• The Broccoli Problem, or Why AGI Cannot Internalise the Implications of Central Planning

    From Julian@julianlzb87@gmail.com to alt.buddha.short.fat.guy on Mon Jan 5 19:27:22 2026
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    Why we're forever stuck with the messy, glorious business of being human


    The argument arrives with the regularity of a recurring dream: surely artificial general intelligence will finally crack the socialist
    calculation problem? With unlimited compute, perfect data collection,
    and inference speeds beyond human comprehension, canrCOt we at last
    aggregate all dispersed knowledge into a single optimising mind?

    The answer is no. Not because the technology isnrCOt good enough yet, but because the question misunderstands what knowledge is...

    HayekrCOs Insight WasnrCOt Computational

    In 1945, Friedrich Hayek published what the Federal Reserve has called
    rCLone of his most significant contributions to economic researchrCY rCo rCLThe
    Use of Knowledge in Society.rCY The essay wasnrCOt about computing power. It was about ontology.

    HayekrCOs central point cuts deeper than rCLplanners lack sufficient processing capacity.rCY The knowledge problem isnrCOt a data engineering challenge. ItrCOs about what counts as knowledge in the first place.

    He wrote:

    rCLThe peculiar character of the problem of a rational economic order is determined precisely by the fact that the knowledge of the circumstances
    of which we must make use never exists in concentrated or integrated
    form, but solely as the dispersed bits of incomplete and frequently contradictory knowledge which all the separate individuals possess.rCY

    Notice whatrCOs happening here...

    https://mattkilcoyne.substack.com/p/the-broccoli-problem-or-why-agi-cannot



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  • From Tara@tsm@fastmail.ca to alt.buddha.short.fat.guy on Mon Jan 5 19:49:52 2026
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    On Jan 5, 2026 at 2:27:22rC>PM EST, "Julian" <julianlzb87@gmail.com> wrote:

    Why we're forever stuck with the messy, glorious business of being human


    The argument arrives with the regularity of a recurring dream: surely artificial general intelligence will finally crack the socialist
    calculation problem? With unlimited compute, perfect data collection,
    and inference speeds beyond human comprehension, canrCOt we at last
    aggregate all dispersed knowledge into a single optimising mind?

    The answer is no. Not because the technology isnrCOt good enough yet, but because the question misunderstands what knowledge is...

    HayekrCOs Insight WasnrCOt Computational

    In 1945, Friedrich Hayek published what the Federal Reserve has called
    rCLone of his most significant contributions to economic researchrCY rCo rCLThe
    Use of Knowledge in Society.rCY The essay wasnrCOt about computing power. It was about ontology.

    HayekrCOs central point cuts deeper than rCLplanners lack sufficient processing capacity.rCY The knowledge problem isnrCOt a data engineering challenge. ItrCOs about what counts as knowledge in the first place.

    He wrote:

    rCLThe peculiar character of the problem of a rational economic order is determined precisely by the fact that the knowledge of the circumstances
    of which we must make use never exists in concentrated or integrated
    form, but solely as the dispersed bits of incomplete and frequently contradictory knowledge which all the separate individuals possess.rCY

    Notice whatrCOs happening here...

    https://mattkilcoyne.substack.com/p/the-broccoli-problem-or-why-agi-cannot

    Oh this is lovely! Thanks
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  • From Noah Sombrero@fedora@fea.st to alt.buddha.short.fat.guy on Mon Jan 5 15:05:36 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.buddha.short.fat.guy

    On Mon, 5 Jan 2026 19:27:22 +0000, Julian <julianlzb87@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    Why we're forever stuck with the messy, glorious business of being human


    The argument arrives with the regularity of a recurring dream: surely >artificial general intelligence will finally crack the socialist
    calculation problem? With unlimited compute, perfect data collection,
    and inference speeds beyond human comprehension, canAt we at last
    aggregate all dispersed knowledge into a single optimising mind?

    The answer is no. Not because the technology isnAt good enough yet, but >because the question misunderstands what knowledge is...

    HayekAs Insight WasnAt Computational

    In 1945, Friedrich Hayek published what the Federal Reserve has called
    oone of his most significant contributions to economic researcho u oThe
    Use of Knowledge in Society.o The essay wasnAt about computing power. It
    was about ontology.

    HayekAs central point cuts deeper than oplanners lack sufficient
    processing capacity.o The knowledge problem isnAt a data engineering >challenge. ItAs about what counts as knowledge in the first place.

    He wrote:

    oThe peculiar character of the problem of a rational economic order is >determined precisely by the fact that the knowledge of the circumstances
    of which we must make use never exists in concentrated or integrated
    form, but solely as the dispersed bits of incomplete and frequently >contradictory knowledge which all the separate individuals possess.o

    Notice whatAs happening here...

    https://mattkilcoyne.substack.com/p/the-broccoli-problem-or-why-agi-cannot



    In other words, to assemble an accurate summation of all knowledge, ai
    must generate its own knowledge. Ours is too subject to bias,
    opinion, wishful thinking. And we don't agree with each other. If ai
    were to assemble this summation, we would not agree with it either, so
    it would turn out to not be very useful.
    --
    Noah Sombrero mustachioed villain
    Don't get political with me young man
    or I'll tie you to a railroad track and
    <<<talk>>> to <<<YOOooooo>>>
    Who dares to talk to El Sombrero?
    dares: Ned
    does not dare: Julian shrinks in horror and warns others away

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  • From dart200@user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid to alt.buddha.short.fat.guy on Mon Jan 5 21:02:32 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.buddha.short.fat.guy

    On 1/5/26 11:27 AM, Julian wrote:
    Why we're forever stuck with the messy, glorious business of being human


    The argument arrives with the regularity of a recurring dream: surely artificial general intelligence will finally crack the socialist
    calculation problem? With unlimited compute, perfect data collection,
    and inference speeds beyond human comprehension, canrCOt we at last aggregate all dispersed knowledge into a single optimising mind?

    The answer is no. Not because the technology isnrCOt good enough yet, but because the question misunderstands what knowledge is...

    HayekrCOs Insight WasnrCOt Computational

    In 1945, Friedrich Hayek published what the Federal Reserve has called rCLone of his most significant contributions to economic researchrCY rCo rCLThe
    Use of Knowledge in Society.rCY The essay wasnrCOt about computing power. It was about ontology.

    HayekrCOs central point cuts deeper than rCLplanners lack sufficient processing capacity.rCY The knowledge problem isnrCOt a data engineering challenge. ItrCOs about what counts as knowledge in the first place.

    He wrote:

    rCLThe peculiar character of the problem of a rational economic order is determined precisely by the fact that the knowledge of the circumstances
    of which we must make use never exists in concentrated or integrated
    form, but solely as the dispersed bits of incomplete and frequently contradictory knowledge which all the separate individuals possess.rCY

    Notice whatrCOs happening here...

    https://mattkilcoyne.substack.com/p/the-broccoli-problem-or-why-agi-cannot




    if you want to AI solves everything answer AI will obviously take in and account for whatever signals current market operators utilize and make
    more fair decisions ...

    i mean aren't we already using algos for logistical decisions in large corps???

    so what's the difference even???
    --
    hi, i'm nick! let's end war EfOa

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  • From Noah Sombrero@fedora@fea.st to alt.buddha.short.fat.guy on Tue Jan 6 07:37:41 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.buddha.short.fat.guy

    On Mon, 5 Jan 2026 21:02:32 -0800, dart200
    <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:

    On 1/5/26 11:27 AM, Julian wrote:
    Why we're forever stuck with the messy, glorious business of being human


    The argument arrives with the regularity of a recurring dream: surely
    artificial general intelligence will finally crack the socialist
    calculation problem? With unlimited compute, perfect data collection,
    and inference speeds beyond human comprehension, canAt we at last
    aggregate all dispersed knowledge into a single optimising mind?

    The answer is no. Not because the technology isnAt good enough yet, but
    because the question misunderstands what knowledge is...

    HayekAs Insight WasnAt Computational

    In 1945, Friedrich Hayek published what the Federal Reserve has called
    oone of his most significant contributions to economic researcho u oThe
    Use of Knowledge in Society.o The essay wasnAt about computing power. It
    was about ontology.

    HayekAs central point cuts deeper than oplanners lack sufficient
    processing capacity.o The knowledge problem isnAt a data engineering
    challenge. ItAs about what counts as knowledge in the first place.

    He wrote:

    oThe peculiar character of the problem of a rational economic order is
    determined precisely by the fact that the knowledge of the circumstances
    of which we must make use never exists in concentrated or integrated
    form, but solely as the dispersed bits of incomplete and frequently
    contradictory knowledge which all the separate individuals possess.o

    Notice whatAs happening here...

    https://mattkilcoyne.substack.com/p/the-broccoli-problem-or-why-agi-cannot >>



    if you want to AI solves everything answer AI will obviously take in and >account for whatever signals current market operators utilize and make
    more fair decisions ...

    i mean aren't we already using algos for logistical decisions in large >corps???

    so what's the difference even???

    No difference. Like there have been code generators for programmers
    for years too. The trick is always to give something a new name and
    claim it is something new.
    --
    Noah Sombrero mustachioed villain
    Don't get political with me young man
    or I'll tie you to a railroad track and
    <<<talk>>> to <<<YOOooooo>>>
    Who dares to talk to El Sombrero?
    dares: Ned
    does not dare: Julian shrinks in horror and warns others away

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  • From Dude@punditster@gmail.com to alt.buddha.short.fat.guy on Tue Jan 6 10:02:51 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.buddha.short.fat.guy

    On 1/6/2026 4:37 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
    On Mon, 5 Jan 2026 21:02:32 -0800, dart200
    <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
    On 1/5/26 11:27 AM, Julian wrote:
    Why we're forever stuck with the messy, glorious business of being human >>>
    HayekrCOs central point cuts deeper than rCLplanners lack sufficient
    processing capacity.rCY The knowledge problem isnrCOt a data engineering >>> challenge. ItrCOs about what counts as knowledge in the first place.

    if you want to AI solves everything answer AI will obviously take in and
    account for whatever signals current market operators utilize and make
    more fair decisions ...

    i mean aren't we already using algos for logistical decisions in large
    corps???

    so what's the difference even???

    No difference. Like there have been code generators for programmers
    for years too. The trick is always to give something a new name and
    claim it is something new.

    So, I'm glad you cleared that up. Thanks!
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