On Sun, 25 Jan 2026 21:51:37 -0500, James in alt.atheism
Many churches teach that all righteous people will go to Heaven. And
they teach that all wicked people will go to hellfire. Who does that
leave left on the earth? Zero.
So many addressable items:
What churches teach is irrelevant since none of it is based
on unambiguous, unrelated, verifiable and credible evidence.
I have yet to see any evidence that any heaven exists.
I have yet to see any evidence that any hellfire exists.
Who defines what is "wicked"?
I have yet to see any valid evidence supporting the
existence of any god.
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote:
On Sun, 25 Jan 2026 21:51:37 -0500, James in alt.atheism
snip
Many churches teach that all righteous people will go to Heaven. And
they teach that all wicked people will go to hellfire. Who does that
leave left on the earth? Zero.
So many addressable items:
What churches teach is irrelevant since none of it is based
on unambiguous, unrelated, verifiable and credible evidence.
I have yet to see any evidence that any heaven exists.
I have yet to see any evidence that any hellfire exists.
Who defines what is "wicked"?
You missed his point. James is speaking scornfully of the churches, as
JWs often do. Why are you asking him to defend their "teachings"?
I have yet to see any valid evidence supporting the
existence of any god.
Valid point, but you've way overdone it. Anything new?
Why not just simply say that the Universe has always existed?
It is something our minds cannot comprehend. God ALWAYS existed.
Dawn--- Synchronet 3.21b-Linux NewsLink 1.2
On Sun, 25 Jan 2026 21:51:37 -0500, James in alt.atheism
with message-id <umkdnkhv36ubqtrqbg7jv57595g77e5h0m@4ax.com>
wrote:
It is something our minds cannot comprehend. God ALWAYS existed.
God can always exist but nothing else. Right.
BTW, Which god?
Planet Earth: Designed to be inhabited.
Or life developed in line with the physical conditions.
Many churches teach that all righteous people will go to Heaven. And
they teach that all wicked people will go to hellfire. Who does that
leave left on the earth? Zero.
So many addressable items:
What churches teach is irrelevant since none of it is based
on unambiguous, unrelated, verifiable and credible evidence.
I have yet to see any evidence that any heaven exists.
I have yet to see any evidence that any hellfire exists.
Who defines what is "wicked"?
But that can't be, since a true reference source says:
What is a "true reference source"? Where can I find one?
-- American Standard
Reference to unverified source removed.
So what are some of those designs?
Irrelevant since the source is unverified.
Well, for one thing we find the earth in what scientists call a
Goldilocks zone. That is where the earth is not too close to the sun
to fry and boil water (like Mercury), or too far away from the sun to >>constantly freeze land and water. (like Jupiter's moon Europa)
So what?
Earth's atmosphere consists of mainly nitrogen (78%) and oxygen (21%).
We all know what oxygen is good for. (take a deep breath) And guess
who loves the Nitrogen? Yes plants. Most every life form on earth
exists because of those elements. (some microbes are the exception)
So what?
Earth's gravity is just right for living organisms. But for instance,
a 100 lb person 'standing' on cloud tops of Jupiter would weigh 250
lbs. (Diet programs would be a big hit on Jupiter)
So what?
The air pressure would crush a person like a smashed pancake. Even if
a person could walk on the surface (it's made of gas) you would likely
end up no more 3 dimentional, but only 2 dimentional. (length and
width)
So what?
But nothing like that for the earth. God put life here, and made the >>environment to support it.
I have yet to see any valid evidence supporting the
existence of any god.
Scientists are now considering evidence that the early earth at one
point could have been mostly water, which is in harmony with the
Genesis account. (Ge 1:2)
Irrelevant. That source is unverified.
For example, this article appeared in the New Scientist magazine, Jan
3, 2009. The first few paragraphs state:
"Ancient Earth was a barren waterworld".
And today that same claim is made. >>https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2021/04/harvard-scientists-determine-early-earth-may-have-been-a-water-world/
Too bad no one has explained what happened to all of that
water.
Well, if God created the earth
Unsupported assumption.
to be inhabited, will there be any
people on it contrary to churches doctrines? Yes. Hear what Jesus
said:
Quotes from and references to unverified source removed.
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote:
On Mon, 26 Jan 2026 21:57:35 -0800, Samuel Spade
<sam@spade.invalid> in alt.atheism with message-id
<sakgnkpp1mcs5rbpha9k84tkibppfig1tk@4ax.com> wrote:
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote:
On Sun, 25 Jan 2026 21:51:37 -0500, James in alt.atheism
snip
Many churches teach that all righteous people will go to Heaven. And
they teach that all wicked people will go to hellfire. Who does that
leave left on the earth? Zero.
So many addressable items:
What churches teach is irrelevant since none of it is based
on unambiguous, unrelated, verifiable and credible evidence.
I have yet to see any evidence that any heaven exists.
I have yet to see any evidence that any hellfire exists.
Who defines what is "wicked"?
You missed his point. James is speaking scornfully of the churches, as
JWs often do. Why are you asking him to defend their "teachings"?
Why not? Does he have any supporting evidence?
You're asking James for supporting evidence that churches are wrong?
You seem confused.
I have yet to see any valid evidence supporting the
existence of any god.
Valid point, but you've way overdone it. Anything new?
I keep asking but no one ever answers. I see a lot of
avoidance and conversation endings.
Then just keep repeating it. That always helps.
--
I try to always challenge beliefs presented as fact. A
person is entitled to their own personal beliefs. They are
not entitled to their own personal facts.
On Mon, 26 Jan 2026 06:17:13 -0500, Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote:
On Sun, 25 Jan 2026 21:51:37 -0500, James in alt.atheism
with message-id <umkdnkhv36ubqtrqbg7jv57595g77e5h0m@4ax.com>
wrote:
It is something our minds cannot comprehend. God ALWAYS existed.
God can always exist but nothing else. Right.
If that's the way He wants it, yes.
BTW, Which god?
The Creator, Jehovah. (Ps 83:18; KJV)
Planet Earth: Designed to be inhabited.
Or life developed in line with the physical conditions.
Then why hasn't it developed life on the "physical conditions" present
on other planets and moons?
It went nuts here, with scientists now saying a trillion species. But
not even ONE species yet found anywhere else we explored. That can
raise a few eyebrows. >(https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/1-trillion-species-3-billion-years-ai-helped-trace-bacteria-evolution-on-earth-8083688)
Many churches teach that all righteous people will go to Heaven. And
they teach that all wicked people will go to hellfire. Who does that >>>leave left on the earth? Zero.
So many addressable items:
What churches teach is irrelevant since none of it is based
on unambiguous, unrelated, verifiable and credible evidence.
I tend to agree. They teach more falsehoods that 'truthoods'.
I have yet to see any evidence that any heaven exists.
I have yet to see any evidence of what came BEFORE the Big Bang.
I have yet to see any evidence that any hellfire exists.
There isn't any. Hellfire is a church farce. God no more tortures His >children, than you and I do.
Who defines what is "wicked"?
From your point of view something that is not concrete, yet nudges us
in the way of right and wrong. Your CONSCIENCE.
Why would evolution care about a conscience? But it allegedly put it
there. Why? It doesn't care if you murder your neighbor or not, since >evolution has no brain, nor eyes, nor ears, etc.
From my point of view, God determines what is wicked.
But that can't be, since a true reference source says:
What is a "true reference source"? Where can I find one?
Just find a Bible and open it up. (John 17:17)
-- American Standard
Reference to unverified source removed.
Based on your opinion. We all have opinions. That proves nothing.
So what are some of those designs?
Irrelevant since the source is unverified.
All right here is just one Biblical example. Combine these two verses
and see what you get:
-- New King James
Isaiah 40:22 It is He who sits above the circle of the earth, and its >inhabitants are like grasshoppers, Who stretches out the heavens like
a curtain, and spreads them out like a tent to dwell in.
The Hebrew word for "circle" there is "hhug". And One reference states
that it can mean "sphere".
-- New King James
Job 26:7 He stretches out the north over empty space; he hangs the
earth on nothing.
So combining those two verses we get a spherical or circular earth
floating in space. Ring a bell?
Well, for one thing we find the earth in what scientists call a >>>Goldilocks zone. That is where the earth is not too close to the sun
to fry and boil water (like Mercury), or too far away from the sun to >>>constantly freeze land and water. (like Jupiter's moon Europa)
So what?
If you lived on Mercury, your blood would probably boil daytime, since
it gets around 800 F. >(https://www.bing.com/search?q=temp+on+mercury+fahrenheit&cvid=22f1a2cccdeb44368ad5007e70db4d6e&gs_lcrp=EgRlZGdlKgkIABBFGDsY-QcyCQgAEEUYOxj5BzIGCAEQRRg5MgYIAhAAGEAyBggDEAAYQDIGCAQQABhAMgYIBRAAGEAyBggGEAAYQNIBCDgxMDhqMGo0qAIAsAIA&FORM=ANAB01&PC=EDGEDB)
If you lived on Neptune, you blood would probably freeze solid, since
it gets down to -353 F. >(https://www.bing.com/search?qs=LS&pq=neptune+temp&sk=CSYN1&sc=12-12&q=neptune+temperature&cvid=6e8432ccd5c741a2aefd7a8db1645b6d&gs_lcrp=EgRlZGdlKgcIABAAGPkHMgcIABAAGPkHMgYIARBFGDkyBggCEAAYQDIGCAMQABhAMgYIBBAAGEAyBggFEAAYQDIGCAYQABhAMgYIBxAAGEAyBggIEAAYQNIBCDU2MDhqMGo5qAIAsAIA&FORM=ANAB01&PC=EDGEDB)
Why didn't the earth get such temperatures? The MAIN reason is because
God PREPARED the earth for habitation. We don't see that happening on
other planets and moons we have visited.
But we even have extremophiles here on earth in harsh environments.
Since alleged evolution was so prolific here, you would think on those
other planets and moons that we would at find extremophiles. The count
so far is: zero.
Earth's atmosphere consists of mainly nitrogen (78%) and oxygen (21%).
We all know what oxygen is good for. (take a deep breath) And guess
who loves the Nitrogen? Yes plants. Most every life form on earth
exists because of those elements. (some microbes are the exception)
So what?
It shows how the earth was prepared to harbor life. We all take oxygen
for granted. But just try breathing without it.
Earth's gravity is just right for living organisms. But for instance,
a 100 lb person 'standing' on cloud tops of Jupiter would weigh 250
lbs. (Diet programs would be a big hit on Jupiter)
So what?
That shows loving concern for how well we can locomotion.
The air pressure would crush a person like a smashed pancake. Even if
a person could walk on the surface (it's made of gas) you would likely >>>end up no more 3 dimentional, but only 2 dimentional. (length and
width)
So what?
Shows how air pressure is moderated here.
But nothing like that for the earth. God put life here, and made the >>>environment to support it.
I have yet to see any valid evidence supporting the
existence of any god.
Just look in a mirror. You are more sophisticated than any humanoid
robot. Yet you don't for a second think the robot was formed over
millions of years by evolution. Yet you are greater, but think it all >happened by brainless forces.
Scientists are now considering evidence that the early earth at one
point could have been mostly water, which is in harmony with the
Genesis account. (Ge 1:2)
Irrelevant. That source is unverified.
See below.
For example, this article appeared in the New Scientist magazine, Jan
3, 2009. The first few paragraphs state:
"Ancient Earth was a barren waterworld".
And today that same claim is made. >>>https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2021/04/harvard-scientists-determine-early-earth-may-have-been-a-water-world/
Too bad no one has explained what happened to all of that
water.
You've got to be kidding. Just look around. We have great oceans and
rivers and lakes etc. That water is still here.
Well, if God created the earth
Unsupported assumption.
to be inhabited, will there be any
people on it contrary to churches doctrines? Yes. Hear what Jesus
said:
Quotes from and references to unverified source removed.
I say the same thing about your brainless, mindless, blind, deaf, no >feelings, force of evolution. The Bible makes more sense than
evolution ever did. (did you know Darwin believed in God?)
"What the Universe Tells Us About a Creator
The universe and the earth seem to be designed to make life possible.
Could they be that way because they were designed?". See jw.org
(1/27/2026)
James: zebrabible@proton.me
On Mon, 26 Jan 2026 06:17:13 -0500, Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote:
All right here is just one Biblical example. Combine these two verses
and see what you get:
-- New King James
Isaiah 40:22 It is He who sits above the circle of the earth, and its inhabitants are like grasshoppers, Who stretches out the heavens like
a curtain, and spreads them out like a tent to dwell in.
The Hebrew word for "circle" there is "hhug". And One reference states
that it can mean "sphere".
-- New King James
Job 26:7 He stretches out the north over empty space; he hangs the
earth on nothing.
So combining those two verses we get a spherical or circular earth
floating in space.
Planet Earth: Designed to be inhabited.
Many churches teach that all righteous people will go to Heaven. And--- Synchronet 3.21b-Linux NewsLink 1.2
they teach that all wicked people will go to hellfire. Who does that
leave left on the earth? Zero.
But that can't be, since a true reference source says:
-- American Standard
Isaiah 45:18 For thus saith Jehovah that created the heavens, the God
that formed the earth and made it, that established it and created it
not a waste, that formed it to be inhabited: I am Jehovah; and there
is none else.
So what are some of those designs?
Well, for one thing we find the earth in what scientists call a
Goldilocks zone. That is where the earth is not too close to the sun
to fry and boil water (like Mercury), or too far away from the sun to constantly freeze land and water. (like Jupiter's moon Europa)
Earth's atmosphere consists of mainly nitrogen (78%) and oxygen (21%).
We all know what oxygen is good for. (take a deep breath) And guess
who loves the Nitrogen? Yes plants. Most every life form on earth
exists because of those elements. (some microbes are the exception)
Earth's gravity is just right for living organisms. But for instance,
a 100 lb person 'standing' on cloud tops of Jupiter would weigh 250
lbs. (Diet programs would be a big hit on Jupiter)
The air pressure would crush a person like a smashed pancake. Even if
a person could walk on the surface (it's made of gas) you would likely
end up no more 3 dimentional, but only 2 dimentional. (length and
width)
But nothing like that for the earth. God put life here, and made the environment to support it.
Scientists are now considering evidence that the early earth at one
point could have been mostly water, which is in harmony with the
Genesis account. (Ge 1:2)
For example, this article appeared in the New Scientist magazine, Jan
3, 2009. The first few paragraphs state:
"Ancient Earth was a barren waterworld".
And today that same claim is made. https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2021/04/harvard-scientists-determine-early-earth-may-have-been-a-water-world/
Well, if God created the earth to be inhabited, will there be any
people on it contrary to churches doctrines? Yes. Hear what Jesus
said:
On Tue, 27 Jan 2026 10:25:40 -0800, Samuel Spade
<sam@spade.invalid> in alt.atheism with message-id <fb0inklcr90ccog2rs7cfco3fpr2asoo4d@4ax.com> wrote:
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote:
On Mon, 26 Jan 2026 21:57:35 -0800, Samuel Spade
<sam@spade.invalid> in alt.atheism with message-id
<sakgnkpp1mcs5rbpha9k84tkibppfig1tk@4ax.com> wrote:
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote:
On Sun, 25 Jan 2026 21:51:37 -0500, James in alt.atheism
snip
Many churches teach that all righteous people will go to Heaven. And >> >> >they teach that all wicked people will go to hellfire. Who does that >> >> >leave left on the earth? Zero.
So many addressable items:
What churches teach is irrelevant since none of it is based
on unambiguous, unrelated, verifiable and credible evidence.
I have yet to see any evidence that any heaven exists.
I have yet to see any evidence that any hellfire exists.
Who defines what is "wicked"?
You missed his point. James is speaking scornfully of the churches, as >> >JWs often do. Why are you asking him to defend their "teachings"?
Why not? Does he have any supporting evidence?
You're asking James for supporting evidence that churches are wrong?
You seem confused.
I misread the sentence structure. He is usually supporting
some silly superstition if I remember correctly.
I have yet to see any valid evidence supporting the
existence of any god.
Valid point, but you've way overdone it. Anything new?
I keep asking but no one ever answers. I see a lot of
avoidance and conversation endings.
Then just keep repeating it. That always helps.
I do every time I see someone presenting belief as fact.
--- Synchronet 3.21b-Linux NewsLink 1.2I try to always challenge beliefs presented as fact. A
person is entitled to their own personal beliefs. They are
not entitled to their own personal facts.
It is something our minds cannot comprehend. God ALWAYS existed.
Why not just simply say that the Universe has always existed?
Dawn
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote:
On Tue, 27 Jan 2026 10:25:40 -0800, Samuel Spade
<sam@spade.invalid> in alt.atheism with message-id
<fb0inklcr90ccog2rs7cfco3fpr2asoo4d@4ax.com> wrote:
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote:
On Mon, 26 Jan 2026 21:57:35 -0800, Samuel Spade
<sam@spade.invalid> in alt.atheism with message-id
<sakgnkpp1mcs5rbpha9k84tkibppfig1tk@4ax.com> wrote:
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote:
On Sun, 25 Jan 2026 21:51:37 -0500, James in alt.atheism
snip
Many churches teach that all righteous people will go to Heaven. And >> >> >> >they teach that all wicked people will go to hellfire. Who does that >> >> >> >leave left on the earth? Zero.
So many addressable items:
What churches teach is irrelevant since none of it is based
on unambiguous, unrelated, verifiable and credible evidence.
I have yet to see any evidence that any heaven exists.
I have yet to see any evidence that any hellfire exists.
Who defines what is "wicked"?
You missed his point. James is speaking scornfully of the churches, as >> >> >JWs often do. Why are you asking him to defend their "teachings"?
Why not? Does he have any supporting evidence?
You're asking James for supporting evidence that churches are wrong?
You seem confused.
I misread the sentence structure. He is usually supporting
some silly superstition if I remember correctly.
Yeah, just a different set of superstitions. Most of the church
christians disown JWs for having the wrong ones.
I have yet to see any valid evidence supporting the
existence of any god.
Valid point, but you've way overdone it. Anything new?
I keep asking but no one ever answers. I see a lot of
avoidance and conversation endings.
Then just keep repeating it. That always helps.
I do every time I see someone presenting belief as fact.
One man's fact is another man's ideological quirk. I mean, you saw in
the video how ICE goons shot a disarmed man in the back, right?
--I try to always challenge beliefs presented as fact. A
person is entitled to their own personal beliefs. They are
not entitled to their own personal facts.
James wrote in news:em3inkp5cclm7hpti9235ov6pigdo9uqj7@4ax.com:
On Mon, 26 Jan 2026 06:17:13 -0500, Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote:
All right here is just one Biblical example. Combine these two verses
and see what you get:
-- New King James
Isaiah 40:22 It is He who sits above the circle of the earth, and its
inhabitants are like grasshoppers, Who stretches out the heavens like
a curtain, and spreads them out like a tent to dwell in.
The Hebrew word for "circle" there is "hhug". And One reference states
that it can mean "sphere".
-- New King James
Job 26:7 He stretches out the north over empty space; he hangs the
earth on nothing.
So combining those two verses we get a spherical or circular earth
floating in space.
The Earth is flat, the Bible says so.
James wrote:
Planet Earth: Designed to be inhabited.
James, your points below are PRATTs that I debunked 2 days ago in
another thread. You chose not to defend them. See
Message-ID: <smvdnkh2pfr3eud2uj52srkejfemsonji5@4ax.com>
Now you repeat, word for word, the same claims. None of them actually >support your thesis that earth alone was designed to be inhabited, and
the other planets were designed to be dead.
On Sun, 25 Jan 2026 21:34:23 -0600, Dawn Flood
<Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com> wrote:
Why not just simply say that the Universe has always existed?
It is something our minds cannot comprehend. God ALWAYS existed.
I can't because the Bible says it had a beginning:
-- King James
Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
And scientists concur that it had a beginning. (Big Bang)
On Wed, 28 Jan 2026 02:29:28 +0000, Mitchell Holman
<noemail@aol.com> in alt.atheism with message-id <XnsB3E1D0D0E3A5D629555@185.151.15.160> wrote:
James wrote in news:em3inkp5cclm7hpti9235ov6pigdo9uqj7@4ax.com:
On Mon, 26 Jan 2026 06:17:13 -0500, Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote:
All right here is just one Biblical example. Combine these two verses
and see what you get:
-- New King James
Isaiah 40:22 It is He who sits above the circle of the earth, and its
inhabitants are like grasshoppers, Who stretches out the heavens like
a curtain, and spreads them out like a tent to dwell in.
The Hebrew word for "circle" there is "hhug". And One reference states
that it can mean "sphere".
-- New King James
Job 26:7 He stretches out the north over empty space; he hangs the
earth on nothing.
So combining those two verses we get a spherical or circular earth
floating in space.
The Earth is flat, the Bible says so.
And bats are birds. Same source.
On 1/28/2026 5:48 AM, Attila wrote:wrote:
On Wed, 28 Jan 2026 02:29:28 +0000, Mitchell Holman
<noemail@aol.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
<XnsB3E1D0D0E3A5D629555@185.151.15.160> wrote:
James wrote in news:em3inkp5cclm7hpti9235ov6pigdo9uqj7@4ax.com:
On Mon, 26 Jan 2026 06:17:13 -0500, Attila <prochoice@here.now>
verses
All right here is just one Biblical example. Combine these two
itsand see what you get:
-- New King James
Isaiah 40:22 It is He who sits above the circle of the earth, and
likeinhabitants are like grasshoppers, Who stretches out the heavens
statesa curtain, and spreads them out like a tent to dwell in.
The Hebrew word for "circle" there is "hhug". And One reference
that it can mean "sphere".
-- New King James
Job 26:7 He stretches out the north over empty space; he hangs the
earth on nothing.
So combining those two verses we get a spherical or circular earth
floating in space.
The Earth is flat, the Bible says so.
And bats are birds. Same source.
I wonder if James ever wakes up some days feeling brainwashed.
Dawn
James wrote:
On Sat, 24 Jan 2026 21:35:53 -0800, Samuel Spade <sam@spade.invalid> wrote:
snip
The research was published on Dec. 15 in the journal Proceedings of the
National Academy of Sciences.
Whew, all of that just to produce some life.
I'm sorry if it was hard for you to follow. Space.com articles are
generally written for people who have some high school biology.
Here is the Bible's
answer:
-- King James
Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
That's no more an answer than to simply say "abiogenesis happened", or
"life evolved".
If you want to be believable, you need to explain step by step how God
did this creating. Simply saying "God went poof! and it was good" is
not any explanation at all.
Subject closed.
"Can We End War and Violent Conflict?
Efforts to stop violent conflicts continue, but can we expect these
efforts to succeed?
Find Out". See jw.org (1/23/2026)
James: zebrabible@proton.me
On Sun, 25 Jan 2026 21:35:08 -0800, Samuel Spade <sam@spade.invalid> wrote:
James wrote:
On Sat, 24 Jan 2026 21:35:53 -0800, Samuel Spade <sam@spade.invalid> wrote:
snip
The research was published on Dec. 15 in the journal Proceedings of the >> >National Academy of Sciences.
Whew, all of that just to produce some life.
I'm sorry if it was hard for you to follow. Space.com articles are >generally written for people who have some high school biology.
Here is the Bible's
answer:
-- King James
Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
That's no more an answer than to simply say "abiogenesis happened", or >"life evolved".
If you want to be believable, you need to explain step by step how God
did this creating. Simply saying "God went poof! and it was good" is
It doesn't get more truthful than Gen 1:1 above.
not any explanation at all.
On 1/28/2026 5:48 AM, Attila wrote:
On Wed, 28 Jan 2026 02:29:28 +0000, Mitchell Holman
<noemail@aol.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
<XnsB3E1D0D0E3A5D629555@185.151.15.160> wrote:
James wrote in news:em3inkp5cclm7hpti9235ov6pigdo9uqj7@4ax.com:
On Mon, 26 Jan 2026 06:17:13 -0500, Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote: >>>>
All right here is just one Biblical example. Combine these two verses
and see what you get:
-- New King James
Isaiah 40:22-a It is He who sits above the circle of the earth, and its >>>> inhabitants are like grasshoppers, Who stretches out the heavens like
a curtain, and spreads them out like a tent to dwell in.
The Hebrew word for "circle" there is "hhug". And One reference states >>>> that it can mean "sphere".
-- New King James
Job 26:7-a He stretches out the north over empty space; he hangs the
earth on nothing.
So combining those two verses we get a spherical or circular earth
floating in space.
The Earth is flat, the Bible says so.
And bats are birds.-a Same source.
I wonder if James ever wakes up some days feeling brainwashed.
Dawn
James wrote:
On Sat, 24 Jan 2026 21:35:53 -0800, Samuel Spade <sam@spade.invalid> wrote:
snip
The research was published on Dec. 15 in the journal Proceedings of the
National Academy of Sciences.
Whew, all of that just to produce some life.
I'm sorry if it was hard for you to follow. Space.com articles are
generally written for people who have some high school biology.
Here is the Bible's
answer:
-- King James
Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
That's no more an answer than to simply say "abiogenesis happened", or
"life evolved".
If you want to be believable, you need to explain step by step how God
did this creating. Simply saying "God went poof! and it was good" is
not any explanation at all.
Dawn Flood <Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com> wrote:
It is something our minds cannot comprehend. God ALWAYS existed.Why not just simply say that the Universe has always existed?
Dawn
If the universe means everything that is, which is the usual case, then
it must include God. So if God is eternal, there must be a Universe of
at least 1 thing, which is also eternal.
See how easy that was?
Dawn Flood wrote:
On 1/28/2026 5:48 AM, Attila wrote:
On Wed, 28 Jan 2026 02:29:28 +0000, Mitchell Holman
<noemail@aol.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
<XnsB3E1D0D0E3A5D629555@185.151.15.160> wrote:
James wrote in news:em3inkp5cclm7hpti9235ov6pigdo9uqj7@4ax.com:
On Mon, 26 Jan 2026 06:17:13 -0500, Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote: >>>>>
All right here is just one Biblical example. Combine these two verses >>>>> and see what you get:
-- New King James
Isaiah 40:22-a It is He who sits above the circle of the earth, and its >>>>> inhabitants are like grasshoppers, Who stretches out the heavens like >>>>> a curtain, and spreads them out like a tent to dwell in.
The Hebrew word for "circle" there is "hhug". And One reference states >>>>> that it can mean "sphere".
-- New King James
Job 26:7-a He stretches out the north over empty space; he hangs the >>>>> earth on nothing.
So combining those two verses we get a spherical or circular earth
floating in space.
The Earth is flat, the Bible says so.
And bats are birds.-a Same source.
I wonder if James ever wakes up some days feeling brainwashed.
Dawn
i wonder why anyone would care
On 1/30/2026 6:58 AM, % wrote:
Dawn Flood wrote:
On 1/28/2026 5:48 AM, Attila wrote:
On Wed, 28 Jan 2026 02:29:28 +0000, Mitchell Holman
<noemail@aol.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
<XnsB3E1D0D0E3A5D629555@185.151.15.160> wrote:
James wrote in news:em3inkp5cclm7hpti9235ov6pigdo9uqj7@4ax.com:
On Mon, 26 Jan 2026 06:17:13 -0500, Attila <prochoice@here.now>
wrote:
All right here is just one Biblical example. Combine these two
verses and see what you get:
-- New King James
Isaiah 40:22-a It is He who sits above the circle of the earth,
and its inhabitants are like grasshoppers, Who stretches out the
heavens like a curtain, and spreads them out like a tent to dwell
in.
The Hebrew word for "circle" there is "hhug". And One reference
states that it can mean "sphere".
-- New King James
Job 26:7-a He stretches out the north over empty space; he hangs
the earth on nothing.
So combining those two verses we get a spherical or circular
earth floating in space.
The Earth is flat, the Bible says so.
And bats are birds.-a Same source.
I wonder if James ever wakes up some days feeling brainwashed.
Dawn
i wonder why anyone would care
I care because they have political influence in the United States (but
in few, if any, other Western democracies); when they cease to have
any meaningful influence, I will cease caring.
Dawn
On 1/30/2026 6:58 AM, % wrote:
Dawn Flood wrote:
On 1/28/2026 5:48 AM, Attila wrote:
On Wed, 28 Jan 2026 02:29:28 +0000, Mitchell Holman
<noemail@aol.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
<XnsB3E1D0D0E3A5D629555@185.151.15.160> wrote:
James wrote in news:em3inkp5cclm7hpti9235ov6pigdo9uqj7@4ax.com:
On Mon, 26 Jan 2026 06:17:13 -0500, Attila <prochoice@here.now>
wrote:
All right here is just one Biblical example. Combine these two verses >>>>>> and see what you get:
-- New King James
Isaiah 40:22-a It is He who sits above the circle of the earth, and >>>>>> its
inhabitants are like grasshoppers, Who stretches out the heavens like >>>>>> a curtain, and spreads them out like a tent to dwell in.
The Hebrew word for "circle" there is "hhug". And One reference
states
that it can mean "sphere".
-- New King James
Job 26:7-a He stretches out the north over empty space; he hangs the >>>>>> earth on nothing.
So combining those two verses we get a spherical or circular earth >>>>>> floating in space.
The Earth is flat, the Bible says so.
And bats are birds.-a Same source.
I wonder if James ever wakes up some days feeling brainwashed.
Dawn
i wonder why anyone would care
I care because they have political influence in the United States (but
in few, if any, other Western democracies); when they cease to have any meaningful influence, I will cease caring.
Dawn
Dawn Flood wrote:
On 1/30/2026 6:58 AM, % wrote:
Dawn Flood wrote:
On 1/28/2026 5:48 AM, Attila wrote:
On Wed, 28 Jan 2026 02:29:28 +0000, Mitchell Holman
<noemail@aol.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
<XnsB3E1D0D0E3A5D629555@185.151.15.160> wrote:
James wrote in news:em3inkp5cclm7hpti9235ov6pigdo9uqj7@4ax.com:
On Mon, 26 Jan 2026 06:17:13 -0500, Attila <prochoice@here.now> >>>>>>> wrote:
All right here is just one Biblical example. Combine these two
verses
and see what you get:
-- New King James
Isaiah 40:22-a It is He who sits above the circle of the earth, >>>>>>> and its
inhabitants are like grasshoppers, Who stretches out the heavens >>>>>>> like
a curtain, and spreads them out like a tent to dwell in.
The Hebrew word for "circle" there is "hhug". And One reference >>>>>>> states
that it can mean "sphere".
-- New King James
Job 26:7-a He stretches out the north over empty space; he hangs the >>>>>>> earth on nothing.
So combining those two verses we get a spherical or circular earth >>>>>>> floating in space.
The Earth is flat, the Bible says so.
And bats are birds.-a Same source.
I wonder if James ever wakes up some days feeling brainwashed.
Dawn
i wonder why anyone would care
I care because they have political influence in the United States (but
in few, if any, other Western democracies); when they cease to have
any meaningful influence, I will cease caring.
Dawn
so james being brainwashed is a big concern to you ,
the people of the usa have become ,
very very lost and i hope one day ,
they can find their way
On Sun, 25 Jan 2026 21:35:08 -0800, Samuel Spade <sam@spade.invalid>
wrote:
James wrote:
On Sat, 24 Jan 2026 21:35:53 -0800, Samuel Spade <sam@spade.invalid>
wrote:
snip
The research was published on Dec. 15 in the journal Proceedings of
the National Academy of Sciences.
Whew, all of that just to produce some life.
I'm sorry if it was hard for you to follow. Space.com articles are >>generally written for people who have some high school biology.
Here is the Bible's
answer:
-- King James
Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
That's no more an answer than to simply say "abiogenesis happened", or >>"life evolved".
If you want to be believable, you need to explain step by step how God
did this creating. Simply saying "God went poof! and it was good" is
It doesn't get more truthful than Gen 1:1 above.
not any explanation at all.
Subject closed.
"Can We End War and Violent Conflict?
Efforts to stop violent conflicts continue, but can we expect these
efforts to succeed?
Find Out". See jw.org (1/23/2026)
James: zebrabible@proton.me
"What the Universe Tells Us About a Creator
The universe and the earth seem to be designed to make life possible.
Could they be that way because they were designed?
Find Out". See jw.org (1/29/2026)
James: zebrabible@proton.me
James wrote in news:jv6onk1nvs23lbo1mfh85lqnl15f693dav@4ax.com:
On Sun, 25 Jan 2026 21:35:08 -0800, Samuel Spade <sam@spade.invalid>
wrote:
James wrote:
On Sat, 24 Jan 2026 21:35:53 -0800, Samuel Spade <sam@spade.invalid>
wrote:
snip
The research was published on Dec. 15 in the journal Proceedings of
the National Academy of Sciences.
Whew, all of that just to produce some life.
I'm sorry if it was hard for you to follow. Space.com articles are
generally written for people who have some high school biology.
Here is the Bible's
answer:
-- King James
Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
That's no more an answer than to simply say "abiogenesis happened", or
"life evolved".
If you want to be believable, you need to explain step by step how God
did this creating. Simply saying "God went poof! and it was good" is
It doesn't get more truthful than Gen 1:1 above.
not any explanation at all.
Subject closed.
"Can We End War and Violent Conflict?
Efforts to stop violent conflicts continue, but can we expect these
efforts to succeed?
Find Out". See jw.org (1/23/2026)
James: zebrabible@proton.me
"What the Universe Tells Us About a Creator
The universe and the earth seem to be designed to make life possible.
If Earth conditions are so beneficial to
life why have 99% of all species gone extinct?
Dawn Flood wrote:
On 1/30/2026 6:58 AM, % wrote:
Dawn Flood wrote:
On 1/28/2026 5:48 AM, Attila wrote:
On Wed, 28 Jan 2026 02:29:28 +0000, Mitchell Holman
<noemail@aol.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
<XnsB3E1D0D0E3A5D629555@185.151.15.160> wrote:
James wrote in news:em3inkp5cclm7hpti9235ov6pigdo9uqj7@4ax.com:
On Mon, 26 Jan 2026 06:17:13 -0500, Attila <prochoice@here.now> >>>>>> wrote:
All right here is just one Biblical example. Combine these two verses >>>>>> and see what you get:
-- New King James
Isaiah 40:22a It is He who sits above the circle of the earth, and >>>>>> its
inhabitants are like grasshoppers, Who stretches out the heavens like >>>>>> a curtain, and spreads them out like a tent to dwell in.
The Hebrew word for "circle" there is "hhug". And One reference >>>>>> states
that it can mean "sphere".
-- New King James
Job 26:7a He stretches out the north over empty space; he hangs the >>>>>> earth on nothing.
So combining those two verses we get a spherical or circular earth >>>>>> floating in space.
The Earth is flat, the Bible says so.
And bats are birds.a Same source.
I wonder if James ever wakes up some days feeling brainwashed.
Dawn
i wonder why anyone would care
I care because they have political influence in the United States (but
in few, if any, other Western democracies); when they cease to have any meaningful influence, I will cease caring.
Dawn
so james being brainwashed is a big concern to you ,
the people of the usa have become ,
very very lost and i hope one day ,
they can find their way
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