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The churches missing verse.

I have been trying to find a verse practiced by the churches of
Christendom. I think I'll look in the popular NIV Bible.

It is where Jesus says something like, 'Pick up the sword and slay
your fellow man, whether they are Christian or not, when your
political leaders declare war with his country and classify him as an
ENEMY.'

Surely it must be in the Bible. The churches have followed that
missing verse to the letter all through the ages. They have convinced
many people to follow that verse. The graveyards testify to this. They
used that verse during the Crusades, and during WW1 & WW2, in Northern
Ireland, etc, etc.

So let's have a look. It has got to be here somewhere........

Here's something. Jesus said at Matthew 26:52, ""Put your sword back
in its place," Jesus said to him, "for all who draw the sword will die
by the sword.""

Whoops, this says just the opposite. (must be a misprint)

Ok then, let's try Jesus' words at John 13:35, "By this all men will
know that you are my disciples, if you love one another." (NIV)

That can't be it. Must have some deep symbolic meaning or something.

Wait, here's one. Jesus' statement at Matthew 5:44, "But I tell you:
Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you," This has to
be scribal error.

Oh well, I'll keep looking for that verse.

But since the churches talk about God and Jesus frequently and quote a
lot of scriptures, and are supported by a lot of people, they must
have God's support. Right?


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Matthew 26:52 does not forbid military service:

rCLPut your sword back into its place. For all who take the sword
will perish by the sword.rCY (Matthew 26:52, ESV)

Jesus rebukes vigilante violence in defense of Himself. He does not
overturn GodrCOs ordained role of civil authority.

Romans 13 establishes God-ordained government authority, including
lethal force:

rCLFor he is GodrCOs servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be
afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain.rCY (Romans 13:4,
ESV)

The sword represents lawful authority to punish evil. God authorizes it.
Jesus does not contradict His own Word.

John the Baptist does not condemn soldiers for their profession or for killing:

rCLAnd soldiers also asked him, rCyAnd we, what shall we do?rCO And he
said to them, rCyDo not extort money from anyone by threats or by
false accusation, and be content with your wages.rCOrCY (Luke 3:14,
ESV)

Are we to understand that John would put "murder" as a lesser offense to repent of than extortion and contentment? That's the stupid lie
"Jehovah's Witnesses" have to float to pretend like not mentioning
murder here would be the same as not mentioning eating pizza or
something else.

Jesus affirms just authority even under pagan rule:

rCLRender to Caesar the things that are CaesarrCOs, and to God the
things that are GodrCOs.rCY (Matthew 22:21, ESV)

Submission to lawful authority includes civil obligations, not anarchy
or pacifism.

John 13:35 defines love inside the church, not foreign policy.

rCLBy this all people will know that you are my disciples, if you
have love for one another.rCY (John 13:35, ESV)

Jesus speaks of covenant love among believers, not the abolition of
justice or defense against evil.

Matthew 5:44 governs personal retaliation, not public justice:

rCLLove your enemies and pray for those who persecute you.rCY
(Matthew 5:44, ESV)

Personal love and prayer never cancel GodrCOs justice executed through
lawful authority.

God Himself wages righteous war:

rCLThe Lord is a warrior; the Lord is his name.rCY (Exodus 15:3, ESV)

If all killing were immoral, God would contradict His own nature and acts.

Jesus will execute final judgment violently:

rCLFrom his mouth comes a sharp sword with which to strike down the
nations.rCY (Revelation 19:15, ESV)

The same Christ who commands love will personally destroy His enemies at
His return.

The real contradiction is not Scripture but selective reading.
"Jehovah's Witness" liars try to isolate JesusrCO words from the rest of Scripture, deny GodrCOs instituted authority, and confuse personal ethics
with civil justice. Scripture stays consistent. Their arguments are
exposed and collapse as stupid lies.
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sins, and saving you from eternal damnation.

On the basis of Christ's death and resurrection for our sins, call on
the name of the Lord to save you: "For 'everyone who calls on the name
of the Lord will be saved'" (Romans 10:13, ESV).

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On Wed, 4 Feb 2026 16:37:33 -0600, Christ Rose
<usenet@christrose.news> wrote:

Matthew 26:52 does not forbid military service:

oPut your sword back into its place. For all who take the sword
will perish by the sword.o (Matthew 26:52, ESV)

Jesus rebukes vigilante violence in defense of Himself. He does not
overturn GodAs ordained role of civil authority.

I never said he did.

Romans 13 establishes God-ordained government authority, including
lethal force:

oFor he is GodAs servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be
afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain.o (Romans 13:4,
ESV)

Notice, he didn't say that his followers should be those who bear the
sword. You have to go by ALL the Bible. Mt 26:52 said HIS followers
would NOT bear the sword.

The sword represents lawful authority to punish evil. God authorizes it. >Jesus does not contradict His own Word.

He didn't. He just said his followers would not use it. Read the
Scriptures again. It's quite clear what he said.

John the Baptist does not condemn soldiers for their profession or for >killing:

He also didn't say you shouldn't worship false gods. He didn't say a
million things. You need to go by what he DID say.

oAnd soldiers also asked him, aAnd we, what shall we do?A And he
said to them, aDo not extort money from anyone by threats or by
false accusation, and be content with your wages.Ao (Luke 3:14,
ESV)

Yes, they were to do just that. God at time uses godless people to
carry out his will. Like the Babylonians punishing the Israelites and
taking them captive.

You need to look at ALL the Scriptures pertaining to a subject to get
the real doctrine. Until you do that, you can be getting mislead.

Are we to understand that John would put "murder" as a lesser offense to >repent of than extortion and contentment? That's the stupid lie
"Jehovah's Witnesses" have to float to pretend like not mentioning
murder here would be the same as not mentioning eating pizza or
something else.

John didn't mention murder. Go by what he DID say, not what he didn't
say. Otherwise you will confuse yourself like here.

Jesus affirms just authority even under pagan rule:

oRender to Caesar the things that are CaesarAs, and to God the
things that are GodAs.o (Matthew 22:21, ESV)

Correct. And Paul added more detail at Ro 13:1-4 and Titus 3:1.

Submission to lawful authority includes civil obligations, not anarchy
or pacifism.

Try to go by what's written, and you won't be so confused. For example
here, pay back what is Caesars, but don't use the sword. Obviously
there would be exceptions. If Caesar said Christian's are not preach
about Jesus, what do you think they should do? The Bible is clear: Ac
5:29,

"Peter and the other apostles replied: "We must obey God rather than
men!" (NIV)

Obviously, obedience to Caesar is not 100%. Think about related
Scriptures when discussing a Scriptural doctrine.

John 13:35 defines love inside the church, not foreign policy.

oBy this all people will know that you are my disciples, if you
have love for one another.o (John 13:35, ESV)

Yes, an exellent directive by Jesus. During wars, Christians are
killing Christians. A soldier doesn't ask first what religion the
enemy is. They just shoot first.

Jesus speaks of covenant love among believers, not the abolition of
justice or defense against evil.

That is so true. And actually, Jesus said to LOVE your enemy, and pray
for him.

Matthew 5:44 governs personal retaliation, not public justice:

oLove your enemies and pray for those who persecute you.o
(Matthew 5:44, ESV)

You see, you are adding words to Jesus' saying. Jesus didn't say only
to fellow Christians. "Love your enemy" goes for all occations. You
are getting confused by adding your own personal opinions. Let the
Bible speak for itself.

Personal love and prayer never cancel GodAs justice executed through
lawful authority.

God's will is always accomplished:

-- New King James
Isaiah 55:11 So shall My word be that goes forth from My mouth; it
shall not return to Me void, but it shall accomplish what I please,
and it shall prosper in the thing for which I sent it.

God Himself wages righteous war:

oThe Lord is a warrior; the Lord is his name.o (Exodus 15:3, ESV)

Another translation error. Here is a more accurate one:

-- American Standard
Exodus 15:3 Jehovah is a man of war: Jehovah is his name.

Your version tells a flat out lie. "Lord" is not a name, but a title.
Try to list true Scriptures, and it should help you.

If all killing were immoral, God would contradict His own nature and acts.

Negatrons. God is a judge, and can render capitol punishments when He
sees fit. God never contradicts His own declarations. If you are
confused, research what it says and look up related Scriptures.

Jesus will execute final judgment violently:

oFrom his mouth comes a sharp sword with which to strike down the
nations.o (Revelation 19:15, ESV)

So true. So make sure you are not a direct part of those "nations"
when they go down. Or you go down to.

The same Christ who commands love will personally destroy His enemies at
His return.

He has been given the right to judge. Not you nor I. So Jesus will
handle things in a true manner and as he seems fit.

The real contradiction is not Scripture but selective reading.
"Jehovah's Witness" liars try to isolate JesusA words from the rest of >Scripture,

For comments on them, see above again.

deny GodAs instituted authority,

"The Witnesses faithfully obey the injunction of Romans 13:1,a2: oLet
every soul be in subjection to the superior authorities [governmental
rulers], for there is no authority except by God; the existing
authorities stand placed in their relative positions by God. Therefore
he who opposes the authority has taken a stand against the arrangement
of God; those who have taken a stand against it will receive judgment
to themselves.o"
(2003 Watchtower, 6/1, p.14)

and confuse personal ethics
with civil justice. Scripture stays consistent. Their arguments are
exposed and collapse as stupid lies.

Thw Watchtower quoted above shows where the truth is really at.

Stay warm,

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Thu, 05 Feb 2026 11:15:46 -0500
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Watchtower Heretic James <James> wrote: ========================================

On Wed, 4 Feb 2026 16:37:33 -0600, Christ Rose
<usenet@christrose.news> wrote:

Matthew 26:52 does not forbid military service:

rCLPut your sword back into its place. For all who take the sword
will perish by the sword.rCY (Matthew 26:52, ESV)

Jesus rebukes vigilante violence in defense of Himself. He does not
overturn GodrCOs ordained role of civil authority.

I never said he did.

That is the direct implication of your false doctrine. Stop promoting
the lie that it's evil to be or exercise God's ordained civil authority against evildoers, as specified in Romans 13. Jesus and John interacted
with soldiers without accusing them of murder, including those were also believers (e.g. the Centurion who had great faith and was not rebuked
for being a military leader, etc.).
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raised Him from the dead?

That Christ died for our sins shows we're sinners who deserve the death penalty. That God raised Him from the dead shows Christ's death
satisfied God's righteous demands against our sin (Romans 3:25; 1 John
2:1-2). This means God can now remain just, while forgiving you of your
sins, and saving you from eternal damnation.

On the basis of Christ's death and resurrection for our sins, call on
the name of the Lord to save you: "For 'everyone who calls on the name
of the Lord will be saved'" (Romans 10:13, ESV).

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Thu, 05 Feb 2026 11:15:46 -0500
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Watchtower Heretic James <James> wrote: ========================================

Romans 13 establishes God-ordained government authority, including
lethal force:

rCLFor he is GodrCOs servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be
afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain.rCY (Romans 13:4,
ESV)

Notice, he didn't say that his followers should be those who bear the
sword. You have to go by ALL the Bible. Mt 26:52 said HIS followers
would NOT bear the sword.

It is you and your false doctrine which constantly tries to go by a
verse snippet here or there (often just from the Old Testament), yet
which proposes interpretations of them which flatly contradict, rather
than harmonize with other Scriptures (especially New Testament
revelation in the epistles). This is almost all you do in here, you
stupid hypocrite liar.
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Have you heard the good news Christ died for our sins (rCa), and God
raised Him from the dead?

That Christ died for our sins shows we're sinners who deserve the death penalty. That God raised Him from the dead shows Christ's death
satisfied God's righteous demands against our sin (Romans 3:25; 1 John
2:1-2). This means God can now remain just, while forgiving you of your
sins, and saving you from eternal damnation.

On the basis of Christ's death and resurrection for our sins, call on
the name of the Lord to save you: "For 'everyone who calls on the name
of the Lord will be saved'" (Romans 10:13, ESV).

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Watchtower Heretic James <James> wrote: ========================================

Romans 13 establishes God-ordained government authority, including
lethal force:

rCLFor he is GodrCOs servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be
afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain.rCY (Romans 13:4,
ESV)

Notice, he didn't say that his followers should be those who bear the
sword.

You're not even commenting on Romans 13. You're ignoring what you just
saw Paul state, and trying to impose a contradictory interpretation
based on a strained, free-lance claim you're making about the gospels.

Paul did not say here that Jesus' followers should not be those who bear
the sword. What Paul condemns here is believers taking vengeance on
others over personal grievances. That's the same as what Jesus was
telling Peter in the garden (harmony). Neither Paul nor Jesus condemned joining the military, or becoming a police officer or other governing authority. They condemned vigilante revenge over personal grievances.


You have to go by ALL the Bible.


You just refused to acknowledge what Paul said. You're turning form it.
It is you who doesn't want to go by all the Bible, especially how the
apostles interpreted and applied the gospels to the church. You're not
an apostle. You were not given special revelation from Christ to
interpret the gospels, as they were (John 14-16). Your free-lance interpretations of the gospel do not override how Paul interpreted them
in the epistles and applied them to the church.

You consistently try to impose free-lance interpretations on snippets
from the gospels, while ignoring the inspired commentary the apostles
gave on those subjects in the epistles. You couldn't be a bigger, more self-evident hypocrite. It is consistently your views which deny, hide
from, and flatly contradict what "all" the Bible says about the subject.

Mt 26:52 said HIS followers would NOT bear the sword.

idem. What Jesus condemned here is those who take up the sword to
execute vigilante justice over personal grievances. Those are the kind
of people who die by the sword, not those who execute God's wrath
against evil-doers as governing authorities. That's the same thing Paul
said. Neither of them condemned soldiers as being evil-doers. Paul
commended such authorities as doing the will of God (Romans 13).

Jesus' own words from "all" the Scripture confirm you ignore context to promote twisted lies:

rCLHe said to them, rCLBut now let the one who has a moneybag take
it, and likewise a knapsack. And let the one who has no sword
sell his cloak and buy one.rCY (Luke 22:36, ESV

Notice, He instructed them to buy a sword. In contrast to when He sent
them to offer the kingdom to Israel (which they rejected), Jesus "now"
told the apostles to buy a sword as He began heading to the crucifixion.
He commended soldiers as examples of great faith, which they would not
be if He considered believing soldiers like the Centurion to be living
in sin:

rCLBut the centurion replied, rCLLord, I am not worthy to have you
come under my roof, but only say the word, and my servant will
be healed. For I too am a man under authority, with soldiers
under me. And I say to one, rCyGo,rCO and he goes, and to another,
rCyCome,rCO and he comes, and to my servant, rCyDo this,rCO and he does
it.rCY When Jesus heard this, he marveled and said to those who
followed him, rCLTruly, I tell you, with no one in Israel have I
found such faith.rCY (Matthew 8:8rCo10, ESV)

There is no condemnation there for this man being a centurion. Jesus
would not have set him forth as an example of faith if He thought He was
a murderer who was sinning by continuing to serve in the military.

Paul said governing authorities execute God's wrath against evil-doers
(Romans 13). Nothing in the Bible forbids or condemns a believer from
being a soldier. It condemns vigilante justice that denies God's
governing agents of wrath. You take a single verse here or there,
interpret it in a way which flatly contradicts other clear Bible
teaching, then try to make entire theologies out of them.
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Have you heard the good news Christ died for our sins (rCa), and God
raised Him from the dead?

That Christ died for our sins shows we're sinners who deserve the death penalty. That God raised Him from the dead shows Christ's death
satisfied God's righteous demands against our sin (Romans 3:25; 1 John
2:1-2). This means God can now remain just, while forgiving you of your
sins, and saving you from eternal damnation.

On the basis of Christ's death and resurrection for our sins, call on
the name of the Lord to save you: "For 'everyone who calls on the name
of the Lord will be saved'" (Romans 10:13, ESV).

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On Thu, 5 Feb 2026 12:06:09 -0600, Christ Rose
<usenet@christrose.news> wrote:

========================================
Thu, 05 Feb 2026 11:15:46 -0500
<o689ok9meis7u7puhdnelllafbdpqlfocl@4ax.com>
Watchtower Heretic James <James> wrote: >========================================

On Wed, 4 Feb 2026 16:37:33 -0600, Christ Rose
<usenet@christrose.news> wrote:

Matthew 26:52 does not forbid military service:

oPut your sword back into its place. For all who take the sword
will perish by the sword.o (Matthew 26:52, ESV)

Jesus rebukes vigilante violence in defense of Himself. He does not
overturn GodAs ordained role of civil authority.

I never said he did.

That is the direct implication of your false doctrine. Stop promoting
the lie that it's evil to be or exercise God's ordained civil authority >against evildoers, as specified in Romans 13. Jesus and John interacted
with soldiers without accusing them of murder, including those were also >believers (e.g. the Centurion who had great faith and was not rebuked
for being a military leader, etc.).

Try going by all the Bible. Yes, Christians are supposed to obey the governments as long as they don't contradict the Bible.

I gave you an example before. Another is that in the past preaching
door to door was banned in Russia. That was a government order. Did
JW's go by Romans 13:1? This is where the government went too far and contradicted Mt 24:14 and other Scriptures. (like Mt 28:19,20)

JW's continued to preach in private. Yes, some were caught and were
jailed. But the JW's courageously still preached, but in secret. They
followed Acts 5:29,

-- American Standard
Acts 5:29 But Peter and the apostles answered and said, We must obey
God rather than men.

Now you have more than one Scripture to think about on the subject of
Rom 13:1. (and Titus 3:1) Remember all Scripture is inspired of God.
(2 Tim 3:16)

Stay warm on these cold days.

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On Thu, 5 Feb 2026 12:07:36 -0600, Christ Rose
<usenet@christrose.news> wrote:

========================================
Thu, 05 Feb 2026 11:15:46 -0500
<o689ok9meis7u7puhdnelllafbdpqlfocl@4ax.com>
Watchtower Heretic James <James> wrote: >========================================

Romans 13 establishes God-ordained government authority, including
lethal force:

oFor he is GodAs servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be
afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain.o (Romans 13:4,
ESV)

Notice, he didn't say that his followers should be those who bear the
sword. You have to go by ALL the Bible. Mt 26:52 said HIS followers
would NOT bear the sword.

It is you and your false doctrine which constantly tries to go by a
verse snippet here or there (often just from the Old Testament), yet
which proposes interpretations of them which flatly contradict, rather
than harmonize with other Scriptures (especially New Testament
revelation in the epistles). This is almost all you do in here, you
stupid hypocrite liar.

Feel better now? At any rate, keep warm.

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Doomsday Clock Moves Closer to Midnight
Learn More". See jw.org (2/5/2026)
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