
a a > hard disagree
a a >
a a > #god
Without benefit, why would I labor?
Because you are hungry
Because your wife and kids depend on you, and you love them
Because you simply must find something to do with yourself and every
retiree learns.
Exactly like the street beggars in india or central america.a Because
they wish to walk the earth and not lie beneath it.
Those are all benefits.
It's not complicated. We studied this in 5th grade. Civics 101 Human
Rights Chapter 1
Anyone who improves property gets the fruit of their labor.
It's a basic human right, because without a place to be secure, you are
not able to defend your rights to even life.
This basic foundation of Western civilization. It is a fact that is self >evident and inalienable, unless you die, and then that's another story.
God created Adam and Eve and gave to them the Garden of Eden and told
them to go forth and multiply.
He did not intend for Man to be a slave on a fruit farm!
On Tue, 3 Mar 2026 12:01:47 -0500, Wilson <Wilson@nowhere.invalid>
wrote:
On 3/3/2026 11:48 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Tue, 3 Mar 2026 11:34:11 -0500, Wilson <Wilson@nowhere.invalid>
wrote:
On 3/3/2026 1:25 AM, dart200 wrote:
On 3/2/26 8:24 PM, Dude wrote:
On 3/2/2026 4:02 PM, dart200 wrote:u don't get automatic claim to land/resources just because u did labor >>>>> with it. i don't see the necessary implication there besides simple
On 3/2/26 9:14 AM, Dude wrote:Because shut up.
On 3/1/2026 4:29 PM, dart200 wrote:
On 3/1/26 3:18 PM, Wilson wrote:States are property. Have you heard of states rights? How about the >>>>>>>> word "union"?
I believe that ethical principles are real and exist. And that >>>>>>>>>> when discovered and adopted by the human person, they are given >>>>>>>>>> meaning through his relationship to and interaction with the >>>>>>>>>> universe that surrounds him. Right-action is recognizable by the >>>>>>>>>> individual.
As such, all ethical systems ultimately are human / universe >>>>>>>>>> centered, not state / system centered.
Systems of control are built on a foundation that says the >>>>>>>>>> governing power decides what is right and good. This removes >>>>>>>>>> agency from the person, making certain choices unavailable and >>>>>>>>>> therefore outside the field of voluntary ethics.
great lets stop using states to enforce property rights! ?
dude: the fool who speaks because he must
In my view view, individual property ownership is an absolute,
foundational human right. Self-ownership is the idea that you own your >>>>>> body, mind, and labor,-a which extends to the fruits of their labor. >>>>>
greed and narcissism
u can take ur ideal to the grave dude, that's all it's good for
Property rights are essential for peace, prosperity, and preventing >>>>>> coercion, so you are secure in your person and belongings. The right >>>>>> to property is indispensable to a free society.
-a > hard disagree
-a >
-a > #god
Without benefit, why would I labor?
Because you are hungry
Because your wife and kids depend on you, and you love them
Because you simply must find something to do with yourself as every
retiree learns.
Exactly like the street beggars in india or central america. Because
they wish to walk the earth and not lie beneath it.
Those are all benefits.
So your question above is really nonsense, right?
On 3/3/2026 1:02 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Tue, 3 Mar 2026 12:01:47 -0500, Wilson <Wilson@nowhere.invalid>
wrote:
On 3/3/2026 11:48 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Tue, 3 Mar 2026 11:34:11 -0500, Wilson <Wilson@nowhere.invalid>
wrote:
On 3/3/2026 1:25 AM, dart200 wrote:
On 3/2/26 8:24 PM, Dude wrote:
On 3/2/2026 4:02 PM, dart200 wrote:u don't get automatic claim to land/resources just because u did labor >>>>>> with it. i don't see the necessary implication there besides simple >>>>>> greed and narcissism
On 3/2/26 9:14 AM, Dude wrote:Because shut up.
On 3/1/2026 4:29 PM, dart200 wrote:
On 3/1/26 3:18 PM, Wilson wrote:States are property. Have you heard of states rights? How about the >>>>>>>>> word "union"?
I believe that ethical principles are real and exist. And that >>>>>>>>>>> when discovered and adopted by the human person, they are given >>>>>>>>>>> meaning through his relationship to and interaction with the >>>>>>>>>>> universe that surrounds him. Right-action is recognizable by the >>>>>>>>>>> individual.
As such, all ethical systems ultimately are human / universe >>>>>>>>>>> centered, not state / system centered.
Systems of control are built on a foundation that says the >>>>>>>>>>> governing power decides what is right and good. This removes >>>>>>>>>>> agency from the person, making certain choices unavailable and >>>>>>>>>>> therefore outside the field of voluntary ethics.
great lets stop using states to enforce property rights! ? >>>>>>>>>>
dude: the fool who speaks because he must
In my view view, individual property ownership is an absolute,
foundational human right. Self-ownership is the idea that you own your >>>>>>> body, mind, and labor,a which extends to the fruits of their labor. >>>>>>
u can take ur ideal to the grave dude, that's all it's good for
Property rights are essential for peace, prosperity, and preventing >>>>>>> coercion, so you are secure in your person and belongings. The right >>>>>>> to property is indispensable to a free society.
a > hard disagree
a >
a > #god
Without benefit, why would I labor?
Because you are hungry
Because your wife and kids depend on you, and you love them
Because you simply must find something to do with yourself as every
retiree learns.
Exactly like the street beggars in india or central america. Because
they wish to walk the earth and not lie beneath it.
Those are all benefits.
So your question above is really nonsense, right?
Property rights are human rights.
Mandated labor without compensation is slavery.
If I purchase property from someone who freely agreed to sell it to me, >taking it against my will is theft.
These are all simple facts that only an educated idiot would disagree with.
On Tue, 3 Mar 2026 13:38:29 -0500, Wilson <Wilson@nowhere.invalid>
wrote:
On 3/3/2026 1:02 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Tue, 3 Mar 2026 12:01:47 -0500, Wilson <Wilson@nowhere.invalid>
wrote:
On 3/3/2026 11:48 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Tue, 3 Mar 2026 11:34:11 -0500, Wilson <Wilson@nowhere.invalid>
wrote:
On 3/3/2026 1:25 AM, dart200 wrote:
On 3/2/26 8:24 PM, Dude wrote:
On 3/2/2026 4:02 PM, dart200 wrote:u don't get automatic claim to land/resources just because u did labor >>>>>>> with it. i don't see the necessary implication there besides simple >>>>>>> greed and narcissism
On 3/2/26 9:14 AM, Dude wrote:Because shut up.
On 3/1/2026 4:29 PM, dart200 wrote:
On 3/1/26 3:18 PM, Wilson wrote:States are property. Have you heard of states rights? How about the >>>>>>>>>> word "union"?
I believe that ethical principles are real and exist. And that >>>>>>>>>>>> when discovered and adopted by the human person, they are given >>>>>>>>>>>> meaning through his relationship to and interaction with the >>>>>>>>>>>> universe that surrounds him. Right-action is recognizable by the >>>>>>>>>>>> individual.
As such, all ethical systems ultimately are human / universe >>>>>>>>>>>> centered, not state / system centered.
Systems of control are built on a foundation that says the >>>>>>>>>>>> governing power decides what is right and good. This removes >>>>>>>>>>>> agency from the person, making certain choices unavailable and >>>>>>>>>>>> therefore outside the field of voluntary ethics.
great lets stop using states to enforce property rights! ? >>>>>>>>>>>
dude: the fool who speaks because he must
In my view view, individual property ownership is an absolute, >>>>>>>> foundational human right. Self-ownership is the idea that you own your >>>>>>>> body, mind, and labor,-a which extends to the fruits of their labor. >>>>>>>
u can take ur ideal to the grave dude, that's all it's good for
Property rights are essential for peace, prosperity, and preventing >>>>>>>> coercion, so you are secure in your person and belongings. The right >>>>>>>> to property is indispensable to a free society.
-a > hard disagree
-a >
-a > #god
Without benefit, why would I labor?
Because you are hungry
Because your wife and kids depend on you, and you love them
Because you simply must find something to do with yourself as every
retiree learns.
Exactly like the street beggars in india or central america. Because >>>>> they wish to walk the earth and not lie beneath it.
Those are all benefits.
So your question above is really nonsense, right?
Property rights are human rights.
How did that sneak in here? We were talking about why you would
labor.
Mandated labor without compensation is slavery.
Minimal compensation is still wage slavery, and in many ways worse.
If I purchase property from someone who freely agreed to sell it to me,
taking it against my will is theft.
According to the social structure currently in force. It is not an a
priori absolute eternal universal truth. In fact, it might even be
that the universe cares nothing for what you imagine your rights are.
Bang on the door and howl your outrage. The door does not open.
These are all simple facts that only an educated idiot would disagree with.
Thanks for your ignorant opinion.
On 3/3/2026 11:45 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Tue, 3 Mar 2026 13:38:29 -0500, Wilson <Wilson@nowhere.invalid>
wrote:
On 3/3/2026 1:02 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Tue, 3 Mar 2026 12:01:47 -0500, Wilson <Wilson@nowhere.invalid>
wrote:
On 3/3/2026 11:48 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Tue, 3 Mar 2026 11:34:11 -0500, Wilson <Wilson@nowhere.invalid> >>>>>> wrote:
On 3/3/2026 1:25 AM, dart200 wrote:
On 3/2/26 8:24 PM, Dude wrote:
On 3/2/2026 4:02 PM, dart200 wrote:u don't get automatic claim to land/resources just because u did labor >>>>>>>> with it. i don't see the necessary implication there besides simple >>>>>>>> greed and narcissism
On 3/2/26 9:14 AM, Dude wrote:Because shut up.
On 3/1/2026 4:29 PM, dart200 wrote:
On 3/1/26 3:18 PM, Wilson wrote:States are property. Have you heard of states rights? How about the >>>>>>>>>>> word "union"?
I believe that ethical principles are real and exist. And that >>>>>>>>>>>>> when discovered and adopted by the human person, they are given >>>>>>>>>>>>> meaning through his relationship to and interaction with the >>>>>>>>>>>>> universe that surrounds him. Right-action is recognizable by the >>>>>>>>>>>>> individual.
As such, all ethical systems ultimately are human / universe >>>>>>>>>>>>> centered, not state / system centered.
Systems of control are built on a foundation that says the >>>>>>>>>>>>> governing power decides what is right and good. This removes >>>>>>>>>>>>> agency from the person, making certain choices unavailable and >>>>>>>>>>>>> therefore outside the field of voluntary ethics.
great lets stop using states to enforce property rights! ? >>>>>>>>>>>>
dude: the fool who speaks because he must
In my view view, individual property ownership is an absolute, >>>>>>>>> foundational human right. Self-ownership is the idea that you own your
body, mind, and labor,a which extends to the fruits of their labor. >>>>>>>>
u can take ur ideal to the grave dude, that's all it's good for >>>>>>>>
Property rights are essential for peace, prosperity, and preventing >>>>>>>>> coercion, so you are secure in your person and belongings. The right >>>>>>>>> to property is indispensable to a free society.
a > hard disagree
a >
a > #god
Without benefit, why would I labor?
Because you are hungry
Because your wife and kids depend on you, and you love them
Because you simply must find something to do with yourself as every >>>>>> retiree learns.
Exactly like the street beggars in india or central america. Because >>>>>> they wish to walk the earth and not lie beneath it.
Those are all benefits.
So your question above is really nonsense, right?
Property rights are human rights.
How did that sneak in here? We were talking about why you would
labor.
Mandated labor without compensation is slavery.
Minimal compensation is still wage slavery, and in many ways worse.
If I purchase property from someone who freely agreed to sell it to me,
taking it against my will is theft.
According to the social structure currently in force. It is not an a
priori absolute eternal universal truth. In fact, it might even be
that the universe cares nothing for what you imagine your rights are.
Bang on the door and howl your outrage. The door does not open.
These are all simple facts that only an educated idiot would disagree with. >>Thanks for your ignorant opinion.
You rascal! Ripping off ideas by old Karl Marx, and not even giving him >credit. Good work. There is hope for this discussion group after all.
On 3/3/2026 1:02 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Tue, 3 Mar 2026 12:01:47 -0500, Wilson <Wilson@nowhere.invalid>
wrote:
On 3/3/2026 11:48 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Tue, 3 Mar 2026 11:34:11 -0500, Wilson <Wilson@nowhere.invalid>
wrote:
On 3/3/2026 1:25 AM, dart200 wrote:
On 3/2/26 8:24 PM, Dude wrote:
On 3/2/2026 4:02 PM, dart200 wrote:u don't get automatic claim to land/resources just because u did
On 3/2/26 9:14 AM, Dude wrote:Because shut up.
On 3/1/2026 4:29 PM, dart200 wrote:
On 3/1/26 3:18 PM, Wilson wrote:States are property. Have you heard of states rights? How about >>>>>>>>> the
I believe that ethical principles are real and exist. And that >>>>>>>>>>> when discovered and adopted by the human person, they are given >>>>>>>>>>> meaning through his relationship to and interaction with the >>>>>>>>>>> universe that surrounds him. Right-action is recognizable by the >>>>>>>>>>> individual.
As such, all ethical systems ultimately are human / universe >>>>>>>>>>> centered, not state / system centered.
Systems of control are built on a foundation that says the >>>>>>>>>>> governing power decides what is right and good. This removes >>>>>>>>>>> agency from the person, making certain choices unavailable and >>>>>>>>>>> therefore outside the field of voluntary ethics.
great lets stop using states to enforce property rights! ? >>>>>>>>>>
word "union"?
dude: the fool who speaks because he must
In my view view, individual property ownership is an absolute,
foundational human right. Self-ownership is the idea that you own >>>>>>> your
body, mind, and labor,-a which extends to the fruits of their labor. >>>>>>
labor
with it. i don't see the necessary implication there besides simple >>>>>> greed and narcissism
u can take ur ideal to the grave dude, that's all it's good for
Property rights are essential for peace, prosperity, and preventing >>>>>>> coercion, so you are secure in your person and belongings. The right >>>>>>> to property is indispensable to a free society.
-a-a -a > hard disagree
-a-a -a >
-a-a -a > #god
Without benefit, why would I labor?
Because you are hungry
Because your wife and kids depend on you, and you love them
Because you simply must find something to do with yourself as every
retiree learns.
Exactly like the street beggars in india or central america.-a Because >>>> they wish to walk the earth and not lie beneath it.
Those are all benefits.
So your question above is really nonsense, right?
Property rights are human rights.
Mandated labor without compensation is slavery.
If I purchase property from someone who freely agreed to sell it to me, taking it against my will is theft.
These are all simple facts that only an educated idiot would disagree with.
On 3/3/2026 10:38 AM, Wilson wrote:
On 3/3/2026 1:02 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:So, I'm not at all convinced these two completed 3rd grade.
On Tue, 3 Mar 2026 12:01:47 -0500, Wilson <Wilson@nowhere.invalid>
wrote:
On 3/3/2026 11:48 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Tue, 3 Mar 2026 11:34:11 -0500, Wilson <Wilson@nowhere.invalid>
wrote:
On 3/3/2026 1:25 AM, dart200 wrote:
On 3/2/26 8:24 PM, Dude wrote:
On 3/2/2026 4:02 PM, dart200 wrote:u don't get automatic claim to land/resources just because u did >>>>>>> labor
On 3/2/26 9:14 AM, Dude wrote:Because shut up.
On 3/1/2026 4:29 PM, dart200 wrote:
On 3/1/26 3:18 PM, Wilson wrote:States are property. Have you heard of states rights? How about >>>>>>>>>> the
I believe that ethical principles are real and exist. And that >>>>>>>>>>>> when discovered and adopted by the human person, they are given >>>>>>>>>>>> meaning through his relationship to and interaction with the >>>>>>>>>>>> universe that surrounds him. Right-action is recognizable by the >>>>>>>>>>>> individual.
As such, all ethical systems ultimately are human / universe >>>>>>>>>>>> centered, not state / system centered.
Systems of control are built on a foundation that says the >>>>>>>>>>>> governing power decides what is right and good. This removes >>>>>>>>>>>> agency from the person, making certain choices unavailable and >>>>>>>>>>>> therefore outside the field of voluntary ethics.
great lets stop using states to enforce property rights! ? >>>>>>>>>>>
word "union"?
dude: the fool who speaks because he must
In my view view, individual property ownership is an absolute, >>>>>>>> foundational human right. Self-ownership is the idea that you own >>>>>>>> your
body, mind, and labor,a which extends to the fruits of their labor. >>>>>>>
with it. i don't see the necessary implication there besides simple >>>>>>> greed and narcissism
u can take ur ideal to the grave dude, that's all it's good for
Property rights are essential for peace, prosperity, and preventing >>>>>>>> coercion, so you are secure in your person and belongings. The right >>>>>>>> to property is indispensable to a free society.
aa a > hard disagree
aa a >
aa a > #god
Without benefit, why would I labor?
Because you are hungry
Because your wife and kids depend on you, and you love them
Because you simply must find something to do with yourself as every
retiree learns.
Exactly like the street beggars in india or central america.a Because >>>>> they wish to walk the earth and not lie beneath it.
Those are all benefits.
So your question above is really nonsense, right?
Property rights are human rights.
Mandated labor without compensation is slavery.
If I purchase property from someone who freely agreed to sell it to me,
taking it against my will is theft.
These are all simple facts that only an educated idiot would disagree with. >>
Only an idiot would post Marxist leftist propaganda to a chat room of
four informants, two of whom reside in the US, under a Republican
Democracy.
You just can't make this stuff up!
On Tue, 3 Mar 2026 12:55:51 -0800, Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote:
On 3/3/2026 10:38 AM, Wilson wrote:
On 3/3/2026 1:02 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:So, I'm not at all convinced these two completed 3rd grade.
On Tue, 3 Mar 2026 12:01:47 -0500, Wilson <Wilson@nowhere.invalid>
wrote:
On 3/3/2026 11:48 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Tue, 3 Mar 2026 11:34:11 -0500, Wilson <Wilson@nowhere.invalid> >>>>>> wrote:
On 3/3/2026 1:25 AM, dart200 wrote:
On 3/2/26 8:24 PM, Dude wrote:
On 3/2/2026 4:02 PM, dart200 wrote:u don't get automatic claim to land/resources just because u did >>>>>>>> labor
On 3/2/26 9:14 AM, Dude wrote:Because shut up.
On 3/1/2026 4:29 PM, dart200 wrote:
On 3/1/26 3:18 PM, Wilson wrote:States are property. Have you heard of states rights? How about >>>>>>>>>>> the
I believe that ethical principles are real and exist. And that >>>>>>>>>>>>> when discovered and adopted by the human person, they are given >>>>>>>>>>>>> meaning through his relationship to and interaction with the >>>>>>>>>>>>> universe that surrounds him. Right-action is recognizable by the >>>>>>>>>>>>> individual.
As such, all ethical systems ultimately are human / universe >>>>>>>>>>>>> centered, not state / system centered.
Systems of control are built on a foundation that says the >>>>>>>>>>>>> governing power decides what is right and good. This removes >>>>>>>>>>>>> agency from the person, making certain choices unavailable and >>>>>>>>>>>>> therefore outside the field of voluntary ethics.
great lets stop using states to enforce property rights! ? >>>>>>>>>>>>
word "union"?
dude: the fool who speaks because he must
In my view view, individual property ownership is an absolute, >>>>>>>>> foundational human right. Self-ownership is the idea that you own >>>>>>>>> your
body, mind, and labor,-a which extends to the fruits of their labor. >>>>>>>>
with it. i don't see the necessary implication there besides simple >>>>>>>> greed and narcissism
u can take ur ideal to the grave dude, that's all it's good for >>>>>>>>
Property rights are essential for peace, prosperity, and preventing >>>>>>>>> coercion, so you are secure in your person and belongings. The right >>>>>>>>> to property is indispensable to a free society.
-a-a -a > hard disagree
-a-a -a >
-a-a -a > #god
Without benefit, why would I labor?
Because you are hungry
Because your wife and kids depend on you, and you love them
Because you simply must find something to do with yourself as every >>>>>> retiree learns.
Exactly like the street beggars in india or central america.-a Because >>>>>> they wish to walk the earth and not lie beneath it.
Those are all benefits.
So your question above is really nonsense, right?
Property rights are human rights.
Mandated labor without compensation is slavery.
If I purchase property from someone who freely agreed to sell it to me,
taking it against my will is theft.
These are all simple facts that only an educated idiot would disagree with. >>>
Only an idiot would post Marxist leftist propaganda to a chat room of
four informants, two of whom reside in the US, under a Republican
Democracy.
You just can't make this stuff up!
Let's get to the bottom of this who wazzit that posted marx?
On Tue, 3 Mar 2026 09:48:27 -0800, Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote:
On 3/3/2026 9:01 AM, Wilson wrote:
On 3/3/2026 11:48 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:A person has certain innate rights by just being born human.
On Tue, 3 Mar 2026 11:34:11 -0500, Wilson <Wilson@nowhere.invalid>
wrote:
On 3/3/2026 1:25 AM, dart200 wrote:
On 3/2/26 8:24 PM, Dude wrote:
On 3/2/2026 4:02 PM, dart200 wrote:u don't get automatic claim to land/resources just because u did labor >>>>>> with it. i don't see the necessary implication there besides simple >>>>>> greed and narcissism
On 3/2/26 9:14 AM, Dude wrote:Because shut up.
On 3/1/2026 4:29 PM, dart200 wrote:
On 3/1/26 3:18 PM, Wilson wrote:States are property. Have you heard of states rights? How about the >>>>>>>>> word "union"?
I believe that ethical principles are real and exist. And that >>>>>>>>>>> when discovered and adopted by the human person, they are given >>>>>>>>>>> meaning through his relationship to and interaction with the >>>>>>>>>>> universe that surrounds him. Right-action is recognizable by the >>>>>>>>>>> individual.
As such, all ethical systems ultimately are human / universe >>>>>>>>>>> centered, not state / system centered.
Systems of control are built on a foundation that says the >>>>>>>>>>> governing power decides what is right and good. This removes >>>>>>>>>>> agency from the person, making certain choices unavailable and >>>>>>>>>>> therefore outside the field of voluntary ethics.
great lets stop using states to enforce property rights! ? >>>>>>>>>>
dude: the fool who speaks because he must
In my view view, individual property ownership is an absolute,
foundational human right. Self-ownership is the idea that you own your >>>>>>> body, mind, and labor,-a which extends to the fruits of their labor. >>>>>>
u can take ur ideal to the grave dude, that's all it's good for
Property rights are essential for peace, prosperity, and preventing >>>>>>> coercion, so you are secure in your person and belongings. The right >>>>>>> to property is indispensable to a free society.
-a -a > hard disagree
-a -a >
-a -a > #god
Without benefit, why would I labor?
Because you are hungry
Because your wife and kids depend on you, and you love them
Because you simply must find something to do with yourself and every
retiree learns.
Exactly like the street beggars in india or central america.-a Because >>>> they wish to walk the earth and not lie beneath it.
Those are all benefits.
It's not complicated. We studied this in 5th grade. Civics 101 Human
Rights Chapter 1
Anyone who improves property gets the fruit of their labor.
It's a basic human right, because without a place to be secure, you are
not able to defend your rights to even life.
This basic foundation of Western civilization. It is a fact that is self
evident and inalienable, unless you die, and then that's another story.
God created Adam and Eve and gave to them the Garden of Eden and told
them to go forth and multiply.
He did not intend for Man to be a slave on a fruit farm!
Yet many of us are.
Rights, like many other things like laws and ownership all relate tosocial structure. How we manage to live together in big cities and
almost not kill each other.
You might have a deed to land that grants you ownership relative to
me, so I can't go there unless you say so, still as far as planet
earth is concerned, your deed is a piece of paper that means nothing
at all.
In a few years, you will be gone, in a few centuries the place youthought you owned will look very differently, probably. It is true
that some people in uk live in centuries old stone houses. So give it another millennium. That house and you and everybody else who thought
they lived there will be gone. And earth will still be even if
humanity itself is not.
Rights, laws, and ownership are chimera. Fantasies of how we see
ourselves. The fact that somebody wrote on a piece of paper about god
given inalienable rights does not change that. In how many thousands
of years will that piece of paper and whatever it said be lost and
forgotten?
On 3/3/2026 1:08 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Tue, 3 Mar 2026 12:55:51 -0800, Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote:
On 3/3/2026 10:38 AM, Wilson wrote:
On 3/3/2026 1:02 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:So, I'm not at all convinced these two completed 3rd grade.
On Tue, 3 Mar 2026 12:01:47 -0500, Wilson <Wilson@nowhere.invalid>
wrote:
On 3/3/2026 11:48 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Tue, 3 Mar 2026 11:34:11 -0500, Wilson <Wilson@nowhere.invalid> >>>>>>> wrote:
On 3/3/2026 1:25 AM, dart200 wrote:
On 3/2/26 8:24 PM, Dude wrote:
On 3/2/2026 4:02 PM, dart200 wrote:u don't get automatic claim to land/resources just because u did >>>>>>>>> labor
On 3/2/26 9:14 AM, Dude wrote:Because shut up.
On 3/1/2026 4:29 PM, dart200 wrote:
On 3/1/26 3:18 PM, Wilson wrote:States are property. Have you heard of states rights? How about >>>>>>>>>>>> the
I believe that ethical principles are real and exist. And that >>>>>>>>>>>>>> when discovered and adopted by the human person, they are given >>>>>>>>>>>>>> meaning through his relationship to and interaction with the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> universe that surrounds him. Right-action is recognizable by the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> individual.
As such, all ethical systems ultimately are human / universe >>>>>>>>>>>>>> centered, not state / system centered.
Systems of control are built on a foundation that says the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> governing power decides what is right and good. This removes >>>>>>>>>>>>>> agency from the person, making certain choices unavailable and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> therefore outside the field of voluntary ethics.
great lets stop using states to enforce property rights! ? >>>>>>>>>>>>>
word "union"?
dude: the fool who speaks because he must
In my view view, individual property ownership is an absolute, >>>>>>>>>> foundational human right. Self-ownership is the idea that you own >>>>>>>>>> your
body, mind, and labor,a which extends to the fruits of their labor. >>>>>>>>>
with it. i don't see the necessary implication there besides simple >>>>>>>>> greed and narcissism
u can take ur ideal to the grave dude, that's all it's good for >>>>>>>>>
Property rights are essential for peace, prosperity, and preventing >>>>>>>>>> coercion, so you are secure in your person and belongings. The right >>>>>>>>>> to property is indispensable to a free society.
aa a > hard disagree
aa a >
aa a > #god
Without benefit, why would I labor?
Because you are hungry
Because your wife and kids depend on you, and you love them
Because you simply must find something to do with yourself as every >>>>>>> retiree learns.
Exactly like the street beggars in india or central america.a Because >>>>>>> they wish to walk the earth and not lie beneath it.
Those are all benefits.
So your question above is really nonsense, right?
Property rights are human rights.
Mandated labor without compensation is slavery.
If I purchase property from someone who freely agreed to sell it to me, >>>> taking it against my will is theft.
These are all simple facts that only an educated idiot would disagree with.
Only an idiot would post Marxist leftist propaganda to a chat room of
four informants, two of whom reside in the US, under a Republican
Democracy.
You just can't make this stuff up!
Let's get to the bottom of this who wazzit that posted marx?
Let's look at Mao's Little Red Book, Page 1:
Eliminate private property for the transition to a socialist system of >ownership, eliminate private property. Defeat the capitalist classes.
Now, let's look at Marx's Das Kapital:
The right to private property is capitalist exploitation, allowing the >owners of capital to maintain their power.
On 3/3/2026 10:31 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Tue, 3 Mar 2026 09:48:27 -0800, Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote:We studied this in junior college: Ethics 101 (required course).
On 3/3/2026 9:01 AM, Wilson wrote:
On 3/3/2026 11:48 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:A person has certain innate rights by just being born human.
On Tue, 3 Mar 2026 11:34:11 -0500, Wilson <Wilson@nowhere.invalid>
wrote:
On 3/3/2026 1:25 AM, dart200 wrote:
On 3/2/26 8:24 PM, Dude wrote:
On 3/2/2026 4:02 PM, dart200 wrote:u don't get automatic claim to land/resources just because u did labor >>>>>>> with it. i don't see the necessary implication there besides simple >>>>>>> greed and narcissism
On 3/2/26 9:14 AM, Dude wrote:Because shut up.
On 3/1/2026 4:29 PM, dart200 wrote:
On 3/1/26 3:18 PM, Wilson wrote:States are property. Have you heard of states rights? How about the >>>>>>>>>> word "union"?
I believe that ethical principles are real and exist. And that >>>>>>>>>>>> when discovered and adopted by the human person, they are given >>>>>>>>>>>> meaning through his relationship to and interaction with the >>>>>>>>>>>> universe that surrounds him. Right-action is recognizable by the >>>>>>>>>>>> individual.
As such, all ethical systems ultimately are human / universe >>>>>>>>>>>> centered, not state / system centered.
Systems of control are built on a foundation that says the >>>>>>>>>>>> governing power decides what is right and good. This removes >>>>>>>>>>>> agency from the person, making certain choices unavailable and >>>>>>>>>>>> therefore outside the field of voluntary ethics.
great lets stop using states to enforce property rights! ? >>>>>>>>>>>
dude: the fool who speaks because he must
In my view view, individual property ownership is an absolute, >>>>>>>> foundational human right. Self-ownership is the idea that you own your >>>>>>>> body, mind, and labor,a which extends to the fruits of their labor. >>>>>>>
u can take ur ideal to the grave dude, that's all it's good for
Property rights are essential for peace, prosperity, and preventing >>>>>>>> coercion, so you are secure in your person and belongings. The right >>>>>>>> to property is indispensable to a free society.
a a > hard disagree
a a >
a a > #god
Without benefit, why would I labor?
Because you are hungry
Because your wife and kids depend on you, and you love them
Because you simply must find something to do with yourself and every >>>>> retiree learns.
Exactly like the street beggars in india or central america.a Because >>>>> they wish to walk the earth and not lie beneath it.
Those are all benefits.
It's not complicated. We studied this in 5th grade. Civics 101 Human
Rights Chapter 1
Anyone who improves property gets the fruit of their labor.
It's a basic human right, because without a place to be secure, you are
not able to defend your rights to even life.
This basic foundation of Western civilization. It is a fact that is self >>> evident and inalienable, unless you die, and then that's another story.
God created Adam and Eve and gave to them the Garden of Eden and told
them to go forth and multiply.
He did not intend for Man to be a slave on a fruit farm!
Yet many of us are.
Rights, like many other things like laws and ownership all relate tosocial structure. How we manage to live together in big cities and
almost not kill each other.
Human rights, such as the right to life, are innate to humans, and
cannot be taken away by anyone or by any government. You are the owner
of your own person. You have a human right to be secure in your person.
You might have a deed to land that grants you ownership relative toA nihilist generally views property rights as a non-existent, socially >constructed concept that has no basis in the natural world.
me, so I can't go there unless you say so, still as far as planet
earth is concerned, your deed is a piece of paper that means nothing
at all.
Because nihilism denies inherent meaning or objective morality, it holds >that ownership is simply a temporary arrangement based on force orIn a few years, you will be gone, in a few centuries the place youthought you owned will look very differently, probably. It is true
that some people in uk live in centuries old stone houses. So give it
another millennium. That house and you and everybody else who thought
they lived there will be gone. And earth will still be even if
humanity itself is not.
social consensus, not an intrinsic right.
Rights, laws, and ownership are chimera. Fantasies of how we seeHere is a breakdown of what a nihilist might say about property rights:
ourselves. The fact that somebody wrote on a piece of paper about god
given inalienable rights does not change that. In how many thousands
of years will that piece of paper and whatever it said be lost and
forgotten?
Property is not "real": Rights are seen as mental constructs that only
exist because people agree to recognize them.
On Tue, 3 Mar 2026 15:34:32 -0800, Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote:
On 3/3/2026 10:31 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Tue, 3 Mar 2026 09:48:27 -0800, Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote:We studied this in junior college: Ethics 101 (required course).
On 3/3/2026 9:01 AM, Wilson wrote:
On 3/3/2026 11:48 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:A person has certain innate rights by just being born human.
On Tue, 3 Mar 2026 11:34:11 -0500, Wilson <Wilson@nowhere.invalid> >>>>>> wrote:
On 3/3/2026 1:25 AM, dart200 wrote:
On 3/2/26 8:24 PM, Dude wrote:
On 3/2/2026 4:02 PM, dart200 wrote:u don't get automatic claim to land/resources just because u did labor >>>>>>>> with it. i don't see the necessary implication there besides simple >>>>>>>> greed and narcissism
On 3/2/26 9:14 AM, Dude wrote:Because shut up.
On 3/1/2026 4:29 PM, dart200 wrote:
On 3/1/26 3:18 PM, Wilson wrote:States are property. Have you heard of states rights? How about the >>>>>>>>>>> word "union"?
I believe that ethical principles are real and exist. And that >>>>>>>>>>>>> when discovered and adopted by the human person, they are given >>>>>>>>>>>>> meaning through his relationship to and interaction with the >>>>>>>>>>>>> universe that surrounds him. Right-action is recognizable by the >>>>>>>>>>>>> individual.
As such, all ethical systems ultimately are human / universe >>>>>>>>>>>>> centered, not state / system centered.
Systems of control are built on a foundation that says the >>>>>>>>>>>>> governing power decides what is right and good. This removes >>>>>>>>>>>>> agency from the person, making certain choices unavailable and >>>>>>>>>>>>> therefore outside the field of voluntary ethics.
great lets stop using states to enforce property rights! ? >>>>>>>>>>>>
dude: the fool who speaks because he must
In my view view, individual property ownership is an absolute, >>>>>>>>> foundational human right. Self-ownership is the idea that you own your
body, mind, and labor,-a which extends to the fruits of their labor. >>>>>>>>
u can take ur ideal to the grave dude, that's all it's good for >>>>>>>>
Property rights are essential for peace, prosperity, and preventing >>>>>>>>> coercion, so you are secure in your person and belongings. The right >>>>>>>>> to property is indispensable to a free society.
-a -a > hard disagree
-a -a >
-a -a > #god
Without benefit, why would I labor?
Because you are hungry
Because your wife and kids depend on you, and you love them
Because you simply must find something to do with yourself and every >>>>>> retiree learns.
Exactly like the street beggars in india or central america.-a Because >>>>>> they wish to walk the earth and not lie beneath it.
Those are all benefits.
It's not complicated. We studied this in 5th grade. Civics 101 Human
Rights Chapter 1
Anyone who improves property gets the fruit of their labor.
It's a basic human right, because without a place to be secure, you are >>>> not able to defend your rights to even life.
This basic foundation of Western civilization. It is a fact that is self >>>> evident and inalienable, unless you die, and then that's another story. >>>>
God created Adam and Eve and gave to them the Garden of Eden and told
them to go forth and multiply.
He did not intend for Man to be a slave on a fruit farm!
Yet many of us are.
Human rights, such as the right to life, are innate to humans, andRights, like many other things like laws and ownership all relate tosocial structure. How we manage to live together in big cities and
almost not kill each other.
cannot be taken away by anyone or by any government. You are the owner
of your own person. You have a human right to be secure in your person.
A nihilist generally views property rights as a non-existent, socially
You might have a deed to land that grants you ownership relative to
me, so I can't go there unless you say so, still as far as planet
earth is concerned, your deed is a piece of paper that means nothing
at all.
constructed concept that has no basis in the natural world.
Because nihilism denies inherent meaning or objective morality, it holdsIn a few years, you will be gone, in a few centuries the place youthought you owned will look very differently, probably. It is true
that some people in uk live in centuries old stone houses. So give it
another millennium. That house and you and everybody else who thought
they lived there will be gone. And earth will still be even if
humanity itself is not.
that ownership is simply a temporary arrangement based on force or
social consensus, not an intrinsic right.
Rights, laws, and ownership are chimera. Fantasies of how we seeHere is a breakdown of what a nihilist might say about property rights:
ourselves. The fact that somebody wrote on a piece of paper about god
given inalienable rights does not change that. In how many thousands
of years will that piece of paper and whatever it said be lost and
forgotten?
Property is not "real": Rights are seen as mental constructs that only
exist because people agree to recognize them.
There are no god given rights. If nihilists should happen to say
something similar, that does not make me a nihilist.'
If marx should happen to say something similar, that does not make me
a marxist.
And neither am I wrong on that because of either happenstance.
On Tue, 3 Mar 2026 13:38:29 -0500, Wilson <Wilson@nowhere.invalid>
wrote:
On 3/3/2026 1:02 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Tue, 3 Mar 2026 12:01:47 -0500, Wilson <Wilson@nowhere.invalid>
wrote:
On 3/3/2026 11:48 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Tue, 3 Mar 2026 11:34:11 -0500, Wilson <Wilson@nowhere.invalid>
wrote:
On 3/3/2026 1:25 AM, dart200 wrote:
On 3/2/26 8:24 PM, Dude wrote:
On 3/2/2026 4:02 PM, dart200 wrote:u don't get automatic claim to land/resources just because u did labor >>>>>>> with it. i don't see the necessary implication there besides simple >>>>>>> greed and narcissism
On 3/2/26 9:14 AM, Dude wrote:Because shut up.
On 3/1/2026 4:29 PM, dart200 wrote:
On 3/1/26 3:18 PM, Wilson wrote:States are property. Have you heard of states rights? How about the >>>>>>>>>> word "union"?
I believe that ethical principles are real and exist. And that >>>>>>>>>>>> when discovered and adopted by the human person, they are given >>>>>>>>>>>> meaning through his relationship to and interaction with the >>>>>>>>>>>> universe that surrounds him. Right-action is recognizable by the >>>>>>>>>>>> individual.
As such, all ethical systems ultimately are human / universe >>>>>>>>>>>> centered, not state / system centered.
Systems of control are built on a foundation that says the >>>>>>>>>>>> governing power decides what is right and good. This removes >>>>>>>>>>>> agency from the person, making certain choices unavailable and >>>>>>>>>>>> therefore outside the field of voluntary ethics.
great lets stop using states to enforce property rights! ? >>>>>>>>>>>
dude: the fool who speaks because he must
In my view view, individual property ownership is an absolute, >>>>>>>> foundational human right. Self-ownership is the idea that you own your >>>>>>>> body, mind, and labor,-a which extends to the fruits of their labor. >>>>>>>
u can take ur ideal to the grave dude, that's all it's good for
Property rights are essential for peace, prosperity, and preventing >>>>>>>> coercion, so you are secure in your person and belongings. The right >>>>>>>> to property is indispensable to a free society.
-a > hard disagree
-a >
-a > #god
Without benefit, why would I labor?
Because you are hungry
Because your wife and kids depend on you, and you love them
Because you simply must find something to do with yourself as every
retiree learns.
Exactly like the street beggars in india or central america. Because >>>>> they wish to walk the earth and not lie beneath it.
Those are all benefits.
So your question above is really nonsense, right?
Property rights are human rights.
How did that sneak in here? We were talking about why you would
labor.
Mandated labor without compensation is slavery.
Minimal compensation is still wage slavery, and in many ways worse.
If I purchase property from someone who freely agreed to sell it to me,
taking it against my will is theft.
According to the social structure currently in force. It is not an a
priori absolute eternal universal truth. In fact, it might even be
that the universe cares nothing for what you imagine your rights are.
Bang on the door and howl your outrage.
The door does not open.>"Knock and it will be opened to you." - Matthew 7:7-8
disagree with.These are all simple facts that only an educated idiot would
Thanks for your ignorant opinion.
On Tue, 3 Mar 2026 15:14:29 -0800, Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote:
On 3/3/2026 1:08 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:I'm surprised you have both of those at hand. I do not.
On Tue, 3 Mar 2026 12:55:51 -0800, Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote:Let's look at Mao's Little Red Book, Page 1:
On 3/3/2026 10:38 AM, Wilson wrote:
On 3/3/2026 1:02 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:So, I'm not at all convinced these two completed 3rd grade.
On Tue, 3 Mar 2026 12:01:47 -0500, Wilson <Wilson@nowhere.invalid> >>>>>> wrote:
On 3/3/2026 11:48 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Tue, 3 Mar 2026 11:34:11 -0500, Wilson <Wilson@nowhere.invalid> >>>>>>>> wrote:
On 3/3/2026 1:25 AM, dart200 wrote:
On 3/2/26 8:24 PM, Dude wrote:
On 3/2/2026 4:02 PM, dart200 wrote:
On 3/2/26 9:14 AM, Dude wrote:Because shut up.
On 3/1/2026 4:29 PM, dart200 wrote:
On 3/1/26 3:18 PM, Wilson wrote:States are property. Have you heard of states rights? How about >>>>>>>>>>>>> the
I believe that ethical principles are real and exist. And that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when discovered and adopted by the human person, they are given >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> meaning through his relationship to and interaction with the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> universe that surrounds him. Right-action is recognizable by the
individual.
As such, all ethical systems ultimately are human / universe >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> centered, not state / system centered.
Systems of control are built on a foundation that says the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> governing power decides what is right and good. This removes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> agency from the person, making certain choices unavailable and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> therefore outside the field of voluntary ethics.
great lets stop using states to enforce property rights! ? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
word "union"?
dude: the fool who speaks because he must
In my view view, individual property ownership is an absolute, >>>>>>>>>>> foundational human right. Self-ownership is the idea that you own >>>>>>>>>>> your
body, mind, and labor,-a which extends to the fruits of their labor.
u don't get automatic claim to land/resources just because u did >>>>>>>>>> labor
with it. i don't see the necessary implication there besides simple >>>>>>>>>> greed and narcissism
u can take ur ideal to the grave dude, that's all it's good for >>>>>>>>>>
Property rights are essential for peace, prosperity, and preventing >>>>>>>>>>> coercion, so you are secure in your person and belongings. The right
to property is indispensable to a free society.
-a-a -a > hard disagree
-a-a -a >
-a-a -a > #god
Without benefit, why would I labor?
Because you are hungry
Because your wife and kids depend on you, and you love them
Because you simply must find something to do with yourself as every >>>>>>>> retiree learns.
Exactly like the street beggars in india or central america.-a Because >>>>>>>> they wish to walk the earth and not lie beneath it.
Those are all benefits.
So your question above is really nonsense, right?
Property rights are human rights.
Mandated labor without compensation is slavery.
If I purchase property from someone who freely agreed to sell it to me, >>>>> taking it against my will is theft.
These are all simple facts that only an educated idiot would disagree with.
Only an idiot would post Marxist leftist propaganda to a chat room of
four informants, two of whom reside in the US, under a Republican
Democracy.
You just can't make this stuff up!
Let's get to the bottom of this who wazzit that posted marx?
Eliminate private property for the transition to a socialist system of
ownership, eliminate private property. Defeat the capitalist classes.
Now, let's look at Marx's Das Kapital:
The right to private property is capitalist exploitation, allowing the
owners of capital to maintain their power.
As for me, private property is dart's big issue. I'm not sure having
it or not having it solves much.
I simply think imagining god given rights is brain foggery.
It is true that marx says something almost similar. That does not
mean I agree with anything else at all that he says. But I do grant
marx the right to be right about something if he should be so lucky.
On 3/3/2026 3:53 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Tue, 3 Mar 2026 15:34:32 -0800, Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote:
On 3/3/2026 10:31 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Tue, 3 Mar 2026 09:48:27 -0800, Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote:We studied this in junior college: Ethics 101 (required course).
On 3/3/2026 9:01 AM, Wilson wrote:
On 3/3/2026 11:48 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:A person has certain innate rights by just being born human.
On Tue, 3 Mar 2026 11:34:11 -0500, Wilson <Wilson@nowhere.invalid> >>>>>>> wrote:
On 3/3/2026 1:25 AM, dart200 wrote:
On 3/2/26 8:24 PM, Dude wrote:
On 3/2/2026 4:02 PM, dart200 wrote:u don't get automatic claim to land/resources just because u did labor
On 3/2/26 9:14 AM, Dude wrote:Because shut up.
On 3/1/2026 4:29 PM, dart200 wrote:
On 3/1/26 3:18 PM, Wilson wrote:States are property. Have you heard of states rights? How about the
I believe that ethical principles are real and exist. And that >>>>>>>>>>>>>> when discovered and adopted by the human person, they are given >>>>>>>>>>>>>> meaning through his relationship to and interaction with the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> universe that surrounds him. Right-action is recognizable by the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> individual.
As such, all ethical systems ultimately are human / universe >>>>>>>>>>>>>> centered, not state / system centered.
Systems of control are built on a foundation that says the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> governing power decides what is right and good. This removes >>>>>>>>>>>>>> agency from the person, making certain choices unavailable and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> therefore outside the field of voluntary ethics.
great lets stop using states to enforce property rights! ? >>>>>>>>>>>>>
word "union"?
dude: the fool who speaks because he must
In my view view, individual property ownership is an absolute, >>>>>>>>>> foundational human right. Self-ownership is the idea that you own your
body, mind, and labor,a which extends to the fruits of their labor. >>>>>>>>>
with it. i don't see the necessary implication there besides simple >>>>>>>>> greed and narcissism
u can take ur ideal to the grave dude, that's all it's good for >>>>>>>>>
Property rights are essential for peace, prosperity, and preventing >>>>>>>>>> coercion, so you are secure in your person and belongings. The right >>>>>>>>>> to property is indispensable to a free society.
a a > hard disagree
a a >
a a > #god
Without benefit, why would I labor?
Because you are hungry
Because your wife and kids depend on you, and you love them
Because you simply must find something to do with yourself and every >>>>>>> retiree learns.
Exactly like the street beggars in india or central america.a Because >>>>>>> they wish to walk the earth and not lie beneath it.
Those are all benefits.
It's not complicated. We studied this in 5th grade. Civics 101 Human >>>>> Rights Chapter 1
Anyone who improves property gets the fruit of their labor.
It's a basic human right, because without a place to be secure, you are >>>>> not able to defend your rights to even life.
This basic foundation of Western civilization. It is a fact that is self >>>>> evident and inalienable, unless you die, and then that's another story. >>>>>
God created Adam and Eve and gave to them the Garden of Eden and told >>>>> them to go forth and multiply.
He did not intend for Man to be a slave on a fruit farm!
Yet many of us are.
Human rights, such as the right to life, are innate to humans, andRights, like many other things like laws and ownership all relate tosocial structure. How we manage to live together in big cities and
almost not kill each other.
cannot be taken away by anyone or by any government. You are the owner
of your own person. You have a human right to be secure in your person. >>>>
You might have a deed to land that grants you ownership relative toA nihilist generally views property rights as a non-existent, socially
me, so I can't go there unless you say so, still as far as planet
earth is concerned, your deed is a piece of paper that means nothing
at all.
constructed concept that has no basis in the natural world.
Because nihilism denies inherent meaning or objective morality, it holds >>> that ownership is simply a temporary arrangement based on force orIn a few years, you will be gone, in a few centuries the place youthought you owned will look very differently, probably. It is true
that some people in uk live in centuries old stone houses. So give it >>>> another millennium. That house and you and everybody else who thought >>>> they lived there will be gone. And earth will still be even if
humanity itself is not.
social consensus, not an intrinsic right.
Rights, laws, and ownership are chimera. Fantasies of how we seeHere is a breakdown of what a nihilist might say about property rights:
ourselves. The fact that somebody wrote on a piece of paper about god >>>> given inalienable rights does not change that. In how many thousands
of years will that piece of paper and whatever it said be lost and
forgotten?
Property is not "real": Rights are seen as mental constructs that only
exist because people agree to recognize them.
There are no god given rights. If nihilists should happen to say
something similar, that does not make me a nihilist.'
If marx should happen to say something similar, that does not make me
a marxist.
And neither am I wrong on that because of either happenstance.
Ideas expressed on social media don't come out of thin air. Anyone >attempting to debate political science already know what Marx said. Just >give credit where credit is due.
Where's Nick?
I'm thinking he's been reading Friedrich Nietzsche , and maybe that's
where he got his crisis of meaning (nihilism).
"God is dead." - Friedrich Nietzsche (1844u1900)
On 3/3/2026 11:45 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Tue, 3 Mar 2026 13:38:29 -0500, Wilson <Wilson@nowhere.invalid>
wrote:
On 3/3/2026 1:02 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Tue, 3 Mar 2026 12:01:47 -0500, Wilson <Wilson@nowhere.invalid>
wrote:
On 3/3/2026 11:48 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Tue, 3 Mar 2026 11:34:11 -0500, Wilson <Wilson@nowhere.invalid> >>>>>> wrote:
On 3/3/2026 1:25 AM, dart200 wrote:
On 3/2/26 8:24 PM, Dude wrote:
On 3/2/2026 4:02 PM, dart200 wrote:u don't get automatic claim to land/resources just because u did labor >>>>>>>> with it. i don't see the necessary implication there besides simple >>>>>>>> greed and narcissism
On 3/2/26 9:14 AM, Dude wrote:Because shut up.
On 3/1/2026 4:29 PM, dart200 wrote:
On 3/1/26 3:18 PM, Wilson wrote:States are property. Have you heard of states rights? How about the >>>>>>>>>>> word "union"?
I believe that ethical principles are real and exist. And that >>>>>>>>>>>>> when discovered and adopted by the human person, they are given >>>>>>>>>>>>> meaning through his relationship to and interaction with the >>>>>>>>>>>>> universe that surrounds him. Right-action is recognizable by the >>>>>>>>>>>>> individual.
As such, all ethical systems ultimately are human / universe >>>>>>>>>>>>> centered, not state / system centered.
Systems of control are built on a foundation that says the >>>>>>>>>>>>> governing power decides what is right and good. This removes >>>>>>>>>>>>> agency from the person, making certain choices unavailable and >>>>>>>>>>>>> therefore outside the field of voluntary ethics.
great lets stop using states to enforce property rights! ? >>>>>>>>>>>>
dude: the fool who speaks because he must
In my view view, individual property ownership is an absolute, >>>>>>>>> foundational human right. Self-ownership is the idea that you own your
body, mind, and labor,a which extends to the fruits of their labor. >>>>>>>>
u can take ur ideal to the grave dude, that's all it's good for >>>>>>>>
Property rights are essential for peace, prosperity, and preventing >>>>>>>>> coercion, so you are secure in your person and belongings. The right >>>>>>>>> to property is indispensable to a free society.
a > hard disagree
a >
a > #god
Without benefit, why would I labor?
Because you are hungry
Because your wife and kids depend on you, and you love them
Because you simply must find something to do with yourself as every >>>>>> retiree learns.
Exactly like the street beggars in india or central america. Because >>>>>> they wish to walk the earth and not lie beneath it.
Those are all benefits.
So your question above is really nonsense, right?
Property rights are human rights.
How did that sneak in here? We were talking about why you would
labor.
Mandated labor without compensation is slavery.
Minimal compensation is still wage slavery, and in many ways worse.
If I purchase property from someone who freely agreed to sell it to me,
taking it against my will is theft.
According to the social structure currently in force. It is not an a
priori absolute eternal universal truth. In fact, it might even be
that the universe cares nothing for what you imagine your rights are.
We studied this in junior college: Philosophy 101: Nihilism
For nihilists, universal or objective truth does not exist. Nihilism
rejects the existence of inherent meaning, objective morality, and
absolute truth, viewing all values as human inventions.
Bang on the door and howl your outrage.
- Nietzsche: "There is no cosmic, objective, or higher truth guiding the >universe and all "truths" are merely fabricated perspectives disguised
as facts."
The door does not open.>"Knock and it will be opened to you." - Matthew 7:7-8
disagree with.These are all simple facts that only an educated idiot would
Thanks for your ignorant opinion.
On 3/3/2026 3:39 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Tue, 3 Mar 2026 15:14:29 -0800, Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote:Apparently, Nick wants some land to live on so he can be secure, but he
On 3/3/2026 1:08 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:I'm surprised you have both of those at hand. I do not.
On Tue, 3 Mar 2026 12:55:51 -0800, Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote:Let's look at Mao's Little Red Book, Page 1:
On 3/3/2026 10:38 AM, Wilson wrote:
On 3/3/2026 1:02 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:So, I'm not at all convinced these two completed 3rd grade.
On Tue, 3 Mar 2026 12:01:47 -0500, Wilson <Wilson@nowhere.invalid> >>>>>>> wrote:
On 3/3/2026 11:48 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Tue, 3 Mar 2026 11:34:11 -0500, Wilson <Wilson@nowhere.invalid> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
On 3/3/2026 1:25 AM, dart200 wrote:
On 3/2/26 8:24 PM, Dude wrote:
On 3/2/2026 4:02 PM, dart200 wrote:
On 3/2/26 9:14 AM, Dude wrote:Because shut up.
On 3/1/2026 4:29 PM, dart200 wrote:
On 3/1/26 3:18 PM, Wilson wrote:States are property. Have you heard of states rights? How about >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
great lets stop using states to enforce property rights! ? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I believe that ethical principles are real and exist. And that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when discovered and adopted by the human person, they are given
meaning through his relationship to and interaction with the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> universe that surrounds him. Right-action is recognizable by the
individual.
As such, all ethical systems ultimately are human / universe >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> centered, not state / system centered.
Systems of control are built on a foundation that says the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> governing power decides what is right and good. This removes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> agency from the person, making certain choices unavailable and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> therefore outside the field of voluntary ethics. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
word "union"?
dude: the fool who speaks because he must
In my view view, individual property ownership is an absolute, >>>>>>>>>>>> foundational human right. Self-ownership is the idea that you own >>>>>>>>>>>> your
body, mind, and labor,a which extends to the fruits of their labor.
u don't get automatic claim to land/resources just because u did >>>>>>>>>>> labor
with it. i don't see the necessary implication there besides simple >>>>>>>>>>> greed and narcissism
u can take ur ideal to the grave dude, that's all it's good for >>>>>>>>>>>
Property rights are essential for peace, prosperity, and preventing
coercion, so you are secure in your person and belongings. The right
to property is indispensable to a free society.
aa a > hard disagree
aa a >
aa a > #god
Without benefit, why would I labor?
Because you are hungry
Because your wife and kids depend on you, and you love them
Because you simply must find something to do with yourself as every >>>>>>>>> retiree learns.
Exactly like the street beggars in india or central america.a Because >>>>>>>>> they wish to walk the earth and not lie beneath it.
Those are all benefits.
So your question above is really nonsense, right?
Property rights are human rights.
Mandated labor without compensation is slavery.
If I purchase property from someone who freely agreed to sell it to me, >>>>>> taking it against my will is theft.
These are all simple facts that only an educated idiot would disagree with.
Only an idiot would post Marxist leftist propaganda to a chat room of >>>>> four informants, two of whom reside in the US, under a Republican
Democracy.
You just can't make this stuff up!
Let's get to the bottom of this who wazzit that posted marx?
Eliminate private property for the transition to a socialist system of
ownership, eliminate private property. Defeat the capitalist classes.
Now, let's look at Marx's Das Kapital:
The right to private property is capitalist exploitation, allowing the
owners of capital to maintain their power.
As for me, private property is dart's big issue. I'm not sure having
it or not having it solves much.
go radicalized on social media - it looks like he's gone nuts. He is all >over the internet, and once caused a textual riot over on alt.politics.
I simply think imagining god given rights is brain foggery.
Man is God. We create our own universe by virtue of Mind. Always look on
the bright side!
It is true that marx says something almost similar. That does not
mean I agree with anything else at all that he says. But I do grant
marx the right to be right about something if he should be so lucky.
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