The Real question is: why doesn't God make me be good?
The Real question is: why doesn't God make me be good?
On Sat, 13 Dec 2025 15:21:43 -0600, Christ Rose
<usenet@christrose.news> wrote:
Why does God allow suffering?
1. God uses suffering to warn and restrain us from danger
rCLBefore I was afflicted I went astray, but now I keep your wordrCY >> (Psalm 119:67, ESV).
rCLFor the moment all discipline seems painful rather than
pleasant, but later it yields the peaceful fruit of
righteousnessrCY (Hebrews 12:11, ESV).
Pain functions as a warning system. Physical pain alerts us to injury.
We all know that. The question was why does God permit SUFFERING, not
pain?
Are children with cancer being disciplined for some reason? Is that
supposed to improve their character? Honest folks want to know why a
God of love permits such things. And that is a legitimate question.
Spiritual and circumstantial pain alerts us to danger. Lepers lose the
ability to feel pain, and as a result they destroy their own bodies
without realizing it. In the same way, a painless life would allow us to
wander into sin, pride, and self-destruction without restraint. God uses
suffering to stop us, awaken us, and turn us back before greater harm comes. >>
2. God uses suffering to discipline His children in love
rCLThe Lord disciplines the one he lovesrCa He disciplines us for our >> good, that we may share his holinessrCY (Hebrews 12:6, 10, ESV).
Scripture presents suffering for believers not as punishment, but as
fatherly discipline. Discipline aims at correction, not condemnation.
God applies pressure to train His children, reshape desires, and produce
holiness. This suffering carries purpose, not wrath, and always operates
within the bounds of love.
Yes, sounds about right for your torturous hellfire god. God never
intended for His children to suffer anything. And He will once again
make sure that will be fulfilled. Rev 21:3,4,
"3. And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the
tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they
shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their
God.
4. And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there
shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall
there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away." (KJV)
3. God uses suffering to produce endurance and maturity
The Bible God generally doesn't MAKE anyone suffer. That just comes
with an imperfect life. Satan is running the works right now, so we
are not surprised things are in a mess.
Yes, tell that about suffering to the cancer children at St Jude's
cancer center. Many by now should be more mature than adults. And as
far as endurance goes, they don't have much of a choice do they.
rCLYou know that the testing of your faith produces steadfastnessrCY >> (James 1:3rCo4, ESV).
rCLWe rejoice in our sufferings, knowing that suffering produces
endurancerCY (Romans 5:3rCo4, ESV).
He is referring to mainly adults suffering from religious opposition,
which in Paul's day could be fatal.
Suffering strengthens faith the way resistance strengthens muscle. God
uses trials to develop endurance, stability, and spiritual maturity.
Without pressure, faith remains shallow. With pressure, faith grows roots.
Actually, faith without works is dead. (James 2:26)
4. God uses suffering to deepen dependence on Him
rCLWe were so utterly burdened beyond our strengthrCa to make us rely >> not on ourselves but on God who raises the deadrCY (2 Corinthians
1:8rCo9, ESV).
Suffering exposes self-reliance as an illusion. God allows circumstances
that exceed our strength so we learn to rest in His power. When we
cannot rescue ourselves, we learn to trust the God who raises the dead.
Yes, your god uses hellfire to sharpen their skills. (which don't help
any) The churches' god seems to like pain and torture and agony and
terrible suffering. No wonder why there is so many atheists. I would
probably be one also if I believed the churches stagnated beliefs.
5. God uses suffering to display His power through weakness
You make him sound like a bully,which is exactly what the churches'
god is. They don't know the REAL God of the Bible. A God who loved us
long before we ever loved Him. And He gave His only Son for us
sinners. Don't you think that caused God tremendous hurt? But His love
for us was greater than thinking about Himself.
rCLWe have this treasure in jars of clay, to show that the
surpassing power belongs to God and not to usrCY (2 Corinthians
4:7, ESV).
God intentionally works through weakness so no one mistakes the source
of power. Suffering strips away pride and self-confidence, making it
clear that any endurance, fruit, or perseverance comes from Him.
6. God uses suffering to make Christ visible in us
rCLAlways carrying in the body the death of Jesus, so that the life
of Jesus may also be manifested in our bodiesrCY (2 Corinthians
4:10rCo11, ESV).
Suffering conforms believers to Christ. As we share in His sufferings,
His life becomes visible through us. God uses affliction to shape
Christlike humility, obedience, and hope.
7. God uses suffering to comfort others through us
rCLHe comforts us in all our affliction, so that we may be able to
comfort those who are in any afflictionrCY (2 Corinthians 1:4,
ESV).
God never wastes suffering. He comforts us so we can comfort others.
Those who have suffered under GodrCOs care become instruments of His
compassion to others walking the same road.
8. God uses suffering to advance the gospel
rCLWhat has happened to me has really served to advance the gospelrCY >> (Philippians 1:12, ESV).
God uses hardship to spread the message of Christ. Opposition,
imprisonment, and loss often place the gospel where comfort never would.
Suffering opens doors that ease keeps shut.
9. God uses suffering to loosen our grip on this world and fix our hope
on eternity
rCLThis light momentary affliction is preparing for us an eternal
weight of glory beyond all comparisonrCY (2 Corinthians 4:17rCo18,
ESV).
rCLWe suffer with him in order that we may also be glorified with
himrCY (Romans 8:17, ESV).
Suffering reorients our vision. It teaches us not to live for what is
seen, but for what is eternal. God uses pain to detach our hearts from
temporary comforts and anchor our hope in the glory to come.
10. God uses suffering to bring glory to Himself in Christ
rCLThis illness does not lead to death. It is for the glory of God,
so that the Son of God may be glorified through itrCY (John 11:4,
ESV).
The ultimate reason God permits suffering centers on His glory revealed
in Christ. God displays His wisdom, power, mercy, and faithfulness
through suffering in ways comfort never could. Even the darkest moments
serve His redemptive purposes.
Taken together, Scripture shows that suffering does not signal GodrCOs
absence or indifference. God uses suffering to warn, correct, mature,
humble, strengthen, comfort, witness, and glorify Himself in Christ.
Pain is not meaningless. In the hands of a wise and loving God, it
becomes a servant, not a master.
The Scriptures above are full of wisdom, but you are slanting them in
a direction they are not. You are implying God CAUSES suffering, like
cancer children, deformed births, poverty, etc, etc. You don't know
the Bible God very well.
If you want to know the real reason why God permits suffering, see my
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On Sat, 13 Dec 2025 18:37:16 -0800, pyotr filipivich
<phamp@mindspring.com> wrote:
The Real question is: why doesn't God make me be good?
You want to be a mindless robot? God could have made you that way, but
you would have to give up your free will. Your ability to make choices
would be gone. Are you sure you would want that?
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