On Thu, 1 Jan 2026 23:26:31 -0800, dart200
<user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
On 1/1/26 7:57 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Thu, 1 Jan 2026 16:14:12 -0800, dart200
<user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
On 1/1/26 12:09 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Thu, 1 Jan 2026 11:29:35 -0800, dart200
<user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
On 12/31/25 5:49 AM, Julian wrote:
On 30/12/2025 18:27, Wilson wrote:3 times higher of a rare event is still a rare event
On 12/30/2025 2:39 AM, dart200 wrote:
On 12/29/25 11:35 AM, Dude wrote:
So, I wonder. Apparently, there were those within the industry who >>>>>>>>>> questioned whether the route to EVs pushed by climate policymakers >>>>>>>>>> was right, feasible, or both or neither. YMMV.EVs are just a technically superior product that is still improving. >>>>>>>>> battery tech is far from maximal.
"Toyota Motor Corp.rCOs leader criticized what he described as >>>>>>>>>> excessive hype over electric vehicles, saying advocates failed to >>>>>>>>>> consider the carbon emitted by generating electricity and the costs >>>>>>>>>> of an EV transition." - The Wall Street Journal, December 17, 2020: >>>>>>>>>
ICEs are over complicated for no gains and have been essentially >>>>>>>>> maximally efficient for some time now.
All of that's true, but I still prefer internal combustion for their >>>>>>>> flexibility. If I had an EV as my only vehicle, I'd definitely rent an >>>>>>>> IC car for long trips.
Re: Safety
Fatal crash risk rCythree times higherrCO in hybrid cars than petrol >>>>>>
Unless it is your life that is on the line.
public transit is safer, u can just stick to that
As a sexual self image, that simply won't do.
i'm sorry u don't like having sex in public places???
Psychs say that cars are a display of self image. Especially sexual
self image. Thus those huge muscley pickup and those little sporty
jobs. Most of us are more plebeian in our display. But busses? Nope.
--that simply wont do ...
#god
Experts believe the higher death rates could be explained by hybrid >>>>>>> carsrCO combination of petrol engines and electric motors, which can be >>>>>>> more prone to fires
The official data shows that 122 people died in fatal collisions >>>>>>> involving hybrid cars last year, compared with 777 deaths in crashes >>>>>>> involving petrol-only vehicles.
With petrol models outnumbering hybrid vehicles by almost 20 to one on >>>>>>> UK roads, this suggests that hybrids are involved in approximately three
times as many fatal crashes.
Hybrid cars pair internal combustion engines with electric motors and >>>>>>> high-voltage battery systems. They are often favoured over straight >>>>>>> petrol and diesel cars or fully electric vehicles because they offer the
value provided by home charging, but the greater range and certainty >>>>>>> provided by combustion engines.
Overall, the data shows that there was one death for every 8,000 hybrid >>>>>>> cars on the roads last year compared with one death for every 20,000 >>>>>>> diesel vehicles, and one death for every 25,000 petrol engines.
The data suggests fully electric vehicles have the lowest fatality rate >>>>>>> at one death for every 55,000 of these cars on the road.
The figures, obtained by The Mail on Sunday, have alarmed road safety >>>>>>> specialists and led to calls for an inquiry into the reasons for the >>>>>>> difference.
Some experts believe the higher death rates could be explained by >>>>>>> hybridsrCO combination of petrol engines and batteries and electric >>>>>>> motors, which can be harder to control and more prone to fires.
A house fire started by a hybrid car vehicle that was parked outside >>>>>>> Daily Briefing newsletter Get our top stories and exclusive analysis >>>>>>> sent straight to your inbox every morning.-a Sign up with one click >>>>>>> Emergency services may also require special training and equipment to >>>>>>> deal with the different nature of hybrid fires, including the risk of >>>>>>> toxic gases and battery thermal events.
Nicholas Lyes, of the road safety charity IAM RoadSmart, said: rCLPlug-in
hybrids are often heavier and more complex vehicles owing to the fact >>>>>>> they run on both a traditional combustion engine and a battery.rCY >>>>>>>
He warned that such complexity, with rCLtwo power sources, two cooling >>>>>>> systems and more complicated electronics and wiringrCY, could create >>>>>>> rCLcomplex fire scenarios which are harder for firemen to put outrCY. >>>>>>>
The concern over fires is not confined to crashes.
The Ford Kuga plug-in hybrid, one of the UKrCOs more popular electrified
vehicles, has been the subject of multiple battery-related fire risk >>>>>>> recalls.
In March 2025, Ford issued a recall for thousands of Kugas after it >>>>>>> emerged that a high-voltage battery short-circuit defect could cause a >>>>>>> rCLStop Safely NowrCY warning and potential loss of power, or even thermal
battery venting if severe, increasing the risk of fire. Owners were >>>>>>> warned not to charge their vehicles until a remedy was available and to >>>>>>> operate them in petrol-only mode where possible while waiting for >>>>>>> software updates.
Earlier Kuga models were also recalled over concerns about overheating >>>>>>> batteries, with several vehicles reported to have caught fire in Europe.
Despite the worrying data, official crash-test performance on many >>>>>>> hybrid vehicles remains broadly positive. The Ford Kuga plug-in, for >>>>>>> example, has achieved strong occupant protection scores in Euro NCAP >>>>>>> testing, with a five-star overall rating.
Experts also warned that raw fatality figures without adjusting for >>>>>>> exposure, age, usage and mechanical variances, meant the statistics >>>>>>> offered only a starting point for discussion rather than a definitive >>>>>>> assessment of risk.
Battery-related fires in electric and hybrid vehicles also remain rare >>>>>>> although when they occur they can be intense and protracted, often >>>>>>> requiring specialised firefighting techniques.
Car safety analysts suggested that several factors could contribute to >>>>>>> the disproportionate fatality rate seen in hybrids. The additional >>>>>>> weight of batteries and electric motors alters vehicle dynamics and >>>>>>> crash energy distribution compared with single-engine cars.
Batteries situated under the vehicle floor, for example, have different >>>>>>> crush behaviour in high-impact scenarios. And while internal combustion >>>>>>> engines can ignite petrol in crashes, lithium-ion battery thermal events
though infrequent burn hotter and with chemical complexity, requiring >>>>>>> specialised suppression agents and protective equipment.
Hybrid vehicles also tend to cover many miles in commercial use, for >>>>>>> example, when used as taxis, potentially exposing them to more risk over
their lifetimes. Additionally, batteries degrade with age and use, which
could influence safety outcomes if not properly managed or replaced. >>>>>>>
Nonetheless, the RAC Foundation yesterday called for a rCLdedicated >>>>>>> investigationrCY to examine the reasons for the higher fatality rate in >>>>>>> hybrids.
Steve Gooding, of the organisation, said: rCLItrCOs high time we had a >>>>>>> specialist resource to address road safety risk.rCY
Andrew Ellson
On 1/2/26 8:25 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Thu, 1 Jan 2026 23:26:31 -0800, dart200
<user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
On 1/1/26 7:57 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Thu, 1 Jan 2026 16:14:12 -0800, dart200
<user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
On 1/1/26 12:09 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Thu, 1 Jan 2026 11:29:35 -0800, dart200
<user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
On 12/31/25 5:49 AM, Julian wrote:
On 30/12/2025 18:27, Wilson wrote:3 times higher of a rare event is still a rare event
On 12/30/2025 2:39 AM, dart200 wrote:
On 12/29/25 11:35 AM, Dude wrote:
So, I wonder. Apparently, there were those within the industry who >>>>>>>>>>> questioned whether the route to EVs pushed by climate policymakers >>>>>>>>>>> was right, feasible, or both or neither. YMMV.EVs are just a technically superior product that is still improving. >>>>>>>>>> battery tech is far from maximal.
"Toyota Motor Corp.As leader criticized what he described as >>>>>>>>>>> excessive hype over electric vehicles, saying advocates failed to >>>>>>>>>>> consider the carbon emitted by generating electricity and the costs >>>>>>>>>>> of an EV transition." - The Wall Street Journal, December 17, 2020: >>>>>>>>>>
ICEs are over complicated for no gains and have been essentially >>>>>>>>>> maximally efficient for some time now.
All of that's true, but I still prefer internal combustion for their >>>>>>>>> flexibility. If I had an EV as my only vehicle, I'd definitely rent an
IC car for long trips.
Re: Safety
Fatal crash risk athree times higherA in hybrid cars than petrol >>>>>>>
Unless it is your life that is on the line.
public transit is safer, u can just stick to that
As a sexual self image, that simply won't do.
i'm sorry u don't like having sex in public places???
Psychs say that cars are a display of self image. Especially sexual
self image. Thus those huge muscley pickup and those little sporty
jobs. Most of us are more plebeian in our display. But busses? Nope.
but what *DO* busses represent ... ???
--
that simply wont do ...
#god
Experts believe the higher death rates could be explained by hybrid >>>>>>>> carsA combination of petrol engines and electric motors, which can be >>>>>>>> more prone to fires
The official data shows that 122 people died in fatal collisions >>>>>>>> involving hybrid cars last year, compared with 777 deaths in crashes >>>>>>>> involving petrol-only vehicles.
With petrol models outnumbering hybrid vehicles by almost 20 to one on >>>>>>>> UK roads, this suggests that hybrids are involved in approximately three
times as many fatal crashes.
Hybrid cars pair internal combustion engines with electric motors and >>>>>>>> high-voltage battery systems. They are often favoured over straight >>>>>>>> petrol and diesel cars or fully electric vehicles because they offer the
value provided by home charging, but the greater range and certainty >>>>>>>> provided by combustion engines.
Overall, the data shows that there was one death for every 8,000 hybrid
cars on the roads last year compared with one death for every 20,000 >>>>>>>> diesel vehicles, and one death for every 25,000 petrol engines. >>>>>>>>
The data suggests fully electric vehicles have the lowest fatality rate
at one death for every 55,000 of these cars on the road.
The figures, obtained by The Mail on Sunday, have alarmed road safety >>>>>>>> specialists and led to calls for an inquiry into the reasons for the >>>>>>>> difference.
Some experts believe the higher death rates could be explained by >>>>>>>> hybridsA combination of petrol engines and batteries and electric >>>>>>>> motors, which can be harder to control and more prone to fires. >>>>>>>>
A house fire started by a hybrid car vehicle that was parked outside >>>>>>>> Daily Briefing newsletter Get our top stories and exclusive analysis >>>>>>>> sent straight to your inbox every morning.a Sign up with one click >>>>>>>> Emergency services may also require special training and equipment to >>>>>>>> deal with the different nature of hybrid fires, including the risk of >>>>>>>> toxic gases and battery thermal events.
Nicholas Lyes, of the road safety charity IAM RoadSmart, said: oPlug-in
hybrids are often heavier and more complex vehicles owing to the fact >>>>>>>> they run on both a traditional combustion engine and a battery.o >>>>>>>>
He warned that such complexity, with otwo power sources, two cooling >>>>>>>> systems and more complicated electronics and wiringo, could create >>>>>>>> ocomplex fire scenarios which are harder for firemen to put outo. >>>>>>>>
The concern over fires is not confined to crashes.
The Ford Kuga plug-in hybrid, one of the UKAs more popular electrified >>>>>>>> vehicles, has been the subject of multiple battery-related fire risk >>>>>>>> recalls.
In March 2025, Ford issued a recall for thousands of Kugas after it >>>>>>>> emerged that a high-voltage battery short-circuit defect could cause a >>>>>>>> oStop Safely Nowo warning and potential loss of power, or even thermal >>>>>>>> battery venting if severe, increasing the risk of fire. Owners were >>>>>>>> warned not to charge their vehicles until a remedy was available and to
operate them in petrol-only mode where possible while waiting for >>>>>>>> software updates.
Earlier Kuga models were also recalled over concerns about overheating >>>>>>>> batteries, with several vehicles reported to have caught fire in Europe.
Despite the worrying data, official crash-test performance on many >>>>>>>> hybrid vehicles remains broadly positive. The Ford Kuga plug-in, for >>>>>>>> example, has achieved strong occupant protection scores in Euro NCAP >>>>>>>> testing, with a five-star overall rating.
Experts also warned that raw fatality figures without adjusting for >>>>>>>> exposure, age, usage and mechanical variances, meant the statistics >>>>>>>> offered only a starting point for discussion rather than a definitive >>>>>>>> assessment of risk.
Battery-related fires in electric and hybrid vehicles also remain rare >>>>>>>> although when they occur they can be intense and protracted, often >>>>>>>> requiring specialised firefighting techniques.
Car safety analysts suggested that several factors could contribute to >>>>>>>> the disproportionate fatality rate seen in hybrids. The additional >>>>>>>> weight of batteries and electric motors alters vehicle dynamics and >>>>>>>> crash energy distribution compared with single-engine cars.
Batteries situated under the vehicle floor, for example, have different
crush behaviour in high-impact scenarios. And while internal combustion
engines can ignite petrol in crashes, lithium-ion battery thermal events
though infrequent burn hotter and with chemical complexity, requiring >>>>>>>> specialised suppression agents and protective equipment.
Hybrid vehicles also tend to cover many miles in commercial use, for >>>>>>>> example, when used as taxis, potentially exposing them to more risk over
their lifetimes. Additionally, batteries degrade with age and use, which
could influence safety outcomes if not properly managed or replaced. >>>>>>>>
Nonetheless, the RAC Foundation yesterday called for a odedicated >>>>>>>> investigationo to examine the reasons for the higher fatality rate in >>>>>>>> hybrids.
Steve Gooding, of the organisation, said: oItAs high time we had a >>>>>>>> specialist resource to address road safety risk.o
Andrew Ellson
On Sat, 3 Jan 2026 01:57:34 -0800, dart200
<user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
On 1/2/26 8:25 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Thu, 1 Jan 2026 23:26:31 -0800, dart200
<user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
On 1/1/26 7:57 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Thu, 1 Jan 2026 16:14:12 -0800, dart200
<user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
On 1/1/26 12:09 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Thu, 1 Jan 2026 11:29:35 -0800, dart200
<user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
On 12/31/25 5:49 AM, Julian wrote:
On 30/12/2025 18:27, Wilson wrote:3 times higher of a rare event is still a rare event
On 12/30/2025 2:39 AM, dart200 wrote:
On 12/29/25 11:35 AM, Dude wrote:
So, I wonder. Apparently, there were those within the industry who >>>>>>>>>>>> questioned whether the route to EVs pushed by climate policymakers >>>>>>>>>>>> was right, feasible, or both or neither. YMMV.
"Toyota Motor Corp.rCOs leader criticized what he described as >>>>>>>>>>>> excessive hype over electric vehicles, saying advocates failed to >>>>>>>>>>>> consider the carbon emitted by generating electricity and the costs
of an EV transition." - The Wall Street Journal, December 17, 2020:
EVs are just a technically superior product that is still improving.
battery tech is far from maximal.
ICEs are over complicated for no gains and have been essentially >>>>>>>>>>> maximally efficient for some time now.
All of that's true, but I still prefer internal combustion for their >>>>>>>>>> flexibility. If I had an EV as my only vehicle, I'd definitely rent an
IC car for long trips.
Re: Safety
Fatal crash risk rCythree times higherrCO in hybrid cars than petrol >>>>>>>>
Unless it is your life that is on the line.
public transit is safer, u can just stick to that
As a sexual self image, that simply won't do.
i'm sorry u don't like having sex in public places???
Psychs say that cars are a display of self image. Especially sexual
self image. Thus those huge muscley pickup and those little sporty
jobs. Most of us are more plebeian in our display. But busses? Nope.
but what *DO* busses represent ... ???
Fat, dirty, sweaty old people.
--
that simply wont do ...
#god
Experts believe the higher death rates could be explained by hybrid >>>>>>>>> carsrCO combination of petrol engines and electric motors, which can be
more prone to fires
The official data shows that 122 people died in fatal collisions >>>>>>>>> involving hybrid cars last year, compared with 777 deaths in crashes >>>>>>>>> involving petrol-only vehicles.
With petrol models outnumbering hybrid vehicles by almost 20 to one on
UK roads, this suggests that hybrids are involved in approximately three
times as many fatal crashes.
Hybrid cars pair internal combustion engines with electric motors and >>>>>>>>> high-voltage battery systems. They are often favoured over straight >>>>>>>>> petrol and diesel cars or fully electric vehicles because they offer the
value provided by home charging, but the greater range and certainty >>>>>>>>> provided by combustion engines.
Overall, the data shows that there was one death for every 8,000 hybrid
cars on the roads last year compared with one death for every 20,000 >>>>>>>>> diesel vehicles, and one death for every 25,000 petrol engines. >>>>>>>>>
The data suggests fully electric vehicles have the lowest fatality rate
at one death for every 55,000 of these cars on the road.
The figures, obtained by The Mail on Sunday, have alarmed road safety >>>>>>>>> specialists and led to calls for an inquiry into the reasons for the >>>>>>>>> difference.
Some experts believe the higher death rates could be explained by >>>>>>>>> hybridsrCO combination of petrol engines and batteries and electric >>>>>>>>> motors, which can be harder to control and more prone to fires. >>>>>>>>>
A house fire started by a hybrid car vehicle that was parked outside >>>>>>>>> Daily Briefing newsletter Get our top stories and exclusive analysis >>>>>>>>> sent straight to your inbox every morning.-a Sign up with one click >>>>>>>>> Emergency services may also require special training and equipment to >>>>>>>>> deal with the different nature of hybrid fires, including the risk of >>>>>>>>> toxic gases and battery thermal events.
Nicholas Lyes, of the road safety charity IAM RoadSmart, said: rCLPlug-in
hybrids are often heavier and more complex vehicles owing to the fact >>>>>>>>> they run on both a traditional combustion engine and a battery.rCY >>>>>>>>>
He warned that such complexity, with rCLtwo power sources, two cooling
systems and more complicated electronics and wiringrCY, could create >>>>>>>>> rCLcomplex fire scenarios which are harder for firemen to put outrCY. >>>>>>>>>
The concern over fires is not confined to crashes.
The Ford Kuga plug-in hybrid, one of the UKrCOs more popular electrified
vehicles, has been the subject of multiple battery-related fire risk >>>>>>>>> recalls.
In March 2025, Ford issued a recall for thousands of Kugas after it >>>>>>>>> emerged that a high-voltage battery short-circuit defect could cause a
rCLStop Safely NowrCY warning and potential loss of power, or even thermal
battery venting if severe, increasing the risk of fire. Owners were >>>>>>>>> warned not to charge their vehicles until a remedy was available and to
operate them in petrol-only mode where possible while waiting for >>>>>>>>> software updates.
Earlier Kuga models were also recalled over concerns about overheating
batteries, with several vehicles reported to have caught fire in Europe.
Despite the worrying data, official crash-test performance on many >>>>>>>>> hybrid vehicles remains broadly positive. The Ford Kuga plug-in, for >>>>>>>>> example, has achieved strong occupant protection scores in Euro NCAP >>>>>>>>> testing, with a five-star overall rating.
Experts also warned that raw fatality figures without adjusting for >>>>>>>>> exposure, age, usage and mechanical variances, meant the statistics >>>>>>>>> offered only a starting point for discussion rather than a definitive >>>>>>>>> assessment of risk.
Battery-related fires in electric and hybrid vehicles also remain rare
although when they occur they can be intense and protracted, often >>>>>>>>> requiring specialised firefighting techniques.
Car safety analysts suggested that several factors could contribute to
the disproportionate fatality rate seen in hybrids. The additional >>>>>>>>> weight of batteries and electric motors alters vehicle dynamics and >>>>>>>>> crash energy distribution compared with single-engine cars.
Batteries situated under the vehicle floor, for example, have different
crush behaviour in high-impact scenarios. And while internal combustion
engines can ignite petrol in crashes, lithium-ion battery thermal events
though infrequent burn hotter and with chemical complexity, requiring >>>>>>>>> specialised suppression agents and protective equipment.
Hybrid vehicles also tend to cover many miles in commercial use, for >>>>>>>>> example, when used as taxis, potentially exposing them to more risk over
their lifetimes. Additionally, batteries degrade with age and use, which
could influence safety outcomes if not properly managed or replaced. >>>>>>>>>
Nonetheless, the RAC Foundation yesterday called for a rCLdedicated >>>>>>>>> investigationrCY to examine the reasons for the higher fatality rate in
hybrids.
Steve Gooding, of the organisation, said: rCLItrCOs high time we had a
specialist resource to address road safety risk.rCY
Andrew Ellson
On 1/3/26 6:48 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Sat, 3 Jan 2026 01:57:34 -0800, dart200
<user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
On 1/2/26 8:25 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Thu, 1 Jan 2026 23:26:31 -0800, dart200
<user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
On 1/1/26 7:57 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Thu, 1 Jan 2026 16:14:12 -0800, dart200
<user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
On 1/1/26 12:09 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Thu, 1 Jan 2026 11:29:35 -0800, dart200
<user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
On 12/31/25 5:49 AM, Julian wrote:
On 30/12/2025 18:27, Wilson wrote:3 times higher of a rare event is still a rare event
On 12/30/2025 2:39 AM, dart200 wrote:
On 12/29/25 11:35 AM, Dude wrote:
So, I wonder. Apparently, there were those within the industry who
questioned whether the route to EVs pushed by climate policymakers
was right, feasible, or both or neither. YMMV.
"Toyota Motor Corp.rCOs leader criticized what he described as >>>>>>>>>>>>> excessive hype over electric vehicles, saying advocates failed to >>>>>>>>>>>>> consider the carbon emitted by generating electricity and the costs
of an EV transition." - The Wall Street Journal, December 17, 2020:
EVs are just a technically superior product that is still improving.
battery tech is far from maximal.
ICEs are over complicated for no gains and have been essentially >>>>>>>>>>>> maximally efficient for some time now.
All of that's true, but I still prefer internal combustion for their
flexibility. If I had an EV as my only vehicle, I'd definitely rent an
IC car for long trips.
Re: Safety
Fatal crash risk rCythree times higherrCO in hybrid cars than petrol >>>>>>>>>
Unless it is your life that is on the line.
public transit is safer, u can just stick to that
As a sexual self image, that simply won't do.
i'm sorry u don't like having sex in public places???
Psychs say that cars are a display of self image. Especially sexual
self image. Thus those huge muscley pickup and those little sporty
jobs. Most of us are more plebeian in our display. But busses? Nope.
but what *DO* busses represent ... ???
Fat, dirty, sweaty old people.
never been to anywhere not north america, eh?
cause they certainly ain't like that in japan or europe or philippines
or like most places in the world where everyone of all ages uses public transport.
--- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
that simply wont do ...
#god
Experts believe the higher death rates could be explained by hybrid >>>>>>>>>> carsrCO combination of petrol engines and electric motors, which can be
more prone to fires
The official data shows that 122 people died in fatal collisions >>>>>>>>>> involving hybrid cars last year, compared with 777 deaths in crashes >>>>>>>>>> involving petrol-only vehicles.
With petrol models outnumbering hybrid vehicles by almost 20 to one on
UK roads, this suggests that hybrids are involved in approximately three
times as many fatal crashes.
Hybrid cars pair internal combustion engines with electric motors and
high-voltage battery systems. They are often favoured over straight >>>>>>>>>> petrol and diesel cars or fully electric vehicles because they offer the
value provided by home charging, but the greater range and certainty >>>>>>>>>> provided by combustion engines.
Overall, the data shows that there was one death for every 8,000 hybrid
cars on the roads last year compared with one death for every 20,000 >>>>>>>>>> diesel vehicles, and one death for every 25,000 petrol engines. >>>>>>>>>>
The data suggests fully electric vehicles have the lowest fatality rate
at one death for every 55,000 of these cars on the road.
The figures, obtained by The Mail on Sunday, have alarmed road safety
specialists and led to calls for an inquiry into the reasons for the >>>>>>>>>> difference.
Some experts believe the higher death rates could be explained by >>>>>>>>>> hybridsrCO combination of petrol engines and batteries and electric >>>>>>>>>> motors, which can be harder to control and more prone to fires. >>>>>>>>>>
A house fire started by a hybrid car vehicle that was parked outside >>>>>>>>>> Daily Briefing newsletter Get our top stories and exclusive analysis >>>>>>>>>> sent straight to your inbox every morning. Sign up with one click >>>>>>>>>> Emergency services may also require special training and equipment to
deal with the different nature of hybrid fires, including the risk of
toxic gases and battery thermal events.
Nicholas Lyes, of the road safety charity IAM RoadSmart, said: rCLPlug-in
hybrids are often heavier and more complex vehicles owing to the fact
they run on both a traditional combustion engine and a battery.rCY >>>>>>>>>>
He warned that such complexity, with rCLtwo power sources, two cooling
systems and more complicated electronics and wiringrCY, could create >>>>>>>>>> rCLcomplex fire scenarios which are harder for firemen to put outrCY.
The concern over fires is not confined to crashes.
The Ford Kuga plug-in hybrid, one of the UKrCOs more popular electrified
vehicles, has been the subject of multiple battery-related fire risk >>>>>>>>>> recalls.
In March 2025, Ford issued a recall for thousands of Kugas after it >>>>>>>>>> emerged that a high-voltage battery short-circuit defect could cause a
rCLStop Safely NowrCY warning and potential loss of power, or even thermal
battery venting if severe, increasing the risk of fire. Owners were >>>>>>>>>> warned not to charge their vehicles until a remedy was available and to
operate them in petrol-only mode where possible while waiting for >>>>>>>>>> software updates.
Earlier Kuga models were also recalled over concerns about overheating
batteries, with several vehicles reported to have caught fire in Europe.
Despite the worrying data, official crash-test performance on many >>>>>>>>>> hybrid vehicles remains broadly positive. The Ford Kuga plug-in, for >>>>>>>>>> example, has achieved strong occupant protection scores in Euro NCAP >>>>>>>>>> testing, with a five-star overall rating.
Experts also warned that raw fatality figures without adjusting for >>>>>>>>>> exposure, age, usage and mechanical variances, meant the statistics >>>>>>>>>> offered only a starting point for discussion rather than a definitive
assessment of risk.
Battery-related fires in electric and hybrid vehicles also remain rare
although when they occur they can be intense and protracted, often >>>>>>>>>> requiring specialised firefighting techniques.
Car safety analysts suggested that several factors could contribute to
the disproportionate fatality rate seen in hybrids. The additional >>>>>>>>>> weight of batteries and electric motors alters vehicle dynamics and >>>>>>>>>> crash energy distribution compared with single-engine cars. >>>>>>>>>>
Batteries situated under the vehicle floor, for example, have different
crush behaviour in high-impact scenarios. And while internal combustion
engines can ignite petrol in crashes, lithium-ion battery thermal events
though infrequent burn hotter and with chemical complexity, requiring
specialised suppression agents and protective equipment.
Hybrid vehicles also tend to cover many miles in commercial use, for >>>>>>>>>> example, when used as taxis, potentially exposing them to more risk over
their lifetimes. Additionally, batteries degrade with age and use, which
could influence safety outcomes if not properly managed or replaced. >>>>>>>>>>
Nonetheless, the RAC Foundation yesterday called for a rCLdedicated >>>>>>>>>> investigationrCY to examine the reasons for the higher fatality rate in
hybrids.
Steve Gooding, of the organisation, said: rCLItrCOs high time we had a
specialist resource to address road safety risk.rCY
Andrew Ellson
On 1/3/26 6:48 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Sat, 3 Jan 2026 01:57:34 -0800, dart200
<user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
On 1/2/26 8:25 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Thu, 1 Jan 2026 23:26:31 -0800, dart200
<user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
On 1/1/26 7:57 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Thu, 1 Jan 2026 16:14:12 -0800, dart200
<user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
On 1/1/26 12:09 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Thu, 1 Jan 2026 11:29:35 -0800, dart200
<user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
On 12/31/25 5:49 AM, Julian wrote:
On 30/12/2025 18:27, Wilson wrote:3 times higher of a rare event is still a rare event
On 12/30/2025 2:39 AM, dart200 wrote:
On 12/29/25 11:35 AM, Dude wrote:
So, I wonder. Apparently, there were those within the industry who
questioned whether the route to EVs pushed by climate policymakers
was right, feasible, or both or neither. YMMV.
"Toyota Motor Corp.As leader criticized what he described as >>>>>>>>>>>>> excessive hype over electric vehicles, saying advocates failed to >>>>>>>>>>>>> consider the carbon emitted by generating electricity and the costs
of an EV transition." - The Wall Street Journal, December 17, 2020:
EVs are just a technically superior product that is still improving.
battery tech is far from maximal.
ICEs are over complicated for no gains and have been essentially >>>>>>>>>>>> maximally efficient for some time now.
All of that's true, but I still prefer internal combustion for their
flexibility. If I had an EV as my only vehicle, I'd definitely rent an
IC car for long trips.
Re: Safety
Fatal crash risk athree times higherA in hybrid cars than petrol >>>>>>>>>
Unless it is your life that is on the line.
public transit is safer, u can just stick to that
As a sexual self image, that simply won't do.
i'm sorry u don't like having sex in public places???
Psychs say that cars are a display of self image. Especially sexual
self image. Thus those huge muscley pickup and those little sporty
jobs. Most of us are more plebeian in our display. But busses? Nope.
but what *DO* busses represent ... ???
Fat, dirty, sweaty old people.
never been to anywhere not north america, eh?
cause they certainly ain't like that in japan or europe or philippines
or like most places in the world where everyone of all ages uses public >transport.
--
that simply wont do ...
#god
Experts believe the higher death rates could be explained by hybrid >>>>>>>>>> carsA combination of petrol engines and electric motors, which can be
more prone to fires
The official data shows that 122 people died in fatal collisions >>>>>>>>>> involving hybrid cars last year, compared with 777 deaths in crashes >>>>>>>>>> involving petrol-only vehicles.
With petrol models outnumbering hybrid vehicles by almost 20 to one on
UK roads, this suggests that hybrids are involved in approximately three
times as many fatal crashes.
Hybrid cars pair internal combustion engines with electric motors and
high-voltage battery systems. They are often favoured over straight >>>>>>>>>> petrol and diesel cars or fully electric vehicles because they offer the
value provided by home charging, but the greater range and certainty >>>>>>>>>> provided by combustion engines.
Overall, the data shows that there was one death for every 8,000 hybrid
cars on the roads last year compared with one death for every 20,000 >>>>>>>>>> diesel vehicles, and one death for every 25,000 petrol engines. >>>>>>>>>>
The data suggests fully electric vehicles have the lowest fatality rate
at one death for every 55,000 of these cars on the road.
The figures, obtained by The Mail on Sunday, have alarmed road safety
specialists and led to calls for an inquiry into the reasons for the >>>>>>>>>> difference.
Some experts believe the higher death rates could be explained by >>>>>>>>>> hybridsA combination of petrol engines and batteries and electric >>>>>>>>>> motors, which can be harder to control and more prone to fires. >>>>>>>>>>
A house fire started by a hybrid car vehicle that was parked outside >>>>>>>>>> Daily Briefing newsletter Get our top stories and exclusive analysis >>>>>>>>>> sent straight to your inbox every morning.a Sign up with one click >>>>>>>>>> Emergency services may also require special training and equipment to
deal with the different nature of hybrid fires, including the risk of
toxic gases and battery thermal events.
Nicholas Lyes, of the road safety charity IAM RoadSmart, said: oPlug-in
hybrids are often heavier and more complex vehicles owing to the fact
they run on both a traditional combustion engine and a battery.o >>>>>>>>>>
He warned that such complexity, with otwo power sources, two cooling >>>>>>>>>> systems and more complicated electronics and wiringo, could create >>>>>>>>>> ocomplex fire scenarios which are harder for firemen to put outo. >>>>>>>>>>
The concern over fires is not confined to crashes.
The Ford Kuga plug-in hybrid, one of the UKAs more popular electrified
vehicles, has been the subject of multiple battery-related fire risk >>>>>>>>>> recalls.
In March 2025, Ford issued a recall for thousands of Kugas after it >>>>>>>>>> emerged that a high-voltage battery short-circuit defect could cause a
oStop Safely Nowo warning and potential loss of power, or even thermal
battery venting if severe, increasing the risk of fire. Owners were >>>>>>>>>> warned not to charge their vehicles until a remedy was available and to
operate them in petrol-only mode where possible while waiting for >>>>>>>>>> software updates.
Earlier Kuga models were also recalled over concerns about overheating
batteries, with several vehicles reported to have caught fire in Europe.
Despite the worrying data, official crash-test performance on many >>>>>>>>>> hybrid vehicles remains broadly positive. The Ford Kuga plug-in, for >>>>>>>>>> example, has achieved strong occupant protection scores in Euro NCAP >>>>>>>>>> testing, with a five-star overall rating.
Experts also warned that raw fatality figures without adjusting for >>>>>>>>>> exposure, age, usage and mechanical variances, meant the statistics >>>>>>>>>> offered only a starting point for discussion rather than a definitive
assessment of risk.
Battery-related fires in electric and hybrid vehicles also remain rare
although when they occur they can be intense and protracted, often >>>>>>>>>> requiring specialised firefighting techniques.
Car safety analysts suggested that several factors could contribute to
the disproportionate fatality rate seen in hybrids. The additional >>>>>>>>>> weight of batteries and electric motors alters vehicle dynamics and >>>>>>>>>> crash energy distribution compared with single-engine cars. >>>>>>>>>>
Batteries situated under the vehicle floor, for example, have different
crush behaviour in high-impact scenarios. And while internal combustion
engines can ignite petrol in crashes, lithium-ion battery thermal events
though infrequent burn hotter and with chemical complexity, requiring
specialised suppression agents and protective equipment.
Hybrid vehicles also tend to cover many miles in commercial use, for >>>>>>>>>> example, when used as taxis, potentially exposing them to more risk over
their lifetimes. Additionally, batteries degrade with age and use, which
could influence safety outcomes if not properly managed or replaced. >>>>>>>>>>
Nonetheless, the RAC Foundation yesterday called for a odedicated >>>>>>>>>> investigationo to examine the reasons for the higher fatality rate in
hybrids.
Steve Gooding, of the organisation, said: oItAs high time we had a >>>>>>>>>> specialist resource to address road safety risk.o
Andrew Ellson
On Jan 3, 2026 at 4:04:19?PM EST, "dart200" <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> >wrote:
On 1/3/26 6:48 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Sat, 3 Jan 2026 01:57:34 -0800, dart200
<user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
On 1/2/26 8:25 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Thu, 1 Jan 2026 23:26:31 -0800, dart200but what *DO* busses represent ... ???
<user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
On 1/1/26 7:57 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Thu, 1 Jan 2026 16:14:12 -0800, dart200
<user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
On 1/1/26 12:09 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Thu, 1 Jan 2026 11:29:35 -0800, dart200
<user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
On 12/31/25 5:49 AM, Julian wrote:
On 30/12/2025 18:27, Wilson wrote:3 times higher of a rare event is still a rare event
On 12/30/2025 2:39 AM, dart200 wrote:
On 12/29/25 11:35 AM, Dude wrote:
So, I wonder. Apparently, there were those within the industry who
questioned whether the route to EVs pushed by climate policymakers
was right, feasible, or both or neither. YMMV.
"Toyota Motor Corp.As leader criticized what he described as >>>>>>>>>>>>>> excessive hype over electric vehicles, saying advocates failed to
consider the carbon emitted by generating electricity and the costs
of an EV transition." - The Wall Street Journal, December 17, 2020:
EVs are just a technically superior product that is still improving.
battery tech is far from maximal.
ICEs are over complicated for no gains and have been essentially >>>>>>>>>>>>> maximally efficient for some time now.
All of that's true, but I still prefer internal combustion for their
flexibility. If I had an EV as my only vehicle, I'd definitely rent an
IC car for long trips.
Re: Safety
Fatal crash risk athree times higherA in hybrid cars than petrol >>>>>>>>>>
Unless it is your life that is on the line.
public transit is safer, u can just stick to that
As a sexual self image, that simply won't do.
i'm sorry u don't like having sex in public places???
Psychs say that cars are a display of self image. Especially sexual >>>>> self image. Thus those huge muscley pickup and those little sporty
jobs. Most of us are more plebeian in our display. But busses? Nope. >>>>
Fat, dirty, sweaty old people.
never been to anywhere not north america, eh?
cause they certainly ain't like that in japan or europe or philippines
or Canada,
or like most places in the world where everyone of all ages uses public
transport.
--
that simply wont do ...
#god
Experts believe the higher death rates could be explained by hybrid >>>>>>>>>>> carsA combination of petrol engines and electric motors, which can be
more prone to fires
The official data shows that 122 people died in fatal collisions >>>>>>>>>>> involving hybrid cars last year, compared with 777 deaths in crashes
involving petrol-only vehicles.
With petrol models outnumbering hybrid vehicles by almost 20 to one on
UK roads, this suggests that hybrids are involved in approximately three
times as many fatal crashes.
Hybrid cars pair internal combustion engines with electric motors and
high-voltage battery systems. They are often favoured over straight >>>>>>>>>>> petrol and diesel cars or fully electric vehicles because they offer the
value provided by home charging, but the greater range and certainty
provided by combustion engines.
Overall, the data shows that there was one death for every 8,000 hybrid
cars on the roads last year compared with one death for every 20,000
diesel vehicles, and one death for every 25,000 petrol engines. >>>>>>>>>>>
The data suggests fully electric vehicles have the lowest fatality rate
at one death for every 55,000 of these cars on the road. >>>>>>>>>>>
The figures, obtained by The Mail on Sunday, have alarmed road safety
specialists and led to calls for an inquiry into the reasons for the
difference.
Some experts believe the higher death rates could be explained by >>>>>>>>>>> hybridsA combination of petrol engines and batteries and electric >>>>>>>>>>> motors, which can be harder to control and more prone to fires. >>>>>>>>>>>
A house fire started by a hybrid car vehicle that was parked outside
Daily Briefing newsletter Get our top stories and exclusive analysis
sent straight to your inbox every morning. Sign up with one click >>>>>>>>>>> Emergency services may also require special training and equipment to
deal with the different nature of hybrid fires, including the risk of
toxic gases and battery thermal events.
Nicholas Lyes, of the road safety charity IAM RoadSmart, said: oPlug-in
hybrids are often heavier and more complex vehicles owing to the fact
they run on both a traditional combustion engine and a battery.o >>>>>>>>>>>
He warned that such complexity, with otwo power sources, two cooling
systems and more complicated electronics and wiringo, could create >>>>>>>>>>> ocomplex fire scenarios which are harder for firemen to put outo. >>>>>>>>>>>
The concern over fires is not confined to crashes.
The Ford Kuga plug-in hybrid, one of the UKAs more popular electrified
vehicles, has been the subject of multiple battery-related fire risk
recalls.
In March 2025, Ford issued a recall for thousands of Kugas after it >>>>>>>>>>> emerged that a high-voltage battery short-circuit defect could cause a
oStop Safely Nowo warning and potential loss of power, or even thermal
battery venting if severe, increasing the risk of fire. Owners were >>>>>>>>>>> warned not to charge their vehicles until a remedy was available and to
operate them in petrol-only mode where possible while waiting for >>>>>>>>>>> software updates.
Earlier Kuga models were also recalled over concerns about overheating
batteries, with several vehicles reported to have caught fire in Europe.
Despite the worrying data, official crash-test performance on many >>>>>>>>>>> hybrid vehicles remains broadly positive. The Ford Kuga plug-in, for
example, has achieved strong occupant protection scores in Euro NCAP
testing, with a five-star overall rating.
Experts also warned that raw fatality figures without adjusting for >>>>>>>>>>> exposure, age, usage and mechanical variances, meant the statistics >>>>>>>>>>> offered only a starting point for discussion rather than a definitive
assessment of risk.
Battery-related fires in electric and hybrid vehicles also remain rare
although when they occur they can be intense and protracted, often >>>>>>>>>>> requiring specialised firefighting techniques.
Car safety analysts suggested that several factors could contribute to
the disproportionate fatality rate seen in hybrids. The additional >>>>>>>>>>> weight of batteries and electric motors alters vehicle dynamics and >>>>>>>>>>> crash energy distribution compared with single-engine cars. >>>>>>>>>>>
Batteries situated under the vehicle floor, for example, have different
crush behaviour in high-impact scenarios. And while internal combustion
engines can ignite petrol in crashes, lithium-ion battery thermal events
though infrequent burn hotter and with chemical complexity, requiring
specialised suppression agents and protective equipment. >>>>>>>>>>>
Hybrid vehicles also tend to cover many miles in commercial use, for
example, when used as taxis, potentially exposing them to more risk over
their lifetimes. Additionally, batteries degrade with age and use, which
could influence safety outcomes if not properly managed or replaced.
Nonetheless, the RAC Foundation yesterday called for a odedicated >>>>>>>>>>> investigationo to examine the reasons for the higher fatality rate in
hybrids.
Steve Gooding, of the organisation, said: oItAs high time we had a >>>>>>>>>>> specialist resource to address road safety risk.o
Andrew Ellson
On 1/3/26 6:48 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Sat, 3 Jan 2026 01:57:34 -0800, dart200
<user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
On 1/2/26 8:25 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Thu, 1 Jan 2026 23:26:31 -0800, dart200but what *DO* busses represent ... ???
<user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
On 1/1/26 7:57 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Thu, 1 Jan 2026 16:14:12 -0800, dart200
<user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
On 1/1/26 12:09 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Thu, 1 Jan 2026 11:29:35 -0800, dart200
<user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
On 12/31/25 5:49 AM, Julian wrote:
On 30/12/2025 18:27, Wilson wrote:3 times higher of a rare event is still a rare event
On 12/30/2025 2:39 AM, dart200 wrote:
On 12/29/25 11:35 AM, Dude wrote:
So, I wonder. Apparently, there were those within the >>>>>>>>>>>>> industry who
questioned whether the route to EVs pushed by climate >>>>>>>>>>>>> policymakers
was right, feasible, or both or neither. YMMV.
"Toyota Motor Corp.rCOs leader criticized what he described as >>>>>>>>>>>>> excessive hype over electric vehicles, saying advocates >>>>>>>>>>>>> failed to
consider the carbon emitted by generating electricity and >>>>>>>>>>>>> the costs
of an EV transition." - The Wall Street Journal, December >>>>>>>>>>>>> 17, 2020:
EVs are just a technically superior product that is still >>>>>>>>>>>> improving.
battery tech is far from maximal.
ICEs are over complicated for no gains and have been
essentially
maximally efficient for some time now.
All of that's true, but I still prefer internal combustion >>>>>>>>>>> for their
flexibility. If I had an EV as my only vehicle, I'd
definitely rent an
IC car for long trips.
Re: Safety
Fatal crash risk rCythree times higherrCO in hybrid cars than petrol >>>>>>>>>
Unless it is your life that is on the line.
public transit is safer, u can just stick to that
As a sexual self image, that simply won't do.
i'm sorry u don't like having sex in public places???
Psychs say that cars are a display of self image.-a Especially sexual
self image.-a Thus those huge muscley pickup and those little sporty
jobs.-a Most of us are more plebeian in our display.-a But busses? Nope. >>>
Fat, dirty, sweaty old people.
never been to anywhere not north america, eh?
cause they certainly ain't like that in japan or europe or philippines
or like most places in the world where everyone of all ages uses public transport.
On 1/3/2026 1:04 PM, dart200 wrote:
On 1/3/26 6:48 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:Keep in mind, Nick, Noah drives an old ICE truck to the feed store once
On Sat, 3 Jan 2026 01:57:34 -0800, dart200
<user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
On 1/2/26 8:25 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Thu, 1 Jan 2026 23:26:31 -0800, dart200but what *DO* busses represent ... ???
<user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
On 1/1/26 7:57 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Thu, 1 Jan 2026 16:14:12 -0800, dart200
<user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
On 1/1/26 12:09 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Thu, 1 Jan 2026 11:29:35 -0800, dart200
<user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
On 12/31/25 5:49 AM, Julian wrote:
On 30/12/2025 18:27, Wilson wrote:3 times higher of a rare event is still a rare event
On 12/30/2025 2:39 AM, dart200 wrote:
On 12/29/25 11:35 AM, Dude wrote:
So, I wonder. Apparently, there were those within the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> industry who
questioned whether the route to EVs pushed by climate >>>>>>>>>>>>>> policymakers
was right, feasible, or both or neither. YMMV.
"Toyota Motor Corp.As leader criticized what he described as >>>>>>>>>>>>>> excessive hype over electric vehicles, saying advocates >>>>>>>>>>>>>> failed to
consider the carbon emitted by generating electricity and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the costs
of an EV transition." - The Wall Street Journal, December >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 17, 2020:
EVs are just a technically superior product that is still >>>>>>>>>>>>> improving.
battery tech is far from maximal.
ICEs are over complicated for no gains and have been >>>>>>>>>>>>> essentially
maximally efficient for some time now.
All of that's true, but I still prefer internal combustion >>>>>>>>>>>> for their
flexibility. If I had an EV as my only vehicle, I'd
definitely rent an
IC car for long trips.
Re: Safety
Fatal crash risk athree times higherA in hybrid cars than petrol >>>>>>>>>>
Unless it is your life that is on the line.
public transit is safer, u can just stick to that
As a sexual self image, that simply won't do.
i'm sorry u don't like having sex in public places???
Psychs say that cars are a display of self image.a Especially sexual >>>>> self image.a Thus those huge muscley pickup and those little sporty
jobs.a Most of us are more plebeian in our display.a But busses? Nope. >>>>
Fat, dirty, sweaty old people.
never been to anywhere not north america, eh?
cause they certainly ain't like that in japan or europe or philippines
or like most places in the world where everyone of all ages uses public
transport.
a week. Apparently, in Canada, only old, fat, sweaty people use mass >transit.
Apparently, In 2024, Canada sold approximately 271,000 Zero-Emission >Vehicles (ZEVs), including over 202,000 Battery-Electric Vehicles (BEVs)--
and nearly 69,000 Plug-in Hybrid EVs (PHEVs), reaching a record 14.6%
market share, with Quebec leading significantly in adoption.
On Sun, 4 Jan 2026 14:09:51 -0800, Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote:
On 1/3/2026 1:04 PM, dart200 wrote:
On 1/3/26 6:48 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:Keep in mind, Nick, Noah drives an old ICE truck to the feed store once
On Sat, 3 Jan 2026 01:57:34 -0800, dart200
<user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
On 1/2/26 8:25 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Thu, 1 Jan 2026 23:26:31 -0800, dart200but what *DO* busses represent ... ???
<user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
On 1/1/26 7:57 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Thu, 1 Jan 2026 16:14:12 -0800, dart200
<user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
On 1/1/26 12:09 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Thu, 1 Jan 2026 11:29:35 -0800, dart200
<user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
On 12/31/25 5:49 AM, Julian wrote:
On 30/12/2025 18:27, Wilson wrote:
On 12/30/2025 2:39 AM, dart200 wrote:
On 12/29/25 11:35 AM, Dude wrote:
So, I wonder. Apparently, there were those within the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> industry who
questioned whether the route to EVs pushed by climate >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> policymakers
was right, feasible, or both or neither. YMMV.
"Toyota Motor Corp.rCOs leader criticized what he described as >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> excessive hype over electric vehicles, saying advocates >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> failed to
consider the carbon emitted by generating electricity and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the costs
of an EV transition." - The Wall Street Journal, December >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 17, 2020:
EVs are just a technically superior product that is still >>>>>>>>>>>>>> improving.
battery tech is far from maximal.
ICEs are over complicated for no gains and have been >>>>>>>>>>>>>> essentially
maximally efficient for some time now.
All of that's true, but I still prefer internal combustion >>>>>>>>>>>>> for their
flexibility. If I had an EV as my only vehicle, I'd
definitely rent an
IC car for long trips.
Re: Safety
Fatal crash risk rCythree times higherrCO in hybrid cars than petrol
3 times higher of a rare event is still a rare event
Unless it is your life that is on the line.
public transit is safer, u can just stick to that
As a sexual self image, that simply won't do.
i'm sorry u don't like having sex in public places???
Psychs say that cars are a display of self image.-a Especially sexual >>>>>> self image.-a Thus those huge muscley pickup and those little sporty >>>>>> jobs.-a Most of us are more plebeian in our display.-a But busses? Nope. >>>>>
Fat, dirty, sweaty old people.
never been to anywhere not north america, eh?
cause they certainly ain't like that in japan or europe or philippines
or like most places in the world where everyone of all ages uses public
transport.
a week. Apparently, in Canada, only old, fat, sweaty people use mass
transit.
You asked about the self image projected by a bus. Not about the
actual riders.
On 1/4/26 2:52 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Sun, 4 Jan 2026 14:09:51 -0800, Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote:
On 1/3/2026 1:04 PM, dart200 wrote:
On 1/3/26 6:48 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:Keep in mind, Nick, Noah drives an old ICE truck to the feed store once
On Sat, 3 Jan 2026 01:57:34 -0800, dart200
<user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
On 1/2/26 8:25 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Thu, 1 Jan 2026 23:26:31 -0800, dart200
<user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
On 1/1/26 7:57 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Thu, 1 Jan 2026 16:14:12 -0800, dart200
<user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
On 1/1/26 12:09 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Thu, 1 Jan 2026 11:29:35 -0800, dart200
<user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
On 12/31/25 5:49 AM, Julian wrote:
On 30/12/2025 18:27, Wilson wrote:
On 12/30/2025 2:39 AM, dart200 wrote:
On 12/29/25 11:35 AM, Dude wrote:
So, I wonder. Apparently, there were those within the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> industry who
questioned whether the route to EVs pushed by climate >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> policymakers
was right, feasible, or both or neither. YMMV. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
"Toyota Motor Corp.rCOs leader criticized what he >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> described as
excessive hype over electric vehicles, saying advocates >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> failed to
consider the carbon emitted by generating electricity and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the costs
of an EV transition." - The Wall Street Journal, December >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 17, 2020:
EVs are just a technically superior product that is still >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> improving.
battery tech is far from maximal.
ICEs are over complicated for no gains and have been >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> essentially
maximally efficient for some time now.
All of that's true, but I still prefer internal combustion >>>>>>>>>>>>>> for their
flexibility. If I had an EV as my only vehicle, I'd >>>>>>>>>>>>>> definitely rent an
IC car for long trips.
Re: Safety
Fatal crash risk rCythree times higherrCO in hybrid cars than >>>>>>>>>>>>> petrol
3 times higher of a rare event is still a rare event
Unless it is your life that is on the line.
public transit is safer, u can just stick to that
As a sexual self image, that simply won't do.
i'm sorry u don't like having sex in public places???
Psychs say that cars are a display of self image.-a Especially sexual >>>>>>> self image.-a Thus those huge muscley pickup and those little sporty >>>>>>> jobs.-a Most of us are more plebeian in our display.-a But busses? >>>>>>> Nope.
but what *DO* busses represent ... ???
Fat, dirty, sweaty old people.
never been to anywhere not north america, eh?
cause they certainly ain't like that in japan or europe or philippines >>>> or like most places in the world where everyone of all ages uses public >>>> transport.
a week. Apparently, in Canada, only old, fat, sweaty people use mass
transit.
You asked about the self image projected by a bus.-a Not about the
actual riders.
a BEV would be just fine for a weekly drive to the feed store bro,
especially if u get that sweet sweet canadian hydro 2-3-o/kWh overnight plans
literally a couple dollars to drive >450 km
and noah, a grumpy old fart on the internet ain't the kinda guy to be
taking roadtrips anyways.
On 1/4/2026 3:19 PM, dart200 wrote:
On 1/4/26 2:52 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Sun, 4 Jan 2026 14:09:51 -0800, Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote:
On 1/3/2026 1:04 PM, dart200 wrote:
On 1/3/26 6:48 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:Keep in mind, Nick, Noah drives an old ICE truck to the feed store once >>>> a week. Apparently, in Canada, only old, fat, sweaty people use mass
On Sat, 3 Jan 2026 01:57:34 -0800, dart200
<user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
On 1/2/26 8:25 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Thu, 1 Jan 2026 23:26:31 -0800, dart200
<user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
On 1/1/26 7:57 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Thu, 1 Jan 2026 16:14:12 -0800, dart200
<user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
On 1/1/26 12:09 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Thu, 1 Jan 2026 11:29:35 -0800, dart200
<user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
On 12/31/25 5:49 AM, Julian wrote:
On 30/12/2025 18:27, Wilson wrote:
On 12/30/2025 2:39 AM, dart200 wrote:
On 12/29/25 11:35 AM, Dude wrote:
So, I wonder. Apparently, there were those within the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> industry who
questioned whether the route to EVs pushed by climate >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> policymakers
was right, feasible, or both or neither. YMMV. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
"Toyota Motor Corp.As leader criticized what he >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> described as
excessive hype over electric vehicles, saying advocates >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> failed to
consider the carbon emitted by generating electricity and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the costs
of an EV transition." - The Wall Street Journal, December >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 17, 2020:
EVs are just a technically superior product that is still >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> improving.
battery tech is far from maximal.
ICEs are over complicated for no gains and have been >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> essentially
maximally efficient for some time now.
All of that's true, but I still prefer internal combustion >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for their
flexibility. If I had an EV as my only vehicle, I'd >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> definitely rent an
IC car for long trips.
Re: Safety
Fatal crash risk athree times higherA in hybrid cars than >>>>>>>>>>>>>> petrol
3 times higher of a rare event is still a rare event
Unless it is your life that is on the line.
public transit is safer, u can just stick to that
As a sexual self image, that simply won't do.
i'm sorry u don't like having sex in public places???
Psychs say that cars are a display of self image.a Especially sexual >>>>>>>> self image.a Thus those huge muscley pickup and those little sporty >>>>>>>> jobs.a Most of us are more plebeian in our display.a But busses? >>>>>>>> Nope.
but what *DO* busses represent ... ???
Fat, dirty, sweaty old people.
never been to anywhere not north america, eh?
cause they certainly ain't like that in japan or europe or philippines >>>>> or like most places in the world where everyone of all ages uses public >>>>> transport.
transit.
You asked about the self image projected by a bus.a Not about the
actual riders.
a BEV would be just fine for a weekly drive to the feed store bro,
You must be a city boy.
Drive to CostCo in a BEV to haul a week's supply of feed for a family of >five, two of whom are teenagers? You need a GM Diesel with 4 wheel drive >just to get off the farm and onto the highway.
especially if u get that sweet sweet canadian hydro 2-3o/kWh overnightYou must be new around here.
plans
literally a couple dollars to drive >450 km
and noah, a grumpy old fart on the internet ain't the kinda guy to be
taking roadtrips anyways.
Say what you will about Sombrero - he's keeping this list alive for over
a decade. Tang said he crashed, but he's still doing some good work.
"You can't touch this!" - MC Hammer
On 1/4/2026 3:19 PM, dart200 wrote:
On 1/4/26 2:52 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Sun, 4 Jan 2026 14:09:51 -0800, Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote:
On 1/3/2026 1:04 PM, dart200 wrote:
On 1/3/26 6:48 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:Keep in mind, Nick, Noah drives an old ICE truck to the feed store once >>>> a week. Apparently, in Canada, only old, fat, sweaty people use mass
On Sat, 3 Jan 2026 01:57:34 -0800, dart200
<user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
On 1/2/26 8:25 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Thu, 1 Jan 2026 23:26:31 -0800, dart200
<user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
On 1/1/26 7:57 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Thu, 1 Jan 2026 16:14:12 -0800, dart200
<user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
On 1/1/26 12:09 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Thu, 1 Jan 2026 11:29:35 -0800, dart200
<user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
On 12/31/25 5:49 AM, Julian wrote:
On 30/12/2025 18:27, Wilson wrote:
On 12/30/2025 2:39 AM, dart200 wrote:
On 12/29/25 11:35 AM, Dude wrote:
So, I wonder. Apparently, there were those within the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> industry who
questioned whether the route to EVs pushed by climate >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> policymakers
was right, feasible, or both or neither. YMMV. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
"Toyota Motor Corp.rCOs leader criticized what he >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> described as
excessive hype over electric vehicles, saying advocates >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> failed to
consider the carbon emitted by generating electricity and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the costs
of an EV transition." - The Wall Street Journal, December >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 17, 2020:
EVs are just a technically superior product that is still >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> improving.
battery tech is far from maximal.
ICEs are over complicated for no gains and have been >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> essentially
maximally efficient for some time now.
All of that's true, but I still prefer internal combustion >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for their
flexibility. If I had an EV as my only vehicle, I'd >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> definitely rent an
IC car for long trips.
Re: Safety
Fatal crash risk rCythree times higherrCO in hybrid cars than >>>>>>>>>>>>>> petrol
3 times higher of a rare event is still a rare event
Unless it is your life that is on the line.
public transit is safer, u can just stick to that
As a sexual self image, that simply won't do.
i'm sorry u don't like having sex in public places???
Psychs say that cars are a display of self image.-a Especially >>>>>>>> sexual
self image.-a Thus those huge muscley pickup and those little sporty >>>>>>>> jobs.-a Most of us are more plebeian in our display.-a But busses? >>>>>>>> Nope.
but what *DO* busses represent ... ???
Fat, dirty, sweaty old people.
never been to anywhere not north america, eh?
cause they certainly ain't like that in japan or europe or philippines >>>>> or like most places in the world where everyone of all ages uses
public
transport.
transit.
You asked about the self image projected by a bus.-a Not about the
actual riders.
a BEV would be just fine for a weekly drive to the feed store bro,
You must be a city boy.
Drive to CostCo in a BEV to haul a week's supply of feed for a family of five, two of whom are teenagers? You need a GM Diesel with 4 wheel drive just to get off the farm and onto the highway.
especially if u get that sweet sweet canadian hydro 2-3-o/kWh overnightYou must be new around here.
plans
literally a couple dollars to drive >450 km
and noah, a grumpy old fart on the internet ain't the kinda guy to be
taking roadtrips anyways.
Say what you will about Sombrero - he's keeping this list alive for over--
a decade. Tang said he crashed, but he's still doing some good work.
"You can't touch this!" - MC Hammer
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