]Trump seizes control of Venezuela. What next?
Julius Strauss
Donald Trump has made his first major move to extend US dominance in
his neighbourhood, an ambition he has long telegraphed. What will
happen next? And will this be his last such gambit?
The first I saw of US special forces in Afghanistan was bearded men
with colourful scarfs wrapped tightly around their heads and side-arms strapped to their thighs.
It was late 2001 and I was in the north of the country a few weeks
after the 9/11 attacks to report from the frontline between the ruling Taliban and their enemy, the Northern Alliance.
The Northern Alliance were delighted to see the Americans. After years
of fighting the Taliban single-handed, they were about to get a
massive injection of military aid and the most powerful ally in the
world.
A few weeks later I watched as US B-52 bombers emptied their deadly
loads onto a ridge line where the Taliban were dug in.
A decade passed and I was in Helmand in southern Afghanistan. A young
US Marine was brought into a medical facility at the base where I was
living. His legs had just been blown off below the knee, and his face
was a deathly grey.
The marine was one of 2,000 US soldiers who were killed in
Afghanistan. Around 20,000 more were injured. Many lost limbs to
roadside bombs and mines. The US finally withdrew in spectacular and humiliating disarray in 2021.
Eighteen months after I watched the US bombers in action in
Afghanistan I was in northern Iraq talking to a US Green Beret called
Chuck. A mile or two down the road Saddam HusseinrCOs forces were
defending a frontline position.
On assignment for The Daily Telegraph in Afghanistan in 2001. The US
attack on the Taliban was held up as a model intervention at the time.
Chuck was what is known as a forward air controller, spotting for
warplanes overhead, and he began calling in air strikes. When the
Iraqis replied with mortar fire we took cover behind some concrete
walls.
Shortly afterwards Baghdad fell, Saddam was toppled, and Iraqi crowds rejoiced. George W Bush, the US president, flew onto an aircraft
carrier to celebrate. A banner read rCyMission Accomplished.rCO
By the following year, when I returned to Iraq, the mood had soured.
US soldiers were widely hated and Washington had besmirched its
reputation by torturing prisoners at the notorious Abu Ghraib prison.
In the central city of Najaf I joined a group of Shia students. They
were so incensed by US brutality and mismanagement they had gathered
to take pot shots at its soldiers. The Americans responded with
withering automatic fire.
By 2007 Iraq was in full-scale civil war. Hundreds of thousands of
Iraqis and thousands of American soldiers were to die before Barack
Obama pulled out the troops in 2011.
All this flashed through my head when I heard that Trump had ordered
US special forces into Caracas and kidnapped President Nicolas Maduro
and his wife. For an American president who was elected on a ticket of
ending US involvement in foreign wars it was quite a move.
Maduro was a kleptocratic dictator, around eight million Venezuelans
had fled the country under his rule, and the economy was in ruins.
But Saddam had been a mass murderer responsible for the death of
hundreds of thousands of his countrymen.
The Taliban had run one of the most brutal regimes in AfghanistanrCOs
history - replete with theatrical touches such as killing adulterers
by stoning, or pushing a wall onto men convicted of sodomy.
Yet in each case the American intervention only made matters far
worse.
The Trump administration has boasted of the skill and precision of the
US Delta Force operatives which extracted Maduro without taking a
single casualty (though the operation did kill at least 80
Venezuelans).
But it is worth remembering that the US invasion of Afghanistan -
which relied on air power, special forces and millions of dollars in
cash to buy the favours of regional warlords - was also lauded as a
great success at the time.
At an American army base in Baghdad in 2004. The anti-American
insurgency was already escalating.
The lightning run to Baghdad by American tanks moving ahead of the
main attacking force in 2003 was similarly acclaimed as masterful.
Months later, however, as American bodies lay burned on the streets, everything looked so different.
Will Venezuela end the same way? Can Trump really avoid the mistakes
of the past, install a pliant government, and rebuild VenezuelarCOs oil industry?
I wouldnrCOt put my money on it.
For one Maduro ruled a country that was home to myriad factions, many
of them heavily-armed, and some with their own designs on power.
Trump has eschewed the obvious choice of opposition leader Maria
Corina Machado to run the country, presumably on the basis that she
won the Nobel Peace Prize and he didnrCOt.
Furthermore the US doesnrCOt seem to have a follow-up plan in Venezuela, other than to threaten another round of kidnapping and bombing.
Marco Rubio, the secretary of state, who has lobbied for intervention
in Venezuela for a decade, will now be tasked with overseeing the
running of the country.
But even he, a relative adult in a US administration made up largely
of miscreants, seems to have little solid idea of how to move forward.
The notion that American oil companies can siphon off the worldrCOs
largest reserves - mostly heavy crude that refineries on the US coast
of the Gulf of Mexico are thirsting for - seems na|>ve.
The invasion of Afghanistan ended up costing the US taxpayer around
two trillion dollars. It ended with US cargo planes taking off at
Kabul airport with desperate Afghans hanging from the undercarriage.
This potent image of American imperial weakness was almost certainly a
major factor in persuading Vladimir Putin that he could attack Ukraine
with little meaningful opposition from an enfeebled West.
As for Iraq, the bastard child of that invasion was ISIS, a group that
is still with us.
When the US military war-gamed intervention in Venezuela during
TrumprCOs first term the results were anarchy and chaos. There is little
to suggest that the outcome today will be any different.
The attack on Caracas will further alienate WashingtonrCOs allies,
already badly bruised by TrumprCOs high-handedness. And it will give political cover to China if it decides to attack and annex Taiwan.
Since Trump was re-elected we have seen cack-handedness (the on-again-off-again global tariff regime), immorality (his bullying of Ukraine), and corruption (his promotion of sectors in which his family
has invested).
But his attempt to take over Venezuela and make off with its oil is
surely one of his most hubristic and ill-considered actions to date.
It is also his first serious effort to expand US dominance of the
Americas and the Arctic, an aim he has clearly telegraphed. Cuba,
Greenland and even Canada will be watching carefully and quietly
hoping that the venture ends in abject failure.
Otherwise it may not be his last attempt at regional conquest.
On 1/5/2026 7:56 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
]Trump seizes control of Venezuela. What next?It's about time someone did something about these dictators. So, I hope
Julius Strauss
Donald Trump has made his first major move to extend US dominance in
his neighbourhood, an ambition he has long telegraphed. What will
happen next? And will this be his last such gambit?
it's not the last time we stand up to the tyrants and the terrorists!
Good work!
Anwar al-'Awlaq?, September 30, 2011, an American-Yemeni Islamic cleric,
was assassinated in Yemen by a U.S. drone strike ordered by President
Barack Obama.
Osama bin Laden, May 1, 2011. President Obama spoke live on television
from the East Room making the announcement.
--The first I saw of US special forces in Afghanistan was bearded men
with colourful scarfs wrapped tightly around their heads and side-arms
strapped to their thighs.
It was late 2001 and I was in the north of the country a few weeks
after the 9/11 attacks to report from the frontline between the ruling
Taliban and their enemy, the Northern Alliance.
The Northern Alliance were delighted to see the Americans. After years
of fighting the Taliban single-handed, they were about to get a
massive injection of military aid and the most powerful ally in the
world.
A few weeks later I watched as US B-52 bombers emptied their deadly
loads onto a ridge line where the Taliban were dug in.
A decade passed and I was in Helmand in southern Afghanistan. A young
US Marine was brought into a medical facility at the base where I was
living. His legs had just been blown off below the knee, and his face
was a deathly grey.
The marine was one of 2,000 US soldiers who were killed in
Afghanistan. Around 20,000 more were injured. Many lost limbs to
roadside bombs and mines. The US finally withdrew in spectacular and
humiliating disarray in 2021.
Eighteen months after I watched the US bombers in action in
Afghanistan I was in northern Iraq talking to a US Green Beret called
Chuck. A mile or two down the road Saddam HusseinAs forces were
defending a frontline position.
On assignment for The Daily Telegraph in Afghanistan in 2001. The US
attack on the Taliban was held up as a model intervention at the time.
Chuck was what is known as a forward air controller, spotting for
warplanes overhead, and he began calling in air strikes. When the
Iraqis replied with mortar fire we took cover behind some concrete
walls.
Shortly afterwards Baghdad fell, Saddam was toppled, and Iraqi crowds
rejoiced. George W Bush, the US president, flew onto an aircraft
carrier to celebrate. A banner read aMission Accomplished.A
By the following year, when I returned to Iraq, the mood had soured.
US soldiers were widely hated and Washington had besmirched its
reputation by torturing prisoners at the notorious Abu Ghraib prison.
In the central city of Najaf I joined a group of Shia students. They
were so incensed by US brutality and mismanagement they had gathered
to take pot shots at its soldiers. The Americans responded with
withering automatic fire.
By 2007 Iraq was in full-scale civil war. Hundreds of thousands of
Iraqis and thousands of American soldiers were to die before Barack
Obama pulled out the troops in 2011.
All this flashed through my head when I heard that Trump had ordered
US special forces into Caracas and kidnapped President Nicolas Maduro
and his wife. For an American president who was elected on a ticket of
ending US involvement in foreign wars it was quite a move.
Maduro was a kleptocratic dictator, around eight million Venezuelans
had fled the country under his rule, and the economy was in ruins.
But Saddam had been a mass murderer responsible for the death of
hundreds of thousands of his countrymen.
The Taliban had run one of the most brutal regimes in AfghanistanAs
history - replete with theatrical touches such as killing adulterers
by stoning, or pushing a wall onto men convicted of sodomy.
Yet in each case the American intervention only made matters far
worse.
The Trump administration has boasted of the skill and precision of the
US Delta Force operatives which extracted Maduro without taking a
single casualty (though the operation did kill at least 80
Venezuelans).
But it is worth remembering that the US invasion of Afghanistan -
which relied on air power, special forces and millions of dollars in
cash to buy the favours of regional warlords - was also lauded as a
great success at the time.
At an American army base in Baghdad in 2004. The anti-American
insurgency was already escalating.
The lightning run to Baghdad by American tanks moving ahead of the
main attacking force in 2003 was similarly acclaimed as masterful.
Months later, however, as American bodies lay burned on the streets,
everything looked so different.
Will Venezuela end the same way? Can Trump really avoid the mistakes
of the past, install a pliant government, and rebuild VenezuelaAs oil
industry?
I wouldnAt put my money on it.
For one Maduro ruled a country that was home to myriad factions, many
of them heavily-armed, and some with their own designs on power.
Trump has eschewed the obvious choice of opposition leader Maria
Corina Machado to run the country, presumably on the basis that she
won the Nobel Peace Prize and he didnAt.
Furthermore the US doesnAt seem to have a follow-up plan in Venezuela,
other than to threaten another round of kidnapping and bombing.
Marco Rubio, the secretary of state, who has lobbied for intervention
in Venezuela for a decade, will now be tasked with overseeing the
running of the country.
But even he, a relative adult in a US administration made up largely
of miscreants, seems to have little solid idea of how to move forward.
The notion that American oil companies can siphon off the worldAs
largest reserves - mostly heavy crude that refineries on the US coast
of the Gulf of Mexico are thirsting for - seems naNve.
The invasion of Afghanistan ended up costing the US taxpayer around
two trillion dollars. It ended with US cargo planes taking off at
Kabul airport with desperate Afghans hanging from the undercarriage.
This potent image of American imperial weakness was almost certainly a
major factor in persuading Vladimir Putin that he could attack Ukraine
with little meaningful opposition from an enfeebled West.
As for Iraq, the bastard child of that invasion was ISIS, a group that
is still with us.
When the US military war-gamed intervention in Venezuela during
TrumpAs first term the results were anarchy and chaos. There is little
to suggest that the outcome today will be any different.
The attack on Caracas will further alienate WashingtonAs allies,
already badly bruised by TrumpAs high-handedness. And it will give
political cover to China if it decides to attack and annex Taiwan.
Since Trump was re-elected we have seen cack-handedness (the
on-again-off-again global tariff regime), immorality (his bullying of
Ukraine), and corruption (his promotion of sectors in which his family
has invested).
But his attempt to take over Venezuela and make off with its oil is
surely one of his most hubristic and ill-considered actions to date.
It is also his first serious effort to expand US dominance of the
Americas and the Arctic, an aim he has clearly telegraphed. Cuba,
Greenland and even Canada will be watching carefully and quietly
hoping that the venture ends in abject failure.
Otherwise it may not be his last attempt at regional conquest.
On Mon, 5 Jan 2026 14:02:42 -0800, Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote:
On 1/5/2026 7:56 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
]Trump seizes control of Venezuela. What next?It's about time someone did something about these dictators. So, I hope
Julius Strauss
Donald Trump has made his first major move to extend US dominance in
his neighbourhood, an ambition he has long telegraphed. What will
happen next? And will this be his last such gambit?
it's not the last time we stand up to the tyrants and the terrorists!
Next up then, somebody gets rid of himbo.
Good work!
Anwar al-'Awlaq?, September 30, 2011, an American-Yemeni Islamic cleric,
was assassinated in Yemen by a U.S. drone strike ordered by President
Barack Obama.
Osama bin Laden, May 1, 2011. President Obama spoke live on television
from the East Room making the announcement.
The first I saw of US special forces in Afghanistan was bearded men
with colourful scarfs wrapped tightly around their heads and side-arms
strapped to their thighs.
It was late 2001 and I was in the north of the country a few weeks
after the 9/11 attacks to report from the frontline between the ruling
Taliban and their enemy, the Northern Alliance.
The Northern Alliance were delighted to see the Americans. After years
of fighting the Taliban single-handed, they were about to get a
massive injection of military aid and the most powerful ally in the
world.
A few weeks later I watched as US B-52 bombers emptied their deadly
loads onto a ridge line where the Taliban were dug in.
A decade passed and I was in Helmand in southern Afghanistan. A young
US Marine was brought into a medical facility at the base where I was
living. His legs had just been blown off below the knee, and his face
was a deathly grey.
The marine was one of 2,000 US soldiers who were killed in
Afghanistan. Around 20,000 more were injured. Many lost limbs to
roadside bombs and mines. The US finally withdrew in spectacular and
humiliating disarray in 2021.
Eighteen months after I watched the US bombers in action in
Afghanistan I was in northern Iraq talking to a US Green Beret called
Chuck. A mile or two down the road Saddam Hussein-As forces were
defending a frontline position.
On assignment for The Daily Telegraph in Afghanistan in 2001. The US
attack on the Taliban was held up as a model intervention at the time.
Chuck was what is known as a forward air controller, spotting for
warplanes overhead, and he began calling in air strikes. When the
Iraqis replied with mortar fire we took cover behind some concrete
walls.
Shortly afterwards Baghdad fell, Saddam was toppled, and Iraqi crowds
rejoiced. George W Bush, the US president, flew onto an aircraft
carrier to celebrate. A banner read -aMission Accomplished.-A
By the following year, when I returned to Iraq, the mood had soured.
US soldiers were widely hated and Washington had besmirched its
reputation by torturing prisoners at the notorious Abu Ghraib prison.
In the central city of Najaf I joined a group of Shia students. They
were so incensed by US brutality and mismanagement they had gathered
to take pot shots at its soldiers. The Americans responded with
withering automatic fire.
By 2007 Iraq was in full-scale civil war. Hundreds of thousands of
Iraqis and thousands of American soldiers were to die before Barack
Obama pulled out the troops in 2011.
All this flashed through my head when I heard that Trump had ordered
US special forces into Caracas and kidnapped President Nicolas Maduro
and his wife. For an American president who was elected on a ticket of
ending US involvement in foreign wars it was quite a move.
Maduro was a kleptocratic dictator, around eight million Venezuelans
had fled the country under his rule, and the economy was in ruins.
But Saddam had been a mass murderer responsible for the death of
hundreds of thousands of his countrymen.
The Taliban had run one of the most brutal regimes in Afghanistan-As
history - replete with theatrical touches such as killing adulterers
by stoning, or pushing a wall onto men convicted of sodomy.
Yet in each case the American intervention only made matters far
worse.
The Trump administration has boasted of the skill and precision of the
US Delta Force operatives which extracted Maduro without taking a
single casualty (though the operation did kill at least 80
Venezuelans).
But it is worth remembering that the US invasion of Afghanistan -
which relied on air power, special forces and millions of dollars in
cash to buy the favours of regional warlords - was also lauded as a
great success at the time.
At an American army base in Baghdad in 2004. The anti-American
insurgency was already escalating.
The lightning run to Baghdad by American tanks moving ahead of the
main attacking force in 2003 was similarly acclaimed as masterful.
Months later, however, as American bodies lay burned on the streets,
everything looked so different.
Will Venezuela end the same way? Can Trump really avoid the mistakes
of the past, install a pliant government, and rebuild Venezuela-As oil
industry?
I wouldn-At put my money on it.
For one Maduro ruled a country that was home to myriad factions, many
of them heavily-armed, and some with their own designs on power.
Trump has eschewed the obvious choice of opposition leader Maria
Corina Machado to run the country, presumably on the basis that she
won the Nobel Peace Prize and he didn-At.
Furthermore the US doesn-At seem to have a follow-up plan in Venezuela,
other than to threaten another round of kidnapping and bombing.
Marco Rubio, the secretary of state, who has lobbied for intervention
in Venezuela for a decade, will now be tasked with overseeing the
running of the country.
But even he, a relative adult in a US administration made up largely
of miscreants, seems to have little solid idea of how to move forward.
The notion that American oil companies can siphon off the world-As
largest reserves - mostly heavy crude that refineries on the US coast
of the Gulf of Mexico are thirsting for - seems na|>ve.
The invasion of Afghanistan ended up costing the US taxpayer around
two trillion dollars. It ended with US cargo planes taking off at
Kabul airport with desperate Afghans hanging from the undercarriage.
This potent image of American imperial weakness was almost certainly a
major factor in persuading Vladimir Putin that he could attack Ukraine
with little meaningful opposition from an enfeebled West.
As for Iraq, the bastard child of that invasion was ISIS, a group that
is still with us.
When the US military war-gamed intervention in Venezuela during
Trump-As first term the results were anarchy and chaos. There is little
to suggest that the outcome today will be any different.
The attack on Caracas will further alienate Washington-As allies,
already badly bruised by Trump-As high-handedness. And it will give
political cover to China if it decides to attack and annex Taiwan.
Since Trump was re-elected we have seen cack-handedness (the
on-again-off-again global tariff regime), immorality (his bullying of
Ukraine), and corruption (his promotion of sectors in which his family
has invested).
But his attempt to take over Venezuela and make off with its oil is
surely one of his most hubristic and ill-considered actions to date.
It is also his first serious effort to expand US dominance of the
Americas and the Arctic, an aim he has clearly telegraphed. Cuba,
Greenland and even Canada will be watching carefully and quietly
hoping that the venture ends in abject failure.
Otherwise it may not be his last attempt at regional conquest.
Noah Sombrero <fedora@fea.st> wrote:
On Mon, 5 Jan 2026 14:02:42 -0800, Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote:
On 1/5/2026 7:56 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
]Trump seizes control of Venezuela. What next?It's about time someone did something about these dictators. So, I hope
Julius Strauss
Donald Trump has made his first major move to extend US dominance in
his neighbourhood, an ambition he has long telegraphed. What will
happen next? And will this be his last such gambit?
it's not the last time we stand up to the tyrants and the terrorists!
Next up then, somebody gets rid of himbo.
The democratic world agrees. And with him, get rid of the me first rot at
the core of the USA. Bring it on.
On 1/5/2026 2:39 PM, Tara wrote:
Noah Sombrero <fedora@fea.st> wrote:Down with Trump! This is Amerika!
On Mon, 5 Jan 2026 14:02:42 -0800, Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote:
On 1/5/2026 7:56 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
]Trump seizes control of Venezuela. What next?It's about time someone did something about these dictators. So, I hope >>>> it's not the last time we stand up to the tyrants and the terrorists!
Julius Strauss
Donald Trump has made his first major move to extend US dominance in >>>>> his neighbourhood, an ambition he has long telegraphed. What will
happen next? And will this be his last such gambit?
Next up then, somebody gets rid of himbo.
The democratic world agrees. And with him, get rid of the me first rot at
the core of the USA. Bring it on.
The question is, how long would it take for Venezuela to bounce back
from Socialism?
Noah Sombrero <fedora@fea.st> wrote:
On Mon, 5 Jan 2026 14:02:42 -0800, Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote:
On 1/5/2026 7:56 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
]Trump seizes control of Venezuela. What next?It's about time someone did something about these dictators. So, I hope
Julius Strauss
Donald Trump has made his first major move to extend US dominance in
his neighbourhood, an ambition he has long telegraphed. What will
happen next? And will this be his last such gambit?
it's not the last time we stand up to the tyrants and the terrorists!
Next up then, somebody gets rid of himbo.
The democratic world agrees. And with him, get rid of the me first rot at
the core of the USA. Bring it on.
On 1/5/2026 5:39 PM, Tara wrote:
Noah Sombrero <fedora@fea.st> wrote:
On Mon, 5 Jan 2026 14:02:42 -0800, Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote:
On 1/5/2026 7:56 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
]Trump seizes control of Venezuela. What next?It's about time someone did something about these dictators. So, I hope >>>> it's not the last time we stand up to the tyrants and the terrorists!
Julius Strauss
Donald Trump has made his first major move to extend US dominance in >>>>> his neighbourhood, an ambition he has long telegraphed. What will
happen next? And will this be his last such gambit?
Next up then, somebody gets rid of himbo.
The democratic world agrees. And with him, get rid of the me first rot at
the core of the USA. Bring it on.
I do sort of understand the feeling as I was that way about Canada's pusillanimous authoritarian theater-kid PM Justin. I couldn't understand
his apparent public support at all.
But I need to point out that the neo-liberal establishment currently in charge of Canada and much of western Europe is not the entire
"democratic world".
And he was after all democratically elected at least two times.
So even though Trudeau made my skin crawl I accepted that he was
Canada's legitimate elected leader. Because either you support elections
or you don't.
On 1/5/2026 5:39 PM, Tara wrote:
Noah Sombrero <fedora@fea.st> wrote:
On Mon, 5 Jan 2026 14:02:42 -0800, Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote:
On 1/5/2026 7:56 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
]Trump seizes control of Venezuela. What next?It's about time someone did something about these dictators. So, I hope >>>> it's not the last time we stand up to the tyrants and the terrorists!
Julius Strauss
Donald Trump has made his first major move to extend US dominance in >>>>> his neighbourhood, an ambition he has long telegraphed. What will
happen next? And will this be his last such gambit?
Next up then, somebody gets rid of himbo.
The democratic world agrees. And with him, get rid of the me first rot at
the core of the USA. Bring it on.
I do sort of understand the feeling as I was that way about Canada's pusillanimous authoritarian theater-kid PM Justin. I couldn't understand
his apparent public support at all.
But I need to point out that the neo-liberal establishment currently in charge of Canada and much of western Europe is not the entire
"democratic world".
And he was after all democratically elected at least two times.
So even though Trudeau made my skin crawl I accepted that he was
Canada's legitimate elected leader. Because either you support elections
or you don't.
On Jan 6, 2026 at 12:27:23rC>PM EST, "Wilson" <Wilson@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
On 1/5/2026 5:39 PM, Tara wrote:
Noah Sombrero <fedora@fea.st> wrote:
On Mon, 5 Jan 2026 14:02:42 -0800, Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> On 1/5/2026 7:56 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
Next up then, somebody gets rid of himbo.]Trump seizes control of Venezuela. What next?It's about time someone did something about these dictators. So, I hope >>>>> it's not the last time we stand up to the tyrants and the terrorists! >>>>
Julius Strauss
Donald Trump has made his first major move to extend US dominance in >>>>>> his neighbourhood, an ambition he has long telegraphed. What will
happen next? And will this be his last such gambit?
The democratic world agrees. And with him, get rid of the me first rot at >>> the core of the USA. Bring it on.
I do sort of understand the feeling as I was that way about Canada's
pusillanimous authoritarian theater-kid PM Justin. I couldn't understand
his apparent public support at all.
But I need to point out that the neo-liberal establishment currently in
charge of Canada and much of western Europe is not the entire
"democratic world".
And he was after all democratically elected at least two times.
So even though Trudeau made my skin crawl I accepted that he was
Canada's legitimate elected leader. Because either you support elections
or you don't.
Trudeau was no threat to your country. Your leader is a threat to Canada. How is that a similar scenario to Trudeau in any way.
And yeah, we know that trump is an elected leader in your country. I don't understand his support but as long as he doesn't threaten other countries, I have sympathy for the american people who don't support him, but it's, after all, your business, your country, your elections. I find it difficult to understand why Trudeau affected you in any way. He didn't do or threaten to hurt you in any way. He was our problem.
On 1/6/2026 12:59 PM, Tara wrote:
On Jan 6, 2026 at 12:27:23rC>PM EST, "Wilson" <Wilson@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
On 1/5/2026 5:39 PM, Tara wrote:
Noah Sombrero <fedora@fea.st> wrote:
On Mon, 5 Jan 2026 14:02:42 -0800, Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> On 1/5/2026 7:56 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
Next up then, somebody gets rid of himbo.]Trump seizes control of Venezuela. What next?It's about time someone did something about these dictators. So, I hope >>>>>> it's not the last time we stand up to the tyrants and the terrorists! >>>>>
Julius Strauss
Donald Trump has made his first major move to extend US dominance in >>>>>>> his neighbourhood, an ambition he has long telegraphed. What will >>>>>>> happen next? And will this be his last such gambit?
The democratic world agrees. And with him, get rid of the me first rot at >>>> the core of the USA. Bring it on.
I do sort of understand the feeling as I was that way about Canada's
pusillanimous authoritarian theater-kid PM Justin. I couldn't understand >>> his apparent public support at all.
But I need to point out that the neo-liberal establishment currently in
charge of Canada and much of western Europe is not the entire
"democratic world".
And he was after all democratically elected at least two times.
So even though Trudeau made my skin crawl I accepted that he was
Canada's legitimate elected leader. Because either you support elections >>> or you don't.
Trudeau was no threat to your country. Your leader is a threat to Canada. How
is that a similar scenario to Trudeau in any way.
And yeah, we know that trump is an elected leader in your country. I don't >> understand his support but as long as he doesn't threaten other countries, I >> have sympathy for the american people who don't support him, but it's, after >> all, your business, your country, your elections. I find it difficult to
understand why Trudeau affected you in any way. He didn't do or threaten to >> hurt you in any way. He was our problem.
He was the face (albeit a puppet) of the internationalist
neo-authoritarian neo-liberal world order, which is a threat to
individual liberty of people everywhere. They repeatedly demonstrate
they want to take away free speech and property rights, returning the
world to a serf (will own nothing) / elite (will control everything)
system.
Plus I loath the guy for what he did to the protesting truckers.
On Jan 6, 2026 at 1:41:03rC>PM EST, "Wilson" <Wilson@nowhere.invalid> wrote:It may sound extreme but it's not really. And it's far from having run
On 1/6/2026 12:59 PM, Tara wrote:
On Jan 6, 2026 at 12:27:23rC>PM EST, "Wilson" <Wilson@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
On 1/5/2026 5:39 PM, Tara wrote:
Noah Sombrero <fedora@fea.st> wrote:
On Mon, 5 Jan 2026 14:02:42 -0800, Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> On 1/5/2026 7:56 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
Next up then, somebody gets rid of himbo.]Trump seizes control of Venezuela. What next?It's about time someone did something about these dictators. So, I hope >>>>>>> it's not the last time we stand up to the tyrants and the terrorists! >>>>>>
Julius Strauss
Donald Trump has made his first major move to extend US dominance in >>>>>>>> his neighbourhood, an ambition he has long telegraphed. What will >>>>>>>> happen next? And will this be his last such gambit?
The democratic world agrees. And with him, get rid of the me first rot at >>>>> the core of the USA. Bring it on.
I do sort of understand the feeling as I was that way about Canada's
pusillanimous authoritarian theater-kid PM Justin. I couldn't understand >>>> his apparent public support at all.
But I need to point out that the neo-liberal establishment currently in >>>> charge of Canada and much of western Europe is not the entire
"democratic world".
And he was after all democratically elected at least two times.
So even though Trudeau made my skin crawl I accepted that he was
Canada's legitimate elected leader. Because either you support elections >>>> or you don't.
Trudeau was no threat to your country. Your leader is a threat to Canada. How
is that a similar scenario to Trudeau in any way.
And yeah, we know that trump is an elected leader in your country. I don't >>> understand his support but as long as he doesn't threaten other countries, I
have sympathy for the american people who don't support him, but it's, after
all, your business, your country, your elections. I find it difficult to >>> understand why Trudeau affected you in any way. He didn't do or threaten to >>> hurt you in any way. He was our problem.
He was the face (albeit a puppet) of the internationalist
neo-authoritarian neo-liberal world order, which is a threat to
individual liberty of people everywhere. They repeatedly demonstrate
they want to take away free speech and property rights, returning the
world to a serf (will own nothing) / elite (will control everything)
system.
An extreme description that. It was a movement that has or is running it's course - pretty much over. And I doubt Trudeau was that important or had any influence or threat to the world view. Even so, you, your country has/have no agency in what 'people everywhere' want or don't want. Quite simply MYOB.
On 1/6/2026 12:59 PM, Tara wrote:
On Jan 6, 2026 at 12:27:23?PM EST, "Wilson" <Wilson@nowhere.invalid> wrote: >>> On 1/5/2026 5:39 PM, Tara wrote:
Noah Sombrero <fedora@fea.st> wrote:
On Mon, 5 Jan 2026 14:02:42 -0800, Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> On 1/5/2026 7:56 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
Next up then, somebody gets rid of himbo.]Trump seizes control of Venezuela. What next?It's about time someone did something about these dictators. So, I hope >>>>>> it's not the last time we stand up to the tyrants and the terrorists! >>>>>
Julius Strauss
Donald Trump has made his first major move to extend US dominance in >>>>>>> his neighbourhood, an ambition he has long telegraphed. What will >>>>>>> happen next? And will this be his last such gambit?
The democratic world agrees. And with him, get rid of the me first rot at >>>> the core of the USA. Bring it on.
I do sort of understand the feeling as I was that way about Canada's
pusillanimous authoritarian theater-kid PM Justin. I couldn't understand >>> his apparent public support at all.
But I need to point out that the neo-liberal establishment currently in
charge of Canada and much of western Europe is not the entire
"democratic world".
And he was after all democratically elected at least two times.
So even though Trudeau made my skin crawl I accepted that he was
Canada's legitimate elected leader. Because either you support elections >>> or you don't.
Trudeau was no threat to your country. Your leader is a threat to Canada. How
is that a similar scenario to Trudeau in any way.
And yeah, we know that trump is an elected leader in your country. I don't >> understand his support but as long as he doesn't threaten other countries, I >> have sympathy for the american people who don't support him, but it's, after >> all, your business, your country, your elections. I find it difficult to
understand why Trudeau affected you in any way. He didn't do or threaten to >> hurt you in any way. He was our problem.
He was the face (albeit a puppet) of the internationalist
neo-authoritarian neo-liberal world order, which is a threat to
individual liberty of people everywhere. They repeatedly demonstrate
they want to take away free speech and property rights, returning the
world to a serf (will own nothing) / elite (will control everything)
system.
Plus I loath the guy for what he did to the protesting truckers.
On Tue, 6 Jan 2026 13:41:03 -0500, Wilson <Wilson@nowhere.invalid>
wrote:
On 1/6/2026 12:59 PM, Tara wrote:
On Jan 6, 2026 at 12:27:23?PM EST, "Wilson" <Wilson@nowhere.invalid> wrote: >>>> On 1/5/2026 5:39 PM, Tara wrote:
Noah Sombrero <fedora@fea.st> wrote:
On Mon, 5 Jan 2026 14:02:42 -0800, Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> On 1/5/2026 7:56 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
Next up then, somebody gets rid of himbo.]Trump seizes control of Venezuela. What next?It's about time someone did something about these dictators. So, I hope >>>>>>> it's not the last time we stand up to the tyrants and the terrorists! >>>>>>
Julius Strauss
Donald Trump has made his first major move to extend US dominance in >>>>>>>> his neighbourhood, an ambition he has long telegraphed. What will >>>>>>>> happen next? And will this be his last such gambit?
The democratic world agrees. And with him, get rid of the me first rot at >>>>> the core of the USA. Bring it on.
I do sort of understand the feeling as I was that way about Canada's
pusillanimous authoritarian theater-kid PM Justin. I couldn't understand >>>> his apparent public support at all.
But I need to point out that the neo-liberal establishment currently in >>>> charge of Canada and much of western Europe is not the entire
"democratic world".
And he was after all democratically elected at least two times.
So even though Trudeau made my skin crawl I accepted that he was
Canada's legitimate elected leader. Because either you support elections >>>> or you don't.
Trudeau was no threat to your country. Your leader is a threat to Canada. How
is that a similar scenario to Trudeau in any way.
And yeah, we know that trump is an elected leader in your country. I don't >>> understand his support but as long as he doesn't threaten other countries, I
have sympathy for the american people who don't support him, but it's, after
all, your business, your country, your elections. I find it difficult to >>> understand why Trudeau affected you in any way. He didn't do or threaten to >>> hurt you in any way. He was our problem.
He was the face (albeit a puppet) of the internationalist
neo-authoritarian neo-liberal world order, which is a threat to
individual liberty of people everywhere. They repeatedly demonstrate
they want to take away free speech and property rights, returning the
world to a serf (will own nothing) / elite (will control everything)
system.
Plus I loath the guy for what he did to the protesting truckers.
All of which is simply your opinion, your interpretation. The
protesting truckers were not hurt one bit. But you can't see that,
right?
On 1/6/2026 11:28 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Tue, 6 Jan 2026 13:41:03 -0500, Wilson <Wilson@nowhere.invalid>
wrote:
On 1/6/2026 12:59 PM, Tara wrote:
On Jan 6, 2026 at 12:27:23?PM EST, "Wilson" <Wilson@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
On 1/5/2026 5:39 PM, Tara wrote:
Noah Sombrero <fedora@fea.st> wrote:
On Mon, 5 Jan 2026 14:02:42 -0800, Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> On 1/5/2026 7:56 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
Next up then, somebody gets rid of himbo.]Trump seizes control of Venezuela. What next?It's about time someone did something about these dictators. So, I hope
Julius Strauss
Donald Trump has made his first major move to extend US dominance in >>>>>>>>> his neighbourhood, an ambition he has long telegraphed. What will >>>>>>>>> happen next? And will this be his last such gambit?
it's not the last time we stand up to the tyrants and the terrorists! >>>>>>>
The democratic world agrees. And with him, get rid of the me first rot at
the core of the USA. Bring it on.
I do sort of understand the feeling as I was that way about Canada's >>>>> pusillanimous authoritarian theater-kid PM Justin. I couldn't understand >>>>> his apparent public support at all.
But I need to point out that the neo-liberal establishment currently in >>>>> charge of Canada and much of western Europe is not the entire
"democratic world".
And he was after all democratically elected at least two times.
So even though Trudeau made my skin crawl I accepted that he was
Canada's legitimate elected leader. Because either you support elections >>>>> or you don't.
Trudeau was no threat to your country. Your leader is a threat to Canada. How
is that a similar scenario to Trudeau in any way.
And yeah, we know that trump is an elected leader in your country. I don't >>>> understand his support but as long as he doesn't threaten other countries, I
have sympathy for the american people who don't support him, but it's, after
all, your business, your country, your elections. I find it difficult to >>>> understand why Trudeau affected you in any way. He didn't do or threaten to
hurt you in any way. He was our problem.
He was the face (albeit a puppet) of the internationalist
neo-authoritarian neo-liberal world order, which is a threat to
individual liberty of people everywhere. They repeatedly demonstrate
they want to take away free speech and property rights, returning the
world to a serf (will own nothing) / elite (will control everything)
system.
Plus I loath the guy for what he did to the protesting truckers.
All of which is simply your opinion, your interpretation. The
protesting truckers were not hurt one bit. But you can't see that,
right?
It goes without saying that the opinions expressed by informants here
are their own and do not necessarily represent the views of all
subscribers to this list.
On Tue, 6 Jan 2026 15:44:38 -0800, Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote:
On 1/6/2026 11:28 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Tue, 6 Jan 2026 13:41:03 -0500, Wilson <Wilson@nowhere.invalid>It goes without saying that the opinions expressed by informants here
wrote:
On 1/6/2026 12:59 PM, Tara wrote:
On Jan 6, 2026 at 12:27:23?PM EST, "Wilson" <Wilson@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
On 1/5/2026 5:39 PM, Tara wrote:
Noah Sombrero <fedora@fea.st> wrote:
On Mon, 5 Jan 2026 14:02:42 -0800, Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> On 1/5/2026 7:56 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
Next up then, somebody gets rid of himbo.]Trump seizes control of Venezuela. What next?It's about time someone did something about these dictators. So, I hope
Julius Strauss
Donald Trump has made his first major move to extend US dominance in >>>>>>>>>> his neighbourhood, an ambition he has long telegraphed. What will >>>>>>>>>> happen next? And will this be his last such gambit?
it's not the last time we stand up to the tyrants and the terrorists! >>>>>>>>
The democratic world agrees. And with him, get rid of the me first rot at
the core of the USA. Bring it on.
I do sort of understand the feeling as I was that way about Canada's >>>>>> pusillanimous authoritarian theater-kid PM Justin. I couldn't understand >>>>>> his apparent public support at all.
But I need to point out that the neo-liberal establishment currently in >>>>>> charge of Canada and much of western Europe is not the entire
"democratic world".
And he was after all democratically elected at least two times.
So even though Trudeau made my skin crawl I accepted that he was
Canada's legitimate elected leader. Because either you support elections >>>>>> or you don't.
Trudeau was no threat to your country. Your leader is a threat to Canada. How
is that a similar scenario to Trudeau in any way.
And yeah, we know that trump is an elected leader in your country. I don't
understand his support but as long as he doesn't threaten other countries, I
have sympathy for the american people who don't support him, but it's, after
all, your business, your country, your elections. I find it difficult to >>>>> understand why Trudeau affected you in any way. He didn't do or threaten to
hurt you in any way. He was our problem.
He was the face (albeit a puppet) of the internationalist
neo-authoritarian neo-liberal world order, which is a threat to
individual liberty of people everywhere. They repeatedly demonstrate
they want to take away free speech and property rights, returning the
world to a serf (will own nothing) / elite (will control everything)
system.
Plus I loath the guy for what he did to the protesting truckers.
All of which is simply your opinion, your interpretation. The
protesting truckers were not hurt one bit. But you can't see that,
right?
are their own and do not necessarily represent the views of all
subscribers to this list.
Better to say it.
Sometimes we pretend that we know stuff.
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