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On Mon, 2 Feb 2026 13:26:20 -0600, Christ Rose
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Matthew 5:22
oWhoever says, aYou fool!A will be liable to the fire of *hell
[Gehenna]*.o (5:22, ESV)
Gehenna is not "hell". Hell is the common grave of mankind. The Greek
word for it is Hades, not Gehenna.
Gehenna was Jerusalem's garbage dump, here fires were continuous
there. Thus it represented eternal destruction, just like the Lake of
Fire does. No one gets out of there. But there is a resurrection from
"hell".
- King James
Revelation 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and
death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were
judged every man according to their works.
-- New King James
Revelation 20:13 The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death
and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them. And they were
judged, each one according to his works.
Matthew 5:29
oIt is better that you lose one of your members than that your whole
body be thrown into *hell [Gehenna]*.o (5:29, ESV)
Hell: the common grave of all of mankind.
The OT Hebrew word for hell, is "sheol". Jobe wanted to go to hell to
get relief from the pain. Job 14:13,
-- King James
Job 14:13 O that thou wouldest hide me in the grave, [sheol]that thou
wouldest keep me secret, until thy wrath be past, that thou wouldest
appoint me a set time, and remember me! [brackets mine]
DRA
Who will grant me this, that thou mayst protect me in hell [sheol],
and hide me till thy wrath pass, and appoint me a. time when thou wilt
remember me? [brackets mine]
Matthew 5:30
oIt is better that you lose one of your members than that your whole
body go into *hell [Gehenna]*.o (5:30, ESV)
Hell is Hades, not Gehenna. Here is a more accurate one:
-- New American with Apocrypha
Matthew 5:30 And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and
throw it away. It is better for you to lose one of your members than
to have your whole body go into Gehenna.
Matthew 10:28
oFear Him who can destroy both soul and body in *hell [Gehenna]*.o
(10:28, ESV)
Yes, a soul can DIE. Also, Hell is "Hades", not Gehenna.
Matthew 18:9
oTo be thrown into the *hell [Gehenna]* of fire.o (18:9, ESV)
Hell is Hades, not Gehenna.
Matthew 23:33
oHow are you to escape being sentenced to *hell [Gehenna]*?o (23:33, ESV)
Hell is Hades, not Gehenna.
Mark 9:43
oTo go to *hell [Gehenna]*, to the unquenchable fire.o (9:43, ESV)
Hell is Hades, not Gehenna.
Mark 9:45
oTo be thrown into *hell [Gehenna]*.o (9:45, ESV)
Hell is Hades, not Gehenna.
Mark 9:47u48
oTo be thrown into *hell [Gehenna]*, awhere their worm does not die and
the fire is not quenched.Ao (9:47u48, ESV)
Hell is Hades, not Gehenna.
Luke 12:5
oFear Him who, after He has killed, has authority to cast into *hell >[Gehenna]*.o (12:5, ESV)
Hell is Hades, not Gehenna.
James 3:6
oSet on fire by *hell [Gehenna]*.o (3:6, ESV)
FIRE + CONSCIOUS TORMENT
Oh really. Notice what is tossed into the Lake of FIRE:
-- King James
Revelation 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire.
This is the second death.
So fire can burn death. Is death conscious?
Can fire burn hell? Is hell conscious? That PROVES the fire is not
literal.
Hell is Hades, not Gehenna.
Gehenna's fire is Jerusalem's garbage dump
Matthew 13:42
oAnd throw them into the fiery furnace. In that place there will be
weeping and gnashing of teeth.o (13:42, ESV)
Yes, right before they are tossed into that symbolic fire, there will
be weeping etc.
Matthew 13:50
oAnd throw them into the fiery furnace. In that place there will be
weeping and gnashing of teeth.o (13:50, ESV)
Yes, right before they are tossed into that symbolic fire, there will
be weeping etc.
Matthew 25:30
oThrow the worthless servant into the outer darkness. In that place
there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.o (25:30, ESV)
Yes, non-life is DARKNESS. Not super bright with literal fire flames.
Matthew 25:41
oDepart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the
devil and his angels.o (25:41, ESV)
ETERNAL DURATION (NOT EXTINCTION)
We have already seen in Daniel, those 3 Hebrews tossed into a literal
roaring fire. But there was an angel in there to rescue them. Literal
fire DOES NOT harm angels.
Matthew 25:46
oThese will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into
eternal life.o (25:46, ESV)
Eternal punishment= Eternal non-existence.
2 Thessalonians 1:9
oThey will suffer the punishment of eternal destruction, away from the >presence of the Lord.o (1:9, ESV)
Note, DESTRUCTION, not consciousness.
oDestructiono here describes ruin and exclusion, not cessation, since it
is eternal and experienced oaway fromo someone.
So "death" and "hell" are conscience? (Rev 20:14)
REVELATIONAS EXPLICIT INTERPRETATION
Revelation 14:11
oThe smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever, and they have no
rest, day or night.o (14:11, ESV)
Let's include verse 9 to help with context:
"And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any
man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his
forehead, or in his hand," (KJV)
You are in the highly symbolic book of Revelation. Even the verses you
quoted above show the highly symbolic nature of those verses.
Do you believe in these verses (including vs 9) the beast, his image,
the mark on forehead and mark on hand and the wine and the cup and the
Lamb are literal things? If you make the fire and brimstone literal,
then you must make those other things literal. If you say those other
things are not literal, then why do you insist that the fire and
brimstone are also literal? Again see Re 20:14, 15 which shows the
fire and brimstone are not literal, but symbolic.
Revelation 20:10
oThey will be tormented day and night forever and ever.o (20:10, ESV)
How does one torture "death"?
How does one torture hell (Hades)?
Revelation 20:15
oIf anyoneAs name was not found written in the book of life, he was
thrown into the lake of fire.o (20:15, ESV)
If what you claim is true, they would all be written in the book of
LIFE. Because they are still alive. In the Bible is opposite of life,
is not a life of torture, but of death.
Revelation 21:8
oTheir portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur,
which is the second death.o (21:8, ESV)
There you have it. The Lake of Fire represent the second DEATH, not a
second life of torture.
LIES REFUTED DIRECTLY FROM SCRIPTURE
Actually the lies come from the translators who say "hell" is Gehenna.
Hell is Hades in the NT.
1. oFire means total destructiono
Refuted by weeping, gnashing, torment, no rest, day and night.
That's right, since they don't exist anymore, then they can't rest or
do anything else. And it torments them knowing where they are going.
That's what happened when Jesus confronted the demons. And they asked
if he was going to DESTROY them before their time:
-- New King James
Mark 1:24 saying, "Let us alone! What have we to do with You, Jesus
of Nazareth? Did You come to destroy us? I know who You are the Holy
One of God!''
2. oLake of fire is symbolic, so punishment isnAt realo
Symbols communicate truth consistent with their imagery, not the
opposite. Revelation explicitly defines the experience as torment forever.
Then you run into problems with Rev 20:14.
"KEEP ON THE WATCH!
Doomsday Clock Moves Closer to Midnight
Learn More". See jw.org (2/5/2026)
James:
zebrabible@proton.me
3. oDeath removes sin automaticallyo
Romans 6:7 speaks of union with ChristAs death, not physical death.
Hebrews 9:27: oIt is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes >judgment.o (9:27, ESV)
4. oResurrected unbelievers are sinlesso
John 5:29: oThose who have done evil to the resurrection of judgment.o >(5:29, ESV)
5. oGod would never punish eternallyo
Jesus says eternal fire was prepared by God Himself (Matthew 25:41, ESV).
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