• Evolution. The Great Delusion!!!

    From James to alt.bible,alt.religion.christian on Sun Jan 11 17:30:22 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.bible

    Most people believe in it. Some put their whole reputation on it. Do
    you still believe in it?

    Sit back and just think about it. And take off you biased glasses for
    now. Try to get the whole picture first.

    Earth: There are humans, animals, insects, sea creatures, birds, microorganisms, big foot? etc, etc, as well as Extremophiles.

    "Extremophiles are organisms that thrive in environments too harsh for
    most life forms. Examples include thermophiles (hot springs),
    acidophilus (acidic environments), halophiles (salt-loving), and
    radiophiles (radiation-resistant)." (https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=extremophiles+examples}

    There are also extremophiles such as those who live near hot vents
    down under the ocean. There also are microscopic life found in subzero
    places. Many of the planets and moons out there could support
    extremophiles. Why haven't they?

    So let's see, some live in BOILING temps, some in ACID, some in high
    SALT water, some can even take RADIATION.

    Whew, sounds like others planets and moons not in the goldilocks (an environment that can support any life) zone like the earth.

    So now that that's been said, The alleged forces of evolution went
    bananas here. It not only created life forms, but lot's of DIFFERENT
    ones. Including the plant kingdom. Notice the breakdown:

    "Key Figures & Estimates
    Total Eukaryotic Species (estimated): ~8.7 million (7.8 million
    animals, 298,000 plants, 611,000 fungi, etc.).
    Described Species (known): Around 1.5 to 2 million, with nearly a
    million being animals.
    Microbes (bacteria, archaea): Estimates for bacteria alone range from
    millions to potentially trillions of species, with only a fraction
    identified."

    Difficulty in Counting: Many life forms, especially microscopic ones
    in oceans and soil, are incredibly hard to find and classify.
    Taxonomic Challenges: Defining what constitutes a unique "species" can
    be complex, especially for bacteria."

    "Ongoing Discovery: About 18,000 new species are identified annually,
    showing how much remains unknown.
    In essence, while we know of millions of species, the true diversity
    of life, especially microbial life, is vastly greater and still
    largely a mystery." (https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=how+many+different+forms+of+life+on+earth)

    "Only a very small percentage of species have been identified: one
    estimate claims that Earth may have 1 trillion species".

    And all of that programmed into their DNA without any brain matter, or
    any kind of thoughts, No eyes to see with, and no ears to hear with,
    just an unconscious force. That's like walking into Walmart and they
    tell you none of that merchandise was made by anyone. It was all
    created by blind and deaf evolution over millions of years.

    Would you accept that explanation? If so, then I have a large statue
    in a New York harbor, that I can give you a good price on.

    The first life form was allegedly a microscopic one cell thing in a
    primitive soup. So the next time you open up a Campbell's can, keep on
    the lookout.

    Many of the planets and moons out there at least fit the extremophile environments. Yet NOTHING, zero, null, 00. That pregnant evolution
    thing on earth allegedly gave birth to millions of things. Yet on
    other planets and moons evolution must have been sleeping.

    So all the above can be summed up at Genesis 1:1,

    - New King James
    Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

    You can put back on your biased glasses now, (but hopefully they have
    a crack on them)

    "Does God Care About You?
    When disaster strikes, many turn to God for help. But is he paying
    attention?
    Find Out". See jw.org (1/11/2026)
    James: zebrabible@proton.me

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  • From Samuel Spade@sam@spade.invalid to alt.bible,alt.religion.christian on Sun Jan 11 21:10:07 2026
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    James wrote:

    (snip for focus)

    "Only a very small percentage of species have been identified: one
    estimate claims that Earth may have 1 trillion species".

    And all of that programmed into their DNA without any brain matter, or
    any kind of thoughts, No eyes to see with, and no ears to hear with,
    just an unconscious force. That's like walking into Walmart and they
    tell you none of that merchandise was made by anyone. It was all
    created by blind and deaf evolution over millions of years.

    James, are you being sarcastic here?

    If not, can you see the flaw in your analogy?



    Would you accept that explanation? If so, then I have a large statue
    in a New York harbor, that I can give you a good price on.

    The first life form was allegedly a microscopic one cell thing in a
    primitive soup. So the next time you open up a Campbell's can, keep on
    the lookout.

    Many of the planets and moons out there at least fit the extremophile environments. Yet NOTHING, zero, null, 00. That pregnant evolution
    thing on earth allegedly gave birth to millions of things. Yet on
    other planets and moons evolution must have been sleeping.

    We don't know yet if there is life on other planets. How do you already
    know?

    Can you give us a reference?



    So all the above can be summed up at Genesis 1:1,

    Do you accept the bible as an authoratative textbook of settled science?



    - New King James
    Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

    You can put back on your biased glasses now, (but hopefully they have
    a crack on them)

    "Does God Care About You?
    When disaster strikes, many turn to God for help. But is he paying
    attention?
    Find Out". See jw.org (1/11/2026)
    James: zebrabible@proton.me
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  • From James to alt.bible,alt.religion.christian on Mon Jan 12 22:02:47 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.bible

    On Sun, 11 Jan 2026 21:10:07 -0800, Samuel Spade <sam@spade.invalid>
    wrote:

    James wrote:

    (snip for focus)

    "Only a very small percentage of species have been identified: one
    estimate claims that Earth may have 1 trillion species".

    And all of that programmed into their DNA without any brain matter, or
    any kind of thoughts, No eyes to see with, and no ears to hear with,
    just an unconscious force. That's like walking into Walmart and they
    tell you none of that merchandise was made by anyone. It was all
    created by blind and deaf evolution over millions of years.

    James, are you being sarcastic here?

    Sometimes sarcasm is factual.

    If not, can you see the flaw in your analogy?

    If I thought it had flaws, I wouldn't have posted it.




    Would you accept that explanation? If so, then I have a large statue
    in a New York harbor, that I can give you a good price on.

    The first life form was allegedly a microscopic one cell thing in a
    primitive soup. So the next time you open up a Campbell's can, keep on
    the lookout.

    Many of the planets and moons out there at least fit the extremophile
    environments. Yet NOTHING, zero, null, 00. That pregnant evolution
    thing on earth allegedly gave birth to millions of things. Yet on
    other planets and moons evolution must have been sleeping.

    We don't know yet if there is life on other planets. How do you already >know?


    There are trillions of planets and moons out there. If macroevolution
    is real, the universe should be teaming with life forms. Look what
    alleged evolution did on this planet. It didn't just created one
    species, But possibly TRILLIONS.

    We should at least see non-earth extremophiles within our solar system
    of planets and moons. How can a universal force go nuts here,
    then close up shop elsewhere? Something sounds and smells fishy.

    Can you give us a reference?

    Sure. (https://www.bing.com/copilotsearch?q=Estimated%20planets%20in%20Milky%20Way&pq=how%20many%20planets%20and%20moons%20in%20universe&FORM=ANWSB6)

    So in our Milky Way galaxy planets are estimated to be 100-200
    billion. (not counting their moons)

    But we are just one GALAXY among billions, or even TRILLIONS. (https://www.bing.com/search?qs=LT&pq=HOW+MANY+GALAXIES+IN+UN&sk=CSYN1&sc=14-23&q=how+many+galaxies+in+universe&cvid=765cf206fc0c4316bad47f317ffbfa9f&gs_lcrp=EgRlZGdlKgcIABAAGPkHMgcIABAAGPkHMgYIARBFGDkyBggCEAAYQDIGCAMQABhAMgYIBBAAGEAyBggFEAAYQDIGCAYQABhAMgYIBxAAGEAyBwgIEOsHGEDSAQkxNTYwMmowajSoAgCwAgA&FORM=ANAB01&PC=EDGEDB)






    So all the above can be summed up at Genesis 1:1,

    Do you accept the bible as an authoratative textbook of settled science?

    Absolutely. But it must be true science. For example, many claim
    astrology is a science. The Bible rejects such things. And of course, macroevolution. It is not consistent with true science.




    - New King James
    Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

    You can put back on your biased glasses now, (but hopefully they have
    a crack on them)


    "Does God Care About You?
    When disaster strikes, many turn to God for help. But is he paying
    attention?
    Find Out". See jw.org (1/11/2026)
    James: zebrabible@proton.me
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  • From Samuel Spade@sam@spade.invalid to alt.bible,alt.religion.christian on Mon Jan 12 22:33:36 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.bible

    James wrote:
    On Sun, 11 Jan 2026 21:10:07 -0800, Samuel Spade <sam@spade.invalid> wrote:

    James wrote:

    (snip for focus)

    "Only a very small percentage of species have been identified: one
    estimate claims that Earth may have 1 trillion species".

    And all of that programmed into their DNA without any brain matter, or
    any kind of thoughts, No eyes to see with, and no ears to hear with,
    just an unconscious force. That's like walking into Walmart and they
    tell you none of that merchandise was made by anyone. It was all
    created by blind and deaf evolution over millions of years.

    James, are you being sarcastic here?

    Sometimes sarcasm is factual.

    If not, can you see the flaw in your analogy?

    If I thought it had flaws, I wouldn't have posted it.

    Evolution works by the dual wonders of reproduction with variation, and
    natural selection. Living things perform both of those processes, and
    they evolve like crazy. Cheap plastic housewares have never been caught
    in the act of reproducing themselves.

    The tornado-in-a-junkyard and the blind watchmaker analogies suffer from
    the same flaw. I'm sure you can find a better one.

    Do you know why sexual reproduction is so successful, besides the
    whoopee factor? Because it promotes variation, which facilitates
    adaptation. Life has evolved the ability to evolve.


    Would you accept that explanation? If so, then I have a large statue
    in a New York harbor, that I can give you a good price on.

    The first life form was allegedly a microscopic one cell thing in a
    primitive soup. So the next time you open up a Campbell's can, keep on
    the lookout.

    Many of the planets and moons out there at least fit the extremophile
    environments. Yet NOTHING, zero, null, 00. That pregnant evolution
    thing on earth allegedly gave birth to millions of things. Yet on
    other planets and moons evolution must have been sleeping.

    We don't know yet if there is life on other planets. How do you already >know?


    There are trillions of planets and moons out there. If macroevolution
    is real, the universe should be teaming with life forms. Look what
    alleged evolution did on this planet. It didn't just created one
    species, But possibly TRILLIONS.

    Again, how do you know the universe is not teeming with life?

    You seem to dismiss the possibility without much thought.


    We should at least see non-earth extremophiles within our solar system
    of planets and moons. How can a universal force go nuts here,
    then close up shop elsewhere? Something sounds and smells fishy.

    Venus and Mars probably both had conditions conducive to life in the
    past. Europa and Enciladas could have life today. Humans haven't done
    nearly enough footwork to know. How is it that you know ET life has
    never appeared, and no one else does?


    Can you give us a reference?

    Sure. (https://www.bing.com/copilotsearch?q=Estimated%20planets%20in%20Milky%20Way&pq=how%20many%20planets%20and%20moons%20in%20universe&FORM=ANWSB6)

    So in our Milky Way galaxy planets are estimated to be 100-200
    billion. (not counting their moons)

    But we are just one GALAXY among billions, or even TRILLIONS. (https://www.bing.com/search?qs=LT&pq=HOW+MANY+GALAXIES+IN+UN&sk=CSYN1&sc=14-23&q=how+many+galaxies+in+universe&cvid=765cf206fc0c4316bad47f317ffbfa9f&gs_lcrp=EgRlZGdlKgcIABAAGPkHMgcIABAAGPkHMgYIARBFGDkyBggCEAAYQDIGCAMQABhAMgYIBBAAGEAyBggFEAAYQDIGCAYQABhAMgYIBxAAGEAyBwgIEOsHGEDSAQkxNTYwMmowajSoAgCwAgA&FORM=ANAB01&PC=EDGEDB)

    I was asking for a reference for your statement that there is no extra-terrestrial life. Not how many planets there are.

    Yes there are many many worlds in the universe, and certainly many that
    could harbor life. That fact increases the liklihood of life. Why do
    you see that as evidence that life is only found on earth?

    Now as far as extremophiles, after life ignited, it became robust and
    could adapt to extreme environments. That does not imply that
    extremophiles should be able to suddenly abiogenify in such hostile environments. Life starts in a nursery, your idyllic warm pond or black smoker. Life is fragile in its infancy. A planet of frozen salt brine
    is not the best place for it to start.


    So all the above can be summed up at Genesis 1:1,

    Do you accept the bible as an authoratative textbook of settled science?

    Absolutely. But it must be true science. For example, many claim
    astrology is a science. The Bible rejects such things. And of course, macroevolution. It is not consistent with true science.

    Do you define true science as that which is permitted by scripture?

    Does the bible support concepts like, say, germ theory, or the carbon
    cycle? Can you name some widely accepted true scientific concepts that
    came from the Bible?

    Thanks for your reply, btw.
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  • From James to alt.bible,alt.religion.christian on Tue Jan 13 23:50:34 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.bible

    On Sun, 11 Jan 2026 21:10:07 -0800, Samuel Spade <sam@spade.invalid>
    wrote:

    James wrote:

    (snip for focus)

    "Only a very small percentage of species have been identified: one
    estimate claims that Earth may have 1 trillion species".

    And all of that programmed into their DNA without any brain matter, or
    any kind of thoughts, No eyes to see with, and no ears to hear with,
    just an unconscious force. That's like walking into Walmart and they
    tell you none of that merchandise was made by anyone. It was all
    created by blind and deaf evolution over millions of years.

    James, are you being sarcastic here?

    Sometimes sarcasm is factual.

    If not, can you see the flaw in your analogy?

    If I thought it had flaws, I wouldn't have posted it.




    Would you accept that explanation? If so, then I have a large statue
    in a New York harbor, that I can give you a good price on.

    The first life form was allegedly a microscopic one cell thing in a
    primitive soup. So the next time you open up a Campbell's can, keep on
    the lookout.

    Many of the planets and moons out there at least fit the extremophile
    environments. Yet NOTHING, zero, null, 00. That pregnant evolution
    thing on earth allegedly gave birth to millions of things. Yet on
    other planets and moons evolution must have been sleeping.

    We don't know yet if there is life on other planets. How do you already >know?


    There are trillions of planets and moons out there. If macroevolution
    is real, the universe should be teaming with life forms. Look what
    alleged evolution did on this planet. It didn't just created one
    species, But possibly TRILLIONS.

    We should at least see non-earth extremophiles within our solar system
    of planets and moons. How can a universal force go nuts here,
    then close up shop elsewhere? Something sounds and smells fishy.

    Can you give us a reference?

    Sure. (https://www.bing.com/copilotsearch?q=Estimated%20planets%20in%20Milky%20Way&pq=how%20many%20planets%20and%20moons%20in%20universe&FORM=ANWSB6)

    So in our Milky Way galaxy planets are estimated to be 100-200
    billion. (not counting their moons)

    But we are just one GALAXY among billions, or even TRILLIONS. (https://www.bing.com/search?qs=LT&pq=HOW+MANY+GALAXIES+IN+UN&sk=CSYN1&sc=14-23&q=how+many+galaxies+in+universe&cvid=765cf206fc0c4316bad47f317ffbfa9f&gs_lcrp=EgRlZGdlKgcIABAAGPkHMgcIABAAGPkHMgYIARBFGDkyBggCEAAYQDIGCAMQABhAMgYIBBAAGEAyBggFEAAYQDIGCAYQABhAMgYIBxAAGEAyBwgIEOsHGEDSAQkxNTYwMmowajSoAgCwAgA&FORM=ANAB01&PC=EDGEDB)






    So all the above can be summed up at Genesis 1:1,

    Do you accept the bible as an authoratative textbook of settled science?

    Yes. for example the earth is round:

    -- New King James
    Isaiah 40:22 It is He who sits above the circle of the earth, and its inhabitants are like grasshoppers, Who stretches out the heavens like
    a curtain, and spreads them out like a tent to dwell in.

    The word "circle" there comes from the Hebrew word "hhug". Which
    according to Davidson's Concordance means also "sphere".

    Also, the Bible says this:


    Back then concerning the earth:

    The Egyptians said it was supported by pillars.
    The Greeks by Atlas.
    In India by elephants.
    The Bible:
    -- New King James
    Job 26:7 He stretches out the north over empty space; he hangs the
    earth on nothing.

    So to combine them: We have a spherical earth floating in a void in
    space. Sound familiar?

    The Bible says the universe had a beginning. Genesis 1:1.
    Scientists agree it had a beginning with the Big Bang.

    - New King James
    1 Corinthians 15:41 There is one glory of the sun, another glory of
    the moon, and another glory of the stars; for one star differs from
    another star in glory.

    Scientists now know that there are blue stars, yellow ones, white
    dwarfs, neutron stars, and others.-

    Centuries before naturalists were aware of migration, Jeremiah wrote
    (seventh century B.C.E.) "The stork in the sky knows the time to
    migrate, the dove and the swift and the wryneck know the season of return."-Jeremiah 8:7, The New English Bible.

    A thousand years before Christ, Solomon wrote in figurative language
    about the circulation of the blood. (Ecclesiastes 12:6) Medical
    science did not understand it until the 15th century C.E.

    The Mosaic Law (16th century B.C.E.) reflected awareness of disease
    germs thousands of years before Pasteur.-Leviticus, chapters 13, 14.

    The creation account of Genesis is accurate biology-testified to by
    the fossil record and by modern genetics-when it says that each family
    kind was to reproduce "according to its kind."-Genesis 1:12, 21, 25.

    The genetic blueprint in the fertilized human egg cell contains
    programs for all the bodily parts before any hint of their presence.
    Compare Psalm 139:16: "Your eyes [Jehovah's] saw even the embryo of
    me, and in your book all its parts were down in writing, as regards
    the days when they were formed and there was not yet one among them."

    The genetic blueprint in the fertilized human egg cell contains
    programs for all the bodily parts before any hint of their presence.
    Compare Psalm 139:16: "Your eyes [Jehovah's] saw even the embryo of
    me, and in your book all its parts were down in writing, as regards
    the days when they were formed and there was not yet one among them."

    Likewise, about 800aB.C.E. the prophet Amos, a humble shepherd and
    farmworker, wrote that Jehovah is othe One calling for the waters of
    the sea, that he may pour them out upon the surface of the earth.o
    (Amos 5:8) Without using complex, technical language, both Solomon and
    Amos accurately described the water cycle, each from a slightly
    different perspective...." (2005 Watchtower, 4/1)

    If you have any questions about the Bible, I will see what I can find.
    "God Will Soon End All Suffering
    How can we know that God will soon act to bring an end to all
    suffering and injustice?
    Learn More". See jw.org (1/13/2026)
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