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Wasn't created. Always was and always will be.

Infinite in space and time, with no bounds or limits.

Includes everything, so there can be only one.

No God.
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On 29/08/2025 5:12 am, casagiannoni@optonline.net wrote:

Wasn't created. Always was and always will be.

Infinite in space and time, with no bounds or limits.

Includes everything, so there can be only one.

No God.

Correct. Now cue all the usual fairytale nonsense eg big bang, multi
verses, black holes, alien visitors, human colonization of other planets
blah blah
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Le 2025-08-29 |a 01:57, Whisper a |-crit-a:

On 29/08/2025 5:12 am, casagiannoni@optonline.net wrote:

Wasn't created. Always was and always will be.

Infinite in space and time, with no bounds or limits.

Includes everything, so there can be only one.

No God.

Correct.-a Now cue all the usual fairytale nonsense eg big bang, multi verses, black holes, alien visitors, human colonization of other planets blah blah

Big Bang : Really started. The singularity may have been there for ever
until something triggered it's rapid expansion. The model made several predictions that have been confirmed. The model really work.
Whatever was before T0 is outside of our reach as any information about
that time have been irrevocably scrambled.

Black holes : VERY real. Observed. Or, rather the effect they have on
their surrounding, their collisions.

Human colonization of other planets : Probably NOT within out live
times, but maybe in a few centuries. Still the stuff of science fiction,
but, for how long ?

Multiverse : An hypothesis with some speculation. Currently no
supporting evidence, but also not disproved. NOT impossible.

Alien visitors : Agree, fairy tales.
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On 30/08/2025 12:21 am, Kualinar wrote:

Le 2025-08-29 |a 01:57, Whisper a |-crit-a:

On 29/08/2025 5:12 am, casagiannoni@optonline.net wrote:

Wasn't created. Always was and always will be.

Infinite in space and time, with no bounds or limits.

Includes everything, so there can be only one.

No God.

Correct.-a Now cue all the usual fairytale nonsense eg big bang, multi
verses, black holes, alien visitors, human colonization of other
planets blah blah

Big Bang : Really started. The singularity may have been there for ever until something triggered it's rapid expansion. The model made several predictions that have been confirmed. The model really work.

Nope, absolute rubbish. I'm stunned grown men believe this nonsense.
Think about seriously.

Whatever was before T0 is outside of our reach as any information about
that time have been irrevocably scrambled.

Black holes : VERY real. Observed. Or, rather the effect they have on
their surrounding, their collisions.

Human colonization of other planets : Probably NOT within out live
times, but maybe in a few centuries. Still the stuff of science fiction, but, for how long ?

Forever, because some sci fi is actually impossible. Humans are very
fragile, we drop dead of heat exhaustion on a mild day. To even
contemplate we'd survive on other star systems is dumb beyond belief.

Multiverse : An hypothesis with some speculation. Currently no
supporting evidence, but also not disproved. NOT impossible.

The idea is moronic. Can't happen.

Alien visitors : Agree, fairy tales.

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On 8/28/25 22:57, Whisper wrote:

On 29/08/2025 5:12 am, casagiannoni@optonline.net wrote:

Wasn't created. Always was and always will be.

Infinite in space and time, with no bounds or limits.

Includes everything, so there can be only one.

No God.

Correct.-a Now cue all the usual fairytale nonsense eg big bang, multi verses, black holes, alien visitors, human colonization of other planets blah blah

Would the two of you ("casagiannoni" and "Whisper") please
contact Wikipedia to contest their teachings on this matter.
They do have an appeals process and accept challenges.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universe
The universe is all of space and time[a] and their contents.[9] It
comprises all of existence, any fundamental interaction, physical
process and physical constant, and therefore all forms of matter and
energy, and the structures they form, from sub-atomic particles to
entire galactic filaments. Since the early 20th century, the field of cosmology establishes that space and time emerged together at the Big
Bang 13.787-#0.020 billion years ago[10] and that the universe has been expanding since then. The portion of the universe that can be seen by
humans is approximately 93 billion light-years in diameter at present,
but the total size of the universe is not known.[3]

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On 31/08/2025 1:16 am, a425couple wrote:

On 8/28/25 22:57, Whisper wrote:

On 29/08/2025 5:12 am, casagiannoni@optonline.net wrote:

Wasn't created. Always was and always will be.

Infinite in space and time, with no bounds or limits.

Includes everything, so there can be only one.

No God.

Correct.-a Now cue all the usual fairytale nonsense eg big bang, multi
verses, black holes, alien visitors, human colonization of other
planets blah blah

Would the two of you ("casagiannoni" and "Whisper") please
contact Wikipedia to contest their teachings on this matter.
They do have an appeals process and accept challenges.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universe
The universe is all of space and time[a] and their contents.[9] It
comprises all of existence, any fundamental interaction, physical
process and physical constant, and therefore all forms of matter and
energy, and the structures they form, from sub-atomic particles to
entire galactic filaments. Since the early 20th century, the field of cosmology establishes that space and time emerged together at the Big
Bang 13.787-#0.020 billion years ago[10] and that the universe has been expanding since then. The portion of the universe that can be seen by
humans is approximately 93 billion light-years in diameter at present,
but the total size of the universe is not known.[3]

Why contact them when they can't prove anything?
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Le 2025-08-31 |a 05:15, Whisper a |-crit-a:

On 31/08/2025 1:16 am, a425couple wrote:

On 8/28/25 22:57, Whisper wrote:

On 29/08/2025 5:12 am, casagiannoni@optonline.net wrote:

Wasn't created. Always was and always will be.

Infinite in space and time, with no bounds or limits.

Includes everything, so there can be only one.

No God.

Correct.-a Now cue all the usual fairytale nonsense eg big bang, multi
verses, black holes, alien visitors, human colonization of other
planets blah blah

Would the two of you ("casagiannoni" and "Whisper") please
contact Wikipedia to contest their teachings on this matter.
They do have an appeals process and accept challenges.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universe
The universe is all of space and time[a] and their contents.[9] It
comprises all of existence, any fundamental interaction, physical
process and physical constant, and therefore all forms of matter and
energy, and the structures they form, from sub-atomic particles to
entire galactic filaments. Since the early 20th century, the field of
cosmology establishes that space and time emerged together at the Big
Bang 13.787-#0.020 billion years ago[10] and that the universe has been
expanding since then. The portion of the universe that can be seen by
humans is approximately 93 billion light-years in diameter at present,
but the total size of the universe is not known.[3]

Why contact them when they can't prove anything?

In science, you don't prove things. You look at a model and try to
DISPROVE it. You look at a model and you ask : What prediction does that
model make, what should we expect from that model ?

So far, nobody have been able to disprove the current cosmological model.
So far, most of it's predictions have been observed. Every confirmed prediction SUPPORT, not prove but support, the model. Not being able to observe a prediction DO NOT disprove the model. It just say that we
currently can't detect something.
The theory of relativity predicted the gravity waves. For over 60 years,
we where unable to detect them, we now detect them almost every day.
The cosmological model predicted the microwave cosmological background.
We detected it.
The cosmological model predicted the barionic oscillation. We can now
observe their effect.

BUT, for you, a theory is a guess. What you call a theory is what
scientists call an hypothesis. That's NOT what a scientific theory is. A scientific theory is our best description and explanation for something.
We start by some facts obtained thru observation. Then come some
hypothesis. We test the hypothesis. From those tests, we derive some
natural laws. We make some more hypothesis. By testing those laws and
the derived hypothesis, we eventually develop and propose a theory.
Then, we test and challenge the theory, we attempt to destroy the
theory. When new information is found, we adjust the theory to account
for those new knowledge, we refine the theory.

You merrily ignore all that. You have your idea that is NOT grounded
upon anything reality related. An idea from your personal incredulity
and lack of understanding.

Reality is under NO obligation to make sense to you.
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casagiannoni@optonline.net wrote:

Wasn't created.

We do not know that.

Our universe could be the result of a cosmological experiment done by
lifeforms so far advanced from us that we would never comprehend them and
could consider them gods (after all, they could create universes which so
far we cannot).

It could also be a computer simulation developed by such lifeforms; again,
if the simulation were sufficiently advanced; if, for example, there would
be programming that actively prevented us from finding out that we were part
of a simulation (which is reasonable to do; you might not want the
simulation to be influenced from the outside), we could never find that out.

Always was and always will be.

We do not know that because currently there is no scientific theory that
can describe the state of our universe when its (observed) expansion began,
and no experiment that can reproduce those conditions (with the LHC we only
get to a collision energy of 13.6 TeV now; using E = k_B T, and calculating from cosmological models an initial universal temperature of or above the Planck temperature (=~ 10^31 K) at the Planck time (=~ 10^-43 s), we would
need a collision energy on the order or in excess of 10^15 TeV.

Also, we do not know that because although in the current Standard Model of cosmology the Dark Energy density is constant, which would lead to an exponential expansion that never ends; but recent observations indicate that that might not be so, which would allow for either a Big Rip or a Big Crunch
as well:

<https://cerncourier.com/desi-hints-at-evolving-dark-energy/>

Infinite in space and time, with no bounds or limits.

We do not know that.

While our universe appears to be spatially flat (i.e. large-scale triangles have an inner angle sum of 180-# everywhere), this could just be a
measurement problem: a curvature k so close to zero that we cannot detect it within our observable universe (just like some people think that Terra would
be flat because they never traveled on it far enough, or never looked at it from far enough above sea level).

A flat universe or one with negative scalar curvature (k < 0, hyperbolic, shaped like a saddle) could be (AIUI) either finite and bounded, or infinite and unbounded; a universe with positive curvature (k > 0) would be finite in extent but unbounded (if you could travel far enough fast enough, you could
end up where you started; like you can travel on Terra in just one
direction, go around the planet, and end up where you started).

Includes everything, so there can be only one.

We do not know that either. Our universe could be one of several, perhaps infinitely many, in a larger structure that we call (for obvious reasons)
"the multiverse".

Or we might have to update our understanding of what "universe" means: It
could be that our observable universe is so different from parts of our universe that we cannot (ever) observe (given its expansion), that we should restrict the definition of "our universe" to that region, and consider the other regions separate universes, with what we previously thought to be our entire universe to be considered now the multiverse.

See also my playlist of *reviewed* YouTube videos on the subject:

<https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL41EYJuJ5YuCz2kzSgrgVIiGVTHxZn-Cu&si=YVGvuE7YAU2cn6Yq>

No God.

We do not know that; see above.
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Whisper wrote:

On 29/08/2025 5:12 am, casagiannoni@optonline.net wrote:

Wasn't created. Always was and always will be.

Infinite in space and time, with no bounds or limits.

Includes everything, so there can be only one.

No God.

Correct.

No. We do not know any of that to be true.

Now cue all the usual fairytale nonsense eg big bang,

The Big Bang is the ongoing, *observed* expansion of our universe.

multi verses,

The _multiverse_ is a *theoretical* *possibility*.

black holes,

Black holes have been *observed*.

alien visitors,

There is no evidence for that. This idea has a completely different quality than the ideas you mentioned before.

However, it is very unlikely that intelligent life (or life that thinks of
it as intelligent) only developed on one planet out of (statistically now)
on the order of 10^23 in our observable universe.

human colonization of other planets

A distinct future possibility, and if you think about it a bit more,
literally *vital* for the continued *peaceful* *survival* of humanity.
(A planet can only support so many lifeforms, so an ever uncontrolled-increasing human population on it is not sustainable; also the planet/humanity is at risk to be destroyed by astronomical events, such as asteroid impacts and eventually the planet will be destroyed by the
expansion of its star to a red giant.)

<https://academic.oup.com/mnras/article/386/1/155/977315>
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Kualinar wrote:

Le 2025-08-29 |a 01:57, Whisper a |-crit-a:

On 29/08/2025 5:12 am, casagiannoni@optonline.net wrote:

Wasn't created. Always was and always will be.

Infinite in space and time, with no bounds or limits.

Includes everything, so there can be only one.

No God.

Correct.-a Now cue all the usual fairytale nonsense eg big bang, multi
verses, black holes, alien visitors, human colonization of other planets
blah blah

Big Bang : Really started.

Correctly worded, because the Big Bang is the *ongoing* expansion of our universe.

The singularity may have been there for ever

There was no literal physical singularity. That is merely a mathematical artifact of general relativity, namely when you assume that a(t = 0) = 0.
[Then the Kretschmann scalar of the FLRW metric becomes singular, so there
is no coordinate transformation to avoid that.] But there is no good
physical reason to do that.

Whatever was before T0 is outside of our reach as any information about
that time have been irrevocably scrambled.

You mean t = 0, where t is cosmological time. However, currently we cannot even know what could have been before t =~ 10^-43 s, and we cannot observe
what has been before t =~ 378'000 a when the CMB was produced (although gravitational-wave astronomy could help there).

Black holes : VERY real. Observed. Or, rather the effect they have on
their surrounding, their collisions.

Black holes have been observed directly since 2019:

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Event_Horizon_Telescope#Published_images>

Human colonization of other planets : Probably NOT within out live
times,

_lifetimes_

but maybe in a few centuries. Still the stuff of science fiction,
but, for how long ?

ACK.
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