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Happy Saturnalia, around Dec 17-24.

Yes, that is the time of the great celebration of Saturnalia; to the
god Saturn. According to Brittanica, it had a Mardi Gras type
festival. Businesses were closed, slaves were temp set free, and
toward the end of it, presents were given.

"The influence of the Saturnalia upon the celebrations of Christmas
and the New Year has been direct." (https://www.britannica.com/topic/Saturnalia-Roman-festival)

"Christmas originated from early Christian efforts to commemorate
Jesus's birth, formally set on December 25th in the 4th century by the
Roman Church to coincide with and Christianize existing pagan winter
solstice festivals like Saturnalia and Sol Invictus, blending
traditions like feasting, gift-giving, and evergreen decor into the
new holiday celebrating Christ's arrival." (https://www.google.com/search?q=christmas+origin&sa=Google+Search)

Calling a pagan celebration "Christian", does it fool God?
You decide.

"THE GOOD NEWS ACCORDING TO JESUS
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The stupid, satanically manipulated lie you promote here, is that pagans define the meaning of words and actions for everyone. Demonic wisdom is evidenced by envy and selfish ambition (James 3:14-15). Envy and selfish ambition seeks to poison people's minds against the brethren (Acts 14:2).

rCLBut the unbelieving Jews stirred up the Gentiles and poisoned their
minds against the brothers.rCY (Acts 14:2, ESV)

Next thing you'll be telling us is that rainbows are pagan, because
pagans use them to promote homosexuality.

Here is another list showing the absurdity of the rCLpagan by associationrCY rule, grounded directly in Scripture.

The word rCLtheosrCY
The inspired Bible calls false gods rCLtheosrCY (Acts 14:11rCo12, ESV).
The same inspired Bible calls the Father rCLtheosrCY (John 17:3, ESV).
The word does not become pagan because pagans misuse it. Meaning comes
from the object referenced.

Sacrifices
Pagans offered sacrifices to idols (1 Kings 18:26, ESV).
God commanded sacrifices to Himself (Leviticus 1:3rCo4, ESV).
The act does not define paganism. The recipient does.

Altars
Pagans built altars to false gods (Acts 17:23, ESV).
God commanded altars for His worship (Exodus 20:24, ESV).
Stone does not carry spiritual corruption. Worship does.

Incense
Pagans burned incense to idols (Jeremiah 44:8, ESV).
God commanded incense for His worship (Exodus 30:7rCo8, ESV).
The practice remains holy when God defines its use.

Singing
Pagans sang to false gods (Daniel 3:7, ESV).
Believers sing to the Lord (Psalm 95:1rCo2, ESV).
Music does not belong to demons. God created sound.

Temples
Pagans worshiped in temples (Acts 19:24, ESV).
God appointed the temple for His name (1 Kings 8:29, ESV).
A building does not sanctify worship. God does.

Feasts
Pagans held religious feasts (Exodus 32:6, ESV).
God commanded feasts unto Himself (Leviticus 23:2, ESV).
Eating together does not become pagan by imitation.

Fire
Pagans used fire in worship (1 Kings 18:28, ESV).
God revealed Himself in fire (Exodus 3:2, ESV).
Fire serves God when God sends it.

Crowns
Pagans wore crowns in worship (Revelation 9:7, ESV).
The redeemed receive crowns from Christ (2 Timothy 4:8, ESV).
Authority symbols do not belong to darkness.

Kneeling and bowing
Pagans bowed to idols (Daniel 3:5, ESV).
God commands kneeling before Him (Psalm 95:6, ESV).
Posture does not determine truth. Allegiance does.
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Have you heard the good news Christ died for our sins (rCa), and God
raised Him from the dead?

That Christ died for our sins shows we're sinners who deserve the death penalty. That God raised Him from the dead shows Christ's death
satisfied God's righteous demands against our sin (Romans 3:25; 1 John
2:1-2). This means God can now remain just, while forgiving you of your
sins, and saving you from eternal damnation.

On the basis of Christ's death and resurrection for our sins, call on
the name of the Lord to save you: "For 'everyone who calls on the name
of the Lord will be saved'" (Romans 10:13, ESV).

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On Sat, 20 Dec 2025 17:48:29 -0600, Christ Rose
<usenet@christrose.news> wrote:

The stupid, satanically manipulated lie you promote here, is that pagans >define the meaning of words and actions for everyone.

Good try, but I never said that.

Demonic wisdom is

evidenced by envy and selfish ambition (James 3:14-15). Envy and selfish >ambition seeks to poison people's minds against the brethren (Acts 14:2).

I accept all Scriptures.

oBut the unbelieving Jews stirred up the Gentiles and poisoned their
minds against the brothers.o (Acts 14:2, ESV)

OK

Next thing you'll be telling us is that rainbows are pagan, because
pagans use them to promote homosexuality.

You said it, I didn't.

Here is another list showing the absurdity of the opagan by associationo >rule, grounded directly in Scripture.

It all depends on the circumstances.

The word otheoso
The inspired Bible calls false gods otheoso (Acts 14:11u12, ESV).
The same inspired Bible calls the Father otheoso (John 17:3, ESV).
The word does not become pagan because pagans misuse it. Meaning comes
from the object referenced.

-- New King James
John 17:3 "And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only
true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.

Who SENT Jesus? Jesus himself? Of course not; God.

Sacrifices
Pagans offered sacrifices to idols (1 Kings 18:26, ESV).
God commanded sacrifices to Himself (Leviticus 1:3u4, ESV).
The act does not define paganism. The recipient does.

None were ever humans, like the pagans did.

Altars
Pagans built altars to false gods (Acts 17:23, ESV).
God commanded altars for His worship (Exodus 20:24, ESV).
Stone does not carry spiritual corruption. Worship does.

You are trying to throw people off Bible truths again. Like:
pagans breathed air. So did God's servants. Thus...

Incense
Pagans burned incense to idols (Jeremiah 44:8, ESV).
God commanded incense for His worship (Exodus 30:7u8, ESV).
The practice remains holy when God defines its use.

Pagans ate food. God's servants ate food. Thus...

Singing
Pagans sang to false gods (Daniel 3:7, ESV).
Believers sing to the Lord (Psalm 95:1u2, ESV).
Music does not belong to demons. God created sound.

Pagans got sick. God's servants got sick. Thus...

Temples
Pagans worshiped in temples (Acts 19:24, ESV).
God appointed the temple for His name (1 Kings 8:29, ESV).
A building does not sanctify worship. God does.

Pagans took wives. God's servants too wives. Thus...

Feasts
Pagans held religious feasts (Exodus 32:6, ESV).
God commanded feasts unto Himself (Leviticus 23:2, ESV).
Eating together does not become pagan by imitation.

Pagans walked on two legs. God's servants walked on two legs. Thus...

Fire
Pagans used fire in worship (1 Kings 18:28, ESV).
God revealed Himself in fire (Exodus 3:2, ESV).
Fire serves God when God sends it.

Pagans wore clothes. God's servants wore clothes. Thus...

Crowns
Pagans wore crowns in worship (Revelation 9:7, ESV).
The redeemed receive crowns from Christ (2 Timothy 4:8, ESV).
Authority symbols do not belong to darkness.

Pagans worshipped false gods. God's servants worshiped God. Thus...

Kneeling and bowing
Pagans bowed to idols (Daniel 3:5, ESV).
God commands kneeling before Him (Psalm 95:6, ESV).
Posture does not determine truth. Allegiance does.

Pagans owned animals. God's servants owned animals. Thus...

So what was proven concerning the Bible? Zero, naught, 0.

"THE GOOD NEWS ACCORDING TO JESUS
Episode 1: The True Light of the World
In this episode, see the amazing events that led up to JesusA birth.
Watch This Video".
See jw.org (12/20/2025)
James: zebrabible@proton.me
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