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Death: False hopes by what is insanely evil.

Death. The end of life. People all over the earth want to know if
there is "another side". Many believe in an afterlife mainly because
they hear it from the churches. They teach, at death, the soul
continues to live in the spirit realm. So various believers go to
mediums to try to contact a loved one. But let's cut to the chase
here.

The Bible says the writing of it was influenced by God. (2 Tim 3:16)
And that God's word is TRUTH. (John 17:17) So then, what's happening
with the dead? Men have come up with all kinds of speculations But
since we have a guarantee that there is a source of real truths, let's
find out what it says. You may be surprised:

-- King James
Ecclesiastes 9:5 For the living know that they shall die: but the
dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the
memory of them is forgotten.

The dead "know not any thing". This Bible truth is simple to
understand. Next:

-- King James
Ecclesiastes 9:10 Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy
might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in
the grave, whither thou goest.

"nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest."

Again it is simple to understand this Bible truth. A dead person has
to knowledge nor wisdom, etc. Thus all have IQ's of ZERO. Next:

"3. Put not your trust in princes, nor in the son of man, in whom
there is no help.
4. His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; in that very
day his thoughts perish." (Ps 146:3,4; KJV)

Thus in a short summary, the dead:

-Don't know anything
-have no knowledge
-have no thoughts

That is simple and easy to understand those BIBLE TRUTHS. And Jesus
agrees:

-- King James
John 11:11 These things said he: and after that he saith unto them,
Our friend Lazarus sleepeth; but I go, that I may awake him out of
sleep.

-- King James
John 11:14 Then said Jesus unto them plainly, Lazarus is dead.

So Jesus didn't say some supernatural thing, a soul, keeps on living
after death. Jesus equates death with sleeping. Are you conscience
when you sleep? Another way to say it is the dead are not existing.

Then what is their hope? This:

-- King James
Acts 24:15 And have hope toward God, which they themselves also
allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the
just and unjust.

Use your common sense if someone tries to twist these Scriptures to
make them say things they don't. These are simple Bible truths;
TRUTHS.

But the Bible warns us:

- New King James
1 Timothy 4:1 Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some
will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and
doctrines of demons,

Don't let that happen to you.

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Scripture distinguishes body and soul from the beginning.

rCLThen the LORD God formed the man of dust from the ground and breathed
into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living
creaturerCY (Genesis 2:7, ESV).

Man consists of dust and God-given breath. At death, they separate.

rCLThen the dust returns to the earth as it was, and the spirit returns to
God who gave itrCY (Ecclesiastes 12:7, ESV).

The body returns to earth. The spirit returns to God. Death divides; it
does not erase.

Jesus makes this distinction explicit.

rCLAnd do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul.
Rather fear him who can destroy both soul and body in [Gehenna]rCY
(Matthew 10:28, ESV).

Men can kill the body. They cannot kill the soul. The soul survives
bodily death. If death meant non-existence, ChristrCOs words would lose meaning.

God still calls Himself the God of men long buried.

rCLHe is not God of the dead, but of the livingrCY (Matthew 22:32, ESV).

Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob had died physically. Yet they live before Him.

Moses appeared and spoke with Christ centuries after his burial (Matthew
17:3; Deuteronomy 34:5rCo6). That appearance shows conscious existence
beyond the grave.

Jesus promised the repentant criminal immediate fellowship:

rCLTruly, I say to you, today you will be with me in paradiserCY (Luke
23:43, ESV).

He did not promise non-existence until a distant day. He promised presence.

Paul speaks the same way.

rCLWe would rather be away from the body and at home with the LordrCY (2 Corinthians 5:8, ESV).

rCLMy desire is to depart and be with Christ, for that is far betterrCY (Philippians 1:23, ESV).

Departure from the body brings conscious presence with Christ. That is
rCLfar better,rCY not unconscious sleep.

Scripture also reveals conscious suffering after death.

rCLIn [Hades], being in torment, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham far offrCY (Luke 16:23, ESV).

The rich man speaks, remembers, and feels anguish. Abraham answers.
Lazarus is comforted. The scene presents awareness and moral
accountability after death.

Revelation speaks with equal clarity:

rCLAnd the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever, and they have
no rest, day or nightrCY (Revelation 14:11, ESV).

rCLNo rest, day or nightrCY describes ongoing experience. Again:

rCLAnd they will be tormented day and night forever and everrCY (Revelation 20:10, ESV).

The same lake of fire receives the wicked (Revelation 20:15). Duration
and consciousness remain consistent.

What, then, of passages that say the dead rCLknow nothingrCY?

rCLFor the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothingrCY (Ecclesiastes 9:5, ESV).

Ecclesiastes repeatedly limits its vantage point to life rCLunder the sunrCY (Ecclesiastes 1:3). The dead no longer participate in earthly work,
planning, or reward in this world (Ecclesiastes 9:10). Their earthly
knowledge and activity cease. The text addresses life in this age, not
the soulrCOs existence before God.

Psalm 146:4 says manrCOs plans perish when his breath departs. His earthly purposes end. The verse does not say his soul ceases to exist. It says
his plans perish.

Death is called sleep because the body rests and will awaken in
resurrection (John 11:11rCo14; 1 Thessalonians 4:14). Sleep describes the bodyrCOs condition and the certainty of awakening. It does not deny the soulrCOs continued awareness.

The resurrection remains essential.

rCLAn hour is coming when all who are in the tombs will hear his voice and come outrCY (John 5:28rCo29, ESV).

Bodies rise. Souls reunite with resurrected bodies. The whole person
stands before Christ.

Scripture presents a coherent truth:

The body dies and returns to dust.
The soul survives and returns to God.
The righteous enter conscious comfort with the Lord.
The wicked enter conscious judgment.
The body will rise.
Every person will stand before Christ.

This distinction between body and soul does not arise from philosophy.
It flows from the words of Christ and the unified testimony of Scripture.
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Have you heard the good news Christ died for our sins (rCa), and God
raised Him from the dead?

That Christ died for our sins shows we're sinners who deserve the death penalty. That God raised Him from the dead shows Christ's death
satisfied God's righteous demands against our sin (Romans 3:25; 1 John
2:1-2). This means God can now remain just, while forgiving you of your
sins, and saving you from eternal damnation.

On the basis of Christ's death and resurrection for our sins, call on
the name of the Lord to save you: "For 'everyone who calls on the name
of the Lord will be saved'" (Romans 10:13, ESV).

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On Wed, 25 Feb 2026 11:08:09 -0600, Christ Rose
<usenet@christrose.news> wrote:

Scripture distinguishes body and soul from the beginning.

oThen the LORD God formed the man of dust from the ground and breathed
into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living
creatureo (Genesis 2:7, ESV).

As the KJV translates it:

-- King James
Genesis 2:7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground,
and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a
living soul.

Notice he BECAME a soul, wasn't given one. Thus in this instance, a
soul is a whole person.

Man consists of dust and God-given breath. At death, they separate.

oThen the dust returns to the earth as it was, and the spirit returns to
God who gave ito (Ecclesiastes 12:7, ESV).

(Ecclesiastes 12:7) Then the dust returns to the earth, just as it
was, and the spirit* returns to the true God who gave it.

* or life force.

The body returns to earth. The spirit returns to God. Death divides; it
does not erase.

With the life force gone out of a body, that person is no more.

Jesus makes this distinction explicit.

oAnd do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul.
Rather fear him who can destroy both soul and body in [Gehenna]o
(Matthew 10:28, ESV).

Interestingly, the churches teach that the soul is immortal. This
Scripture proves just the opposite. A SOUL CAN DIE.

Men can kill the body. They cannot kill the soul. The soul survives
bodily death. If death meant non-existence, ChristAs words would lose >meaning.

Maybe for you, but not according to the Bible. Death produces
non-existence temporarily until the resurrection. (Acts 24:15)

-- King James
Psalms 146:4 His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; in
that very day his thoughts perish.

God still calls Himself the God of men long buried.

oHe is not God of the dead, but of the livingo (Matthew 22:32, ESV).

Yes, God will bring back all those who have died, in the resurrection.
They are as good as alive because God promises that.

Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob had died physically. Yet they live before Him.

That is not what the Bible teaches. Where are they living?

Moses appeared and spoke with Christ centuries after his burial (Matthew >17:3; Deuteronomy 34:5u6). That appearance shows conscious existence
beyond the grave.

Actually, that shows you didn'dt read the Scripture more carefully.
That was a VISION. (Mt 17:9)

Jesus promised the repentant criminal immediate fellowship:

oTruly, I say to you, today you will be with me in paradiseo (Luke
23:43, ESV).

There was no punctuation in the Bible Greek. Your ESV is telling a
falsehood. The thief could NOT be with Jesus that same day, because
Jesus had to die for 3 days and nights and be in the ground:

- King James
Matthew 12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the
whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights
in the heart of the earth.

Was Jonah walking around and talking to people while in the great
fish? No, he was locked in. It's similar with Jesus.

Thus Jesus was speaking about things would happen AFTER his
resurrection.

He did not promise non-existence until a distant day. He promised presence.

Based on the Scriptures, Jesus was non-existance till he was
resurrected. (Ec 9:5,10; Ps 146:3,4)

Paul speaks the same way.

oWe would rather be away from the body and at home with the Lordo (2 >Corinthians 5:8, ESV).

As I mentioned many times before, Paul was one of the 144,000 that
would go to Heaven. But the majority of people would be living on the
earth. (Mt 5:5)

oMy desire is to depart and be with Christ, for that is far bettero >(Philippians 1:23, ESV).

Departure from the body brings conscious presence with Christ. That is
ofar better,o not unconscious sleep.

Yet Jesus said that the dead Lazarus was "asleep". (John 11:11) And
that Jesus would awaken him. And that he was dead. (John 11:14)

Scripture also reveals conscious suffering after death.

oIn [Hades], being in torment, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham far >offo (Luke 16:23, ESV).

That was a parable, not literal. Hades is the grave, thus there
actually is no torment there. Is Hades (hell) within calling distance
of Heaven? That would mean that all those in Heaven would look down
and see all the alleged suffering of those in hellfire. So much for a
pieceful existence.

And what is Abraham doing in Heaven, when Jesus said no one had gone
to Heaven before Jesus came to the earth:

John 3:13 "No one has ascended to heaven but He who came down from
heaven, that is, the Son of Man who is in heaven.

The rich man speaks, remembers, and feels anguish. Abraham answers.
Lazarus is comforted. The scene presents awareness and moral
accountability after death.

And if literal, is ridiculous. (see above)

Revelation speaks with equal clarity:

oAnd the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever, and they have
no rest, day or nighto (Revelation 14:11, ESV).

oNo rest, day or nighto describes ongoing experience. Again:

You are in the most symbolic book in the Bible. You need to read the
whole Scripture:

-- King James
Revelation 14:11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever
and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast
and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

There is a "beast", and an image of the beast in there. The beast and
its image would also be in torments in that alleged literal fire.

No, that was a parable. Nothing more and nothing less.

oAnd they will be tormented day and night forever and evero (Revelation >20:10, ESV).

The same lake of fire receives the wicked (Revelation 20:15). Duration
and consciousness remain consistent.

In parable and symbolic form, yes.

What, then, of passages that say the dead oknow nothingo?

oFor the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothingo >(Ecclesiastes 9:5, ESV).

Ecclesiastes repeatedly limits its vantage point to life ounder the suno >(Ecclesiastes 1:3). The dead no longer participate in earthly work, >planning, or reward in this world (Ecclesiastes 9:10). Their earthly >knowledge and activity cease. The text addresses life in this age, not
the soulAs existence before God.

A soul can die. (Eze 18:4) Thus there is no continued existence after
death. Gen 2:7 shows a SOUL is the whole person .

The soul also can read 'life'or 'future life". That is what it means
above at Mt 10:28.

Psalm 146:4 says manAs plans perish when his breath departs. His earthly >purposes end. The verse does not say his soul ceases to exist. It says
his plans perish.

Not according to KJV:

Of course, that would mean his plans too.

-- King James
Psalms 146:4 His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; in
that very day his thoughts perish.

Death is called sleep because the body rests and will awaken in
resurrection (John 11:11u14; 1 Thessalonians 4:14). Sleep describes the >bodyAs condition and the certainty of awakening. It does not deny the
soulAs continued awareness.

What about the bodies that were vaporized when the atom bomb hit?

Also, it did not say the spirit returned to God. Another Scripture
says that.

To understand a doctrine, ALL the Scriptures on a topic must be
covered.

The resurrection remains essential.

oAn hour is coming when all who are in the tombs will hear his voice and >come outo (John 5:28u29, ESV).

And all those in hell will get out.

Bodies rise. Souls reunite with resurrected bodies. The whole person
stands before Christ.

Man IS a soul. (Gen 2:7) So there is no reuniting going on.

Scripture presents a coherent truth:

The body dies and returns to dust.
The soul survives and returns to God.

It said the "spirit" returns to God.

The righteous enter conscious comfort with the Lord.
The wicked enter conscious judgment.

During the 1000 year reign of Christ.

The body will rise.

A new body will arise, like in the case of Lazarus.

And don't forget the dead are freed of all sin. Thus they won't be
judged right after they are resurrected.

New King James
Romans 6:7 For he who has died has been freed from sin.

Every person will stand before Christ.

You are a mile away from real Bible truth:

This distinction between body and soul does not arise from philosophy.
It flows from the words of Christ and the unified testimony of Scripture.

I guess a lot of people must think that way during the end, because
the demons continue to promote false Bible doctrines:

-- New King James
1 Timothy 4:1 Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some
will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and
doctrines of demons,

Thus the road to destruction is wide and easy to walk on, and many are
on it.

"KEEP ON THE WATCH!
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The Distinction Between Body and Soul: Biblical Proof of Conscious
Existence After Death

The Bible clearly distinguishes between the physical body and the
immaterial soul. This distinction is vital for understanding what
happens to a person when they die. While the body is subject to decay
and death, the soul continues in a state of conscious existence. The
idea that a person simply ceases to exist at death is not found in
Scripture. Instead, the Bible teaches that every person will face an
eternal destiny of either comfort or judgment.

The Soul Survives the Body

Jesus Christ explicitly taught that the soul outlasts the physical body.
He told His disciples, "And do not fear those who kill the body but
cannot kill the soul. Rather fear him who can destroy both soul and body
in hell" (Matthew 10:28, ESV). This statement confirms that the death of
the physical frame does not result in the death of the soul. The body
can be ended by men, but the soul remains.

The apostle Paul also spoke of this separation. He expressed a desire to
be "away from the body and at home with the Lord" (2 Corinthians 5:8,
ESV). If the soul ceased to exist or fell into an unconscious sleep,
Paul could not be "at home" with Christ immediately upon leaving his
body. His expectation was a conscious transition from one state of being
to another.

Evidence of Conscious Existence After Death

The Bible provides several accounts and teachings that demonstrate
awareness after physical death.

rCo Immediate Presence: When Jesus spoke to the thief on the cross,
He said, "Truly, I say to you, today you will be with me in
paradise" (Luke 23:43, ESV). He did not say the thief would
wait for a future resurrection to experience life again. The
promise was for "today," indicating an immediate, conscious
fellowship.

rCo The State of the Dead: Jesus described the account of the rich
man and Lazarus in Luke 16. After death, Lazarus was comforted
while the rich man was in torment. The rich man was fully
conscious; he could see, feel pain, remember his living
brothers, and speak (Luke 16:22rCo25, ESV).

rCo The God of the Living: While speaking to the Sadducees, Jesus
quoted GodrCOs statement regarding the patriarchs: "I am the God
of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob"
(Matthew 22:32, ESV). He concluded that God "is not God of the
dead, but of the living." Even though these men had died
centuries earlier, they remained alive to God.

The Reality of Eternal Judgment

If death resulted in nonexistence, many of Christ's warnings would lose
their meaning. Nonexistence is a state of nothingness that cannot vary
in degree. However, Jesus taught that there are degrees of judgment. He
stated that it would be "more tolerable" on the day of judgment for
Sodom and Gomorrah than for those who rejected His message (Matthew 11:22rCo24, ESV). A state of nonexistence cannot be "more" or "less" tolerable; only a conscious being can experience varying levels of
suffering or relief.

Furthermore, Jesus said of Judas Iscariot, "It would have been better
for that man if he had not been born" (Mark 14:21, ESV). If Judas simply ceased to exist after death, his state would be identical to never
having been born. This statement only carries weight if Judas faces a conscious, eternal consequence that makes existence a burden rather than
a gift.

The Nature of Eternal Punishment

The Bible describes the consequences for those who die without faith in
Christ as both eternal and conscious.

rCo Unquenchable Fire: Jesus warned that it is better to enter life
crippled than to go to hell, "to the unquenchable fire" (Mark
9:43, ESV). An eternal, unquenchable fire implies an enduring
subject.

rCo No Rest: Revelation describes the fate of the wicked, noting
that "the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever, and
they have no rest, day or night" (Revelation 14:11, ESV). The
phrase "no rest" requires a conscious subject capable of
experiencing the passage of time and the lack of peace.

rCo Torment Forever: Scripture records that the devil and his
associates "will be tormented day and night forever and ever"
(Revelation 20:10, ESV). This is a description of ongoing
experience, not a final moment of annihilation.

The Only Way of Escape

Because the soul is eternal and judgment is certain, the question of
salvation is of the highest importance. The Bible teaches that all have
sinned and fall short of the glory of God. However, God provided a way
to be saved from this eternal torment through His Son.

Salvation is found only through faith in Jesus Christ, who took the
judgment of sin upon Himself. For those who believe, death is not
something to be feared as an end or a torment, but a doorway to being
"at home with the Lord."
--
Have you heard the good news Christ died for our sins (rCa), and God
raised Him from the dead?

That Christ died for our sins shows we're sinners who deserve the death penalty. That God raised Him from the dead shows Christ's death
satisfied God's righteous demands against our sin (Romans 3:25; 1 John
2:1-2). This means God can now remain just, while forgiving you of your
sins, and saving you from eternal damnation.

On the basis of Christ's death and resurrection for our sins, call on
the name of the Lord to save you: "For 'everyone who calls on the name
of the Lord will be saved'" (Romans 10:13, ESV).

https://christrose.news/salvation

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