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On Mon, 17 Nov 2025 17:09:52 -0600, Christ Rose
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James claims Jesus is oa god,
Correct. According to the Catholic Encyclopedia, the Greek grammar at
John 1:1 should show the Word to be "a god". As it says:
"Was God:lack of a definite article with "God" in Greek signifies
predication rather than identification".
Here are some others:
"the Logos was divine." (MO);
"the Word was divine." (AT; SD);
"a god was the Word." (interlinear ED) ;
"the Word was a god" (NTIV).
"the Word was a god." (NWT)
"The Word was deity." (Simple English)
But notice:
-- New King James
John 10:33 The Jews answered Him, saying, "For a good work we do not
stone You, but for blasphemy, and because You, being a Man, make
Yourself God.''
Every translation I looked at said "God", not "a god". So how did
Jesus understand it? John 10:34-36,
" 34. Jesus answered them, "Is it not written in your law, `I said,
"You are gods'' '?
35. "If He called them gods, to whom the word of God came (and the
Scripture cannot be broken),
36. "do you say of Him whom the Father sanctified and sent into the
world, `You are blaspheming,' because I said, `I am the Son of God'? "
(NKJV)
Thus Jesus understood them to say he was claiming to be "a god", not
"God".
Was Jesus offended being called "a god"? He should be if he was really
God. But he didn't imply that at all.
o denies His eternal deity,
I never said that. You apparently are defining "deity" as being God.
Which can be true. But it can also mean "a god", which is also true.
"
deity
noun
de+?i+?ty 'de-?-te
'da-
plural deities
Synonyms of deity
1
a
: the rank or essential nature of a god or goddess : divinity
b
Deity : god sense 1, supreme being
2
: a god (see god entry 1 sense 2) or goddess
the deities of ancient Greece" (
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/deity)
denies His equality with the Father,
The Bible denies that.
Jesus on earth:
- New King James
John 14:28 "You have heard Me say to you, `I am going away and coming
back to you.' If you loved Me, you would rejoice because I said, `I am
going to the Father,' for My Father is greater than I.
Jesus in Heaven:
-- King James
1 Corinthians 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every
man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of
Christ is God.
and denies that John 1:1 teaches the full
deity of the Word. The lie he slips in here is simple and consistent:
He tries to hide the denial of ChristAs deity by redefining the word
odeityo to mean oa lesser divine being,o while Scripture uses oGodo for
the one true eternal Creator. He inserts the NWT mistranslation oa godo
to justify a creature-Christ, then builds his entire argument around
that false premise.
First, see above the Webster's definition of "deity".
I simply go by the Bible. If it says Jesus is God, then I go by that.
But if it doesn't, I don't bend the Scriptures like the churches do to
justify their beliefs.
The Bible clearly shows Jesus is not equal to God:
John 14:28 "The Father is greater than I am".
1 Cor 11:3 "and the head of Christ is God."
I am not trying to make you a Jehovah's Witness (that's up to you),
but only to show you the churchless truths from the Bible.
He then appeals to Colossians 1:15 and uses ofirstborno as if it means >ofirst created,o while ignoring the context that defines Christ as the >Creator of all things, the One in whom all things hold together
(Colossians 1:16u17, ESV).
The context of Col 1:15-17 are things CREATED. It names them. Now for
your inquiry:
A scripture verse can say "all" but really imply 'all other'. For
example, Mt 6:33,
"But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all
these things shall be added unto you." (KJV) Or all these 'other'
things (food, drink, clothing; vs 31) shall be added to you.
Also concerning Colossians 1:16, 17 the Greek word here rendered "all
things" is "panta", an inflected form of "pas". At Luke 13:2, RSV
renders this "all . . .other"; JB reads "any other"; NE says "anyone
else." (See also Luke 21:29 in NE and Philippians 2:21 in JB.) So the
words "all things" don't have to be all inclusive.
So in harmony with everything else that the Bible says regarding the
Son, the NWT assigns the same meaning to "panta" at Colossians 1:16,
17 so that it reads, in part, "by means of him all [other] things were
created . . . All [other] things have been created through him and for
him." Thus he is shown to be a created being, part of the creation
produced by God, as many of the scriptures we discussed so far show.
(taken from "Reasoning from the Scriptures")
He pretends to affirm the whole Bible while rejecting every passage that >teaches ChristAs full deity, His eternal existence, His equality with
the Father, and His role as Jehovah Himself.
Christ is "a god".
Christ died once, but will live forever now.
John 14:28 and 1 Cor 11:3 show he is not equal to God.
I don't know why you ignore those two Scriptures. They are clear and
simple.
He also tries to dodge the force of passages that identify Jesus as
Jehovah by inserting the NWTAs altered text and then shifting the >conversation to the 144,000 to distract from the contradictions.
I am not being cleaver. I am just trying to share Bible truths before
this world ends.
He claims that owe witness for Jehovah and His Son,o but then denies
that the Son shares the nature, glory, and attributes of the Father,
even though Scripture says:
Not at all. He shares a lot with God. See John 10:30 and John 14:9.
(and with it review John 14:28)
oIn the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was Godo (John 1:1, ESV).
With Greek grammar not being held to, you can make it say anything. At
any rate, it is not just the NWT that differs:
The Catholic Encyclopedia discusses the Greek grammar rules there.
(see above)
"the Logos was divine." (MO);
"the Word was divine." (AT; SD);
"a god was the Word." (interlinear ED) ;
"the Word was a god" (NTIV).
"the Word was a god." (NWT)
"The Word was deity." (Simple English)
Remember, "deity" can also mean "a god". And it is similar with the
word "divine".
Jesus is a deity and is divine. Thus no need to persecute JW's on that
matter.
This directly dismantles the lie he is trying to sneak into the discussion.
You still don't know what a "lie" is. Here is a couple examples:
I say Jesus is not Almighty God. That is not a lie. Why? Because I
firmly believe that.
Now if I say I am an astronaut. That would be a lie because I know
that is not true and am trying to deceive.
Can you see the difference now? So all the Bible things you accuse me
of lying, are not really lies. From your perspective they are
falsehoods, but are not lies according to Webster.
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