On 1/7/26 9:05 AM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
The proof that JTEM deleted.
They were already gone. I snipped nothing.
"carbon dioxide is
Again...
Normal people: It's fake science.
-aTo: JTEM
-aRe: Re: Gwobull Warbling: Follow the money
-aBy: JTEM to alt.global-warming,alt.atheism,sci.skeptic on Wed Jan 07
2026 02:08 pm
Atmosphere.
What is the key? Atmosphere.
What isn't the key?-a The presence of CO2.
You're excessively religious, your unwavering faith in
the Greta Gospels...
The reaction of CO2 to long and short wave radiation has been known
since at least 1856. That experiment is easy to reproduce. put a
cylinder of air and a cylinder of CO2 in the sun. The CO2 cylinder will
heat up more than the cylinder with normal mixture of air.
There are many you can do at home by yourself. You can argue with
physics all you want. But it is demonstrably correct.
Shortwave radiation (sunlight) passes through most gases. The sunlight
hit the ground and is reflected as longwave radiation. Like what a stove burner emits. Our aptmosphere consists of many gases like oxygen,
nitrogen, water vapors, and CO2. Most of these allow a much easier
passing of longwave radiation. But CO2 getting hit by longwave radiation vibrates more. And vibration is heat. So the aptmosephere heats up more
with more CO2. This is not disputed science.
The usual next argument is in the part per million representation of
CO2. Pre industry was around 280 ppm. Now it is 430 ppm. 430 out a
million seems super small. And 280 to 430, while it is doubling, seems nothing in a million total. But, the importance of this can be easily demonstrated. Take a fish tank, and add 280 ppm of ink. Then extend it
to 430. The tank gets immensly darker. This is effectivly what is
happening in the aptmosphere. If your vision was based on longwave
raiation, it would be visible to you.
So this is all super super super basic science. Demonstrable and
testable by you yourself.
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Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote:
A greenhouse gas (GHG) is a gas in Earth's atmosphere that
traps heat, acting like the glass in a greenhouse to keep
the planet warm enough to support life by absorbing and
re-radiating infrared energy (heat) emitted from the
surface,
Not completely true. The "greenhouse effect" in a real greenhouse is
when IR radiated from inside the warm greenhouse is reflected by the
glass back into the greenhouse. CO2 retains the earth's heat not by >reflecting IR radiated by the earth, but by absorption and re-emission
of the IR in all directions, including down.
Reflection and absorption/re-emission are 2 different things.
Whether it's a popular misconception or inane detail, calling the CO2
effect "greenhouse warming" is misleading.
Now you will be in the know when others babble. YWIA.
with major examples including Carbon Dioxide (CO2),
Methane (CH4), and Nitrous Oxide (N2O), released by both
natural processes and human activities like burning fossil
fuels and agriculture.
PS. It's good manners to include attributions for material you
copy-n-paste.
"carbon dioxide is a greenhouse gas"
Our atmosphere is made up of individual gasses.
Some of
these are greenhouse gasses and some are not.
You really need to make up your mind!-a You claim (correctly) that water vapor is a greenhouse gas that is far more potent than carbon dioxide
On 1/7/26 2:44 PM, Dawn Flood wrote:
You really need to make up your mind!-a You claim (correctly) that
water vapor is a greenhouse gas that is far more potent than carbon
dioxide
You're an idiot, you need overly simplistic answers, but again it's
about the atmosphere. Venus has a very thick atmosphere. Mercy has practically no atmosphere.
Nowhere in the above does CO2 come into play.
AND, water doesn't stop being a climate driver if it's not in the
atmosphere. Nice France average maybe 20F warmer in December than
does Toronto Canada, even though they're both about as far north...
Wow. "Climate HARD! Let's go shopping!"
Shut off the tv. Get off social media. Take some time off and learn
to think for yourself.
I'm still not getting it, so sorry!-a Let's try this hypothetical -- if Venus' atmosphere were 100% CO2 and nothing else, what would the
temperature at its surface be?
On 1/7/26 9:28 PM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
"carbon dioxide is a greenhouse gas"
You can keep repeating the lies or you can start investigating
why they are called lies.
CO2 was maybe TWICE AS HIGH back when Antarctica froze over.
And it was significantly lower during the last interglacial,
when Neanderthals ruled Europe and temperatures were about
2C higher and sea level was 16 feet above present levels...
Wow. A look at the actual climate record and CO2 is pretty
irrelevant. Yet, you look at things that never happened, aren't
supposed to happen for 10 to 100 years, and can clearly see
these things?
You're insane. You're not just stupid, you're not just gullible
you're insane.
You know more about chemistry than NASA and MIT.
A study in 2020 estimated that the average global temperature during the warmest 200 year period of the HCO, around 6,500 years ago, was around
0.7 -#C warmer than the mean for nineteenth century AD, immediately
before the Industrial Revolution, and /0.3 -#C cooler than the average
for 2011rCo2019/
On 1/8/26 1:02 PM, Dawn Flood wrote:
I'm still not getting it, so sorry!-a Let's try this hypothetical -- if
Venus' atmosphere were 100% CO2 and nothing else, what would the
temperature at its surface be?
You're still not getting it, because you're a narcissists so even
if & when you come to terms with being wrong you'll just tell
yourself you're saying this shit cus you're so freaking clever...
Anyway, Mercury has an atmosphere. Not much of one. The earth has
an atmosphere. No, it's not about having an atmosphere of THIS or
THAT, Venus has a very dense atmosphere.
-a-a-a ...so a thin atmosphere like Mercury's but composed entirely
of CO2?-a It still loses it's heat at night.
On 1/7/26 5:03 PM, Attila wrote:
Our atmosphere is made up of individual gasses.
And that's pretty much irrelevant. It's like crushing
someone under a thousand pounds of weight and then
"Arguing" that the weight is comprised of many different
objects, and none of them weigh more than 8 pounds so
it's not that heavy...
Some of
these are greenhouse gasses and some are not.
CO2 is not a greenhouse gas.
What warms the earth is water.
Most of the sun's energy falls along the equator. Much
of it is absorbed by the water, which is why it's water
and not "Ice."
Ocean currents carry this energy, redistribute it across
the earth. This is why the formation of the Circumpolar
Current around Antarctica caused it to freeze over, despite
is being a lot warmer back then, or why the formation of
the Isthmus of Panama, changing ocean currents, kicked off
the Quaternary Period and our present Ice Age.
The planet isn't warm. The climate is not and never has
been stagnant. Everything about your precious Gwobull
Warbling is fake.
On 1/7/26 9:28 PM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
"carbon dioxide is a greenhouse gas"
You can keep repeating the lies or you can start investigating
why they are called lies.
CO2 was maybe TWICE AS HIGH back when Antarctica froze over.
And it was significantly lower during the last interglacial,
when Neanderthals ruled Europe and temperatures were about
2C higher and sea level was 16 feet above present levels...
Wow. A look at the actual climate record and CO2 is pretty
irrelevant. Yet, you look at things that never happened, aren't
supposed to happen for 10 to 100 years, and can clearly see
these things?
You're insane. You're not just stupid, you're not just gullible
you're insane.
On 1/8/26 1:39 PM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
You know more about chemistry than NASA and MIT.
NASA is a government agency. It carries out policy, doesn't
make it, and MIT never turns down money.
NASA, btw, says that CO2 stays in the atmosphere for 300
to a thousand years. Which means that 100% of all the CO2
released during the Industrial Revolution is still up
there, and even if we ceased all energy production humans
would be emitting more than twice as much CO2 as when
the Gwobull Warbling myth claims that AGW started... just
from us exhaling.
In other words, you're so incompetent, so intensely stupid
that you cited the proof that your CO2 narrative is fake,
and think it proves how real it is...
On Wed, 07 Jan 2026 14:45:21 -0800, Samuel Spade
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote:
A greenhouse gas (GHG) is a gas in Earth's atmosphere that
traps heat, acting like the glass in a greenhouse to keep
the planet warm enough to support life by absorbing and
re-radiating infrared energy (heat) emitted from the
surface,
Not completely true. The "greenhouse effect" in a real greenhouse is
when IR radiated from inside the warm greenhouse is reflected by the
glass back into the greenhouse. CO2 retains the earth's heat not by >reflecting IR radiated by the earth, but by absorption and re-emission
of the IR in all directions, including down.
Reflection and absorption/re-emission are 2 different things.
Whether it's a popular misconception or inane detail, calling the CO2 >effect "greenhouse warming" is misleading.
Now you will be in the know when others babble. YWIA.
with major examples including Carbon Dioxide (CO2),
Methane (CH4), and Nitrous Oxide (N2O), released by both
natural processes and human activities like burning fossil
fuels and agriculture.
PS. It's good manners to include attributions for material you >copy-n-paste.
It was an IA comment from Google. There is no actual source
to attribute. It had better wording than I could create.
I never said that ws the total Greenhouse Effect.
It was in response to:
"CO2 is not a "Gre
A part you clipped.
So MIT is private and thus corrupted,
On Thu, 8 Jan 2026 11:13:41 -0500, JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com>
in alt.atheism with message-id
<10jol3l$1kvl0$1@dont-email.me> wrote:
On 1/7/26 9:28 PM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
"carbon dioxide is a greenhouse gas"
You can keep repeating the lies or you can start investigating
why they are called lies.
CO2 was maybe TWICE AS HIGH back when Antarctica froze over.
And it was significantly lower during the last interglacial,
when Neanderthals ruled Europe and temperatures were about
2C higher and sea level was 16 feet above present levels...
Wow. A look at the actual climate record and CO2 is pretty
irrelevant. Yet, you look at things that never happened, aren't
supposed to happen for 10 to 100 years, and can clearly see
these things?
You're insane. You're not just stupid, you're not just gullible
you're insane.
Just a run-of-the-mill roll.
On Thu, 8 Jan 2026 11:20:12 -0500, JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com>
in alt.atheism with message-id
<10jolft$1kvl0$2@dont-email.me> wrote:
On 1/7/26 5:03 PM, Attila wrote:
Our atmosphere is made up of individual gasses.
And that's pretty much irrelevant. It's like crushing
someone under a thousand pounds of weight and then
"Arguing" that the weight is comprised of many different
objects, and none of them weigh more than 8 pounds so
it's not that heavy...
Not when the makeup of those gases is the subject.
CO2 is not a greenhouse gas.
The definition disagrees with you.
You didn't answer my question
On 1/8/26 6:11 PM, Attila wrote:
On Thu, 8 Jan 2026 11:13:41 -0500, JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com>
in alt.atheism with message-id
<10jol3l$1kvl0$1@dont-email.me> wrote:
On 1/7/26 9:28 PM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
"carbon dioxide is a greenhouse gas"
You can keep repeating the lies or you can start investigating
why they are called lies.
CO2 was maybe TWICE AS HIGH back when Antarctica froze over.
And it was significantly lower during the last interglacial,
when Neanderthals ruled Europe and temperatures were about
2C higher and sea level was 16 feet above present levels...
Wow. A look at the actual climate record and CO2 is pretty
irrelevant. Yet, you look at things that never happened, aren't
supposed to happen for 10 to 100 years, and can clearly see
these things?
You're insane. You're not just stupid, you're not just gullible
you're insane.
Just a run-of-the-mill roll.
Which means... what?
"It's safe to believe bullshit because I said roll!"
Troll
On 1/8/26 5:23 PM, Dawn Flood wrote:
You didn't answer my question
You are a narcissist, and a not at all bright one, trying to
avoid acknowledgment of their stupid mistakes.
YOUR examples of mercury & venus point to the ATMOSPHERE
ITSELF, not to any specific type of gas. Change mercury
to a 100% CO2 atmosphere and it still sheds it's heat at
night -- the atmosphere is way too thin
HINT:-a Mar's atmosphere is about 950,000 parts per million.
The earths atmosphere is claimed to be 428 parts per million.
Mars:-a 950,000 ppm.
Earth:-a 428 ppm
Which is warmer?
Go on, guess.
On 1/9/2026 6:23 AM, JTEM wrote:
Mars:-a 950,000 ppm.
Earth:-a 428 ppm
Which is warmer?
Go on, guess.
It varies; some parts of Mars do get to room temperatures (22C).
On 1/9/26 9:00 PM, Dawn Flood wrote:
On 1/9/2026 6:23 AM, JTEM wrote:
Mars:-a 950,000 ppm.
Earth:-a 428 ppm
Which is warmer?
Go on, guess.
It varies; some parts of Mars do get to room temperatures (22C).
So CO2 is such an all powerful greenhouse gas, literally dictating
our climate, that 428 ppm is enough to set forests ablaze but
950,000 ppm results in room temperature...
Yes, folks, another "Ah, science!" moment for you to enjoy.
You can look this up.-a Fact is that Mars has a greenhouse effect,
albeit, a small one, as its atmosphere is only 1% that of our World.
-aDawn Flood wrote:
You can look this up.-a Fact is that Mars has a greenhouse effect,
albeit, a small one, as its atmosphere is only 1% that of our World.
You've got be trolling because NOBODY can be as stupid as you!
Mars and Venus have roughly the same percentage of CO2 in their
atmosphere, and you "Testify" that Mars maybe peaks at room
temperature!
Earth has AN EXAGGERATED 428 ppm of CO2. And it is in no uncertain
terms exaggerated -- IT'S NEVER UNIFORM!-a It's not the same
everywhere. And the official figures come from a volcanic island
chain!
So "Officially" 428 ppm, and that's exaggerated.
Mars = 950,000 ppm.
And you say that its temperatures peak has high as room
temperature here on earth.
On 1/12/2026 2:05 PM, JTEM wrote:
Earth has AN EXAGGERATED 428 ppm of CO2. And it is in no uncertain
terms exaggerated -- IT'S NEVER UNIFORM!-a It's not the same
everywhere. And the official figures come from a volcanic island
chain!
So "Officially" 428 ppm, and that's exaggerated.
Mars = 950,000 ppm.
And you say that its temperatures peak has high as room
temperature here on earth.
It does!
On 12/26/25 6:52 PM, dart200 wrote:
A study in 2020 estimated that the average global temperature during
the warmest 200 year period of the HCO, around 6,500 years ago, was
around 0.7 -#C warmer than the mean for nineteenth century AD,
immediately before the Industrial Revolution, and /0.3 -#C cooler than
the average for 2011rCo2019/
Well Google it. Because everything you just said is bullshit, and not
just the fact that The Little Ice Age ended in the 19th century so
it's cherry picking a very low "low point."
https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/journal-of-glaciology/article/ effect-of-a-holocene-climatic-optimum-on-the-evolution-of-the-greenland- ice-sheet-during-the-last-10-kyr/1B273853FF3CE712602B3AA90A0E57DB
Suck it, princess!
when annual mean surface temperatures in Greenland were 2rCo3-#C warmer
than present-day values
nothing better to do eh???--
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