• Britain is on course for a blasphemy law by the back door, and a recent case might open it

    From Julian@julianlzb87@gmail.com to alt.buddha.short.fat.guy on Tue Feb 24 17:37:40 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.buddha.short.fat.guy

    If the Crown Prosecution Service gets their way, we could very well be
    living in a country with an Islamic blasphemy law.

    Last February, Hamit Coskun burned a Quran outside the Turkish consulate
    in Knightsbridge in a one-man protest against what he perceives as the Islamification of his home country, Turkey. As he shouted, rCLIslam is the religion of terrorismrCY, a religious fanatic, Moussa Kadri, violently attacked him. He spat at him, kicked him and slashed at him with a blade.

    Naturally, one would assume that of the two men, the individual wielding
    a knife on the streets of London would face the full force of the law. Instead, the attacker avoided jail time, while Hamit rCo a man who had
    fled persecution in Turkey rCo was convicted of a religiously aggravated public order offence. Little has been said about the Deliveroo rider who reportedly joined in the assault.

    Burning a holy scripture rCo any holy scripture rCo is undoubtedly controversial. But it is not illegal.

    Just because something offends polite society does not make it a crime.
    This case goes to the heart of freedom of expression and protest rCo and
    to the proper limits of the criminal law.

    Parliament abolished blasphemy laws in England and Wales 18 years ago,
    under the last Labour government. Scotland followed suit in 2021 through
    the Hate Crime and Public Order (Scotland) Act. The last execution for blasphemy in Britain took place in 1697. We rightly regarded such laws
    as relics of a less tolerant age.

    It is also worth remembering that BritainrCOs historic blasphemy laws protected Christianity alone. Yet we now stand on the cusp of something altogether different: a de facto Islamic blasphemy code that would
    silence criticism of Islam and its practices. And it is emerging not
    through Parliament, but through the combined and intentioned actions of
    the Labour government and the Crown Prosecution Service.

    In October, it appeared that some rare common sense had prevailed. Mr
    Justice Bennathan overturned HamitrCOs conviction, recognising that while
    his actions may have been deeply upsetting to Muslims, freedom of
    expression rCLmust include the right to express views that offend, shock
    or disturb.rCY

    The Crown Prosecution Service was not prepared to leave it there.

    The CPS has sought to overturn that ruling on appeal. The stakes could
    not be higher. If the Crown succeeds, it will effectively revive
    BritainrCOs blasphemy laws. It will send a message that criticism of
    Islam, even in the context of political protest, may be treated as
    criminal if it causes offence. Most concerningly of all, it will signal
    to religious fanatics that should they wish to violently enforce the
    Islamic blasphemy code, they can do so with the nod of the CPS.

    It is inconceivable that someone would be prosecuted in StarmerrCOs
    Britain for setting a copy of the Bible alight rCo a point that the then Shadow Justice Secretary Robert Jenrick articulated last year when he questioned whether the CPS would even bat an eyelid should someone have
    burnt a Torah scroll outside the Israeli embassy or a Bible outside the Apostolic Nunciature. The principle must be consistent. The law cannot
    operate on different standards depending on the religion concerned.

    In what may be the most damning indictment of all, senior figures in the
    Trump administration have indicated they would consider granting Hamit
    Coskun political asylum should his conviction ultimately stand. The
    notion that Britain rCo the birthplace of free speechrCo could produce its first free speech refugee is a damning indictment of Keir StarmerrCOs government .

    Hamit himself has said that if he loses, he will have no choice but to
    flee once again rCo this time across the Atlantic. If he wins, it will set
    an important precedent affirming that freedom of expression in this
    country still means something.

    But even if the CPS loses, the broader direction of travel remains
    troubling.

    A blasphemy law may yet arrive in another form rCo through the
    GovernmentrCOs proposed official definition of rCLanti-Muslim hostilityrCY, formerly branded as Islamophobia. This ever-expanding definition is
    expected to include concepts such as racialisation and prejudicial stereotyping. However well-intentioned, such elastic language risks
    having a chilling effect on free speech and silencing legitimate debate
    on issues ranging from Islamist extremism to the grooming gang scandal.

    Perhaps most alarming of all is the composition of the working group
    tasked by Angela Rayner with drafting this definition. An investigative briefing by the Free Speech Union found that all five members appointed
    to the group have had connections to Islamist-linked organisations,
    including the Muslim Council of Britain (MCB) and Muslim Engagement and Development (MEND). That alone warrants serious scrutiny.

    Britain abolished its blasphemy laws because they were incompatible with
    a free society. We understood that beliefs rCo religious or otherwise rCo
    are not entitled to protection from insult, however distasteful.

    If the CPS appeal succeeds, we will have taken a decisive step backwards.


    Max Thompson
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  • From Dude@punditster@gmail.com to alt.buddha.short.fat.guy on Thu Feb 26 12:35:56 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.buddha.short.fat.guy

    On 2/24/2026 11:59 AM, Dude wrote:
    On 2/24/2026 9:37 AM, Julian wrote:
    If the Crown Prosecution Service gets their way, we could very well be
    living in a country with an Islamic blasphemy law.

    Arrest that man! He posted a rude comment on X about the Prophet.

    "By Allah, I know you are but a stone, but I saw the prophet kiss you."
    Omar Ibn al-Khattab, the second Caliph of Islam

    So, the former UK Trade Minister and former British Ambassador to the
    US, discussed trade with Epstein, so they arrested him. Prime Minister StarmerrCOs number one guy in Washington, over his ties to Jeffrey Epstein.

    Speaking of which: While serving as UKrCOs top prosecutor, Keir Starmer routinely let off grooming gang rapists With a warning letter.

    Now the Prime Minister wants to give up Diego Garcia?

    You can't make this stuff up!

    "Things have gone from bad to worse for Prime Minister Keir Starmer
    after the body blow he took last week, when he initially squeamishly
    denied both RAF Fairford and our joint base at Diego Garcia in the
    Chagos Islands." - Hot Air

    >

    Last February, Hamit Coskun burned a Quran outside the Turkish
    consulate in Knightsbridge in a one-man protest against what he
    perceives as the Islamification of his home country, Turkey. As he
    shouted, rCLIslam is the religion of terrorismrCY, a religious fanatic,
    Moussa Kadri, violently attacked him. He spat at him, kicked him and
    slashed at him with a blade.

    Naturally, one would assume that of the two men, the individual
    wielding a knife on the streets of London would face the full force of
    the law. Instead, the attacker avoided jail time, while Hamit rCo a man
    who had fled persecution in Turkey rCo was convicted of a religiously
    aggravated public order offence. Little has been said about the
    Deliveroo rider who reportedly joined in the assault.

    Burning a holy scripture rCo any holy scripture rCo is undoubtedly
    controversial. But it is not illegal.

    Just because something offends polite society does not make it a
    crime. This case goes to the heart of freedom of expression and
    protest rCo and to the proper limits of the criminal law.

    Parliament abolished blasphemy laws in England and Wales 18 years ago,
    under the last Labour government. Scotland followed suit in 2021
    through the Hate Crime and Public Order (Scotland) Act. The last
    execution for blasphemy in Britain took place in 1697. We rightly
    regarded such laws as relics of a less tolerant age.

    It is also worth remembering that BritainrCOs historic blasphemy laws
    protected Christianity alone. Yet we now stand on the cusp of
    something altogether different: a de facto Islamic blasphemy code that
    would silence criticism of Islam and its practices. And it is emerging
    not through Parliament, but through the combined and intentioned
    actions of the Labour government and the Crown Prosecution Service.

    In October, it appeared that some rare common sense had prevailed. Mr
    Justice Bennathan overturned HamitrCOs conviction, recognising that
    while his actions may have been deeply upsetting to Muslims, freedom
    of expression rCLmust include the right to express views that offend,
    shock or disturb.rCY

    The Crown Prosecution Service was not prepared to leave it there.

    The CPS has sought to overturn that ruling on appeal. The stakes could
    not be higher. If the Crown succeeds, it will effectively revive
    BritainrCOs blasphemy laws. It will send a message that criticism of
    Islam, even in the context of political protest, may be treated as
    criminal if it causes offence. Most concerningly of all, it will
    signal to religious fanatics that should they wish to violently
    enforce the Islamic blasphemy code, they can do so with the nod of the
    CPS.

    It is inconceivable that someone would be prosecuted in StarmerrCOs
    Britain for setting a copy of the Bible alight rCo a point that the then
    Shadow Justice Secretary Robert Jenrick articulated last year when he
    questioned whether the CPS would even bat an eyelid should someone
    have burnt a Torah scroll outside the Israeli embassy or a Bible
    outside the Apostolic Nunciature. The principle must be consistent.
    The law cannot operate on different standards depending on the
    religion concerned.

    In what may be the most damning indictment of all, senior figures in
    the Trump administration have indicated they would consider granting
    Hamit Coskun political asylum should his conviction ultimately stand.
    The notion that Britain rCo the birthplace of free speechrCo could produce >> its first free speech refugee is a damning indictment of Keir
    StarmerrCOs government .

    Hamit himself has said that if he loses, he will have no choice but to
    flee once again rCo this time across the Atlantic. If he wins, it will
    set an important precedent affirming that freedom of expression in
    this country still means something.

    But even if the CPS loses, the broader direction of travel remains
    troubling.

    A blasphemy law may yet arrive in another form rCo through the
    GovernmentrCOs proposed official definition of rCLanti-Muslim hostilityrCY, >> formerly branded as Islamophobia. This ever-expanding definition is
    expected to include concepts such as racialisation and prejudicial
    stereotyping. However well-intentioned, such elastic language risks
    having a chilling effect on free speech and silencing legitimate
    debate on issues ranging from Islamist extremism to the grooming gang
    scandal.

    Perhaps most alarming of all is the composition of the working group
    tasked by Angela Rayner with drafting this definition. An
    investigative briefing by the Free Speech Union found that all five
    members appointed to the group have had connections to Islamist-linked
    organisations, including the Muslim Council of Britain (MCB) and
    Muslim Engagement and Development (MEND). That alone warrants serious
    scrutiny.

    Britain abolished its blasphemy laws because they were incompatible
    with a free society. We understood that beliefs rCo religious or
    otherwise rCo are not entitled to protection from insult, however
    distasteful.

    If the CPS appeal succeeds, we will have taken a decisive step backwards.


    Max Thompson


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  • From dart200@user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid to alt.buddha.short.fat.guy on Thu Feb 26 15:35:52 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.buddha.short.fat.guy

    so when are you foul mouthed bri'ish cucks gunna get on board with free
    speech eh???

    On 2/24/26 9:37 AM, Julian wrote:
    If the Crown Prosecution Service gets their way, we could very well be living in a country with an Islamic blasphemy law.

    Last February, Hamit Coskun burned a Quran outside the Turkish consulate
    in Knightsbridge in a one-man protest against what he perceives as the Islamification of his home country, Turkey. As he shouted, rCLIslam is the religion of terrorismrCY, a religious fanatic, Moussa Kadri, violently attacked him. He spat at him, kicked him and slashed at him with a blade.

    Naturally, one would assume that of the two men, the individual wielding
    a knife on the streets of London would face the full force of the law. Instead, the attacker avoided jail time, while Hamit rCo a man who had
    fled persecution in Turkey rCo was convicted of a religiously aggravated public order offence. Little has been said about the Deliveroo rider who reportedly joined in the assault.

    Burning a holy scripture rCo any holy scripture rCo is undoubtedly controversial. But it is not illegal.

    Just because something offends polite society does not make it a crime.
    This case goes to the heart of freedom of expression and protest rCo and
    to the proper limits of the criminal law.

    Parliament abolished blasphemy laws in England and Wales 18 years ago,
    under the last Labour government. Scotland followed suit in 2021 through
    the Hate Crime and Public Order (Scotland) Act. The last execution for blasphemy in Britain took place in 1697. We rightly regarded such laws
    as relics of a less tolerant age.

    It is also worth remembering that BritainrCOs historic blasphemy laws protected Christianity alone. Yet we now stand on the cusp of something altogether different: a de facto Islamic blasphemy code that would
    silence criticism of Islam and its practices. And it is emerging not
    through Parliament, but through the combined and intentioned actions of
    the Labour government and the Crown Prosecution Service.

    In October, it appeared that some rare common sense had prevailed. Mr Justice Bennathan overturned HamitrCOs conviction, recognising that while his actions may have been deeply upsetting to Muslims, freedom of
    expression rCLmust include the right to express views that offend, shock
    or disturb.rCY

    The Crown Prosecution Service was not prepared to leave it there.

    The CPS has sought to overturn that ruling on appeal. The stakes could
    not be higher. If the Crown succeeds, it will effectively revive
    BritainrCOs blasphemy laws. It will send a message that criticism of
    Islam, even in the context of political protest, may be treated as
    criminal if it causes offence. Most concerningly of all, it will signal
    to religious fanatics that should they wish to violently enforce the
    Islamic blasphemy code, they can do so with the nod of the CPS.

    It is inconceivable that someone would be prosecuted in StarmerrCOs
    Britain for setting a copy of the Bible alight rCo a point that the then Shadow Justice Secretary Robert Jenrick articulated last year when he questioned whether the CPS would even bat an eyelid should someone have burnt a Torah scroll outside the Israeli embassy or a Bible outside the Apostolic Nunciature. The principle must be consistent. The law cannot operate on different standards depending on the religion concerned.

    In what may be the most damning indictment of all, senior figures in the Trump administration have indicated they would consider granting Hamit Coskun political asylum should his conviction ultimately stand. The
    notion that Britain rCo the birthplace of free speechrCo could produce its first free speech refugee is a damning indictment of Keir StarmerrCOs government .

    Hamit himself has said that if he loses, he will have no choice but to
    flee once again rCo this time across the Atlantic. If he wins, it will set an important precedent affirming that freedom of expression in this
    country still means something.

    But even if the CPS loses, the broader direction of travel remains troubling.

    A blasphemy law may yet arrive in another form rCo through the GovernmentrCOs proposed official definition of rCLanti-Muslim hostilityrCY, formerly branded as Islamophobia. This ever-expanding definition is
    expected to include concepts such as racialisation and prejudicial stereotyping. However well-intentioned, such elastic language risks
    having a chilling effect on free speech and silencing legitimate debate
    on issues ranging from Islamist extremism to the grooming gang scandal.

    Perhaps most alarming of all is the composition of the working group
    tasked by Angela Rayner with drafting this definition. An investigative briefing by the Free Speech Union found that all five members appointed
    to the group have had connections to Islamist-linked organisations, including the Muslim Council of Britain (MCB) and Muslim Engagement and Development (MEND). That alone warrants serious scrutiny.

    Britain abolished its blasphemy laws because they were incompatible with
    a free society. We understood that beliefs rCo religious or otherwise rCo are not entitled to protection from insult, however distasteful.

    If the CPS appeal succeeds, we will have taken a decisive step backwards.


    Max Thompson
    --
    arising us out of the computing dark ages,
    please excuse my pseudo-pyscript,
    ~ the little crank that could
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  • From Julian@julianlzb87@gmail.com to alt.buddha.short.fat.guy on Fri Feb 27 15:45:11 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.buddha.short.fat.guy

    On 24/02/2026 17:37, Julian wrote:
    If the Crown Prosecution Service gets their way, we could very well be living in a country with an Islamic blasphemy law.

    Last February, Hamit Coskun burned a Quran outside the Turkish consulate
    in Knightsbridge in a one-man protest against what he perceives as the Islamification of his home country, Turkey. As he shouted, rCLIslam is the religion of terrorismrCY, a religious fanatic, Moussa Kadri, violently attacked him. He spat at him, kicked him and slashed at him with a blade.

    Naturally, one would assume that of the two men, the individual wielding
    a knife on the streets of London would face the full force of the law. Instead, the attacker avoided jail time, while Hamit rCo a man who had
    fled persecution in Turkey rCo was convicted of a religiously aggravated public order offence. Little has been said about the Deliveroo rider who reportedly joined in the assault.

    Burning a holy scripture rCo any holy scripture rCo is undoubtedly controversial. But it is not illegal.

    Just because something offends polite society does not make it a crime.
    This case goes to the heart of freedom of expression and protest rCo and
    to the proper limits of the criminal law.

    Parliament abolished blasphemy laws in England and Wales 18 years ago,
    under the last Labour government. Scotland followed suit in 2021 through
    the Hate Crime and Public Order (Scotland) Act. The last execution for blasphemy in Britain took place in 1697. We rightly regarded such laws
    as relics of a less tolerant age.

    It is also worth remembering that BritainrCOs historic blasphemy laws protected Christianity alone. Yet we now stand on the cusp of something altogether different: a de facto Islamic blasphemy code that would
    silence criticism of Islam and its practices. And it is emerging not
    through Parliament, but through the combined and intentioned actions of
    the Labour government and the Crown Prosecution Service.

    In October, it appeared that some rare common sense had prevailed. Mr Justice Bennathan overturned HamitrCOs conviction, recognising that while his actions may have been deeply upsetting to Muslims, freedom of
    expression rCLmust include the right to express views that offend, shock
    or disturb.rCY

    The Crown Prosecution Service was not prepared to leave it there.

    The CPS has sought to overturn that ruling on appeal. The stakes could
    not be higher. If the Crown succeeds, it will effectively revive
    BritainrCOs blasphemy laws. It will send a message that criticism of
    Islam, even in the context of political protest, may be treated as
    criminal if it causes offence. Most concerningly of all, it will signal
    to religious fanatics that should they wish to violently enforce the
    Islamic blasphemy code, they can do so with the nod of the CPS.

    It is inconceivable that someone would be prosecuted in StarmerrCOs
    Britain for setting a copy of the Bible alight rCo a point that the then Shadow Justice Secretary Robert Jenrick articulated last year when he questioned whether the CPS would even bat an eyelid should someone have burnt a Torah scroll outside the Israeli embassy or a Bible outside the Apostolic Nunciature. The principle must be consistent. The law cannot operate on different standards depending on the religion concerned.

    In what may be the most damning indictment of all, senior figures in the Trump administration have indicated they would consider granting Hamit Coskun political asylum should his conviction ultimately stand. The
    notion that Britain rCo the birthplace of free speechrCo could produce its first free speech refugee is a damning indictment of Keir StarmerrCOs government .

    Hamit himself has said that if he loses, he will have no choice but to
    flee once again rCo this time across the Atlantic. If he wins, it will set an important precedent affirming that freedom of expression in this
    country still means something.

    But even if the CPS loses, the broader direction of travel remains troubling.

    A blasphemy law may yet arrive in another form rCo through the GovernmentrCOs proposed official definition of rCLanti-Muslim hostilityrCY, formerly branded as Islamophobia. This ever-expanding definition is
    expected to include concepts such as racialisation and prejudicial stereotyping. However well-intentioned, such elastic language risks
    having a chilling effect on free speech and silencing legitimate debate
    on issues ranging from Islamist extremism to the grooming gang scandal.

    Perhaps most alarming of all is the composition of the working group
    tasked by Angela Rayner with drafting this definition. An investigative briefing by the Free Speech Union found that all five members appointed
    to the group have had connections to Islamist-linked organisations, including the Muslim Council of Britain (MCB) and Muslim Engagement and Development (MEND). That alone warrants serious scrutiny.

    Britain abolished its blasphemy laws because they were incompatible with
    a free society. We understood that beliefs rCo religious or otherwise rCo are not entitled to protection from insult, however distasteful.

    If the CPS appeal succeeds, we will have taken a decisive step backwards.


    Max Thompson
    https://order-order.com/2026/02/27/judges-slap-down-cps-attempt-to-prosecute-acquitted-quran-burner/
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  • From Tara@tsm@fastmail.ca to alt.buddha.short.fat.guy on Fri Feb 27 15:57:53 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.buddha.short.fat.guy

    On Feb 27, 2026 at 10:45:11rC>AM EST, "Julian" <julianlzb87@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 24/02/2026 17:37, Julian wrote:
    If the Crown Prosecution Service gets their way, we could very well be
    living in a country with an Islamic blasphemy law.

    Last February, Hamit Coskun burned a Quran outside the Turkish consulate
    in Knightsbridge in a one-man protest against what he perceives as the
    Islamification of his home country, Turkey. As he shouted, rCLIslam is the >> religion of terrorismrCY, a religious fanatic, Moussa Kadri, violently
    attacked him. He spat at him, kicked him and slashed at him with a blade.

    Naturally, one would assume that of the two men, the individual wielding
    a knife on the streets of London would face the full force of the law.
    Instead, the attacker avoided jail time, while Hamit rCo a man who had
    fled persecution in Turkey rCo was convicted of a religiously aggravated
    public order offence. Little has been said about the Deliveroo rider who
    reportedly joined in the assault.

    Burning a holy scripture rCo any holy scripture rCo is undoubtedly
    controversial. But it is not illegal.

    Just because something offends polite society does not make it a crime.
    This case goes to the heart of freedom of expression and protest rCo and
    to the proper limits of the criminal law.

    Parliament abolished blasphemy laws in England and Wales 18 years ago,
    under the last Labour government. Scotland followed suit in 2021 through
    the Hate Crime and Public Order (Scotland) Act. The last execution for
    blasphemy in Britain took place in 1697. We rightly regarded such laws
    as relics of a less tolerant age.

    It is also worth remembering that BritainrCOs historic blasphemy laws
    protected Christianity alone. Yet we now stand on the cusp of something
    altogether different: a de facto Islamic blasphemy code that would
    silence criticism of Islam and its practices. And it is emerging not
    through Parliament, but through the combined and intentioned actions of
    the Labour government and the Crown Prosecution Service.

    In October, it appeared that some rare common sense had prevailed. Mr
    Justice Bennathan overturned HamitrCOs conviction, recognising that while
    his actions may have been deeply upsetting to Muslims, freedom of
    expression rCLmust include the right to express views that offend, shock
    or disturb.rCY

    The Crown Prosecution Service was not prepared to leave it there.

    The CPS has sought to overturn that ruling on appeal. The stakes could
    not be higher. If the Crown succeeds, it will effectively revive
    BritainrCOs blasphemy laws. It will send a message that criticism of
    Islam, even in the context of political protest, may be treated as
    criminal if it causes offence. Most concerningly of all, it will signal
    to religious fanatics that should they wish to violently enforce the
    Islamic blasphemy code, they can do so with the nod of the CPS.

    It is inconceivable that someone would be prosecuted in StarmerrCOs
    Britain for setting a copy of the Bible alight rCo a point that the then
    Shadow Justice Secretary Robert Jenrick articulated last year when he
    questioned whether the CPS would even bat an eyelid should someone have
    burnt a Torah scroll outside the Israeli embassy or a Bible outside the
    Apostolic Nunciature. The principle must be consistent. The law cannot
    operate on different standards depending on the religion concerned.

    In what may be the most damning indictment of all, senior figures in the
    Trump administration have indicated they would consider granting Hamit
    Coskun political asylum should his conviction ultimately stand. The
    notion that Britain rCo the birthplace of free speechrCo could produce its >> first free speech refugee is a damning indictment of Keir StarmerrCOs
    government .

    Hamit himself has said that if he loses, he will have no choice but to
    flee once again rCo this time across the Atlantic. If he wins, it will set >> an important precedent affirming that freedom of expression in this
    country still means something.

    But even if the CPS loses, the broader direction of travel remains
    troubling.

    A blasphemy law may yet arrive in another form rCo through the
    GovernmentrCOs proposed official definition of rCLanti-Muslim hostilityrCY, >> formerly branded as Islamophobia. This ever-expanding definition is
    expected to include concepts such as racialisation and prejudicial
    stereotyping. However well-intentioned, such elastic language risks
    having a chilling effect on free speech and silencing legitimate debate
    on issues ranging from Islamist extremism to the grooming gang scandal.

    Perhaps most alarming of all is the composition of the working group
    tasked by Angela Rayner with drafting this definition. An investigative
    briefing by the Free Speech Union found that all five members appointed
    to the group have had connections to Islamist-linked organisations,
    including the Muslim Council of Britain (MCB) and Muslim Engagement and
    Development (MEND). That alone warrants serious scrutiny.

    Britain abolished its blasphemy laws because they were incompatible with
    a free society. We understood that beliefs rCo religious or otherwise rCo
    are not entitled to protection from insult, however distasteful.

    If the CPS appeal succeeds, we will have taken a decisive step backwards.


    Max Thompson
    https://order-order.com/2026/02/27/judges-slap-down-cps-attempt-to-prosecute-acquitted-quran-burner/

    Yea!
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  • From Dude@punditster@gmail.com to alt.buddha.short.fat.guy on Fri Feb 27 13:32:49 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.buddha.short.fat.guy

    On 2/26/2026 3:35 PM, dart200 wrote:
    so when are you foul mouthed bri'ish cucks gunna get on board with free speech eh???

    There's no free speech in Islam, Nick.


    On 2/24/26 9:37 AM, Julian wrote:
    If the Crown Prosecution Service gets their way, we could very well be
    living in a country with an Islamic blasphemy law.

    Last February, Hamit Coskun burned a Quran outside the Turkish
    consulate in Knightsbridge in a one-man protest against what he
    perceives as the Islamification of his home country, Turkey. As he
    shouted, rCLIslam is the religion of terrorismrCY, a religious fanatic,
    Moussa Kadri, violently attacked him. He spat at him, kicked him and
    slashed at him with a blade.

    Naturally, one would assume that of the two men, the individual
    wielding a knife on the streets of London would face the full force of
    the law. Instead, the attacker avoided jail time, while Hamit rCo a man
    who had fled persecution in Turkey rCo was convicted of a religiously
    aggravated public order offence. Little has been said about the
    Deliveroo rider who reportedly joined in the assault.

    Burning a holy scripture rCo any holy scripture rCo is undoubtedly
    controversial. But it is not illegal.

    Just because something offends polite society does not make it a
    crime. This case goes to the heart of freedom of expression and
    protest rCo and to the proper limits of the criminal law.

    Parliament abolished blasphemy laws in England and Wales 18 years ago,
    under the last Labour government. Scotland followed suit in 2021
    through the Hate Crime and Public Order (Scotland) Act. The last
    execution for blasphemy in Britain took place in 1697. We rightly
    regarded such laws as relics of a less tolerant age.

    It is also worth remembering that BritainrCOs historic blasphemy laws
    protected Christianity alone. Yet we now stand on the cusp of
    something altogether different: a de facto Islamic blasphemy code that
    would silence criticism of Islam and its practices. And it is emerging
    not through Parliament, but through the combined and intentioned
    actions of the Labour government and the Crown Prosecution Service.

    In October, it appeared that some rare common sense had prevailed. Mr
    Justice Bennathan overturned HamitrCOs conviction, recognising that
    while his actions may have been deeply upsetting to Muslims, freedom
    of expression rCLmust include the right to express views that offend,
    shock or disturb.rCY

    The Crown Prosecution Service was not prepared to leave it there.

    The CPS has sought to overturn that ruling on appeal. The stakes could
    not be higher. If the Crown succeeds, it will effectively revive
    BritainrCOs blasphemy laws. It will send a message that criticism of
    Islam, even in the context of political protest, may be treated as
    criminal if it causes offence. Most concerningly of all, it will
    signal to religious fanatics that should they wish to violently
    enforce the Islamic blasphemy code, they can do so with the nod of the
    CPS.

    It is inconceivable that someone would be prosecuted in StarmerrCOs
    Britain for setting a copy of the Bible alight rCo a point that the then
    Shadow Justice Secretary Robert Jenrick articulated last year when he
    questioned whether the CPS would even bat an eyelid should someone
    have burnt a Torah scroll outside the Israeli embassy or a Bible
    outside the Apostolic Nunciature. The principle must be consistent.
    The law cannot operate on different standards depending on the
    religion concerned.

    In what may be the most damning indictment of all, senior figures in
    the Trump administration have indicated they would consider granting
    Hamit Coskun political asylum should his conviction ultimately stand.
    The notion that Britain rCo the birthplace of free speechrCo could produce >> its first free speech refugee is a damning indictment of Keir
    StarmerrCOs government .

    Hamit himself has said that if he loses, he will have no choice but to
    flee once again rCo this time across the Atlantic. If he wins, it will
    set an important precedent affirming that freedom of expression in
    this country still means something.

    But even if the CPS loses, the broader direction of travel remains
    troubling.

    A blasphemy law may yet arrive in another form rCo through the
    GovernmentrCOs proposed official definition of rCLanti-Muslim hostilityrCY, >> formerly branded as Islamophobia. This ever-expanding definition is
    expected to include concepts such as racialisation and prejudicial
    stereotyping. However well-intentioned, such elastic language risks
    having a chilling effect on free speech and silencing legitimate
    debate on issues ranging from Islamist extremism to the grooming gang
    scandal.

    Perhaps most alarming of all is the composition of the working group
    tasked by Angela Rayner with drafting this definition. An
    investigative briefing by the Free Speech Union found that all five
    members appointed to the group have had connections to Islamist-linked
    organisations, including the Muslim Council of Britain (MCB) and
    Muslim Engagement and Development (MEND). That alone warrants serious
    scrutiny.

    Britain abolished its blasphemy laws because they were incompatible
    with a free society. We understood that beliefs rCo religious or
    otherwise rCo are not entitled to protection from insult, however
    distasteful.

    If the CPS appeal succeeds, we will have taken a decisive step backwards.


    Max Thompson



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  • From dart200@user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid to alt.buddha.short.fat.guy,alt.messianic on Fri Feb 27 20:08:59 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.buddha.short.fat.guy

    On 2/27/26 1:32 PM, Dude wrote:
    On 2/26/2026 3:35 PM, dart200 wrote:
    so when are you foul mouthed bri'ish cucks gunna get on board with
    free speech eh???

    There's no free speech in Islam, Nick.

    > then islam needs to level up or be eradicated
    >
    > #god


    On 2/24/26 9:37 AM, Julian wrote:
    If the Crown Prosecution Service gets their way, we could very well
    be living in a country with an Islamic blasphemy law.

    Last February, Hamit Coskun burned a Quran outside the Turkish
    consulate in Knightsbridge in a one-man protest against what he
    perceives as the Islamification of his home country, Turkey. As he
    shouted, rCLIslam is the religion of terrorismrCY, a religious fanatic, >>> Moussa Kadri, violently attacked him. He spat at him, kicked him and
    slashed at him with a blade.

    Naturally, one would assume that of the two men, the individual
    wielding a knife on the streets of London would face the full force
    of the law. Instead, the attacker avoided jail time, while Hamit rCo a
    man who had fled persecution in Turkey rCo was convicted of a
    religiously aggravated public order offence. Little has been said
    about the Deliveroo rider who reportedly joined in the assault.

    Burning a holy scripture rCo any holy scripture rCo is undoubtedly
    controversial. But it is not illegal.

    Just because something offends polite society does not make it a
    crime. This case goes to the heart of freedom of expression and
    protest rCo and to the proper limits of the criminal law.

    Parliament abolished blasphemy laws in England and Wales 18 years
    ago, under the last Labour government. Scotland followed suit in 2021
    through the Hate Crime and Public Order (Scotland) Act. The last
    execution for blasphemy in Britain took place in 1697. We rightly
    regarded such laws as relics of a less tolerant age.

    It is also worth remembering that BritainrCOs historic blasphemy laws
    protected Christianity alone. Yet we now stand on the cusp of
    something altogether different: a de facto Islamic blasphemy code
    that would silence criticism of Islam and its practices. And it is
    emerging not through Parliament, but through the combined and
    intentioned actions of the Labour government and the Crown
    Prosecution Service.

    In October, it appeared that some rare common sense had prevailed. Mr
    Justice Bennathan overturned HamitrCOs conviction, recognising that
    while his actions may have been deeply upsetting to Muslims, freedom
    of expression rCLmust include the right to express views that offend,
    shock or disturb.rCY

    The Crown Prosecution Service was not prepared to leave it there.

    The CPS has sought to overturn that ruling on appeal. The stakes
    could not be higher. If the Crown succeeds, it will effectively
    revive BritainrCOs blasphemy laws. It will send a message that
    criticism of Islam, even in the context of political protest, may be
    treated as criminal if it causes offence. Most concerningly of all,
    it will signal to religious fanatics that should they wish to
    violently enforce the Islamic blasphemy code, they can do so with the
    nod of the CPS.

    It is inconceivable that someone would be prosecuted in StarmerrCOs
    Britain for setting a copy of the Bible alight rCo a point that the
    then Shadow Justice Secretary Robert Jenrick articulated last year
    when he questioned whether the CPS would even bat an eyelid should
    someone have burnt a Torah scroll outside the Israeli embassy or a
    Bible outside the Apostolic Nunciature. The principle must be
    consistent. The law cannot operate on different standards depending
    on the religion concerned.

    In what may be the most damning indictment of all, senior figures in
    the Trump administration have indicated they would consider granting
    Hamit Coskun political asylum should his conviction ultimately stand.
    The notion that Britain rCo the birthplace of free speechrCo could
    produce its first free speech refugee is a damning indictment of Keir
    StarmerrCOs government .

    Hamit himself has said that if he loses, he will have no choice but
    to flee once again rCo this time across the Atlantic. If he wins, it
    will set an important precedent affirming that freedom of expression
    in this country still means something.

    But even if the CPS loses, the broader direction of travel remains
    troubling.

    A blasphemy law may yet arrive in another form rCo through the
    GovernmentrCOs proposed official definition of rCLanti-Muslim hostilityrCY,
    formerly branded as Islamophobia. This ever-expanding definition is
    expected to include concepts such as racialisation and prejudicial
    stereotyping. However well-intentioned, such elastic language risks
    having a chilling effect on free speech and silencing legitimate
    debate on issues ranging from Islamist extremism to the grooming gang
    scandal.

    Perhaps most alarming of all is the composition of the working group
    tasked by Angela Rayner with drafting this definition. An
    investigative briefing by the Free Speech Union found that all five
    members appointed to the group have had connections to Islamist-
    linked organisations, including the Muslim Council of Britain (MCB)
    and Muslim Engagement and Development (MEND). That alone warrants
    serious scrutiny.

    Britain abolished its blasphemy laws because they were incompatible
    with a free society. We understood that beliefs rCo religious or
    otherwise rCo are not entitled to protection from insult, however
    distasteful.

    If the CPS appeal succeeds, we will have taken a decisive step
    backwards.


    Max Thompson



    --
    why are we god? let's end war EfOa

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  • From Dude@punditster@gmail.com to alt.buddha.short.fat.guy,alt.messianic on Sat Feb 28 20:24:28 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.buddha.short.fat.guy

    On 2/27/2026 8:08 PM, dart200 wrote:
    On 2/27/26 1:32 PM, Dude wrote:
    On 2/26/2026 3:35 PM, dart200 wrote:
    so when are you foul mouthed bri'ish cucks gunna get on board with
    free speech eh???

    There's no free speech in Islam, Nick.

    -a > then islam needs to level up or be eradicated
    -a >
    -a > #god

    The Us and Israel are in the process of doing that as we speak, Nick.
    Israel will own the Middle East in about twenty-four hours, give or
    take. Bam! Bam!



    On 2/24/26 9:37 AM, Julian wrote:
    If the Crown Prosecution Service gets their way, we could very well
    be living in a country with an Islamic blasphemy law.

    Last February, Hamit Coskun burned a Quran outside the Turkish
    consulate in Knightsbridge in a one-man protest against what he
    perceives as the Islamification of his home country, Turkey. As he
    shouted, rCLIslam is the religion of terrorismrCY, a religious fanatic, >>>> Moussa Kadri, violently attacked him. He spat at him, kicked him and
    slashed at him with a blade.

    Naturally, one would assume that of the two men, the individual
    wielding a knife on the streets of London would face the full force
    of the law. Instead, the attacker avoided jail time, while Hamit rCo a >>>> man who had fled persecution in Turkey rCo was convicted of a
    religiously aggravated public order offence. Little has been said
    about the Deliveroo rider who reportedly joined in the assault.

    Burning a holy scripture rCo any holy scripture rCo is undoubtedly
    controversial. But it is not illegal.

    Just because something offends polite society does not make it a
    crime. This case goes to the heart of freedom of expression and
    protest rCo and to the proper limits of the criminal law.

    Parliament abolished blasphemy laws in England and Wales 18 years
    ago, under the last Labour government. Scotland followed suit in
    2021 through the Hate Crime and Public Order (Scotland) Act. The
    last execution for blasphemy in Britain took place in 1697. We
    rightly regarded such laws as relics of a less tolerant age.

    It is also worth remembering that BritainrCOs historic blasphemy laws >>>> protected Christianity alone. Yet we now stand on the cusp of
    something altogether different: a de facto Islamic blasphemy code
    that would silence criticism of Islam and its practices. And it is
    emerging not through Parliament, but through the combined and
    intentioned actions of the Labour government and the Crown
    Prosecution Service.

    In October, it appeared that some rare common sense had prevailed.
    Mr Justice Bennathan overturned HamitrCOs conviction, recognising that >>>> while his actions may have been deeply upsetting to Muslims, freedom
    of expression rCLmust include the right to express views that offend, >>>> shock or disturb.rCY

    The Crown Prosecution Service was not prepared to leave it there.

    The CPS has sought to overturn that ruling on appeal. The stakes
    could not be higher. If the Crown succeeds, it will effectively
    revive BritainrCOs blasphemy laws. It will send a message that
    criticism of Islam, even in the context of political protest, may be
    treated as criminal if it causes offence. Most concerningly of all,
    it will signal to religious fanatics that should they wish to
    violently enforce the Islamic blasphemy code, they can do so with
    the nod of the CPS.

    It is inconceivable that someone would be prosecuted in StarmerrCOs
    Britain for setting a copy of the Bible alight rCo a point that the
    then Shadow Justice Secretary Robert Jenrick articulated last year
    when he questioned whether the CPS would even bat an eyelid should
    someone have burnt a Torah scroll outside the Israeli embassy or a
    Bible outside the Apostolic Nunciature. The principle must be
    consistent. The law cannot operate on different standards depending
    on the religion concerned.

    In what may be the most damning indictment of all, senior figures in
    the Trump administration have indicated they would consider granting
    Hamit Coskun political asylum should his conviction ultimately
    stand. The notion that Britain rCo the birthplace of free speechrCo
    could produce its first free speech refugee is a damning indictment
    of Keir StarmerrCOs government .

    Hamit himself has said that if he loses, he will have no choice but
    to flee once again rCo this time across the Atlantic. If he wins, it
    will set an important precedent affirming that freedom of expression
    in this country still means something.

    But even if the CPS loses, the broader direction of travel remains
    troubling.

    A blasphemy law may yet arrive in another form rCo through the
    GovernmentrCOs proposed official definition of rCLanti-Muslim
    hostilityrCY, formerly branded as Islamophobia. This ever-expanding
    definition is expected to include concepts such as racialisation and
    prejudicial stereotyping. However well-intentioned, such elastic
    language risks having a chilling effect on free speech and silencing
    legitimate debate on issues ranging from Islamist extremism to the
    grooming gang scandal.

    Perhaps most alarming of all is the composition of the working group
    tasked by Angela Rayner with drafting this definition. An
    investigative briefing by the Free Speech Union found that all five
    members appointed to the group have had connections to Islamist-
    linked organisations, including the Muslim Council of Britain (MCB)
    and Muslim Engagement and Development (MEND). That alone warrants
    serious scrutiny.

    Britain abolished its blasphemy laws because they were incompatible
    with a free society. We understood that beliefs rCo religious or
    otherwise rCo are not entitled to protection from insult, however
    distasteful.

    If the CPS appeal succeeds, we will have taken a decisive step
    backwards.


    Max Thompson






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