• Face to face: Carl Jung

    From Julian@julianlzb87@gmail.com to alt.buddha.short.fat.guy on Sat Feb 28 16:39:43 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.buddha.short.fat.guy

    rCyMan cannot stand a meaningless liferCO rCo a conversation with Carl Jung at 84


    Filmed for the BBC series Face to Face in 1959, this archival interview features Carl Jung surveying his life and extraordinarily influential
    career at the age of 84, just two years before his death. In
    conversation with the UK presenter John Freeman at his home near Zurich, Switzerland, he answers a range of questions about his humble
    upbringing, his contentious relationship with Freud, his fervent beliefs
    in God and the collective unconscious, and his thoughts on death and the future of humanity. JungrCOs answers are often quite candid and at times casually poetic, making for a riveting intimate encounter with one of
    the most important thinkers in the history of psychology.

    https://psyche.co/videos/man-cannot-stand-a-meaningless-life-a-conversation-with-carl-jung-at-84
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  • From Noah Sombrero@fedora@fea.st to alt.buddha.short.fat.guy on Sat Feb 28 12:17:03 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.buddha.short.fat.guy

    On Sat, 28 Feb 2026 16:39:43 +0000, Julian <julianlzb87@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    aMan cannot stand a meaningless lifeA u a conversation with Carl Jung at 84


    Filmed for the BBC series Face to Face in 1959, this archival interview >features Carl Jung surveying his life and extraordinarily influential
    career at the age of 84, just two years before his death. In
    conversation with the UK presenter John Freeman at his home near Zurich, >Switzerland, he answers a range of questions about his humble
    upbringing, his contentious relationship with Freud, his fervent beliefs
    in God and the collective unconscious, and his thoughts on death and the >future of humanity. JungAs answers are often quite candid and at times >casually poetic, making for a riveting intimate encounter with one of
    the most important thinkers in the history of psychology.

    https://psyche.co/videos/man-cannot-stand-a-meaningless-life-a-conversation-with-carl-jung-at-84

    So what do we do when we find that we are?
    --
    Noah Sombrero mustachioed villain
    Don't get political with me young man
    or I'll tie you to a railroad track and
    <<<talk>>> to <<<YOOooooo>>>
    Who dares to talk to El Sombrero?
    dares: Ned
    does not dare: Julian shrinks in horror and warns others away

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  • From Noah Sombrero@fedora@fea.st to alt.buddha.short.fat.guy on Sat Feb 28 12:18:19 2026
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    On Sat, 28 Feb 2026 12:17:03 -0500, Noah Sombrero <fedora@fea.st>
    wrote:

    On Sat, 28 Feb 2026 16:39:43 +0000, Julian <julianlzb87@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    aMan cannot stand a meaningless lifeA u a conversation with Carl Jung at 84 >>

    Filmed for the BBC series Face to Face in 1959, this archival interview >>features Carl Jung surveying his life and extraordinarily influential >>career at the age of 84, just two years before his death. In
    conversation with the UK presenter John Freeman at his home near Zurich, >>Switzerland, he answers a range of questions about his humble
    upbringing, his contentious relationship with Freud, his fervent beliefs >>in God and the collective unconscious, and his thoughts on death and the >>future of humanity. JungAs answers are often quite candid and at times >>casually poetic, making for a riveting intimate encounter with one of
    the most important thinkers in the history of psychology.
    https://psyche.co/videos/man-cannot-stand-a-meaningless-life-a-conversation-with-carl-jung-at-84

    So what do we do when we find that we are?

    Standing a meaningless life, that is.
    --
    Noah Sombrero mustachioed villain
    Don't get political with me young man
    or I'll tie you to a railroad track and
    <<<talk>>> to <<<YOOooooo>>>
    Who dares to talk to El Sombrero?
    dares: Ned
    does not dare: Julian shrinks in horror and warns others away

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  • From Tara@tsm@fastmail.ca to alt.buddha.short.fat.guy on Sun Mar 1 15:47:30 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.buddha.short.fat.guy

    On Feb 28, 2026 at 4:54:18rC>PM EST, "Tara" <tsm@fastmail.ca> wrote:

    Julian <julianlzb87@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 28/02/2026 20:46, Tara wrote:
    On Feb 28, 2026 at 11:39:43rC>AM EST, "Julian" <julianlzb87@gmail.com> wrote:

    rCyMan cannot stand a meaningless liferCO rCo a conversation with Carl Jung at 84


    Filmed for the BBC series Face to Face in 1959, this archival interview >>>> features Carl Jung surveying his life and extraordinarily influential
    career at the age of 84, just two years before his death. In
    conversation with the UK presenter John Freeman at his home near Zurich, >>>> Switzerland, he answers a range of questions about his humble
    upbringing, his contentious relationship with Freud, his fervent beliefs >>>> in God and the collective unconscious, and his thoughts on death and the >>>> future of humanity. JungrCOs answers are often quite candid and at times >>>> casually poetic, making for a riveting intimate encounter with one of
    the most important thinkers in the history of psychology.

    https://psyche.co/videos/man-cannot-stand-a-meaningless-life-a-conversation-with-carl-jung-at-84

    Thank you so much for posting this. I've always been a Jungian - (never Freud
    ;)
    He addresses so many aspects of life, war, death and the psyche here.
    Question: "Do you believe in....?" Jung answers: "When I know a thing, I don't
    need to believe". .....

    He didn't leave much room for belief even when he didn't know something.



    Right. He relied on reason and empirical and personal evidence.

    I don't believe - I either know or I know that I don't know.
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  • From Dude@punditster@gmail.com to alt.buddha.short.fat.guy on Sun Mar 1 18:56:35 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.buddha.short.fat.guy

    On 3/1/2026 7:47 AM, Tara wrote:
    On Feb 28, 2026 at 4:54:18rC>PM EST, "Tara" <tsm@fastmail.ca> wrote:

    Julian <julianlzb87@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 28/02/2026 20:46, Tara wrote:
    On Feb 28, 2026 at 11:39:43rC>AM EST, "Julian" <julianlzb87@gmail.com> wrote:

    rCyMan cannot stand a meaningless liferCO rCo a conversation with Carl Jung at 84


    Filmed for the BBC series Face to Face in 1959, this archival interview >>>>> features Carl Jung surveying his life and extraordinarily influential >>>>> career at the age of 84, just two years before his death. In
    conversation with the UK presenter John Freeman at his home near Zurich, >>>>> Switzerland, he answers a range of questions about his humble
    upbringing, his contentious relationship with Freud, his fervent beliefs >>>>> in God and the collective unconscious, and his thoughts on death and the >>>>> future of humanity. JungrCOs answers are often quite candid and at times >>>>> casually poetic, making for a riveting intimate encounter with one of >>>>> the most important thinkers in the history of psychology.

    https://psyche.co/videos/man-cannot-stand-a-meaningless-life-a-conversation-with-carl-jung-at-84

    Thank you so much for posting this. I've always been a Jungian - (never Freud
    ;)
    He addresses so many aspects of life, war, death and the psyche here.
    Question: "Do you believe in....?" Jung answers: "When I know a thing, I don't
    need to believe". .....

    He didn't leave much room for belief even when he didn't know something. >>>


    Right. He relied on reason and empirical and personal evidence.

    I don't believe - I either know or I know that I don't know.

    According to Jung, the collective unconscious is a segment of the
    deepest unconscious mind, genetically inherited rather than personally acquired.

    Unconscious mind is common to all human beings and consists of
    universal, symbolic patterns known as archetypes.
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  • From Dude@punditster@gmail.com to alt.buddha.short.fat.guy on Sun Mar 1 18:58:37 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.buddha.short.fat.guy

    On 2/28/2026 12:54 PM, Julian wrote:
    On 28/02/2026 20:46, Tara wrote:
    On Feb 28, 2026 at 11:39:43rC>AM EST, "Julian" <julianlzb87@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    rCyMan cannot stand a meaningless liferCO rCo a conversation with Carl Jung
    at 84


    Filmed for the BBC series Face to Face in 1959, this archival interview
    features Carl Jung surveying his life and extraordinarily influential
    career at the age of 84, just two years before his death. In
    conversation with the UK presenter John Freeman at his home near Zurich, >>> Switzerland, he answers a range of questions about his humble
    upbringing, his contentious relationship with Freud, his fervent beliefs >>> in God and the collective unconscious, and his thoughts on death and the >>> future of humanity. JungrCOs answers are often quite candid and at times >>> casually poetic, making for a riveting intimate encounter with one of
    the most important thinkers in the history of psychology.

    https://psyche.co/videos/man-cannot-stand-a-meaningless-life-a-
    conversation-with-carl-jung-at-84

    Thank you so much for posting this. I've always been a Jungian -
    (never Freud
    ;)
    He addresses so many aspects of life, war, death and the psyche here.
    Question: "Do you believe in....?" Jung answers: "When I know a thing,
    I don't
    need to believe". .....

    He didn't leave much room for belief even when he didn't know something.

    Jung believed in a universal, inherited layer of the mind containing archetypes. Similar concepts include the Buddhist foundational layer of consciousness that stores karmic seeds, holding universal patterns
    beneath individual, conscious awareness.


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  • From Noah Sombrero@fedora@fea.st to alt.buddha.short.fat.guy on Sun Mar 1 23:48:53 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.buddha.short.fat.guy

    On Sun, 1 Mar 2026 18:56:35 -0800, Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 3/1/2026 7:47 AM, Tara wrote:
    On Feb 28, 2026 at 4:54:18?PM EST, "Tara" <tsm@fastmail.ca> wrote:

    Julian <julianlzb87@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 28/02/2026 20:46, Tara wrote:
    On Feb 28, 2026 at 11:39:43?AM EST, "Julian" <julianlzb87@gmail.com> wrote:

    aMan cannot stand a meaningless lifeA u a conversation with Carl Jung at 84


    Filmed for the BBC series Face to Face in 1959, this archival interview >>>>>> features Carl Jung surveying his life and extraordinarily influential >>>>>> career at the age of 84, just two years before his death. In
    conversation with the UK presenter John Freeman at his home near Zurich, >>>>>> Switzerland, he answers a range of questions about his humble
    upbringing, his contentious relationship with Freud, his fervent beliefs >>>>>> in God and the collective unconscious, and his thoughts on death and the >>>>>> future of humanity. JungAs answers are often quite candid and at times >>>>>> casually poetic, making for a riveting intimate encounter with one of >>>>>> the most important thinkers in the history of psychology.

    https://psyche.co/videos/man-cannot-stand-a-meaningless-life-a-conversation-with-carl-jung-at-84

    Thank you so much for posting this. I've always been a Jungian - (never Freud
    ;)
    He addresses so many aspects of life, war, death and the psyche here. >>>>> Question: "Do you believe in....?" Jung answers: "When I know a thing, I don't
    need to believe". .....

    He didn't leave much room for belief even when he didn't know something. >>>>


    Right. He relied on reason and empirical and personal evidence.

    I don't believe - I either know or I know that I don't know.

    According to Jung, the collective unconscious is a segment of the
    deepest unconscious mind, genetically inherited rather than personally >acquired.

    It is true that some creatures can inherit certain knowledge from
    parents. Crows do this for instance. Knowledge present as gene
    structures is evidence that proteins can code for knowledge in dna. It
    is not evidence for genetic inheritance of a collective unconscious.
    Although there might be such a thing or not.

    Unconscious mind is common to all human beings and consists of
    universal, symbolic patterns known as archetypes.

    In other words patterned thinking rather than original new thought.
    Bad news if true.
    --
    Noah Sombrero mustachioed villain
    Don't get political with me young man
    or I'll tie you to a railroad track and
    <<<talk>>> to <<<YOOooooo>>>
    Who dares to talk to El Sombrero?
    dares: Ned
    does not dare: Julian shrinks in horror and warns others away

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  • From Dude@punditster@gmail.com to alt.buddha.short.fat.guy on Mon Mar 2 19:31:02 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.buddha.short.fat.guy

    On 3/2/2026 12:22 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
    On Mon, 2 Mar 2026 11:06:51 -0800, Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 3/2/2026 10:39 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
    On Mon, 2 Mar 2026 09:58:07 -0800, Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 3/1/2026 8:48 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
    On Sun, 1 Mar 2026 18:56:35 -0800, Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>
    On 3/1/2026 7:47 AM, Tara wrote:
    On Feb 28, 2026 at 4:54:18?PM EST, "Tara" <tsm@fastmail.ca> wrote: >>>>>>>
    Julian <julianlzb87@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 28/02/2026 20:46, Tara wrote:
    On Feb 28, 2026 at 11:39:43?AM EST, "Julian" <julianlzb87@gmail.com> wrote:

    rCyMan cannot stand a meaningless liferCO rCo a conversation with Carl Jung at 84


    Filmed for the BBC series Face to Face in 1959, this archival interview
    features Carl Jung surveying his life and extraordinarily influential
    career at the age of 84, just two years before his death. In >>>>>>>>>>> conversation with the UK presenter John Freeman at his home near Zurich,
    Switzerland, he answers a range of questions about his humble >>>>>>>>>>> upbringing, his contentious relationship with Freud, his fervent beliefs
    in God and the collective unconscious, and his thoughts on death and the
    future of humanity. JungrCOs answers are often quite candid and at times
    casually poetic, making for a riveting intimate encounter with one of
    the most important thinkers in the history of psychology. >>>>>>>>>>>
    https://psyche.co/videos/man-cannot-stand-a-meaningless-life-a-conversation-with-carl-jung-at-84

    Thank you so much for posting this. I've always been a Jungian - (never Freud
    ;)
    He addresses so many aspects of life, war, death and the psyche here.
    Question: "Do you believe in....?" Jung answers: "When I know a thing, I don't
    need to believe". .....

    He didn't leave much room for belief even when he didn't know something.



    Right. He relied on reason and empirical and personal evidence. >>>>>>>
    I don't believe - I either know or I know that I don't know.

    According to Jung, the collective unconscious is a segment of the
    deepest unconscious mind, genetically inherited rather than personally >>>>>> acquired.

    It is true that some creatures can inherit certain knowledge from
    parents. Crows do this for instance. Knowledge present as gene
    structures is evidence that proteins can code for knowledge in dna. It >>>>> is not evidence for genetic inheritance of a collective unconscious. >>>>> Although there might be such a thing or not.

    Key words: innate, universal.

    Carl Jung's theory of inherited, and recurring symbolic patterns or
    images that reside in the collective unconscious: a shared layer of the >>>> human psyche.

    These innate, pre-existing templates shape human experiences, behaviors, >>>> and emotions across cultures, manifesting in myths, dreams, and art
    found all over the earth in different cultures.

    You can repeat your assertion.

    Thanks.

    You will find my response 3 paras above.
    So, we agree, Jung might have been correct. But, what about Freud?

    They both posited the unconscious: Freud viewed the unconscious solely
    as a repository of repressed, often sexual, experiences. Jung argued it
    was also a source of creativity and contained the collective unconscious.

    That is the other half of the situation. Being Karl does not make him
    wrong, and being Jung (not freud) does not make him right.

    It looks like maybe you got Carl Jung mixed up with Karl Marx. They are
    not the same. Carl Jung was a Swiss psychiatrist and psychoanalyst who
    founded analytical psychology.

    For Jung, archetypes appear as universal figures or themes, such as the Mother, the Hero, the Shadow, or the Wise Old Man, in various cultures
    all over the world in history.

    They act as instinctual, organizing principles that structure how humans perceive and experience reality.

    We studied this in college: Psychology 101 - Freud and Jung Chapter 2

    "Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar." - Sigmund Freud


    Unconscious mind is common to all human beings and consists of
    universal, symbolic patterns known as archetypes.


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  • From Noah Sombrero@fedora@fea.st to alt.buddha.short.fat.guy on Mon Mar 2 22:40:32 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.buddha.short.fat.guy

    On Mon, 2 Mar 2026 19:31:02 -0800, Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 3/2/2026 12:22 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
    On Mon, 2 Mar 2026 11:06:51 -0800, Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 3/2/2026 10:39 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
    On Mon, 2 Mar 2026 09:58:07 -0800, Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 3/1/2026 8:48 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
    On Sun, 1 Mar 2026 18:56:35 -0800, Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>
    On 3/1/2026 7:47 AM, Tara wrote:
    On Feb 28, 2026 at 4:54:18?PM EST, "Tara" <tsm@fastmail.ca> wrote: >>>>>>>>
    Julian <julianlzb87@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 28/02/2026 20:46, Tara wrote:
    On Feb 28, 2026 at 11:39:43?AM EST, "Julian" <julianlzb87@gmail.com> wrote:

    aMan cannot stand a meaningless lifeA u a conversation with Carl Jung at 84


    Filmed for the BBC series Face to Face in 1959, this archival interview
    features Carl Jung surveying his life and extraordinarily influential
    career at the age of 84, just two years before his death. In >>>>>>>>>>>> conversation with the UK presenter John Freeman at his home near Zurich,
    Switzerland, he answers a range of questions about his humble >>>>>>>>>>>> upbringing, his contentious relationship with Freud, his fervent beliefs
    in God and the collective unconscious, and his thoughts on death and the
    future of humanity. JungAs answers are often quite candid and at times
    casually poetic, making for a riveting intimate encounter with one of
    the most important thinkers in the history of psychology. >>>>>>>>>>>>
    https://psyche.co/videos/man-cannot-stand-a-meaningless-life-a-conversation-with-carl-jung-at-84

    Thank you so much for posting this. I've always been a Jungian - (never Freud
    ;)
    He addresses so many aspects of life, war, death and the psyche here.
    Question: "Do you believe in....?" Jung answers: "When I know a thing, I don't
    need to believe". .....

    He didn't leave much room for belief even when he didn't know something.



    Right. He relied on reason and empirical and personal evidence. >>>>>>>>
    I don't believe - I either know or I know that I don't know.

    According to Jung, the collective unconscious is a segment of the >>>>>>> deepest unconscious mind, genetically inherited rather than personally >>>>>>> acquired.

    It is true that some creatures can inherit certain knowledge from
    parents. Crows do this for instance. Knowledge present as gene
    structures is evidence that proteins can code for knowledge in dna. It >>>>>> is not evidence for genetic inheritance of a collective unconscious. >>>>>> Although there might be such a thing or not.

    Key words: innate, universal.

    Carl Jung's theory of inherited, and recurring symbolic patterns or
    images that reside in the collective unconscious: a shared layer of the >>>>> human psyche.

    These innate, pre-existing templates shape human experiences, behaviors, >>>>> and emotions across cultures, manifesting in myths, dreams, and art
    found all over the earth in different cultures.

    You can repeat your assertion.

    Thanks.

    You will find my response 3 paras above.
    So, we agree, Jung might have been correct. But, what about Freud?

    They both posited the unconscious: Freud viewed the unconscious solely
    as a repository of repressed, often sexual, experiences. Jung argued it
    was also a source of creativity and contained the collective unconscious. >>
    That is the other half of the situation. Being Karl does not make him
    wrong, and being Jung (not freud) does not make him right.

    It looks like maybe you got Carl Jung mixed up with Karl Marx. They are
    not the same. Carl Jung was a Swiss psychiatrist and psychoanalyst who >founded analytical psychology.

    I think you completely misunderstood what I said....nevermind.

    For Jung, archetypes appear as universal figures or themes, such as the >Mother, the Hero, the Shadow, or the Wise Old Man, in various cultures
    all over the world in history.

    They act as instinctual, organizing principles that structure how humans >perceive and experience reality.

    We studied this in college: Psychology 101 - Freud and Jung Chapter 2

    "Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar." - Sigmund Freud


    Unconscious mind is common to all human beings and consists of
    universal, symbolic patterns known as archetypes.

    --
    Noah Sombrero mustachioed villain
    Don't get political with me young man
    or I'll tie you to a railroad track and
    <<<talk>>> to <<<YOOooooo>>>
    Who dares to talk to El Sombrero?
    dares: Ned
    does not dare: Julian shrinks in horror and warns others away

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  • From Tara@tsm@fastmail.ca to alt.buddha.short.fat.guy on Sat Feb 28 20:46:26 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.buddha.short.fat.guy

    On Feb 28, 2026 at 11:39:43rC>AM EST, "Julian" <julianlzb87@gmail.com> wrote:

    rCyMan cannot stand a meaningless liferCO rCo a conversation with Carl Jung at 84


    Filmed for the BBC series Face to Face in 1959, this archival interview features Carl Jung surveying his life and extraordinarily influential
    career at the age of 84, just two years before his death. In
    conversation with the UK presenter John Freeman at his home near Zurich, Switzerland, he answers a range of questions about his humble
    upbringing, his contentious relationship with Freud, his fervent beliefs
    in God and the collective unconscious, and his thoughts on death and the future of humanity. JungrCOs answers are often quite candid and at times casually poetic, making for a riveting intimate encounter with one of
    the most important thinkers in the history of psychology.

    https://psyche.co/videos/man-cannot-stand-a-meaningless-life-a-conversation-with-carl-jung-at-84

    Thank you so much for posting this. I've always been a Jungian - (never Freud ;)
    He addresses so many aspects of life, war, death and the psyche here. Question: "Do you believe in....?" Jung answers: "When I know a thing, I don't need to believe". .....
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  • From Julian@julianlzb87@gmail.com to alt.buddha.short.fat.guy on Sat Feb 28 20:54:02 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.buddha.short.fat.guy

    On 28/02/2026 20:46, Tara wrote:
    On Feb 28, 2026 at 11:39:43rC>AM EST, "Julian" <julianlzb87@gmail.com> wrote:

    rCyMan cannot stand a meaningless liferCO rCo a conversation with Carl Jung at 84


    Filmed for the BBC series Face to Face in 1959, this archival interview
    features Carl Jung surveying his life and extraordinarily influential
    career at the age of 84, just two years before his death. In
    conversation with the UK presenter John Freeman at his home near Zurich,
    Switzerland, he answers a range of questions about his humble
    upbringing, his contentious relationship with Freud, his fervent beliefs
    in God and the collective unconscious, and his thoughts on death and the
    future of humanity. JungrCOs answers are often quite candid and at times
    casually poetic, making for a riveting intimate encounter with one of
    the most important thinkers in the history of psychology.

    https://psyche.co/videos/man-cannot-stand-a-meaningless-life-a-conversation-with-carl-jung-at-84

    Thank you so much for posting this. I've always been a Jungian - (never Freud ;)
    He addresses so many aspects of life, war, death and the psyche here. Question: "Do you believe in....?" Jung answers: "When I know a thing, I don't
    need to believe". .....

    He didn't leave much room for belief even when he didn't know something.

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  • From Tara@tsm@fastmail.ca to alt.buddha.short.fat.guy on Sat Feb 28 21:54:18 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.buddha.short.fat.guy

    Julian <julianlzb87@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 28/02/2026 20:46, Tara wrote:
    On Feb 28, 2026 at 11:39:43rC>AM EST, "Julian" <julianlzb87@gmail.com> wrote:

    rCyMan cannot stand a meaningless liferCO rCo a conversation with Carl Jung at 84


    Filmed for the BBC series Face to Face in 1959, this archival interview
    features Carl Jung surveying his life and extraordinarily influential
    career at the age of 84, just two years before his death. In
    conversation with the UK presenter John Freeman at his home near Zurich, >>> Switzerland, he answers a range of questions about his humble
    upbringing, his contentious relationship with Freud, his fervent beliefs >>> in God and the collective unconscious, and his thoughts on death and the >>> future of humanity. JungrCOs answers are often quite candid and at times >>> casually poetic, making for a riveting intimate encounter with one of
    the most important thinkers in the history of psychology.

    https://psyche.co/videos/man-cannot-stand-a-meaningless-life-a-conversation-with-carl-jung-at-84

    Thank you so much for posting this. I've always been a Jungian - (never Freud
    ;)
    He addresses so many aspects of life, war, death and the psyche here.
    Question: "Do you believe in....?" Jung answers: "When I know a thing, I don't
    need to believe". .....

    He didn't leave much room for belief even when he didn't know something.



    Right. He relied on reason and empirical and personal evidence.

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  • From Dude@punditster@gmail.com to alt.buddha.short.fat.guy on Mon Mar 2 09:58:07 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.buddha.short.fat.guy

    On 3/1/2026 8:48 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
    On Sun, 1 Mar 2026 18:56:35 -0800, Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 3/1/2026 7:47 AM, Tara wrote:
    On Feb 28, 2026 at 4:54:18?PM EST, "Tara" <tsm@fastmail.ca> wrote:

    Julian <julianlzb87@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 28/02/2026 20:46, Tara wrote:
    On Feb 28, 2026 at 11:39:43?AM EST, "Julian" <julianlzb87@gmail.com> wrote:

    rCyMan cannot stand a meaningless liferCO rCo a conversation with Carl Jung at 84


    Filmed for the BBC series Face to Face in 1959, this archival interview >>>>>>> features Carl Jung surveying his life and extraordinarily influential >>>>>>> career at the age of 84, just two years before his death. In
    conversation with the UK presenter John Freeman at his home near Zurich,
    Switzerland, he answers a range of questions about his humble
    upbringing, his contentious relationship with Freud, his fervent beliefs
    in God and the collective unconscious, and his thoughts on death and the
    future of humanity. JungrCOs answers are often quite candid and at times
    casually poetic, making for a riveting intimate encounter with one of >>>>>>> the most important thinkers in the history of psychology.

    https://psyche.co/videos/man-cannot-stand-a-meaningless-life-a-conversation-with-carl-jung-at-84

    Thank you so much for posting this. I've always been a Jungian - (never Freud
    ;)
    He addresses so many aspects of life, war, death and the psyche here. >>>>>> Question: "Do you believe in....?" Jung answers: "When I know a thing, I don't
    need to believe". .....

    He didn't leave much room for belief even when he didn't know something. >>>>>


    Right. He relied on reason and empirical and personal evidence.

    I don't believe - I either know or I know that I don't know.

    According to Jung, the collective unconscious is a segment of the
    deepest unconscious mind, genetically inherited rather than personally
    acquired.

    It is true that some creatures can inherit certain knowledge from
    parents. Crows do this for instance. Knowledge present as gene
    structures is evidence that proteins can code for knowledge in dna. It
    is not evidence for genetic inheritance of a collective unconscious.
    Although there might be such a thing or not.

    Key words: innate, universal.

    Carl Jung's theory of inherited, and recurring symbolic patterns or
    images that reside in the collective unconscious: a shared layer of the
    human psyche.

    These innate, pre-existing templates shape human experiences, behaviors,
    and emotions across cultures, manifesting in myths, dreams, and art
    found all over the earth in different cultures.


    Unconscious mind is common to all human beings and consists of
    universal, symbolic patterns known as archetypes.

    In other words patterned thinking rather than original new thought.
    Bad news if true.

    Nihilism.
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  • From Noah Sombrero@fedora@fea.st to alt.buddha.short.fat.guy on Mon Mar 2 13:39:35 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.buddha.short.fat.guy

    On Mon, 2 Mar 2026 09:58:07 -0800, Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 3/1/2026 8:48 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
    On Sun, 1 Mar 2026 18:56:35 -0800, Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 3/1/2026 7:47 AM, Tara wrote:
    On Feb 28, 2026 at 4:54:18?PM EST, "Tara" <tsm@fastmail.ca> wrote:

    Julian <julianlzb87@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 28/02/2026 20:46, Tara wrote:
    On Feb 28, 2026 at 11:39:43?AM EST, "Julian" <julianlzb87@gmail.com> wrote:

    aMan cannot stand a meaningless lifeA u a conversation with Carl Jung at 84


    Filmed for the BBC series Face to Face in 1959, this archival interview
    features Carl Jung surveying his life and extraordinarily influential >>>>>>>> career at the age of 84, just two years before his death. In
    conversation with the UK presenter John Freeman at his home near Zurich,
    Switzerland, he answers a range of questions about his humble
    upbringing, his contentious relationship with Freud, his fervent beliefs
    in God and the collective unconscious, and his thoughts on death and the
    future of humanity. JungAs answers are often quite candid and at times >>>>>>>> casually poetic, making for a riveting intimate encounter with one of >>>>>>>> the most important thinkers in the history of psychology.

    https://psyche.co/videos/man-cannot-stand-a-meaningless-life-a-conversation-with-carl-jung-at-84

    Thank you so much for posting this. I've always been a Jungian - (never Freud
    ;)
    He addresses so many aspects of life, war, death and the psyche here. >>>>>>> Question: "Do you believe in....?" Jung answers: "When I know a thing, I don't
    need to believe". .....

    He didn't leave much room for belief even when he didn't know something. >>>>>>


    Right. He relied on reason and empirical and personal evidence.

    I don't believe - I either know or I know that I don't know.

    According to Jung, the collective unconscious is a segment of the
    deepest unconscious mind, genetically inherited rather than personally
    acquired.

    It is true that some creatures can inherit certain knowledge from
    parents. Crows do this for instance. Knowledge present as gene
    structures is evidence that proteins can code for knowledge in dna. It
    is not evidence for genetic inheritance of a collective unconscious.
    Although there might be such a thing or not.

    Key words: innate, universal.

    Carl Jung's theory of inherited, and recurring symbolic patterns or
    images that reside in the collective unconscious: a shared layer of the >human psyche.

    These innate, pre-existing templates shape human experiences, behaviors,
    and emotions across cultures, manifesting in myths, dreams, and art
    found all over the earth in different cultures.

    You can repeat your assertion. You will find my response 3 paras
    above.



    Unconscious mind is common to all human beings and consists of
    universal, symbolic patterns known as archetypes.

    In other words patterned thinking rather than original new thought.
    Bad news if true.

    Nihilism.
    --
    Noah Sombrero mustachioed villain
    Don't get political with me young man
    or I'll tie you to a railroad track and
    <<<talk>>> to <<<YOOooooo>>>
    Who dares to talk to El Sombrero?
    dares: Ned
    does not dare: Julian shrinks in horror and warns others away

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  • From Dude@punditster@gmail.com to alt.buddha.short.fat.guy on Mon Mar 2 11:06:51 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.buddha.short.fat.guy

    On 3/2/2026 10:39 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
    On Mon, 2 Mar 2026 09:58:07 -0800, Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 3/1/2026 8:48 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
    On Sun, 1 Mar 2026 18:56:35 -0800, Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 3/1/2026 7:47 AM, Tara wrote:
    On Feb 28, 2026 at 4:54:18?PM EST, "Tara" <tsm@fastmail.ca> wrote:

    Julian <julianlzb87@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 28/02/2026 20:46, Tara wrote:
    On Feb 28, 2026 at 11:39:43?AM EST, "Julian" <julianlzb87@gmail.com> wrote:

    rCyMan cannot stand a meaningless liferCO rCo a conversation with Carl Jung at 84


    Filmed for the BBC series Face to Face in 1959, this archival interview
    features Carl Jung surveying his life and extraordinarily influential >>>>>>>>> career at the age of 84, just two years before his death. In >>>>>>>>> conversation with the UK presenter John Freeman at his home near Zurich,
    Switzerland, he answers a range of questions about his humble >>>>>>>>> upbringing, his contentious relationship with Freud, his fervent beliefs
    in God and the collective unconscious, and his thoughts on death and the
    future of humanity. JungrCOs answers are often quite candid and at times
    casually poetic, making for a riveting intimate encounter with one of >>>>>>>>> the most important thinkers in the history of psychology.

    https://psyche.co/videos/man-cannot-stand-a-meaningless-life-a-conversation-with-carl-jung-at-84

    Thank you so much for posting this. I've always been a Jungian - (never Freud
    ;)
    He addresses so many aspects of life, war, death and the psyche here. >>>>>>>> Question: "Do you believe in....?" Jung answers: "When I know a thing, I don't
    need to believe". .....

    He didn't leave much room for belief even when he didn't know something.



    Right. He relied on reason and empirical and personal evidence.

    I don't believe - I either know or I know that I don't know.

    According to Jung, the collective unconscious is a segment of the
    deepest unconscious mind, genetically inherited rather than personally >>>> acquired.

    It is true that some creatures can inherit certain knowledge from
    parents. Crows do this for instance. Knowledge present as gene
    structures is evidence that proteins can code for knowledge in dna. It
    is not evidence for genetic inheritance of a collective unconscious.
    Although there might be such a thing or not.

    Key words: innate, universal.

    Carl Jung's theory of inherited, and recurring symbolic patterns or
    images that reside in the collective unconscious: a shared layer of the
    human psyche.

    These innate, pre-existing templates shape human experiences, behaviors,
    and emotions across cultures, manifesting in myths, dreams, and art
    found all over the earth in different cultures.

    You can repeat your assertion.

    Thanks.

    You will find my response 3 paras above.
    So, we agree, Jung might have been correct. But, what about Freud?

    They both posited the unconscious: Freud viewed the unconscious solely
    as a repository of repressed, often sexual, experiences. Jung argued it
    was also a source of creativity and contained the collective unconscious.


    Unconscious mind is common to all human beings and consists of
    universal, symbolic patterns known as archetypes.


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  • From Noah Sombrero@fedora@fea.st to alt.buddha.short.fat.guy on Mon Mar 2 15:22:58 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.buddha.short.fat.guy

    On Mon, 2 Mar 2026 11:06:51 -0800, Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 3/2/2026 10:39 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
    On Mon, 2 Mar 2026 09:58:07 -0800, Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 3/1/2026 8:48 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
    On Sun, 1 Mar 2026 18:56:35 -0800, Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 3/1/2026 7:47 AM, Tara wrote:
    On Feb 28, 2026 at 4:54:18?PM EST, "Tara" <tsm@fastmail.ca> wrote: >>>>>>
    Julian <julianlzb87@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 28/02/2026 20:46, Tara wrote:
    On Feb 28, 2026 at 11:39:43?AM EST, "Julian" <julianlzb87@gmail.com> wrote:

    aMan cannot stand a meaningless lifeA u a conversation with Carl Jung at 84


    Filmed for the BBC series Face to Face in 1959, this archival interview
    features Carl Jung surveying his life and extraordinarily influential
    career at the age of 84, just two years before his death. In >>>>>>>>>> conversation with the UK presenter John Freeman at his home near Zurich,
    Switzerland, he answers a range of questions about his humble >>>>>>>>>> upbringing, his contentious relationship with Freud, his fervent beliefs
    in God and the collective unconscious, and his thoughts on death and the
    future of humanity. JungAs answers are often quite candid and at times
    casually poetic, making for a riveting intimate encounter with one of
    the most important thinkers in the history of psychology.

    https://psyche.co/videos/man-cannot-stand-a-meaningless-life-a-conversation-with-carl-jung-at-84

    Thank you so much for posting this. I've always been a Jungian - (never Freud
    ;)
    He addresses so many aspects of life, war, death and the psyche here. >>>>>>>>> Question: "Do you believe in....?" Jung answers: "When I know a thing, I don't
    need to believe". .....

    He didn't leave much room for belief even when he didn't know something.



    Right. He relied on reason and empirical and personal evidence.

    I don't believe - I either know or I know that I don't know.

    According to Jung, the collective unconscious is a segment of the
    deepest unconscious mind, genetically inherited rather than personally >>>>> acquired.

    It is true that some creatures can inherit certain knowledge from
    parents. Crows do this for instance. Knowledge present as gene
    structures is evidence that proteins can code for knowledge in dna. It >>>> is not evidence for genetic inheritance of a collective unconscious.
    Although there might be such a thing or not.

    Key words: innate, universal.

    Carl Jung's theory of inherited, and recurring symbolic patterns or
    images that reside in the collective unconscious: a shared layer of the
    human psyche.

    These innate, pre-existing templates shape human experiences, behaviors, >>> and emotions across cultures, manifesting in myths, dreams, and art
    found all over the earth in different cultures.

    You can repeat your assertion.

    Thanks.

    You will find my response 3 paras above.
    So, we agree, Jung might have been correct. But, what about Freud?

    They both posited the unconscious: Freud viewed the unconscious solely
    as a repository of repressed, often sexual, experiences. Jung argued it
    was also a source of creativity and contained the collective unconscious.

    That is the other half of the situation. Being Karl does not make him
    wrong, and being Jung (not freud) does not make him right.


    Unconscious mind is common to all human beings and consists of
    universal, symbolic patterns known as archetypes.

    --
    Noah Sombrero mustachioed villain
    Don't get political with me young man
    or I'll tie you to a railroad track and
    <<<talk>>> to <<<YOOooooo>>>
    Who dares to talk to El Sombrero?
    dares: Ned
    does not dare: Julian shrinks in horror and warns others away

    --- Synchronet 3.21d-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Dude@punditster@gmail.com to alt.buddha.short.fat.guy on Tue Mar 3 13:23:27 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.buddha.short.fat.guy

    On 3/2/2026 7:40 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
    On Mon, 2 Mar 2026 19:31:02 -0800, Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 3/2/2026 12:22 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
    On Mon, 2 Mar 2026 11:06:51 -0800, Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 3/2/2026 10:39 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
    On Mon, 2 Mar 2026 09:58:07 -0800, Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>
    On 3/1/2026 8:48 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
    On Sun, 1 Mar 2026 18:56:35 -0800, Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>
    On 3/1/2026 7:47 AM, Tara wrote:
    On Feb 28, 2026 at 4:54:18?PM EST, "Tara" <tsm@fastmail.ca> wrote: >>>>>>>>>
    Julian <julianlzb87@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 28/02/2026 20:46, Tara wrote:
    On Feb 28, 2026 at 11:39:43?AM EST, "Julian" <julianlzb87@gmail.com> wrote:

    rCyMan cannot stand a meaningless liferCO rCo a conversation with Carl Jung at 84


    Filmed for the BBC series Face to Face in 1959, this archival interview
    features Carl Jung surveying his life and extraordinarily influential
    career at the age of 84, just two years before his death. In >>>>>>>>>>>>> conversation with the UK presenter John Freeman at his home near Zurich,
    Switzerland, he answers a range of questions about his humble >>>>>>>>>>>>> upbringing, his contentious relationship with Freud, his fervent beliefs
    in God and the collective unconscious, and his thoughts on death and the
    future of humanity. JungrCOs answers are often quite candid and at times
    casually poetic, making for a riveting intimate encounter with one of
    the most important thinkers in the history of psychology. >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    https://psyche.co/videos/man-cannot-stand-a-meaningless-life-a-conversation-with-carl-jung-at-84

    Thank you so much for posting this. I've always been a Jungian - (never Freud
    ;)
    He addresses so many aspects of life, war, death and the psyche here.
    Question: "Do you believe in....?" Jung answers: "When I know a thing, I don't
    need to believe". .....

    He didn't leave much room for belief even when he didn't know something.



    Right. He relied on reason and empirical and personal evidence. >>>>>>>>>
    I don't believe - I either know or I know that I don't know. >>>>>>>>>
    According to Jung, the collective unconscious is a segment of the >>>>>>>> deepest unconscious mind, genetically inherited rather than personally >>>>>>>> acquired.

    It is true that some creatures can inherit certain knowledge from >>>>>>> parents. Crows do this for instance. Knowledge present as gene >>>>>>> structures is evidence that proteins can code for knowledge in dna. It >>>>>>> is not evidence for genetic inheritance of a collective unconscious. >>>>>>> Although there might be such a thing or not.

    Key words: innate, universal.

    Carl Jung's theory of inherited, and recurring symbolic patterns or >>>>>> images that reside in the collective unconscious: a shared layer of the >>>>>> human psyche.

    These innate, pre-existing templates shape human experiences, behaviors, >>>>>> and emotions across cultures, manifesting in myths, dreams, and art >>>>>> found all over the earth in different cultures.

    You can repeat your assertion.

    Thanks.

    You will find my response 3 paras above.
    So, we agree, Jung might have been correct. But, what about Freud?

    They both posited the unconscious: Freud viewed the unconscious solely >>>> as a repository of repressed, often sexual, experiences. Jung argued it >>>> was also a source of creativity and contained the collective unconscious. >>>
    That is the other half of the situation. Being Karl does not make him
    wrong, and being Jung (not freud) does not make him right.

    It looks like maybe you got Carl Jung mixed up with Karl Marx. They are
    not the same. Carl Jung was a Swiss psychiatrist and psychoanalyst who
    founded analytical psychology.

    I think you completely misunderstood what I said....nevermind.

    Reminder: We are discussing Carl Jung and the film for the BBC series
    Face to Face. Carl Jung. Do you remember him from junior college
    psychology class? It's a required course for graduation. YMMV.
    --- Synchronet 3.21d-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Noah Sombrero@fedora@fea.st to alt.buddha.short.fat.guy on Tue Mar 3 16:31:47 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.buddha.short.fat.guy

    On Tue, 3 Mar 2026 13:23:27 -0800, Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 3/2/2026 7:40 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
    On Mon, 2 Mar 2026 19:31:02 -0800, Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 3/2/2026 12:22 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
    On Mon, 2 Mar 2026 11:06:51 -0800, Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 3/2/2026 10:39 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
    On Mon, 2 Mar 2026 09:58:07 -0800, Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>
    On 3/1/2026 8:48 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
    On Sun, 1 Mar 2026 18:56:35 -0800, Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>
    On 3/1/2026 7:47 AM, Tara wrote:
    On Feb 28, 2026 at 4:54:18?PM EST, "Tara" <tsm@fastmail.ca> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>
    Julian <julianlzb87@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 28/02/2026 20:46, Tara wrote:
    On Feb 28, 2026 at 11:39:43?AM EST, "Julian" <julianlzb87@gmail.com> wrote:

    aMan cannot stand a meaningless lifeA u a conversation with Carl Jung at 84


    Filmed for the BBC series Face to Face in 1959, this archival interview
    features Carl Jung surveying his life and extraordinarily influential
    career at the age of 84, just two years before his death. In >>>>>>>>>>>>>> conversation with the UK presenter John Freeman at his home near Zurich,
    Switzerland, he answers a range of questions about his humble >>>>>>>>>>>>>> upbringing, his contentious relationship with Freud, his fervent beliefs
    in God and the collective unconscious, and his thoughts on death and the
    future of humanity. JungAs answers are often quite candid and at times
    casually poetic, making for a riveting intimate encounter with one of
    the most important thinkers in the history of psychology. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    https://psyche.co/videos/man-cannot-stand-a-meaningless-life-a-conversation-with-carl-jung-at-84

    Thank you so much for posting this. I've always been a Jungian - (never Freud
    ;)
    He addresses so many aspects of life, war, death and the psyche here.
    Question: "Do you believe in....?" Jung answers: "When I know a thing, I don't
    need to believe". .....

    He didn't leave much room for belief even when he didn't know something.



    Right. He relied on reason and empirical and personal evidence. >>>>>>>>>>
    I don't believe - I either know or I know that I don't know. >>>>>>>>>>
    According to Jung, the collective unconscious is a segment of the >>>>>>>>> deepest unconscious mind, genetically inherited rather than personally
    acquired.

    It is true that some creatures can inherit certain knowledge from >>>>>>>> parents. Crows do this for instance. Knowledge present as gene >>>>>>>> structures is evidence that proteins can code for knowledge in dna. It >>>>>>>> is not evidence for genetic inheritance of a collective unconscious. >>>>>>>> Although there might be such a thing or not.

    Key words: innate, universal.

    Carl Jung's theory of inherited, and recurring symbolic patterns or >>>>>>> images that reside in the collective unconscious: a shared layer of the >>>>>>> human psyche.

    These innate, pre-existing templates shape human experiences, behaviors,
    and emotions across cultures, manifesting in myths, dreams, and art >>>>>>> found all over the earth in different cultures.

    You can repeat your assertion.

    Thanks.

    You will find my response 3 paras above.
    So, we agree, Jung might have been correct. But, what about Freud?

    They both posited the unconscious: Freud viewed the unconscious solely >>>>> as a repository of repressed, often sexual, experiences. Jung argued it >>>>> was also a source of creativity and contained the collective unconscious. >>>>
    That is the other half of the situation. Being Karl does not make him >>>> wrong, and being Jung (not freud) does not make him right.

    It looks like maybe you got Carl Jung mixed up with Karl Marx. They are
    not the same. Carl Jung was a Swiss psychiatrist and psychoanalyst who
    founded analytical psychology.

    I think you completely misunderstood what I said....nevermind.

    Reminder: We are discussing Carl Jung and the film for the BBC series
    Face to Face. Carl Jung. Do you remember him from junior college
    psychology class? It's a required course for graduation. YMMV.

    Karl and jung. Yes. Neither is always wrong and neither is always
    right.
    --
    Noah Sombrero mustachioed villain
    Don't get political with me young man
    or I'll tie you to a railroad track and
    <<<talk>>> to <<<YOOooooo>>>
    Who dares to talk to El Sombrero?
    dares: Ned
    does not dare: Julian shrinks in horror and warns others away

    --- Synchronet 3.21d-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Dude@punditster@gmail.com to alt.buddha.short.fat.guy on Tue Mar 3 17:02:26 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.buddha.short.fat.guy

    On 3/3/2026 1:31 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
    On Tue, 3 Mar 2026 13:23:27 -0800, Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 3/2/2026 7:40 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
    On Mon, 2 Mar 2026 19:31:02 -0800, Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 3/2/2026 12:22 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
    On Mon, 2 Mar 2026 11:06:51 -0800, Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>
    On 3/2/2026 10:39 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
    On Mon, 2 Mar 2026 09:58:07 -0800, Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>
    On 3/1/2026 8:48 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
    On Sun, 1 Mar 2026 18:56:35 -0800, Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>
    On 3/1/2026 7:47 AM, Tara wrote:
    On Feb 28, 2026 at 4:54:18?PM EST, "Tara" <tsm@fastmail.ca> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>
    Julian <julianlzb87@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 28/02/2026 20:46, Tara wrote:
    On Feb 28, 2026 at 11:39:43?AM EST, "Julian" <julianlzb87@gmail.com> wrote:

    rCyMan cannot stand a meaningless liferCO rCo a conversation with Carl Jung at 84


    Filmed for the BBC series Face to Face in 1959, this archival interview
    features Carl Jung surveying his life and extraordinarily influential
    career at the age of 84, just two years before his death. In >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> conversation with the UK presenter John Freeman at his home near Zurich,
    Switzerland, he answers a range of questions about his humble >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> upbringing, his contentious relationship with Freud, his fervent beliefs
    in God and the collective unconscious, and his thoughts on death and the
    future of humanity. JungrCOs answers are often quite candid and at times
    casually poetic, making for a riveting intimate encounter with one of
    the most important thinkers in the history of psychology. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    https://psyche.co/videos/man-cannot-stand-a-meaningless-life-a-conversation-with-carl-jung-at-84

    Thank you so much for posting this. I've always been a Jungian - (never Freud
    ;)
    He addresses so many aspects of life, war, death and the psyche here.
    Question: "Do you believe in....?" Jung answers: "When I know a thing, I don't
    need to believe". .....

    He didn't leave much room for belief even when he didn't know something.



    Right. He relied on reason and empirical and personal evidence. >>>>>>>>>>>
    I don't believe - I either know or I know that I don't know. >>>>>>>>>>>
    According to Jung, the collective unconscious is a segment of the >>>>>>>>>> deepest unconscious mind, genetically inherited rather than personally
    acquired.

    It is true that some creatures can inherit certain knowledge from >>>>>>>>> parents. Crows do this for instance. Knowledge present as gene >>>>>>>>> structures is evidence that proteins can code for knowledge in dna. It
    is not evidence for genetic inheritance of a collective unconscious. >>>>>>>>> Although there might be such a thing or not.

    Key words: innate, universal.

    Carl Jung's theory of inherited, and recurring symbolic patterns or >>>>>>>> images that reside in the collective unconscious: a shared layer of the
    human psyche.

    These innate, pre-existing templates shape human experiences, behaviors,
    and emotions across cultures, manifesting in myths, dreams, and art >>>>>>>> found all over the earth in different cultures.

    You can repeat your assertion.

    Thanks.

    You will find my response 3 paras above.
    So, we agree, Jung might have been correct. But, what about Freud? >>>>>>
    They both posited the unconscious: Freud viewed the unconscious solely >>>>>> as a repository of repressed, often sexual, experiences. Jung argued it >>>>>> was also a source of creativity and contained the collective unconscious.

    That is the other half of the situation. Being Karl does not make him >>>>> wrong, and being Jung (not freud) does not make him right.

    It looks like maybe you got Carl Jung mixed up with Karl Marx. They are >>>> not the same. Carl Jung was a Swiss psychiatrist and psychoanalyst who >>>> founded analytical psychology.

    I think you completely misunderstood what I said....nevermind.

    Reminder: We are discussing Carl Jung and the film for the BBC series
    Face to Face. Carl Jung. Do you remember him from junior college
    psychology class? It's a required course for graduation. YMMV.

    Karl and jung. Yes. Neither is always wrong and neither is always
    right.

    Apparently, they agreed, humans have an inborn collective unconscious manifesting in myths, dreams, and art and sexual dreams and overt behavior.

    Sigmund Freud (1856rCo1939): founder of psychoanalysis. One of the most influential thinkers of the 20th century.

    "Some people just feel better when they have someone to talk to." -
    Sigmund Freud
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  • From Noah Sombrero@fedora@fea.st to alt.buddha.short.fat.guy on Tue Mar 3 20:20:42 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.buddha.short.fat.guy

    On Tue, 3 Mar 2026 17:02:26 -0800, Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 3/3/2026 1:31 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
    On Tue, 3 Mar 2026 13:23:27 -0800, Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 3/2/2026 7:40 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
    On Mon, 2 Mar 2026 19:31:02 -0800, Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 3/2/2026 12:22 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
    On Mon, 2 Mar 2026 11:06:51 -0800, Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>
    On 3/2/2026 10:39 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
    On Mon, 2 Mar 2026 09:58:07 -0800, Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>
    On 3/1/2026 8:48 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
    On Sun, 1 Mar 2026 18:56:35 -0800, Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 3/1/2026 7:47 AM, Tara wrote:
    On Feb 28, 2026 at 4:54:18?PM EST, "Tara" <tsm@fastmail.ca> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>
    Julian <julianlzb87@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 28/02/2026 20:46, Tara wrote:
    On Feb 28, 2026 at 11:39:43?AM EST, "Julian" <julianlzb87@gmail.com> wrote:

    aMan cannot stand a meaningless lifeA u a conversation with Carl Jung at 84


    Filmed for the BBC series Face to Face in 1959, this archival interview
    features Carl Jung surveying his life and extraordinarily influential
    career at the age of 84, just two years before his death. In >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> conversation with the UK presenter John Freeman at his home near Zurich,
    Switzerland, he answers a range of questions about his humble >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> upbringing, his contentious relationship with Freud, his fervent beliefs
    in God and the collective unconscious, and his thoughts on death and the
    future of humanity. JungAs answers are often quite candid and at times
    casually poetic, making for a riveting intimate encounter with one of
    the most important thinkers in the history of psychology. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    https://psyche.co/videos/man-cannot-stand-a-meaningless-life-a-conversation-with-carl-jung-at-84

    Thank you so much for posting this. I've always been a Jungian - (never Freud
    ;)
    He addresses so many aspects of life, war, death and the psyche here.
    Question: "Do you believe in....?" Jung answers: "When I know a thing, I don't
    need to believe". .....

    He didn't leave much room for belief even when he didn't know something.



    Right. He relied on reason and empirical and personal evidence. >>>>>>>>>>>>
    I don't believe - I either know or I know that I don't know. >>>>>>>>>>>>
    According to Jung, the collective unconscious is a segment of the >>>>>>>>>>> deepest unconscious mind, genetically inherited rather than personally
    acquired.

    It is true that some creatures can inherit certain knowledge from >>>>>>>>>> parents. Crows do this for instance. Knowledge present as gene >>>>>>>>>> structures is evidence that proteins can code for knowledge in dna. It
    is not evidence for genetic inheritance of a collective unconscious. >>>>>>>>>> Although there might be such a thing or not.

    Key words: innate, universal.

    Carl Jung's theory of inherited, and recurring symbolic patterns or >>>>>>>>> images that reside in the collective unconscious: a shared layer of the
    human psyche.

    These innate, pre-existing templates shape human experiences, behaviors,
    and emotions across cultures, manifesting in myths, dreams, and art >>>>>>>>> found all over the earth in different cultures.

    You can repeat your assertion.

    Thanks.

    You will find my response 3 paras above.
    So, we agree, Jung might have been correct. But, what about Freud? >>>>>>>
    They both posited the unconscious: Freud viewed the unconscious solely >>>>>>> as a repository of repressed, often sexual, experiences. Jung argued it >>>>>>> was also a source of creativity and contained the collective unconscious.

    That is the other half of the situation. Being Karl does not make him >>>>>> wrong, and being Jung (not freud) does not make him right.

    It looks like maybe you got Carl Jung mixed up with Karl Marx. They are >>>>> not the same. Carl Jung was a Swiss psychiatrist and psychoanalyst who >>>>> founded analytical psychology.

    I think you completely misunderstood what I said....nevermind.

    Reminder: We are discussing Carl Jung and the film for the BBC series
    Face to Face. Carl Jung. Do you remember him from junior college
    psychology class? It's a required course for graduation. YMMV.

    Karl and jung. Yes. Neither is always wrong and neither is always
    right.

    Apparently, they agreed, humans have an inborn collective unconscious >manifesting in myths, dreams, and art and sexual dreams and overt behavior.

    Sigmund Freud (1856u1939): founder of psychoanalysis. One of the most >influential thinkers of the 20th century.

    "Some people just feel better when they have someone to talk to." -
    Sigmund Freud

    On the other hand, everything reduced down to sexuality for freud.
    Jung would not agree. Not that both are not giants of psychotherapy.
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    Don't get political with me young man
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