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On Mon, 23 Feb 2026 19:42:57 -0600, Christ Rose
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Jesus is God

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Jesus is God.

Negatrons. If you worship a creation of God, as God, in the OT that
would be a death peanalty:

-- King James
Colossians 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn
of every creature:

Study the context around Col 1:15, and you will see it names THINGS
CREATED. And Jesus was the first.
Jesus himself said:

-- King James
John 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come
again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go
unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

The apostle Paul knew that. While Jesus was in Heaven with God, Paul
wrote:

-- King James
1 Corinthians 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every
man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of
Christ is God.

How could Paul say that if Jesus was God?

This truth stands at the center of the gospel and defines
the Christian faith. The Bible teaches clearly, from beginning to end,
that Jesus shares the divine nature, authority, and glory of God.

John 14:28 and 1 Cor 11:3 contradicts your statement, as well as many
others.

Those
who deny this truth reject what God has revealed about His Son. To >understand why we say Jesus is God, we must walk through the BibleAs >testimony.

Yes, the Bible says to PROVE your assertions:

-- King James
1 Thessalonians 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.

The Old Testament prepared the way for the coming of God in the flesh.

God is a spirit being, not a fleshly being. (John 4:23,24) Also, Jesus
died and was resurrected. GOD NEVER DIED:

-- King James
Psalms 90:2 Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou
hadst formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to
everlasting, thou art God.

The prophet Isaiah foretold that a child would be born called oMighty
Godo (Isaiah 9:6).

First, it doesn't say 'Almighty God'. That would clear things up fast.
also, there are no caps in Bible Hebrew. Thus your line would read:
"mighty god".

But even the NWT says "Mighty God". So what gives? Look at that
Scripture more closely:

- New King James
Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a Child is born, unto us a Son is given; and
the government will be upon His shoulder. And His name will be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
Notice ALL of the names are capitalized. That is because in English gramatically, NAMES are proper nouns and have to be capitalized.

My question is why was Jesus not named Emmanuel as these other scriptures tell

Carefully notice how Isaiah uses the word "name" a couple of chapters
later at Isa 9:6,

"For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the
government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called
Wonderful, Counseller, The mighty God, the everlasting Father, The
Prince of Peace." (KJV)

With one of his "name"s to be "The Prince of Peace", clearly Isaiah
was not showing us the literal name of that "child" to be, but rather
prophetic title-names that would apply to him, such as those above,
and "Immanuel" at 7:14 which means "With Us Is God".

And Matthew at Mt 1:22,23 was clearly quoting one of those prophetic title-names from Isaiah. Mt 1:22,

"Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of
the Lord by the prophet, saying," (KJV)

Jesus actual name that he would be called by, was delivered by an
angel to Mary at Lu 1:31,

"And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son,
and shalt call his name Jesus." (KJV)

Yes those names mentioned at Isa 9:6 were title-names given to Jesus
which he would fulfill. So if Isa 6:9 calls Jesus, God, then that
would contradict Jesus' words at John 1:18a. So, the meaning of Isa
9:6 can only mean that Jesus was God-like, which he was.

And recall the Scripture which PROVES Jesus was not Almighty God:

-- King James
John 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son,
which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

Thus if Jesus was really God, John 1:18 would be lying.

In the same book, Isaiah said the coming voice in the
wilderness would prepare the way of Yahweh Himself (Isaiah 40:3). When
John the Baptist fulfilled this, he prepared the way for Jesus (Matthew >3:3), showing that Jesus is Yahweh in human form.

Negatrons. Jesus COPIED his Father exactly, so when one saw Jesus, it
was as if they were seeing God Himself. But recall, the Bible says no
human can see God and still live. His glory is too great for the human
body to experience.

Can you be 5 ft from the sun? Of course not. You would be vaporized.
Then try being 5 feet away from the One who made trillions of suns.

The New Testament makes this even more clear. The Gospel of John begins
by calling Jesus othe Word,o saying, oIn the beginning was the Word, and
the Word was with God, and the Word was Godo (John 1:1, ESV). He was not >created. He existed from the beginning with God and as God.

What "beginning"? God always was. (Ps 90:2) But Jesus did have a
beginning, even before he came to earth. (Col 1:15)

Then John

tells us, oAnd the Word became flesh and dwelt among uso (John 1:14,
ESV). Jesus, the eternal Word, took on human nature without ceasing to
be God.

Nice try. Then if Jesus was still God, explain this Scripture:

-- New King James
John 1:18 No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten Son, who
is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him.

Did John lie?

Jesus claimed divine identity many times. In John 8:58, He said, oBefore >Abraham was, I amo (John 8:58, ESV). This statement echoes GodAs name in >Exodus 3:14uoI AM WHO I AM.o The Jews understood this clearly. They
picked up stones to kill Him for blasphemy because He made Himself equal >with God (John 8:59).

Jesus knew he existed before the world was made, but this doesn't
prove he was God Almighty. (John 17:5) Many angels also existed before
the world was created. (Job 38:7). In Exodus 3:14 God was using this
as a title and name to be used against the Egyptians.

A Bible scholar Dr. J.H. Hertz said that in that phrase 'I am that I
am' the main emphasis in on the active manifestation of God's Divine
existence. He said that God was about to show himself in behalf of his
people in great and wonderful way. He said that "I will be what I will
be" is also an approved rendering.

The footnote to the NASB Bible agrees and says, "1.14 Or I WILL BE
WHAT I WILL BE " .

When Jesus used the phrase he was not using it as a name or title. He
was only explaining his pre-human existence.

The Greek Septuagint Version, which is the one the Apostles quoted
from in the first century, renders Exodus 3:14 as " ego' eimi' ho
Ohn'," which translates "I am the Being". The Greek words at John 8:58
"ego eimi" show the use of the verb "eimi" in the historical present
because Jesus was talking about himself in relation to Abraham's past.
That is why some translations render it differently. For example:

--An American Translation reads. "I existed before Abraham was born!", --Moffatt, "I have existed before Abraham was born",
--Sacred Bible, "Before Abraham existed, I was existing",
--The New Testament, "Jesus said to them, 'I tell you, I existed
before Abraham was born!",
--The Four Gospels According the the Sinaitic Palimpsest, "He said
unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I have
been.",
--The Twentieth Century New Testament, "Believe me 'Jesus replied,
'before Abraham was born I was already what I am.",
--The Modern New Testament, "Jesus said to them, Truly, truly, I say
to you, Before Abraham was born, I was.",
--The Syriac New Testament, "Jesus said to them: Verily, verily, I say
to you, That before Abraham existed, I was."
--The New World Translation (NWT) " Jesus said to them: "Most truly I
say to YOU, Before Abraham came into existence, I have been.""

In some non-English Bibles:

--C. Stage's Das Neue Testament (German) "Jesus said to them: 'Truly,
truly, I say to you" : Before Abrham was born, I was.",
--Nuevo Testamento (Spanish), "Jesus answered: 'In truth, in truth, I
say to you: Before Abraham was born, I was",
--F. Pfaefflin's Das Neue Testament (German): "Jesus: 'Before there
was an Abraham, I was already there [war ich schon da]!'"

The same expression "ego eimi",(I am) is used at John 8:24 and 28. But
many of the same translators who translate it just as "I am" at John
8:58, translate it as "I am he" at John 8:24 and 28. (NASB,
NIV-footnote).

Thus there is no Trinity reference here, nor Jesus is God statement.

Jesus also forgave sins, something only God can do.

Tell that to the Catholic priests in the confessionals.

When He told a

paralytic, oYour sins are forgiveno (Mark 2:5, ESV), the scribes said,
oWho can forgive sins but God alone?o (Mark 2:7, ESV). Jesus did not
deny their logic. Instead, He healed the man to prove His divine
authority (Mark 2:10).

If he was really God, he wouldn't say he has authority on earth. That
would be a no-brainer.

Also, Jesus said he does nothing of his own, but only what God tells
him to do:

-- Revised Standard
John 5:30 "I can do nothing on my own authority; as I hear, I judge;
and my judgment is just, because I seek not my own will but the will
of him who sent me.

Yes, Jesus was SENT. He didn't send himself. And Jesus didn't do his
own will, rather God's will. (two separate wills here if you are
counting)

Jesus accepted worship that belongs only to God. After His resurrection, >Thomas fell before Him and said, oMy Lord and my God!o (John 20:28,
ESV). Jesus did not correct him.

What is that character right after the "d"? Yes it is an exclamation
mark. This shows great surprise, like "holy cow!" etc.

And the Scripture doesn't say "Thomas fell before him." That's
twisting the Scripture to support your idea of worship.

He affirmed ThomasAs faith. In
contrast, when others tried to worship angels or apostles, they were
stopped immediately (Acts 10:25-26; Revelation 22:8-9).

That is a good point, from your perspective. But the Scripture doesn't
say Thomas attempted to worship Jesus. That is what you hope, but
according to Scripture not what happened.

The apostle Paul also testified clearly. He said, oFor in him the whole >fullness of deity dwells bodilyo (Colossians 2:9, ESV). Jesus does not >merely reflect God. He is fully God in human flesh. Paul also called
Jesus oour great God and Savioro (Titus 2:13, ESV)

Concerning Titus 2:13. It is true that there is only one definite
article "the" used before the two nouns "God,Savior" which are
connected by the conjunction "and". But even the footnote in the
popular NASB translation shows this passage can be rendered,

"[1]Or the great God and our Savior"

Thus showing two distinct persons here.

The same grammatical construction is found at 2 Thess 1:12 but here
the NASB and NIV Bibles insert the definite article "the" before the
second noun "Lord". It reads,

"so that the *name of our Lord Jesus will be glorified in you, and you
in Him, according to the grace of our God and the Lord Jesus Christ."
(NASB)

(The NIV agrees with the NASB as the preferred text, but has a
footnote showing it the other way.)

Also Paul back one chapter showed that Jesus and God were two distinct
persons.
Titus 1:4.

"To Titus, my true son in our common faith: Grace and peace from God
the Father and Christ Jesus our Savior. (NIV)

and said that Jesus,
though equal with God,

You keep throwing things in there that are not in the Scripture. Yes,
one of your church Creeds say they are equal. (and they toss in the
Holy Spirit).

But the apostle Paul made it abundently clear, Jesus is inferior to
God. Was then and always will be:

- King James
1 Corinthians 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every
man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of
Christ is God.

Or, was Paul lying?

humbled Himself to become a man (Philippians
2:6-7). His name is above every name, and every knee will bow to Him >(Philippians 2:10-11), echoing Isaiah 45:23ua passage that speaks of
Yahweh alone.

PHP 2:10,11,

"10. That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in
heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
11. And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord,
to the glory of God the Father." (KJV)

You are skipping over the main point here. All of Jesus doings was for
the glory of God, not himself.

The author of Hebrews speaks the same way. Hebrews 1:3 says that Jesus
is othe radiance of the glory of God and the exact imprint of his
natureo (Hebrews 1:3, ESV).

It would have been a simple matter just to call Jesus, God. But
nowhere does he do that. On the contrary, he says Jesus is
sublordinate to God. (1 Cor 11:3)

He upholds the universe by His word. In
Hebrews 1:8, God the Father says to the Son, oYour throne, O God, is
forever and evero (Hebrews 1:8, ESV). This is a direct call to the Son
as God.

In that translation yes. Then why would he also say that God was
superior to Jesus at 1 Cor 11:3?
Concerning Hebrews 1:8. Is the word "God" in this verse referring to
Jesus or God Almighty? The Apostle Paul here is quoting Ps 45:3-7 and
then applying verses 6,7 to Jesus. Notice the context by verse 9
"therefore God, your God" shows that the person in verse 8 is one who
is anointed by God and one who worships God. That would mean that God
worships himself. (a creepy thought)

Also, the the first application of Ps 45:3-7 was to King David who
foreshadowed Jesus Christ and was said to sit on God's throne. (1 Ch
29:23) Was the writer making the first application calling David,
Almighty God? Not likely. That is why the translation "Your throne, O
God," can also correctly be rendered "God is your throne" because
there is no verb "is" in the original Hebrew or Greek documents, thus
it is up to the translators to insert it. Since He 1:8 is quoting
Psalm 45:6 then He 1:8 can also be rendered "God is your throne".

The Bible scholar B.F.Wescott said that it was scarcely possible that
"Elohim" (God) should be addressed to a human king thus the
translation "God is thy throne" seemed the best one.

Some other Bible translations that use this wording are An American Translation, Moffatt, and the marginal readings of American Standard
Version, RSV,and NEB.

When using the last translation it becomes clear that Jesus throne and
all his authority is from Almighty God.

Peter also confessed this truth. He opened his second letter by
addressing believers who have received faith oby the righteousness of
our God and Savior Jesus Christo (2 Peter 1:1, ESV). This pairing of
oGod and Savioro refers to one PersonuJesus Christ.

The KJV disagrees with you:

-- King James
2 Peter 1:1 Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to
them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the
righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:

Two people mentioned: God AND Jesus.

Even the Old Testament titles and actions of God are applied to Jesus.

When you twist them enough, I'm sure they do.

God is called the first and the last (Isaiah 44:6). Jesus takes this
same name in Revelation 22:13.

Does the phrase "Alpha and the Omega" in Revelation really apply to
Jesus? First notice the introduction to the book, Re 1:1,

"The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his
servants what must soon take place. He made it known by sending his
angel to his servant John," (NIV)

We have two possible speakers here. God and Jesus. Both at times
speak.
(through an angelic representative) Thus, we need to know who is
speaking at any particular time. That phrase "Alpha and the Omega" is
found at Re 1:8; 21:6; and 22:13.

The first use at Rev 1:8 is clearly to God.

Concerning 21:6, look at the next verse, verse 7. The speaker is
saying that "...and I will be his God and he will be my son."

The setting is the heavenly throne. (verse 5). When Jesus is sitting
on his throne he refers to those who rule with him as "brothers" not
as "sons". (Mt 25:40; Heb 2:10-12) However these brothers of Jesus
are called "sons" of God. (Ga 3:26; 4:6) just like verse 7 calls them.
Thus the person sitting on the throne must be God and this is who 21:6
refers to.

Concerning 22:13, there are many persons speaking in this chapter.
Verses 8,9 is an angel, Verse 16 Jesus, Verse 17 (1st part) the Spirit
and the bride, Verse 20 (later part) the Apostle John. There is no
reason to believe that the "Alpha and the Omega" in verse 13 is not in reference to the same one, God, in verses 1:8 and 21:6. The word
"coming" in verse 12 has also been used in reference to
God "coming" to execute judgement. Isa 26:21,

"See, the LORD is coming out of his dwelling to punish the people of
the earth for their sins...." (LORD = tetragrammaton; Jehovah or
Yahweh, etc)

As to the meaning of Rev 21:6 and the word "Beginning" , notice God
calls himself the "Alpha and the Omega" which also mean first and
last. By saying "Alpha" did God mean he was the "first" God, thus came
into existence? No, since God was everlasting; He had no start.
Obviously, the words "Alpha" and "Beginning" mean here something
different. They mean that before Him there was no Almighty God and
after Him there will be none.

God says He created everything alone
(Isaiah 44:24), yet John says all things were made through Jesus (John
1:3), and Paul agrees (Colossians 1:16-17). Jesus is not a lesser god.
He is the Creator and sustainer of all things.

First of all, JW's say in their literature that Jesus was NOT a
CO-CREATOR, but rather God created things THROUGH him.

For example, in their Bible encyclopedia, "Insight on the Scriptures",
under the topic "Jesus Christ" it says,

"Not a co-Creator.

The Son's share in the creative works, however, did not make him a
co-Creator with his Father. The power for creation came from God
through his holy spirit, or active force. (Ge 1:2; Ps 33:6) And since
Jehovah is the Source of all life, all animate creation, visible and
invisible, owes its life to him. (Ps 36:9) Rather than a co-Creator,
then, the Son was the agent or instrumentality through whom Jehovah,
the Creator, worked. Jesus himself credited God with the creation, as
do all the Scriptures.-Mt 19:4-6; see CREATION." (Insight On The
Scriptures, Vol. 2, p. 52.)

Thus, the Bible doesn't define what it meant, that created things were
done by God THROUGH Jesus.

Jesus also bears the name above every name. In Philippians 2:10-11, all >creation bows to Him and confesses Him as Lord. This word oLordo (Greek: >kurios) often translates the Hebrew name Yahweh in the Septuagint.
Romans 10:13 quotes Joel 2:32, saying, oEveryone who calls on the name
of the Lord will be saved.o

Bad translation. Here is how it should look:

-- American Standard
Joel 2:32 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the
name of Jehovah shall be delivered; for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem
there shall be those that escape, as Jehovah hath said, and among the
remnant those whom Jehovah doth call.

This was said at a time BEFORE Jesus arrived on earth. When he did
arive, things changed. Now we can call on either one for salvation.

Paul applies that to Jesus (Romans 10:9-13),
showing that calling on Jesus is calling on Yahweh.

Since Jesus didn't do things according to his own will, that could be
said.

JesusAs resurrection proves His claims. God raised Him from the dead

If he is God, he raised himself. That's illogical. And has no
Scriptural support. THEY ARE TWO SEPARATE BEINGS. Thus God raised up
Jesus from the grave.

There is one of your Creeds which say Jesus "decended into hell". That
is true, "hell" meaning the grave. Jesus had no conscious existence
while in his grave. (hell) He fully trusted that God would bring him
back to life again. And he did.

to
show that He is the Son of God in power (Romans 1:4). He now sits at
GodAs right hand (Hebrews 1:3), receives worship from angels (Hebrews
1:6)

Negatrons! When the Devil tempted him in the wilderness, and wanted to
be worshipped, Jesus said worship should go to ONLY God:

-- New King James
Matthew 4:10 Then Jesus said to him, "Away with you, Satan! For it is
written, `You shall worship the Lord your God, and Him only you shall
serve.' ''

, and will return to judge the world (Acts 17:31), a role that
belongs to God alone (Genesis 18:25).

Negatrons. Some things changed when Jesus came to the earth. Jehovah
now gave Jesus certain authorites, one of which is to judge humans.

Some try to deny His deity by saying He prayed to the Father or called
the Father His God. But these truths show His humanity and His
relationship to the Father, not a denial of deity.

You are calling it things the Bible doesn't say, in order to support
your beliefs. The very thing you accuse me of, you do. I try not to
get too personal when discussions go on. So I will try to limit it.

Jesus became fully
man without ceasing to be fully God. He lived in perfect dependence on
the Father as the second Adam (Romans 5:18-19; Philippians 2:6-8). He >prayed, submitted, and obeyed to accomplish our salvation. The eternal
Son added human nature so He could die for sins, rise again, and bring
many sons to glory (Hebrews 2:10).

If Jesus was God, how come the Bible said that no one has seen God?
Did the Bible lie again? Or might you be misinterpreting certain
Scriptures?

The Trinity explains this. The Father, the Son, and the Spirit are
distinct Persons, but each is fully God. The Son is not the Father, but
He shares the same divine nature. The Son came in the flesh. The Spirit >applies His work. The Father sent the Son, the Son obeyed, and the
Spirit testifies (John 14u16).

That 4th century Trinity doctrine seems to buffalo many people. The
Bible did say that in the last days there would be teachings of
demons, like the Trinity and hellfire. Both of them are designed to
degrade God.

For the Trinity, God's mind is split into 3 different personalities.
Today that is called "Dissociative Identity Disorder (DID)" People
with that illness are helped a bit with certan drugs. And one of their personalities may not know what the other ones are doing.

To reject Jesus as God is to reject the gospel.

On the contrary, it is to downgrade the evil one who constantly
promotes false teachings. From my point of view, you are an exact copy
of the churches. And that is not good. (Rev 18:4)

Unless He is truly God,
He cannot save (John 8:24). A creature cannot bear the infinite wrath of
God for our sins. Only God can save sinners (Isaiah 43:11). Jesus, fully
God and fully man, bore our punishment and rose again. This gospel
centers on who He is (1 Corinthians 15:1-4).

In the OT, was only God, but with Jesus mostly on the sidelines. But
when Jesus came to earth, Jesus WAS GIVEN authority to forgive sins.
You have to take the Bible as a whole, because it is all beneficial.
(2 Tim 3:16)

I am going to stop it here, because what is below we have already
discussed many times before.

Have a good one.

The Scriptures speak with one voice: Jesus is God. He is the eternal
Word made flesh, the Son of God who shares the nature, works, titles,
and worship of the Father. He is not just a good teacher or a powerful >prophet. He is oour great God and Savioro (Titus 2:13, ESV). To believe
in Him is to believe in God. To deny Him is to reject the only hope of >salvation.

The disciples, in their inspired New Testament writings, accepted L??? >(kurios) as an accurate translation of God's name from the LXX, and
applied it to Jesus Christ:

1. Joel 2:32 ? Romans 10:13
o Joel 2:32 (LXX): oEveryone who calls on the name of the LORD
(*Kurios*) will be saved.o

o Romans 10:13: oEveryone who calls on the name of the LORD
(*Kurios*) will be saved.o

Paul applies this to Jesus in Romans 10:9, identifying Him as the
*Kurios* on whom we call for salvation.

2. Isaiah 45:23 ? Philippians 2:10u11

o Isaiah 45:23 (LXX): oTo Me every knee shall bow, every tongue
shall confess to God.o

o Philippians 2:10u11: oAt the name of Jesus every knee should
bow... and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is LORD
(*Kurios*).o

Paul applies this passage about YHWH to Jesus, calling Him *Kurios*.

3. Deuteronomy 6:4 ? 1 Corinthians 8:6

o Deuteronomy 6:4 (LXX): oThe LORD (*Kurios*) our God, the LORD
(*Kurios*) is one.o

o 1 Corinthians 8:6: oYet for us there is one God, the Father...
and one LORD (*Kurios*), Jesus Christ.o

Paul affirms monotheism and includes Jesus as *Kurios* within the divine >identity.

4. Psalm 34:8 ? 1 Peter 2:3

o Psalm 34:8 (LXX): oTaste and see that the LORD (*Kurios*) is
good.o

o 1 Peter 2:3: oIf indeed you have tasted that the LORD
(*Kurios*) is good.o

Peter quotes the psalm about YHWH and applies it to Jesus as *Kurios*.

5. Isaiah 8:13u14 ? 1 Peter 3:15; Romans 9:33

o Isaiah 8:13: oBut the LORD (*Kurios*) of hosts, Him you shall
honor as holy...o

o 1 Peter 3:15: oHonor Christ the LORD (*Kurios*) as holy in your
hearts.o

o Isaiah 8:14: oAnd He will become a sanctuary and a stone of
stumbling...o

Romans 9:33 and 1 Peter 2:8 apply this stumbling stone to Christ, >identifying Him as the *Kurios*.

6. Psalm 102:25u27 ? Hebrews 1:10u12

o Psalm 102:25 (LXX): oYou, LORD (*Kurios*), laid the foundation
of the earth in the beginning.o

o Hebrews 1:10: oYou, LORD (*Kurios*), laid the foundation of the
earth in the beginning.o

The writer explicitly says this was spoken oof the Son,o identifying
Jesus as *Kurios*.

7. Deuteronomy 10:17 ? Revelation 19:16

o Deuteronomy 10:17 (LXX): oFor the LORD (*Kurios*) your God is
God of gods and LORD (*Kurios*) of lords.o

o Revelation 19:16: oKing of kings and LORD (*Kurios*) of lords.o

The title for YHWH is applied to Jesus, who bears the name *Kurios* of all.

The New Testament authors consistently affirm *Kurios* as the proper >translation of YHWH and deliberately apply passages about the *Kurios*
of the Old Testament to Jesus Christ.

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On Mon, 23 Feb 2026 19:42:57 -0600, Christ Rose
<usenet@christrose.news> wrote:

Jesus is God

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Jesus is God.

Negatrons. If you worship a creation of God, as God, in the OT that
would be a death penalty:

-- King James
Colossians 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn
of every creature:

Study the context around Col 1:15, and you will see it names THINGS
CREATED. And Jesus was the first.
Jesus himself said:

-- King James
John 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come
again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go
unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

The apostle Paul knew that. While Jesus was in Heaven with God, Paul
wrote:

-- King James
1 Corinthians 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every
man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of
Christ is God.

How could Paul say that if Jesus was God?

This truth stands at the center of the gospel and defines
the Christian faith. The Bible teaches clearly, from beginning to end,
that Jesus shares the divine nature, authority, and glory of God.

John 14:28 and 1 Cor 11:3 contradicts your statement, as well as many
others.

Those
who deny this truth reject what God has revealed about His Son. To >understand why we say Jesus is God, we must walk through the BibleAs >testimony.

Yes, the Bible says to PROVE your assertions:

-- King James
1 Thessalonians 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.

The Old Testament prepared the way for the coming of God in the flesh.

God is a spirit being, not a fleshly being. (John 4:23,24) Also, Jesus
died and was resurrected. GOD NEVER DIED:

-- King James
Psalms 90:2 Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou
hadst formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to
everlasting, thou art God.

The prophet Isaiah foretold that a child would be born called oMighty
Godo (Isaiah 9:6).

First, it doesn't say 'Almighty God'. That would clear things up fast.
also, there are no caps in Bible Hebrew. Thus your line would read:
"mighty god".

But even the NWT says "Mighty God". So what gives? Look at that
Scripture more closely:

- New King James
Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a Child is born, unto us a Son is given; and
the government will be upon His shoulder. And His name will be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
Notice ALL of the names are capitalized. That is because in English grammatically, NAMES are proper nouns and have to be capitalized.

My question is why was Jesus not named Emmanuel as these other scriptures tell

Carefully notice how Isaiah uses the word "name" a couple of chapters
later at Isa 9:6,

"For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the
government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called
Wonderful, Counseller, The mighty God, the everlasting Father, The
Prince of Peace." (KJV)

With one of his "name"s to be "The Prince of Peace", clearly Isaiah
was not showing us the literal name of that "child" to be, but rather
prophetic title-names that would apply to him, such as those above,
and "Immanuel" at 7:14 which means "With Us Is God".

And Matthew at Mt 1:22,23 was clearly quoting one of those prophetic title-names from Isaiah. Mt 1:22,

"Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of
the Lord by the prophet, saying," (KJV)

Jesus actual name that he would be called by, was delivered by an
angel to Mary at Lu 1:31,

"And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son,
and shalt call his name Jesus." (KJV)

Yes those names mentioned at Isa 9:6 were title-names given to Jesus
which he would fulfill. So if Isa 6:9 calls Jesus, God, then that
would contradict Jesus' words at John 1:18a. So, the meaning of Isa
9:6 can only mean that Jesus was God-like, which he was.

And recall the Scripture which PROVES Jesus was not Almighty God:

-- King James
John 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son,
which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

Thus if Jesus was really God, John 1:18 would be lying.

In the same book, Isaiah said the coming voice in the
wilderness would prepare the way of Yahweh Himself (Isaiah 40:3). When
John the Baptist fulfilled this, he prepared the way for Jesus (Matthew >3:3), showing that Jesus is Yahweh in human form.

Negatrons. Jesus COPIED his Father exactly, so when one saw Jesus, it
was as if they were seeing God Himself. But recall, the Bible says no
human can see God and still live. His glory is too great for the human
body to experience.

Can you be 5 ft from the sun? Of course not. You would be vaporized.
Then try being 5 feet away from the One who made trillions of suns.

The New Testament makes this even more clear. The Gospel of John begins
by calling Jesus othe Word,o saying, oIn the beginning was the Word, and
the Word was with God, and the Word was Godo (John 1:1, ESV). He was not >created. He existed from the beginning with God and as God.

What "beginning"? God always was. (Ps 90:2) But Jesus did have a
beginning, even before he came to earth. (Col 1:15)

Then John

tells us, oAnd the Word became flesh and dwelt among uso (John 1:14,
ESV). Jesus, the eternal Word, took on human nature without ceasing to
be God.

Nice try. Then if Jesus was still God, explain this Scripture:

-- New King James
John 1:18 No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten Son, who
is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him.

Did John lie?

Jesus claimed divine identity many times. In John 8:58, He said, oBefore >Abraham was, I amo (John 8:58, ESV). This statement echoes GodAs name in >Exodus 3:14uoI AM WHO I AM.o The Jews understood this clearly. They
picked up stones to kill Him for blasphemy because He made Himself equal >with God (John 8:59).

Jesus knew he existed before the world was made, but this doesn't
prove he was God Almighty. (John 17:5) Many angels also existed before
the world was created. (Job 38:7). In Exodus 3:14 God was using this
as a title and name to be used against the Egyptians.

A Bible scholar Dr. J.H. Hertz said that in that phrase 'I am that I
am' the main emphasis in on the active manifestation of God's Divine
existence. He said that God was about to show himself in behalf of his
people in great and wonderful way. He said that "I will be what I will
be" is also an approved rendering.

The footnote to the NASB Bible agrees and says, "1.14 Or I WILL BE
WHAT I WILL BE " .

When Jesus used the phrase he was not using it as a name or title. He
was only explaining his pre-human existence.

The Greek Septuagint Version, which is the one the Apostles quoted
from in the first century, renders Exodus 3:14 as " ego' eimi' ho
Ohn'," which translates "I am the Being". The Greek words at John 8:58
"ego eimi" show the use of the verb "eimi" in the historical present
because Jesus was talking about himself in relation to Abraham's past.
That is why some translations render it differently. For example:

--An American Translation reads. "I existed before Abraham was born!", --Moffatt, "I have existed before Abraham was born",
--Sacred Bible, "Before Abraham existed, I was existing",
--The New Testament, "Jesus said to them, 'I tell you, I existed
before Abraham was born!",
--The Four Gospels According the Sinaitic Palimpsest, "He said unto
them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I have
been.",
--The Twentieth Century New Testament, "Believe me 'Jesus replied,
'before Abraham was born I was already what I am.",
--The Modern New Testament, "Jesus said to them, Truly, truly, I say
to you, Before Abraham was born, I was.",
--The Syriac New Testament, "Jesus said to them: Verily, verily, I say
to you, That before Abraham existed, I was."
--The New World Translation (NWT) " Jesus said to them: "Most truly I
say to YOU, Before Abraham came into existence, I have been.""

In some non-English Bibles:

--C. Stage's Das Neue Testament (German) "Jesus said to them: 'Truly,
truly, I say to you" : Before Abrham was born, I was.",
--Nuevo Testamento (Spanish), "Jesus answered: 'In truth, in truth, I
say to you: Before Abraham was born, I was",
--F. Pfaefflin's Das Neue Testament (German): "Jesus: 'Before there
was an Abraham, I was already there [war ich schon da]!'"

The same expression "ego eimi",(I am) is used at John 8:24 and 28. But
many of the same translators who translate it just as "I am" at John
8:58, translate it as "I am he" at John 8:24 and 28. (NASB,
NIV-footnote).

Thus there is no Trinity reference here, nor Jesus is God statement.

Jesus also forgave sins, something only God can do.

Tell that to the Catholic priests in the confessionals.

When He told a

paralytic, oYour sins are forgiveno (Mark 2:5, ESV), the scribes said,
oWho can forgive sins but God alone?o (Mark 2:7, ESV). Jesus did not
deny their logic. Instead, He healed the man to prove His divine
authority (Mark 2:10).

If he was really God, he wouldn't say he has authority on earth. That
would be a no-brainier.

Also, Jesus said he does nothing of his own, but only what God tells
him to do:

-- Revised Standard
John 5:30 "I can do nothing on my own authority; as I hear, I judge;
and my judgment is just, because I seek not my own will but the will
of him who sent me.

Yes, Jesus was SENT. He didn't send himself. And Jesus didn't do his
own will, rather God's will. (two separate wills here if you are
counting)

Jesus accepted worship that belongs only to God. After His resurrection, >Thomas fell before Him and said, oMy Lord and my God!o (John 20:28,
ESV). Jesus did not correct him.

What is that character right after the "d"? Yes it is an exclamation
mark. This shows great surprise, like "holy cow!" etc.

And the Scripture doesn't say "Thomas fell before him." That's
twisting the Scripture to support your idea of worship.

He affirmed ThomasAs faith. In
contrast, when others tried to worship angels or apostles, they were
stopped immediately (Acts 10:25-26; Revelation 22:8-9).

That is a good point, from your perspective. But the Scripture doesn't
say Thomas attempted to worship Jesus. That is what you hope, but
according to Scripture not what happened.

The apostle Paul also testified clearly. He said, oFor in him the whole >fullness of deity dwells bodilyo (Colossians 2:9, ESV). Jesus does not >merely reflect God. He is fully God in human flesh. Paul also called
Jesus oour great God and Savioro (Titus 2:13, ESV)

Concerning Titus 2:13. It is true that there is only one definite
article "the" used before the two nouns "God,Savior" which are
connected by the conjunction "and". But even the footnote in the
popular NASB translation shows this passage can be rendered,

"[1]Or the great God and our Savior"

Thus showing two distinct persons here.

The same grammatical construction is found at 2 Theses 1:12 but here
the NASB and NIV Bibles insert the definite article "the" before the
second noun "Lord". It reads,

"so that the *name of our Lord Jesus will be glorified in you, and you
in Him, according to the grace of our God and the Lord Jesus Christ."
(NASB)

(The NIV agrees with the NASB as the preferred text, but has a
footnote showing it the other way.)

Also Paul back one chapter showed that Jesus and God were two distinct
persons.
Titus 1:4.

"To Titus, my true son in our common faith: Grace and peace from God
the Father and Christ Jesus our Savior. (NIV)

and said that Jesus,
though equal with God,

You keep throwing things in there that are not in the Scripture. Yes,
one of your church Creeds say they are equal. (and they toss in the
Holy Spirit).

But the apostle Paul made it abundantly clear, Jesus is inferior to
God. Was then and always will be:

- King James
1 Corinthians 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every
man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of
Christ is God.

Or, was Paul lying?

humbled Himself to become a man (Philippians
2:6-7). His name is above every name, and every knee will bow to Him >(Philippians 2:10-11), echoing Isaiah 45:23ua passage that speaks of
Yahweh alone.

PHP 2:10,11,

"10. That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in
heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
11. And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord,
to the glory of God the Father." (KJV)

You are skipping over the main point here. All of Jesus doings was for
the glory of God, not himself.

The author of Hebrews speaks the same way. Hebrews 1:3 says that Jesus
is othe radiance of the glory of God and the exact imprint of his
natureo (Hebrews 1:3, ESV).

It would have been a simple matter just to call Jesus, God. But
nowhere does he do that. On the contrary, he says Jesus is subordinate
to God. (1 Cor 11:3)

He upholds the universe by His word. In
Hebrews 1:8, God the Father says to the Son, oYour throne, O God, is
forever and evero (Hebrews 1:8, ESV). This is a direct call to the Son
as God.

In that translation yes. Then why would he also say that God was
superior to Jesus at 1 Cor 11:3?
Concerning Hebrews 1:8. Is the word "God" in this verse referring to
Jesus or God Almighty? The Apostle Paul here is quoting Ps 45:3-7 and
then applying verses 6,7 to Jesus. Notice the context by verse 9
"therefore God, your God" shows that the person in verse 8 is one who
is anointed by God and one who worships God. That would mean that God
worships himself. (a creepy thought)

Also, the first application of Ps 45:3-7 was to King David who
foreshadowed Jesus Christ and was said to sit on God's throne. (1 Ch
29:23) Was the writer making the first application calling David,
Almighty God? Not likely. That is why the translation "Your throne, O
God," can also correctly be rendered "God is your throne" because
there is no verb "is" in the original Hebrew or Greek documents, thus
it is up to the translators to insert it. Since He 1:8 is quoting
Psalm 45:6 then He 1:8 can also be rendered "God is your throne".

The Bible scholar B.F.Wescott said that it was scarcely possible that
"Elohim" (God) should be addressed to a human king thus the
translation "God is thy throne" seemed the best one.

Some other Bible translations that use this wording are An American Translation, Moffatt, and the marginal readings of American Standard
Version, RSV,and NEB.

When using the last translation it becomes clear that Jesus throne and
all his authority is from Almighty God.

Peter also confessed this truth. He opened his second letter by
addressing believers who have received faith oby the righteousness of
our God and Savior Jesus Christo (2 Peter 1:1, ESV). This pairing of
oGod and Savioro refers to one PersonuJesus Christ.

The KJV disagrees with you:

-- King James
2 Peter 1:1 Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to
them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the
righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:

Two people mentioned: God AND Jesus.

Even the Old Testament titles and actions of God are applied to Jesus.

When you twist them enough, I'm sure they do.

God is called the first and the last (Isaiah 44:6). Jesus takes this
same name in Revelation 22:13.

Does the phrase "Alpha and the Omega" in Revelation really apply to
Jesus? First notice the introduction to the book, Re 1:1,

"The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his
servants what must soon take place. He made it known by sending his
angel to his servant John," (NIV)

We have two possible speakers here. God and Jesus. Both at times
speak.
(through an angelic representative) Thus, we need to know who is
speaking at any particular time. That phrase "Alpha and the Omega" is
found at Re 1:8; 21:6; and 22:13.

The first use at Rev 1:8 is clearly to God.

Concerning 21:6, look at the next verse, verse 7. The speaker is
saying that "...and I will be his God and he will be my son."

The setting is the heavenly throne. (verse 5). When Jesus is sitting
on his throne he refers to those who rule with him as "brothers" not
as "sons". (Mt 25:40; Heb 2:10-12) However these brothers of Jesus
are called "sons" of God. (Ga 3:26; 4:6) just like verse 7 calls them.
Thus the person sitting on the throne must be God and this is who 21:6
refers to.

Concerning 22:13, there are many persons speaking in this chapter.
Verses 8,9 is an angel, Verse 16 Jesus, Verse 17 (1st part) the Spirit
and the bride, Verse 20 (later part) the Apostle John. There is no
reason to believe that the "Alpha and the Omega" in verse 13 is not in reference to the same one, God, in verses 1:8 and 21:6. The word
"coming" in verse 12 has also been used in reference to
God "coming" to execute judgment. Isa 26:21,

"See, the LORD is coming out of his dwelling to punish the people of
the earth for their sins...." (LORD = tetragrammaton; Jehovah or
Yahweh, etc)

As to the meaning of Rev 21:6 and the word "Beginning" , notice God
calls himself the "Alpha and the Omega" which also mean first and
last. By saying "Alpha" did God mean he was the "first" God, thus came
into existence? No, since God was everlasting; He had no start.
Obviously, the words "Alpha" and "Beginning" mean here something
different. They mean that before Him there was no Almighty God and
after Him there will be none.

God says He created everything alone
(Isaiah 44:24), yet John says all things were made through Jesus (John
1:3), and Paul agrees (Colossians 1:16-17). Jesus is not a lesser god.
He is the Creator and sustainer of all things.

First of all, JW's say in their literature that Jesus was NOT a
CO-CREATOR, but rather God created things THROUGH him.

For example, in their Bible encyclopedia, "Insight on the Scriptures",
under the topic "Jesus Christ" it says,

"Not a co-Creator.

The Son's share in the creative works, however, did not make him a
co-Creator with his Father. The power for creation came from God
through his holy spirit, or active force. (Ge 1:2; Ps 33:6) And since
Jehovah is the Source of all life, all animate creation, visible and
invisible, owes its life to him. (Ps 36:9) Rather than a co-Creator,
then, the Son was the agent or instrumentality through whom Jehovah,
the Creator, worked. Jesus himself credited God with the creation, as
do all the Scriptures.-Mt 19:4-6; see CREATION." (Insight On The
Scriptures, Vol. 2, p. 52.)

Thus, the Bible doesn't define what it meant, that created things were
done by God THROUGH Jesus.

Jesus also bears the name above every name. In Philippians 2:10-11, all >creation bows to Him and confesses Him as Lord. This word oLordo (Greek: >kurios) often translates the Hebrew name Yahweh in the Septuagint.
Romans 10:13 quotes Joel 2:32, saying, oEveryone who calls on the name
of the Lord will be saved.o

Bad translation. Here is how it should look:

-- American Standard
Joel 2:32 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the
name of Jehovah shall be delivered; for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem
there shall be those that escape, as Jehovah hath said, and among the
remnant those whom Jehovah doth call.

This was said at a time BEFORE Jesus arrived on earth. When he did
arrive, things changed. Now we can call on either one for salvation.

Paul applies that to Jesus (Romans 10:9-13),
showing that calling on Jesus is calling on Yahweh.

Since Jesus didn't do things according to his own will, that could be
said.

JesusAs resurrection proves His claims. God raised Him from the dead

If he is God, he raised himself. That's illogical. And has no
Scriptural support. THEY ARE TWO SEPARATE BEINGS. Thus God raised up
Jesus from the grave.

There is one of your Creeds which say Jesus "descended into hell".
That is true, "hell" meaning the grave. Jesus had no conscious
existence while in his grave. (hell) He fully trusted that God would
bring him back to life again. And he did.

to
show that He is the Son of God in power (Romans 1:4). He now sits at
GodAs right hand (Hebrews 1:3), receives worship from angels (Hebrews
1:6)

Negatrons! When the Devil tempted him in the wilderness, and wanted to
be worshipped, Jesus said worship should go to ONLY God:

-- New King James
Matthew 4:10 Then Jesus said to him, "Away with you, Satan! For it is
written, `You shall worship the Lord your God, and Him only you shall
serve.' ''

, and will return to judge the world (Acts 17:31), a role that
belongs to God alone (Genesis 18:25).

Negatrons. Some things changed when Jesus came to the earth. Jehovah
now gave Jesus certain authorities, one of which is to judge humans.

Some try to deny His deity by saying He prayed to the Father or called
the Father His God. But these truths show His humanity and His
relationship to the Father, not a denial of deity.

You are calling it things the Bible doesn't say, in order to support
your beliefs. The very thing you accuse me of, you do. I try not to
get too personal when discussions go on. So I will try to limit it.

Jesus became fully
man without ceasing to be fully God. He lived in perfect dependence on
the Father as the second Adam (Romans 5:18-19; Philippians 2:6-8). He >prayed, submitted, and obeyed to accomplish our salvation. The eternal
Son added human nature so He could die for sins, rise again, and bring
many sons to glory (Hebrews 2:10).

If Jesus was God, how come the Bible said that no one has seen God?
Did the Bible lie again? Or might you be misinterpreting certain
Scriptures?

The Trinity explains this. The Father, the Son, and the Spirit are
distinct Persons, but each is fully God. The Son is not the Father, but
He shares the same divine nature. The Son came in the flesh. The Spirit >applies His work. The Father sent the Son, the Son obeyed, and the
Spirit testifies (John 14u16).

That 4th century Trinity doctrine seems to buffalo many people. The
Bible did say that in the last days there would be teachings of
demons, like the Trinity and hellfire. Both of them are designed to
degrade God.

For the Trinity, God's mind is split into 3 different personalities.
Today that is called "Dissociative Identity Disorder (DID)" People
with that illness are helped a bit with certain drugs. And one of
their personalities may not know what the other ones are doing.

To reject Jesus as God is to reject the gospel.

On the contrary, it is to downgrade the evil one who constantly
promotes false teachings. From my point of view, you are an exact copy
of the churches. And that is not good. (Rev 18:4)

Unless He is truly God,
He cannot save (John 8:24). A creature cannot bear the infinite wrath of
God for our sins. Only God can save sinners (Isaiah 43:11). Jesus, fully
God and fully man, bore our punishment and rose again. This gospel
centers on who He is (1 Corinthians 15:1-4).

In the OT, was only God, but with Jesus mostly on the sidelines. But
when Jesus came to earth, Jesus WAS GIVEN authority to forgive sins.
You have to take the Bible as a whole, because it is all beneficial.
(2 Tim 3:16)

I am going to stop it here, because what is below we have already
discussed many times before.

Have a good one.

The Scriptures speak with one voice: Jesus is God. He is the eternal
Word made flesh, the Son of God who shares the nature, works, titles,
and worship of the Father. He is not just a good teacher or a powerful >prophet. He is oour great God and Savioro (Titus 2:13, ESV). To believe
in Him is to believe in God. To deny Him is to reject the only hope of >salvation.

The disciples, in their inspired New Testament writings, accepted L??? >(kurios) as an accurate translation of God's name from the LXX, and
applied it to Jesus Christ:

1. Joel 2:32 ? Romans 10:13
o Joel 2:32 (LXX): oEveryone who calls on the name of the LORD
(*Kurios*) will be saved.o

o Romans 10:13: oEveryone who calls on the name of the LORD
(*Kurios*) will be saved.o

Paul applies this to Jesus in Romans 10:9, identifying Him as the
*Kurios* on whom we call for salvation.

2. Isaiah 45:23 ? Philippians 2:10u11

o Isaiah 45:23 (LXX): oTo Me every knee shall bow, every tongue
shall confess to God.o

o Philippians 2:10u11: oAt the name of Jesus every knee should
bow... and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is LORD
(*Kurios*).o

Paul applies this passage about YHWH to Jesus, calling Him *Kurios*.

3. Deuteronomy 6:4 ? 1 Corinthians 8:6

o Deuteronomy 6:4 (LXX): oThe LORD (*Kurios*) our God, the LORD
(*Kurios*) is one.o

o 1 Corinthians 8:6: oYet for us there is one God, the Father...
and one LORD (*Kurios*), Jesus Christ.o

Paul affirms monotheism and includes Jesus as *Kurios* within the divine >identity.

4. Psalm 34:8 ? 1 Peter 2:3

o Psalm 34:8 (LXX): oTaste and see that the LORD (*Kurios*) is
good.o

o 1 Peter 2:3: oIf indeed you have tasted that the LORD
(*Kurios*) is good.o

Peter quotes the psalm about YHWH and applies it to Jesus as *Kurios*.

5. Isaiah 8:13u14 ? 1 Peter 3:15; Romans 9:33

o Isaiah 8:13: oBut the LORD (*Kurios*) of hosts, Him you shall
honor as holy...o

o 1 Peter 3:15: oHonor Christ the LORD (*Kurios*) as holy in your
hearts.o

o Isaiah 8:14: oAnd He will become a sanctuary and a stone of
stumbling...o

Romans 9:33 and 1 Peter 2:8 apply this stumbling stone to Christ, >identifying Him as the *Kurios*.

6. Psalm 102:25u27 ? Hebrews 1:10u12

o Psalm 102:25 (LXX): oYou, LORD (*Kurios*), laid the foundation
of the earth in the beginning.o

o Hebrews 1:10: oYou, LORD (*Kurios*), laid the foundation of the
earth in the beginning.o

The writer explicitly says this was spoken oof the Son,o identifying
Jesus as *Kurios*.

7. Deuteronomy 10:17 ? Revelation 19:16

o Deuteronomy 10:17 (LXX): oFor the LORD (*Kurios*) your God is
God of gods and LORD (*Kurios*) of lords.o

o Revelation 19:16: oKing of kings and LORD (*Kurios*) of lords.o

The title for YHWH is applied to Jesus, who bears the name *Kurios* of all.

The New Testament authors consistently affirm *Kurios* as the proper >translation of YHWH and deliberately apply passages about the *Kurios*
of the Old Testament to Jesus Christ.

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On Mon, 23 Feb 2026 19:42:57 -0600, Christ Rose
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Jesus is God

https://www.christrose.news/Jesus-is-God

Jesus is God.

[see above]
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raised Him from the dead?

That Christ died for our sins shows we're sinners who deserve the death penalty. That God raised Him from the dead shows Christ's death
satisfied God's righteous demands against our sin (Romans 3:25; 1 John
2:1-2). This means God can now remain just, while forgiving you of your
sins, and saving you from eternal damnation.

On the basis of Christ's death and resurrection for our sins, call on
the name of the Lord to save you: "For 'everyone who calls on the name
of the Lord will be saved'" (Romans 10:13, ESV).

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Watchtower Heretic James <zebrabible@proton.me> wrote: ========================================

On Mon, 23 Feb 2026 19:42:57 -0600, Christ Rose
<usenet@christrose.news> wrote:

Jesus is God

https://www.christrose.news/Jesus-is-God

Jesus is God.

[See above. The Bible clearly teaches Jesus is God]
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Have you heard the good news Christ died for our sins (rCa), and God
raised Him from the dead?

That Christ died for our sins shows we're sinners who deserve the death penalty. That God raised Him from the dead shows Christ's death
satisfied God's righteous demands against our sin (Romans 3:25; 1 John
2:1-2). This means God can now remain just, while forgiving you of your
sins, and saving you from eternal damnation.

On the basis of Christ's death and resurrection for our sins, call on
the name of the Lord to save you: "For 'everyone who calls on the name
of the Lord will be saved'" (Romans 10:13, ESV).

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Death: False hopes by what is insanely evil.

Death. The end of life. People all over the earth want to know if
there is "another side". Many believe in an afterlife mainly because
they hear it from the churches. They teach, at death, the soul
continues to live in the spirit realm. So various believers go to
mediums to try to contact a loved one. But let's cut to the chase
here.

The Bible says the writing of it was influenced by God. (2 Tim 3:16)
And that God's word is TRUTH. (John 17:17) So then, what's happening
with the dead? Men have come up with all kinds of speculations But
since we have a guarantee that there is a source of real truths, let's
find out what it says. You may be surprised:

-- King James
Ecclesiastes 9:5 For the living know that they shall die: but the
dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the
memory of them is forgotten.

The dead "know not any thing". This Bible truth is simple to
understand. Next:

-- King James
Ecclesiastes 9:10 Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy
might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in
the grave, whither thou goest.

"nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest."

Again it is simple to understand this Bible truth. A dead person has
to knowledge nor wisdom, etc. Thus all have IQ's of ZERO. Next:

"3. Put not your trust in princes, nor in the son of man, in whom
there is no help.
4. His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; in that very
day his thoughts perish." (Ps 146:3,4; KJV)

Thus in a short summary, the dead:

-Don't know anything
-have no knowledge
-have no thoughts

That is simple and easy to understand those BIBLE TRUTHS. And Jesus
agrees:

-- King James
John 11:11 These things said he: and after that he saith unto them,
Our friend Lazarus sleepeth; but I go, that I may awake him out of
sleep.

-- King James
John 11:14 Then said Jesus unto them plainly, Lazarus is dead.

So Jesus didn't say some supernatural thing, a soul, keeps on living
after death. Jesus equates death with sleeping. Are you conscience
when you sleep? Another way to say it is the dead are not existing.

Then what is their hope? This:

-- King James
Acts 24:15 And have hope toward God, which they themselves also
allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the
just and unjust.

Use your common sense if someone tries to twist these Scriptures to
make them say things they don't. These are simple Bible truths;
TRUTHS.

But the Bible warns us:

- New King James
1 Timothy 4:1 Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some
will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and
doctrines of demons,

Don't let that happen to you.

"How Can You Have More Than This Life?
There is a oroado you need to take to have the sort of life that God
is preparing for those who love him.
Learn More". See jw.org (2/24/2026)
James: zebrabible@proton.me









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Watchtower Heretic James <zebrabible@proton.me> wrote: ========================================

But the Bible warns us:

- New King James
1 Timothy 4:1 Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some
will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and
doctrines of demons,

Don't let that happen to you.

You already did. That's why you've devoted your life to promoting soul-damning, false-gospel, Bible-rejecting, "Watchtower" lies.
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Have you heard the good news Christ died for our sins (rCa), and God
raised Him from the dead?

That Christ died for our sins shows we're sinners who deserve the death penalty. That God raised Him from the dead shows Christ's death
satisfied God's righteous demands against our sin (Romans 3:25; 1 John
2:1-2). This means God can now remain just, while forgiving you of your
sins, and saving you from eternal damnation.

On the basis of Christ's death and resurrection for our sins, call on
the name of the Lord to save you: "For 'everyone who calls on the name
of the Lord will be saved'" (Romans 10:13, ESV).

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