• The Minneapolis shooting.

    From David Canzi@dmcanzi@uwaterloo.ca to alt.atheism on Sat Jan 10 16:57:57 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.atheism

    Here's a useful thing you might not know you can do on YouTube.
    If you're accessing YouTube through a browser on a computer with
    a physical keyboard, you can watch video one frame at a time.
    Pause the video at the point where you want to watch more closely.
    The ',' key goes to the previous frame. The '.' key goes to the
    next frame. You can try it here:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ou5AhQWTex0

    When the first ICE agent walked to Renee Good's car door, the car's
    front wheels were pointing leftward. She backed up, causing the
    front of her car to swing rightward. While she was backing up,
    she straightened the front wheels. When she rolled forward she
    steered rightward, where she would go if she was trying to escape.
    If she had wanted to hit the second ICE agent who was near the
    front left corner of her car, she would have steered leftward.

    Her actions were consistent with trying to escape and not consistent
    with trying to harm the second ICE agent.

    Trump and Noem lied shamelessly about this.

    Nonviolent resistance works when it's used against people who are
    capable of feeling shame. This does not seem to describe the people
    in power in the US.
    --
    David Canzi

    "And for all the little piggies life is getting worse" -- George Harrison

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  • From Mitchell Holman@noemail@aol.com to alt.atheism on Sun Jan 11 02:46:29 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.atheism

    David Canzi <dmcanzi@uwaterloo.ca> wrote in news:10jui15$2kkcv$1 @paganini.bofh.team:

    Here's a useful thing you might not know you can do on YouTube.
    If you're accessing YouTube through a browser on a computer with
    a physical keyboard, you can watch video one frame at a time.
    Pause the video at the point where you want to watch more closely.
    The ',' key goes to the previous frame. The '.' key goes to the
    next frame. You can try it here:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ou5AhQWTex0

    When the first ICE agent walked to Renee Good's car door, the car's
    front wheels were pointing leftward. She backed up, causing the
    front of her car to swing rightward. While she was backing up,
    she straightened the front wheels. When she rolled forward she
    steered rightward, where she would go if she was trying to escape.
    If she had wanted to hit the second ICE agent who was near the
    front left corner of her car, she would have steered leftward.

    Her actions were consistent with trying to escape and not consistent
    with trying to harm the second ICE agent.

    Trump and Noem lied shamelessly about this.

    Nonviolent resistance works when it's used against people who are
    capable of feeling shame. This does not seem to describe the people
    in power in the US.



    Any normal president would urge calm
    and ask the public to wait until the facts
    come out.

    But not Trump. She wasn't even cold
    yet before Trump was accusing her of being
    a demostic terrorist, claiming she ran
    over the officer, it was part of Democratic
    plot. Just like with the Trump shooter in 2024,
    when - opps, the perp turned out to be a
    right wing lunatic.

    Did Trump apologize for getting it wrong?

    Of course not..................


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  • From Attila@prochoice@here.now to alt.atheism on Sun Jan 11 06:21:00 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.atheism

    On Sat, 10 Jan 2026 16:57:57 -0500, David Canzi
    <dmcanzi@uwaterloo.ca> in alt.atheism with message-id <10jui15$2kkcv$1@paganini.bofh.team> wrote:

    Here's a useful thing you might not know you can do on YouTube.
    If you're accessing YouTube through a browser on a computer with
    a physical keyboard, you can watch video one frame at a time.
    Pause the video at the point where you want to watch more closely.
    The ',' key goes to the previous frame. The '.' key goes to the
    next frame. You can try it here:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ou5AhQWTex0

    When the first ICE agent walked to Renee Good's car door, the car's
    front wheels were pointing leftward. She backed up, causing the
    front of her car to swing rightward. While she was backing up,
    she straightened the front wheels.

    No, she cut her wheels to swing the front end of her car to
    the left. This brought her in line to hit the agent. She
    was also ordered to get out of her car, not drive away.

    She was deliberately blocking a public road, which in itself
    is a violation of state laws.

    When she rolled forward she
    steered rightward, where she would go if she was trying to escape.
    If she had wanted to hit the second ICE agent who was near the
    front left corner of her car, she would have steered leftward.

    Her actions were consistent with trying to escape and not consistent
    with trying to harm the second ICE agent.

    She was ordered to stop and exit her car.


    Trump and Noem lied shamelessly about this.

    The video does not lie, but the mayor and governor do.


    Nonviolent resistance works when it's used against people who are
    capable of feeling shame. This does not seem to describe the people
    in power in the US.

    What shame. The Gents were doing their job under the
    Constitution with the authority of the Federal Government
    behind them

    Do you think people who violate laws should be held
    accountable?

    Do you think anyone should be able to pick and choose what
    laws they should obey?

    How have ICE agents "torn families apart" other than to
    arrest members for violating federal law?

    Do you understand the federal laws that make the physical
    presence of an alien without legal status a violation of
    that law? Do you understand this is not conditional upon
    any other factor?
    --


    Every person in the US is here either
    legally or illegally. Those that are
    here illegally should be afraid.
    Be very afraid. It does not matter
    how long you have been here. It does
    not matter why you are here. It does not
    matter what you have done legally while you
    were here. It does not matter what any
    relative may have done while you were here.
    It only matters that you are here illegally.
    It may take a day, a week, a year, or longer
    but we will find you and we will deport you.
    Be prepared.

    Deport them all.

    Due process:
    Q. Are you here legally? If so, where is
    the documentation to establish that?


    All politicians are trained to lie
    and make those lies sound like
    the truth. They start with the biggest
    lie of all: Politicians are public
    servants.

    National Socialist American Workers Party
    (NSAWP) formally known as the Democrat Party

    Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting
    and abhorrent.
    Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

    I support:

    A Constitional Amendment establishing
    the Freedom of Choice.

    The elimination of public expression,
    display or support of religion or
    religious positions.
    --- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Attila@prochoice@here.now to alt.atheism on Sun Jan 11 06:34:42 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.atheism

    On Sun, 11 Jan 2026 02:46:29 +0000, Mitchell Holman
    <noemail@aol.com> in alt.atheism with message-id <XnsB3D0D3E602932629555@185.151.15.190> wrote:

    David Canzi <dmcanzi@uwaterloo.ca> wrote in news:10jui15$2kkcv$1 >@paganini.bofh.team:

    Here's a useful thing you might not know you can do on YouTube.
    If you're accessing YouTube through a browser on a computer with
    a physical keyboard, you can watch video one frame at a time.
    Pause the video at the point where you want to watch more closely.
    The ',' key goes to the previous frame. The '.' key goes to the
    next frame. You can try it here:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ou5AhQWTex0

    When the first ICE agent walked to Renee Good's car door, the car's
    front wheels were pointing leftward. She backed up, causing the
    front of her car to swing rightward. While she was backing up,
    she straightened the front wheels. When she rolled forward she
    steered rightward, where she would go if she was trying to escape.
    If she had wanted to hit the second ICE agent who was near the
    front left corner of her car, she would have steered leftward.

    Her actions were consistent with trying to escape and not consistent
    with trying to harm the second ICE agent.

    Trump and Noem lied shamelessly about this.

    Nonviolent resistance works when it's used against people who are
    capable of feeling shame. This does not seem to describe the people
    in power in the US.



    Any normal president would urge calm
    and ask the public to wait until the facts
    come out.

    But not Trump. She wasn't even cold
    yet before Trump was accusing her of being
    a demostic terrorist, claiming she ran
    over the officer, it was part of Democratic
    plot. Just like with the Trump shooter in 2024,
    when - opps, the perp turned out to be a
    right wing lunatic.

    Did Trump apologize for getting it wrong?

    Of course not..................

    How about Obama and his "I wish I had a son like him"
    comment?

    It was amusing to hear the mayor say there was nothing wrong
    with peaceful protests which followed the law and stayed on
    public property, did not throw things, and did not block the
    street. On the other side of the screen ws a mob marching
    down a street blocking half of it. But they were safe since
    all local police had been ordered to stay as far away as
    possible.

    I was under the obviously mistaken impression that local
    police existed to enforce laws and keep order to the extent
    that the individual is frequently not allowed to do this
    himself.

    I wonder if all of these local and state politicians
    actually thing they can order federal officers out of their
    cities or states or arrest any federal official who does
    something they don't like. Any disagreement between the
    federal government and a state or local government is going
    to end on the side of the federal government.

    In case anyone has forgotten that particular issue was
    decided about 162 years ago at the Appomattox Court House.
    --


    Every person in the US is here either
    legally or illegally. Those that are
    here illegally should be afraid.
    Be very afraid. It does not matter
    how long you have been here. It does
    not matter why you are here. It does not
    matter what you have done legally while you
    were here. It does not matter what any
    relative may have done while you were here.
    It only matters that you are here illegally.
    It may take a day, a week, a year, or longer
    but we will find you and we will deport you.
    Be prepared.

    Deport them all.

    Due process:
    Q. Are you here legally? If so, where is
    the documentation to establish that?


    All politicians are trained to lie
    and make those lies sound like
    the truth. They start with the biggest
    lie of all: Politicians are public
    servants.

    National Socialist American Workers Party
    (NSAWP) formally known as the Democrat Party

    Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting
    and abhorrent.
    Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

    I support:

    A Constitional Amendment establishing
    the Freedom of Choice.

    The elimination of public expression,
    display or support of religion or
    religious positions.
    --- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From David Canzi@dmcanzi@uwaterloo.ca to alt.atheism on Sun Jan 11 14:19:06 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.atheism

    On 1/11/26 06:21, Attila wrote:
    On Sat, 10 Jan 2026 16:57:57 -0500, David Canzi
    <dmcanzi@uwaterloo.ca> in alt.atheism with message-id <10jui15$2kkcv$1@paganini.bofh.team> wrote:

    Here's a useful thing you might not know you can do on YouTube.
    If you're accessing YouTube through a browser on a computer with
    a physical keyboard, you can watch video one frame at a time.
    Pause the video at the point where you want to watch more closely.
    The ',' key goes to the previous frame. The '.' key goes to the
    next frame. You can try it here:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ou5AhQWTex0

    When the first ICE agent walked to Renee Good's car door, the car's
    front wheels were pointing leftward. She backed up, causing the
    front of her car to swing rightward. While she was backing up,
    she straightened the front wheels.

    No, she cut her wheels to swing the front end of her car to
    the left. This brought her in line to hit the agent. She
    was also ordered to get out of her car, not drive away.

    People can watch the video for themselves and see that your description
    of her handling of her car is not accurate.
    --
    David Canzi | Life is too short to point out every mistake. |
    --- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Skeeter@invalid@none.com to alt.atheism on Sun Jan 11 13:08:28 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.atheism

    In article <XnsB3D0D3E602932629555@185.151.15.190>,
    noemail@aol.com says...

    David Canzi <dmcanzi@uwaterloo.ca> wrote in news:10jui15$2kkcv$1 @paganini.bofh.team:

    Here's a useful thing you might not know you can do on YouTube.
    If you're accessing YouTube through a browser on a computer with
    a physical keyboard, you can watch video one frame at a time.
    Pause the video at the point where you want to watch more closely.
    The ',' key goes to the previous frame. The '.' key goes to the
    next frame. You can try it here:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ou5AhQWTex0

    When the first ICE agent walked to Renee Good's car door, the car's
    front wheels were pointing leftward. She backed up, causing the
    front of her car to swing rightward. While she was backing up,
    she straightened the front wheels. When she rolled forward she
    steered rightward, where she would go if she was trying to escape.
    If she had wanted to hit the second ICE agent who was near the
    front left corner of her car, she would have steered leftward.

    Her actions were consistent with trying to escape and not consistent
    with trying to harm the second ICE agent.

    Trump and Noem lied shamelessly about this.

    Nonviolent resistance works when it's used against people who are
    capable of feeling shame. This does not seem to describe the people
    in power in the US.



    Any normal president would urge calm
    and ask the public to wait until the facts
    come out.

    Unlike what the left tells their puppets?

    But not Trump. She wasn't even cold
    yet before Trump was accusing her of being
    a demostic terrorist, claiming she ran
    over the officer, it was part of Democratic
    plot. Just like with the Trump shooter in 2024,
    when - opps, the perp turned out to be a
    right wing lunatic.

    Did Trump apologize for getting it wrong?

    Of course not..................


    --- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Attila@prochoice@here.now to alt.atheism on Sun Jan 11 17:21:16 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.atheism

    On Sun, 11 Jan 2026 14:19:06 -0500, David Canzi
    <dmcanzi@uwaterloo.ca> in alt.atheism with message-id <10k0t3b$2u0f6$1@paganini.bofh.team> wrote:

    On 1/11/26 06:21, Attila wrote:
    On Sat, 10 Jan 2026 16:57:57 -0500, David Canzi
    <dmcanzi@uwaterloo.ca> in alt.atheism with message-id
    <10jui15$2kkcv$1@paganini.bofh.team> wrote:

    Here's a useful thing you might not know you can do on YouTube.
    If you're accessing YouTube through a browser on a computer with
    a physical keyboard, you can watch video one frame at a time.
    Pause the video at the point where you want to watch more closely.
    The ',' key goes to the previous frame. The '.' key goes to the
    next frame. You can try it here:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ou5AhQWTex0

    When the first ICE agent walked to Renee Good's car door, the car's
    front wheels were pointing leftward. She backed up, causing the
    front of her car to swing rightward. While she was backing up,
    she straightened the front wheels.

    No, she cut her wheels to swing the front end of her car to
    the left. This brought her in line to hit the agent. She
    was also ordered to get out of her car, not drive away.

    People can watch the video for themselves and see that your description
    of her handling of her car is not accurate.

    It is accurate. She had been following the agents and
    yelling at them, then blocked traffic with her car for at
    least four minutes. Her girl friend was on her feet yelling
    at the same time. She was clearly told to exit her car but
    instead she tried to drive off, hitting an agent in the
    process.

    The funniest part was the mayor, foaming at the mouth, who
    told ICE to get out of the state, and they were not wanted
    in the city. I bet a drug dealer doesn't want DEA around
    his street corner either, nor does a gun runner want ATF
    watching him selling his product.

    BTW, ICE has a legal right to be in any state or city in the
    country. They don't need to be wanted by anyone.

    I see you ignored my questions, I guess your choice was to
    answer them honestly and show where you stand or just lie
    about them. Lies seem to be the standard among the loony
    left politicians.
    --


    Every person in the US is here either
    legally or illegally. Those that are
    here illegally should be afraid.
    Be very afraid. It does not matter
    how long you have been here. It does
    not matter why you are here. It does not
    matter what you have done legally while you
    were here. It does not matter what any
    relative may have done while you were here.
    It only matters that you are here illegally.
    It may take a day, a week, a year, or longer
    but we will find you and we will deport you.
    Be prepared.

    Deport them all.

    Due process:
    Q. Are you here legally? If so, where is
    the documentation to establish that?


    All politicians are trained to lie
    and make those lies sound like
    the truth. They start with the biggest
    lie of all: Politicians are public
    servants.

    National Socialist American Workers Party
    (NSAWP) formally known as the Democrat Party

    Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting
    and abhorrent.
    Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

    I support:

    A Constitional Amendment establishing
    the Freedom of Choice.

    The elimination of public expression,
    display or support of religion or
    religious positions.
    --- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From David Canzi@dmcanzi@uwaterloo.ca to alt.atheism on Sun Jan 11 21:16:37 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.atheism

    On 1/11/26 17:21, Attila wrote:
    On Sun, 11 Jan 2026 14:19:06 -0500, David Canzi
    <dmcanzi@uwaterloo.ca> in alt.atheism with message-id <10k0t3b$2u0f6$1@paganini.bofh.team> wrote:

    On 1/11/26 06:21, Attila wrote:
    On Sat, 10 Jan 2026 16:57:57 -0500, David Canzi
    <dmcanzi@uwaterloo.ca> in alt.atheism with message-id
    <10jui15$2kkcv$1@paganini.bofh.team> wrote:

    Here's a useful thing you might not know you can do on YouTube.
    If you're accessing YouTube through a browser on a computer with
    a physical keyboard, you can watch video one frame at a time.
    Pause the video at the point where you want to watch more closely.
    The ',' key goes to the previous frame. The '.' key goes to the
    next frame. You can try it here:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ou5AhQWTex0

    When the first ICE agent walked to Renee Good's car door, the car's
    front wheels were pointing leftward. She backed up, causing the
    front of her car to swing rightward. While she was backing up,
    she straightened the front wheels.

    No, she cut her wheels to swing the front end of her car to
    the left. This brought her in line to hit the agent. She
    was also ordered to get out of her car, not drive away.

    People can watch the video for themselves and see that your description
    of her handling of her car is not accurate.

    It is accurate. She had been following the agents and
    yelling at them, then blocked traffic with her car for at
    least four minutes. Her girl friend was on her feet yelling
    at the same time. She was clearly told to exit her car but
    instead she tried to drive off, hitting an agent in the
    process.

    Nothing you said after "it is accurate" supports the accuracy of
    your claim that "she cut her wheels to swing the front end of her
    car to the left."

    I see you ignored my questions,

    The randomized signature that appeared at the bottom of my posting
    said "life is too short to point out every mistake", so I decided
    that addressing only the first thing you said that was wrong would
    be enough.

    --- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Mitchell Holman@noemail@aol.com to alt.atheism on Mon Jan 12 02:48:33 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.atheism

    Skeeter <invalid@none.com> wrote in news:MPG.43cdb1286141844098aa5c@usnews.blocknews.net:

    In article <XnsB3D0D3E602932629555@185.151.15.190>,
    noemail@aol.com says...

    David Canzi <dmcanzi@uwaterloo.ca> wrote in news:10jui15$2kkcv$1
    @paganini.bofh.team:

    Here's a useful thing you might not know you can do on YouTube.
    If you're accessing YouTube through a browser on a computer with
    a physical keyboard, you can watch video one frame at a time.
    Pause the video at the point where you want to watch more closely.
    The ',' key goes to the previous frame. The '.' key goes to the
    next frame. You can try it here:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ou5AhQWTex0

    When the first ICE agent walked to Renee Good's car door, the car's
    front wheels were pointing leftward. She backed up, causing the
    front of her car to swing rightward. While she was backing up,
    she straightened the front wheels. When she rolled forward she
    steered rightward, where she would go if she was trying to escape.
    If she had wanted to hit the second ICE agent who was near the
    front left corner of her car, she would have steered leftward.

    Her actions were consistent with trying to escape and not consistent
    with trying to harm the second ICE agent.

    Trump and Noem lied shamelessly about this.

    Nonviolent resistance works when it's used against people who are
    capable of feeling shame. This does not seem to describe the people
    in power in the US.



    Any normal president would urge calm
    and ask the public to wait until the facts
    come out.

    Unlike what the left tells their puppets?


    Can you imagine Clinton responding
    to the OKC bombing by immediately blaming
    Republicans or Bush blaming 9/11 on the
    DNC and radical leftists? Of course not,
    they called for calm and investigation.

    Only Trump jumps on the "blame the
    left" bandwagon after every tragedy, even
    rightists (liker the Trump shooter) are
    behind it.




    But not Trump. She wasn't even cold
    yet before Trump was accusing her of being
    a demostic terrorist, claiming she ran
    over the officer, it was part of Democratic
    plot. Just like with the Trump shooter in 2024,
    when - opps, the perp turned out to be a
    right wing lunatic.

    Did Trump apologize for getting it wrong?

    Of course not..................




    --- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Attila@prochoice@here.now to alt.atheism on Mon Jan 12 06:27:39 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.atheism

    On Sun, 11 Jan 2026 21:16:37 -0500, David Canzi
    <dmcanzi@uwaterloo.ca> in alt.atheism with message-id <10k1li5$34fsg$1@paganini.bofh.team> wrote:

    On 1/11/26 17:21, Attila wrote:
    On Sun, 11 Jan 2026 14:19:06 -0500, David Canzi
    <dmcanzi@uwaterloo.ca> in alt.atheism with message-id
    <10k0t3b$2u0f6$1@paganini.bofh.team> wrote:

    On 1/11/26 06:21, Attila wrote:
    On Sat, 10 Jan 2026 16:57:57 -0500, David Canzi
    <dmcanzi@uwaterloo.ca> in alt.atheism with message-id
    <10jui15$2kkcv$1@paganini.bofh.team> wrote:

    Here's a useful thing you might not know you can do on YouTube.
    If you're accessing YouTube through a browser on a computer with
    a physical keyboard, you can watch video one frame at a time.
    Pause the video at the point where you want to watch more closely.
    The ',' key goes to the previous frame. The '.' key goes to the
    next frame. You can try it here:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ou5AhQWTex0

    When the first ICE agent walked to Renee Good's car door, the car's
    front wheels were pointing leftward. She backed up, causing the
    front of her car to swing rightward. While she was backing up,
    she straightened the front wheels.

    No, she cut her wheels to swing the front end of her car to
    the left. This brought her in line to hit the agent. She
    was also ordered to get out of her car, not drive away.

    People can watch the video for themselves and see that your description
    of her handling of her car is not accurate.

    It is accurate. She had been following the agents and
    yelling at them, then blocked traffic with her car for at
    least four minutes. Her girl friend was on her feet yelling
    at the same time. She was clearly told to exit her car but
    instead she tried to drive off, hitting an agent in the
    process.

    Nothing you said after "it is accurate" supports the accuracy of
    your claim that "she cut her wheels to swing the front end of her
    car to the left."

    I see you ignored my questions,

    The randomized signature that appeared at the bottom of my posting
    said "life is too short to point out every mistake", so I decided
    that addressing only the first thing you said that was wrong would
    be enough.

    Lame.

    I will wait and see what the official investigation yields.
    --


    Every person in the US is here either
    legally or illegally. Those that are
    here illegally should be afraid.
    Be very afraid. It does not matter
    how long you have been here. It does
    not matter why you are here. It does not
    matter what you have done legally while you
    were here. It does not matter what any
    relative may have done while you were here.
    It only matters that you are here illegally.
    It may take a day, a week, a year, or longer
    but we will find you and we will deport you.
    Be prepared.

    Deport them all.

    Due process:
    Q. Are you here legally? If so, where is
    the documentation to establish that?


    All politicians are trained to lie
    and make those lies sound like
    the truth. They start with the biggest
    lie of all: Politicians are public
    servants.

    National Socialist American Workers Party
    (NSAWP) formally known as the Democrat Party

    Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting
    and abhorrent.
    Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

    I support:

    A Constitional Amendment establishing
    the Freedom of Choice.

    The elimination of public expression,
    display or support of religion or
    religious positions.
    --- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From David Canzi@dmcanzi@uwaterloo.ca to alt.atheism on Mon Jan 12 18:29:40 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.atheism

    On 1/12/26 06:27, Attila wrote:
    On Sun, 11 Jan 2026 21:16:37 -0500, David Canzi
    <dmcanzi@uwaterloo.ca> in alt.atheism with message-id <10k1li5$34fsg$1@paganini.bofh.team> wrote:

    On 1/11/26 17:21, Attila wrote:
    On Sun, 11 Jan 2026 14:19:06 -0500, David Canzi
    <dmcanzi@uwaterloo.ca> in alt.atheism with message-id
    <10k0t3b$2u0f6$1@paganini.bofh.team> wrote:

    On 1/11/26 06:21, Attila wrote:
    On Sat, 10 Jan 2026 16:57:57 -0500, David Canzi
    <dmcanzi@uwaterloo.ca> in alt.atheism with message-id
    <10jui15$2kkcv$1@paganini.bofh.team> wrote:

    Here's a useful thing you might not know you can do on YouTube.
    If you're accessing YouTube through a browser on a computer with
    a physical keyboard, you can watch video one frame at a time.
    Pause the video at the point where you want to watch more closely. >>>>>> The ',' key goes to the previous frame. The '.' key goes to the
    next frame. You can try it here:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ou5AhQWTex0

    When the first ICE agent walked to Renee Good's car door, the car's >>>>>> front wheels were pointing leftward. She backed up, causing the
    front of her car to swing rightward. While she was backing up,
    she straightened the front wheels.

    No, she cut her wheels to swing the front end of her car to
    the left. This brought her in line to hit the agent. She
    was also ordered to get out of her car, not drive away.

    People can watch the video for themselves and see that your description >>>> of her handling of her car is not accurate.

    It is accurate. She had been following the agents and
    yelling at them, then blocked traffic with her car for at
    least four minutes. Her girl friend was on her feet yelling
    at the same time. She was clearly told to exit her car but
    instead she tried to drive off, hitting an agent in the
    process.

    Nothing you said after "it is accurate" supports the accuracy of
    your claim that "she cut her wheels to swing the front end of her
    car to the left."

    I see you ignored my questions,

    The randomized signature that appeared at the bottom of my posting
    said "life is too short to point out every mistake", so I decided
    that addressing only the first thing you said that was wrong would
    be enough.

    Lame.

    It only takes one example of you saying something about a video that
    is clearly not true to show that your words can't be trusted, that the
    fact that you said something is not evidence that it's true.

    I will wait and see what the official investigation yields.

    Here's what happened as far as I can figure it out. I'll refer to the
    main characters by their first names. Jonathan walks around the front
    and left side of Renee's car recording video with his cell phone.
    As he walks around the back and right side of the car, Becca taunts him,
    and we hear the ICE agent on the left side ordering Renee to get out
    of the car. Jonathan walks around the front of the car again. Renee
    has backed up and starts rolling forward. The wheels on the left side
    are straight and rolling directly toward Jonathan. Renee steers
    rightward but not fast enough to avoid hitting Jonathan. He is not
    hit hard enough to break bones but he's probably bruised.

    At the moment the car started rolling forward, anybody in Jonathan's
    position would be afraid they were about to die. For this reason,
    I don't think he could be found guilty of murder in a fair trial.

    Just one more thing...

    When he walks behind Renee's car and encounters Becca, he's holding
    the phone in his right hand. While he's walking around the right
    side, with Becca taunting him, he transfers the phone to his left
    hand. I really want to know what was happening in his mind right
    then.
    --
    David Canzi

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  • From Attila@prochoice@here.now to alt.atheism on Tue Jan 13 07:28:36 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.atheism

    On Sat, 10 Jan 2026 16:57:57 -0500, David Canzi
    <dmcanzi@uwaterloo.ca> in alt.atheism with message-id <10jui15$2kkcv$1@paganini.bofh.team> wrote:

    Here's a useful thing you might not know you can do on YouTube.
    If you're accessing YouTube through a browser on a computer with
    a physical keyboard, you can watch video one frame at a time.
    Pause the video at the point where you want to watch more closely.
    The ',' key goes to the previous frame. The '.' key goes to the
    next frame. You can try it here:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ou5AhQWTex0

    When the first ICE agent walked to Renee Good's car door, the car's
    front wheels were pointing leftward. She backed up, causing the
    front of her car to swing rightward. While she was backing up,
    she straightened the front wheels. When she rolled forward she
    steered rightward, where she would go if she was trying to escape.
    If she had wanted to hit the second ICE agent who was near the
    front left corner of her car, she would have steered leftward.

    Her actions were consistent with trying to escape and not consistent
    with trying to harm the second ICE agent.

    Trump and Noem lied shamelessly about this.

    Nonviolent resistance works when it's used against people who are
    capable of feeling shame. This does not seem to describe the people
    in power in the US.

    I will continue to wait and see what the official findings
    are.

    Meanwhile you appear to be reluctant to address some of the
    other items involved:

    Do you think people who violate laws should be held
    accountable?

    Do you think anyone should be able to pick and choose what
    laws they should obey?

    How have ICE agents "torn families apart" other than to
    arrest members for violating federal law?

    Do you understand the federal laws that make the physical
    presence of an alien without legal status a violation of
    that law? Do you understand this is not conditional upon
    any other factor?
    --


    Every person in the US is here either
    legally or illegally. Those that are
    here illegally should be afraid.
    Be very afraid. It does not matter
    how long you have been here. It does
    not matter why you are here. It does not
    matter what you have done legally while you
    were here. It does not matter what any
    relative may have done while you were here.
    It only matters that you are here illegally.
    It may take a day, a week, a year, or longer
    but we will find you and we will deport you.
    Be prepared.

    Deport them all.

    Due process:
    Q. Are you here legally? If so, where is
    the documentation to establish that?


    All politicians are trained to lie
    and make those lies sound like
    the truth. They start with the biggest
    lie of all: Politicians are public
    servants.

    National Socialist American Workers Party
    (NSAWP) formally known as the Democrat Party

    Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting
    and abhorrent.
    Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

    I support:

    A Constitional Amendment establishing
    the Freedom of Choice.

    The elimination of public expression,
    display or support of religion or
    religious positions.
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