• Universe :

    From casagiannoni@casagiannoni@optonline.net to alt.astronomy on Thu Aug 28 15:12:46 2025
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    Wasn't created. Always was and always will be.

    Infinite in space and time, with no bounds or limits.

    Includes everything, so there can be only one.

    No God.
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  • From Whisper@whisper@ozemail.com.au to alt.astronomy on Fri Aug 29 15:57:22 2025
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    On 29/08/2025 5:12 am, casagiannoni@optonline.net wrote:
    Wasn't created. Always was and always will be.

    Infinite in space and time, with no bounds or limits.

    Includes everything, so there can be only one.

    No God.


    Correct. Now cue all the usual fairytale nonsense eg big bang, multi
    verses, black holes, alien visitors, human colonization of other planets
    blah blah
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  • From Kualinar@kuakinar@videotron.ca to alt.astronomy on Fri Aug 29 10:21:50 2025
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    Le 2025-08-29 |a 01:57, Whisper a |-crit-a:
    On 29/08/2025 5:12 am, casagiannoni@optonline.net wrote:
    Wasn't created. Always was and always will be.

    Infinite in space and time, with no bounds or limits.

    Includes everything, so there can be only one.

    No God.


    Correct.-a Now cue all the usual fairytale nonsense eg big bang, multi verses, black holes, alien visitors, human colonization of other planets blah blah

    Big Bang : Really started. The singularity may have been there for ever
    until something triggered it's rapid expansion. The model made several predictions that have been confirmed. The model really work.
    Whatever was before T0 is outside of our reach as any information about
    that time have been irrevocably scrambled.

    Black holes : VERY real. Observed. Or, rather the effect they have on
    their surrounding, their collisions.

    Human colonization of other planets : Probably NOT within out live
    times, but maybe in a few centuries. Still the stuff of science fiction,
    but, for how long ?

    Multiverse : An hypothesis with some speculation. Currently no
    supporting evidence, but also not disproved. NOT impossible.

    Alien visitors : Agree, fairy tales.
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  • From Whisper@whisper@ozemail.com.au to alt.astronomy on Sat Aug 30 02:17:04 2025
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    On 30/08/2025 12:21 am, Kualinar wrote:
    Le 2025-08-29 |a 01:57, Whisper a |-crit-a:
    On 29/08/2025 5:12 am, casagiannoni@optonline.net wrote:
    Wasn't created. Always was and always will be.

    Infinite in space and time, with no bounds or limits.

    Includes everything, so there can be only one.

    No God.


    Correct.-a Now cue all the usual fairytale nonsense eg big bang, multi
    verses, black holes, alien visitors, human colonization of other
    planets blah blah

    Big Bang : Really started. The singularity may have been there for ever until something triggered it's rapid expansion. The model made several predictions that have been confirmed. The model really work.


    Nope, absolute rubbish. I'm stunned grown men believe this nonsense.
    Think about seriously.


    Whatever was before T0 is outside of our reach as any information about
    that time have been irrevocably scrambled.

    Black holes : VERY real. Observed. Or, rather the effect they have on
    their surrounding, their collisions.

    Human colonization of other planets : Probably NOT within out live
    times, but maybe in a few centuries. Still the stuff of science fiction, but, for how long ?



    Forever, because some sci fi is actually impossible. Humans are very
    fragile, we drop dead of heat exhaustion on a mild day. To even
    contemplate we'd survive on other star systems is dumb beyond belief.


    Multiverse : An hypothesis with some speculation. Currently no
    supporting evidence, but also not disproved. NOT impossible.


    The idea is moronic. Can't happen.


    Alien visitors : Agree, fairy tales.

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  • From a425couple@a425couple@hotmail.com to alt.astronomy on Sat Aug 30 08:16:35 2025
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    On 8/28/25 22:57, Whisper wrote:
    On 29/08/2025 5:12 am, casagiannoni@optonline.net wrote:
    Wasn't created. Always was and always will be.

    Infinite in space and time, with no bounds or limits.

    Includes everything, so there can be only one.

    No God.


    Correct.-a Now cue all the usual fairytale nonsense eg big bang, multi verses, black holes, alien visitors, human colonization of other planets blah blah

    Would the two of you ("casagiannoni" and "Whisper") please
    contact Wikipedia to contest their teachings on this matter.
    They do have an appeals process and accept challenges.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universe
    The universe is all of space and time[a] and their contents.[9] It
    comprises all of existence, any fundamental interaction, physical
    process and physical constant, and therefore all forms of matter and
    energy, and the structures they form, from sub-atomic particles to
    entire galactic filaments. Since the early 20th century, the field of cosmology establishes that space and time emerged together at the Big
    Bang 13.787-#0.020 billion years ago[10] and that the universe has been expanding since then. The portion of the universe that can be seen by
    humans is approximately 93 billion light-years in diameter at present,
    but the total size of the universe is not known.[3]

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  • From Whisper@whisper@ozemail.com.au to alt.astronomy on Sun Aug 31 19:15:52 2025
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    On 31/08/2025 1:16 am, a425couple wrote:
    On 8/28/25 22:57, Whisper wrote:
    On 29/08/2025 5:12 am, casagiannoni@optonline.net wrote:
    Wasn't created. Always was and always will be.

    Infinite in space and time, with no bounds or limits.

    Includes everything, so there can be only one.

    No God.


    Correct.-a Now cue all the usual fairytale nonsense eg big bang, multi
    verses, black holes, alien visitors, human colonization of other
    planets blah blah

    Would the two of you ("casagiannoni" and "Whisper") please
    contact Wikipedia to contest their teachings on this matter.
    They do have an appeals process and accept challenges.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universe
    The universe is all of space and time[a] and their contents.[9] It
    comprises all of existence, any fundamental interaction, physical
    process and physical constant, and therefore all forms of matter and
    energy, and the structures they form, from sub-atomic particles to
    entire galactic filaments. Since the early 20th century, the field of cosmology establishes that space and time emerged together at the Big
    Bang 13.787-#0.020 billion years ago[10] and that the universe has been expanding since then. The portion of the universe that can be seen by
    humans is approximately 93 billion light-years in diameter at present,
    but the total size of the universe is not known.[3]



    Why contact them when they can't prove anything?
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  • From Kualinar@kuakinar@videotron.ca to alt.astronomy on Mon Sep 1 12:46:34 2025
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    Le 2025-08-31 |a 05:15, Whisper a |-crit-a:
    On 31/08/2025 1:16 am, a425couple wrote:
    On 8/28/25 22:57, Whisper wrote:
    On 29/08/2025 5:12 am, casagiannoni@optonline.net wrote:
    Wasn't created. Always was and always will be.

    Infinite in space and time, with no bounds or limits.

    Includes everything, so there can be only one.

    No God.


    Correct.-a Now cue all the usual fairytale nonsense eg big bang, multi
    verses, black holes, alien visitors, human colonization of other
    planets blah blah

    Would the two of you ("casagiannoni" and "Whisper") please
    contact Wikipedia to contest their teachings on this matter.
    They do have an appeals process and accept challenges.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universe
    The universe is all of space and time[a] and their contents.[9] It
    comprises all of existence, any fundamental interaction, physical
    process and physical constant, and therefore all forms of matter and
    energy, and the structures they form, from sub-atomic particles to
    entire galactic filaments. Since the early 20th century, the field of
    cosmology establishes that space and time emerged together at the Big
    Bang 13.787-#0.020 billion years ago[10] and that the universe has been
    expanding since then. The portion of the universe that can be seen by
    humans is approximately 93 billion light-years in diameter at present,
    but the total size of the universe is not known.[3]



    Why contact them when they can't prove anything?

    In science, you don't prove things. You look at a model and try to
    DISPROVE it. You look at a model and you ask : What prediction does that
    model make, what should we expect from that model ?

    So far, nobody have been able to disprove the current cosmological model.
    So far, most of it's predictions have been observed. Every confirmed prediction SUPPORT, not prove but support, the model. Not being able to observe a prediction DO NOT disprove the model. It just say that we
    currently can't detect something.
    The theory of relativity predicted the gravity waves. For over 60 years,
    we where unable to detect them, we now detect them almost every day.
    The cosmological model predicted the microwave cosmological background.
    We detected it.
    The cosmological model predicted the barionic oscillation. We can now
    observe their effect.

    BUT, for you, a theory is a guess. What you call a theory is what
    scientists call an hypothesis. That's NOT what a scientific theory is. A scientific theory is our best description and explanation for something.
    We start by some facts obtained thru observation. Then come some
    hypothesis. We test the hypothesis. From those tests, we derive some
    natural laws. We make some more hypothesis. By testing those laws and
    the derived hypothesis, we eventually develop and propose a theory.
    Then, we test and challenge the theory, we attempt to destroy the
    theory. When new information is found, we adjust the theory to account
    for those new knowledge, we refine the theory.

    You merrily ignore all that. You have your idea that is NOT grounded
    upon anything reality related. An idea from your personal incredulity
    and lack of understanding.

    Reality is under NO obligation to make sense to you.
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