From Newsgroup: alt.bible

On Sat, 20 Dec 2025 11:23:59 -0500
Ed P <esp@snet.n> wrote:

On 12/20/2025 10:50 AM, Bruce wrote:

On Sat, 20 Dec 2025 10:30:48 -0000 (UTC), Cindy Hamilton <chamilton5280@invalid.com> wrote:

On 2025-12-20, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On Fri, 19 Dec 2025 17:15:26 -0700, Levon Redbone <wq@no.al>
wrote:

On Fri, 19 Dec 2025 18:00:54 -0600
Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> wrote:

The modern bible is mostly a document to cement a religion. It
has no historical facts.

Au contraire.

https://www.hopehasarrived.com/reliability-of-the-bible/?gad_source=1&gad_campaignid=14994037198&gbraid=0AAAAAoJBjfbQ82eIGjv37ujRnx9m02d7x

Archaeology confirms the BiblerCOs historical accuracy.

Hahaha.

I had some stupid Christer tell me that the discovery of some
ruined city confirmed the fable of Sodom and Gomorrah.

Maybe they would also have been able to explain how Noah got all
those animals on his boat without all hell breaking loose.

Noah saved the Christian animals. They were very well behaved and
looked forward to a boat ride.

As it may have turned out Satan entered some of the reptiles on the Ark
and thus was evil reintroduced and propagated through the linneage of
Ham.
Or:
Key Details Regarding Ham and the Return of Sin:
The Incident: Ham saw his father's nakedness and reported it to his brothers, Shem and Japheth, breaking social and familial boundaries of respect.
The Curse: Due to this action, a curse was placed on Canaan, Ham's son, indicating a grave offense that signaled the return of wickedness.
Re-emergence of Evil: While the flood wiped out the initial sinful generation, the incident with Ham demonstrated that the propensity for sin survived on the ark.
Theological Significance: This event is often interpreted as the beginning of a new line of wickedness (the Canaanites) contrasted with the line of Shem, representing an ongoing struggle with sin in the world.
Some interpretations suggest Ham's act was a deeper act of rebellion or
even a sexual violation, though the Bible primarily emphasizes the
shame and disrespect shown to Noah. https://www.crosswalk.com/faith/bible-study/ham-son-of-noah-bible.html
Why Did Ham Shame His Father?
All of these men had experienced an incredible miracle of the Lord. He had sent a flood to clear the world of wickednessrCoand chose to save only Noah and his family. One can only conjecture why Ham would have shamed his father by advertising his drunkenness to his brothers (and maybe NoahrCOs wife and daughters-in-law, who may have been in earshot). Since we cannot know on this side of heaven, I offer some reasons why Ham may have acted in this way:
Did he resent Noah for some past eventrCoor was he angry at being one of the only people left alive?
Did Ham have a difficult time on the ark, which caused him to harbor anger at his father?
Since everyone else was wicked, was he acting out resentment from being ridiculed by unrighteous people when he had been building the ark?
Was there some post-traumatic stress involved from watching people drown in the flood, stress he dealt with on odd days?
Was he ashamed of his father for getting drunk after God had praised him for being the only wise person on the planet?
In any case, Ham sinned against God and his father. His sons and their sons and so on would pay the price. This teaches us that God doesnrCOt take any sin lightly, even if we donrCOt immediately experience its consequences.
GodrCOs treatment may seem harsh, but it is worth noting that God also gives mercy. Later, NoahrCOs descendant Abraham will settle the land that the Canaanites live in but which the Israelites will conquer. When God tells Abraham why the Israelites will leave his land for a while (their time in Egypt), he explains, rCLIn the fourth generation your descendants will come back here, for the sin of the Amorites has not yet reached its full measure.rCY The Amorites were one of various Canaanite tribes. God gives even the Canaanites, cursed by Noah, time to live in their sinsrCO consequences and potentially turn back to him. He is ready and willing to take in anyone who seeks him.

The downside was their natural internal processes. Have you heard
the term "poop deck"? That was on the Ark.

https://youtu.be/q6v5dKEJRRM
The Imaginative Waste Removal System in Ken Ham's Ark Encounter. https://youtu.be/tq-SLikDEEg
How did they handle waste management on the Ark?
0:41
how do they ventilate the animal smells
0:44
and it is pretty ingenious one of the
0:48
solutions proposed is that the art could
0:50
have had a moon pull a moon pole is a
0:52
tall shaft that opens up to the water
0:54
below and many research ships have them
0:56
today the walls of the shaft and the air
0:59
pressure above would keep the water from
1:01
coming up into the arc as the water in
1:03
the moon pool rose and fell with the
1:05
waves
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From Newsgroup: alt.bible

On Sun, 21 Dec 2025 03:46:12 +1100
Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:

Muslims and Jews don't like pigs. They're Christian
animals.

Absurdity again.
"Pork is classified as najas, meaning it is inherently unclean and
defiling. Consuming pork would compromise a Muslim's state of purity,
making them unfit for certain religious activities. However, in
exceptional circumstances such as excessive hunger or starvation,
Muslims are permitted to eat pork." https://www.wattpad.com/8055835-blessings-why-muslim%27s-don%27t-eat-pork https://iqranetwork.com/blog/why-cant-muslims-eat-pork-unveiling-the-divine-wisdom-behind-dietary-restrictions/
Eating pork is prohibited in Islam, based on the teachings of the Quran and Prophet Muhammad. The Quran explicitly forbids the consumption of pork in several verses
Such as Surah Al-Baqarah (2:173) rCLHe has only forbidden you -|to eat-| carrion, blood, swine,1 and what is slaughtered in the name of any other than Allah. But if someone is compelled by necessityrConeither driven by desire nor exceeding immediate needrCothey will not be sinful. Surely Allah is All-Forgiving, Most Merciful.rCY
Surah Al-MarCOidah (5:3) rCLForbidden to you are carrion, blood, and swine; what is slaughtered in the name of any other than Allah..rCY, where Allah commands believers to avoid impure substances, including pork. This divine directive serves as the foundation for Islamic dietary laws, emphasizing purity and cleanliness in all aspects of life.
Rationale Behind the Prohibition
The wisdom behind the prohibition of pork consumption encompasses both spiritual and practical dimensions. From a spiritual perspective, obeying divine commands is central to Islamic faith, and abstaining from pork serves as a testament to onerCOs submission to AllahrCOs will. Additionally, consuming pork is considered spiritually harmful, as it defiles the body and soul, hindering spiritual growth and purity.
Moreover, from a practical standpoint, pork is inherently unclean and
poses various health risks. Unlike other meats, pork is prone to harbor parasites and diseases, making it a potential source of foodborne
illnesses. By prohibiting pork consumption, Islam promotes the
well-being and health of its followers, ensuring their physical
vitality and longevity.
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From Newsgroup: alt.bible

On Sat, 20 Dec 2025 15:26:47 -0500
Ed P <esp@snet.n> wrote:

On 12/20/2025 2:47 PM, Bruce wrote:

On Sat, 20 Dec 2025 11:33:58 -0700, Levon Redbone <wq@no.al> wrote:

On Sun, 21 Dec 2025 02:50:34 +1100
Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On Sat, 20 Dec 2025 10:30:48 -0000 (UTC), Cindy Hamilton
<chamilton5280@invalid.com> wrote:

On 2025-12-20, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On Fri, 19 Dec 2025 17:15:26 -0700, Levon Redbone <wq@no.al>
wrote:

On Fri, 19 Dec 2025 18:00:54 -0600
Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> wrote:

The modern bible is mostly a document to cement a religion.
It has no historical facts.

Au contraire.

https://www.hopehasarrived.com/reliability-of-the-bible/?gad_source=1&gad_campaignid=14994037198&gbraid=0AAAAAoJBjfbQ82eIGjv37ujRnx9m02d7x

Archaeology confirms the BiblerCOs historical accuracy.

Hahaha.

I had some stupid Christer tell me that the discovery of some
ruined city confirmed the fable of Sodom and Gomorrah.

Maybe they would also have been able to explain how Noah got all
those animals on his boat without all hell breaking loose.

Go here to learn:

https://youtu.be/QnEbE9F23_E

Embark with me on a comprehensive, no-narration 4K walkthrough of
the Ark Encounter in Williamstown, Kentucky. Together, our
immersive tour covers all three decks of the life-sized NoahrCOs Ark
replica, showcasing its intricate exhibits and design.

We conclude with a visit to the Ararat Ridge Zoo, where you'll get
a close-up look at a variety of animals from around the world. Be
sure to check out the friendly camel, CJ, who I have the chance to
feed during my visit. This video offers an in-depth look at one of
the most ambitious attractions in the United States.

The Ark Encounter's sister attraction is the Creation Museum in
Petersburg, Kentucky.

Stop acting like a child.

Question:
"Is the Ark Encounter in Kentucky proof that Noah and his ark really existed?"

AI answer:
"No, the Ark Encounter in Kentucky is not proof that Noah and his
ark really existed historically, nor does it provide evidence for
the biblical global flood. It is a modern Christian evangelical
theme park."

Duh.

With two of each on board, I imagine they could teach about animal copulation.

Gestation rates may have fallen in line with the reported duration of
the voyage, ftmp.
AI Overview
According to the Biblical account in Genesis, Noah's Ark was afloat for
roughly one year (about 371 days) in total, though the actual period it
was floating freely on the water after the initial 40 days of rain and
before resting on Mount Ararat was about 110 days (roughly 3.5 months),
with the rest of the time spent grounded or waiting for the waters to
recede.
Shortest Gestations (Less than 2 months)
Opossum: 12 days
Mouse: ~19-21 days
Hamster: ~20 days
Rat: ~22 days
Rabbit: ~31 days (about a month)
Cat: ~64 days (around 2 months)
Dog: ~61-64 days (around 2 months)
Medium Gestations (2-9 months)
Lion: ~108 days (under 4 months)
Pig: ~114 days (just under 4 months)
Deer: ~200 days (around 6-7 months)
Black Bear: ~210-220 days (around 7 months)
Chimpanzee: ~230-250 days (around 8 months)
Cow: ~9 months (around 280 days)
Longest Gestations (Over 9 months)
Horse: ~11 months
Giraffe: ~15 months
Rhinoceros: ~15-16 months
Whale: 14-16 months (varies by species)
Elephant: ~22 months (up to 660 days)
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