• Re: "February," by Ina D. Coolbrith (1841-1928)

    From mpsilvertone@mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) to alt.arts.poetry.comments on Wed Feb 25 15:30:01 2026
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    Will-Dockery wrote:

    George J. Dance wrote:
    Michael Monkey Peabrain aka "HarryLime" wrote:

    George J. Dance wrote:

    "Michael Monkey Peabrain aka HarryLime" wrote:

    George J. Dance wrote:

    Will Dockery wrote:


    As Kevin Fries pointed out tonight, NancyGene is troll, after all. >>>>>>
    --
    Poetry and songs of Will Dockery:
    https://www.reverbnation.com/willdockery



    Yes, I've seen the quote:
    "NG helped you find your spine? SHE TROLLED YOU, you still don't have >>>>> one." (EMPHASIS ADDED)

    Mr. Fries would probably argue that he only said NG was trolling you, >>>>> and trolling one person one time doesn't make one a troll; that requires >>>>> trolling as a habit, trolling more than one person and more than once. >>>>> Since NG has trolled many more than one person, and much more often
    that once - for instance, I'm in this thread only because NG trolled me in
    with fheir above lies -- I'd say they're a troll, and I'd probably have thought
    that's what Mr. Fries was saying, but he but he might protest that he meant
    something else.

    Anyway, I'm too busy to get involved, since I've got NG's troll of me >>>>> to take care of, with at least 3 posts from her that need answers in >>>>> this thread alone -- and of course with JLA Forums one has to find the posts
    one by one. So I'll have to break off here for now.


    Mr. Fries said that NancyGene "trolled"



    DANCE: Yes, Harry; Mr. Fries was trying to insult Will with that
    stupid insult. Thank you for that explanation, Captain Obvious.

    MMP: Then why did you say (immediately above) that:

    "Mr. Fries would probably argue that he only said NG was trolling you,
    and trolling one person one time doesn't make one a troll; that requires >>> trolling as a habit, trolling more than one person and more than once..." >>>
    MMP: You were obviously discussing Mr. Fries' statement in a serious manner,

    GD: Yes.

    MMP: and treating it as if he had actually said that she were a troll.

    GD: No - only as if he had actually said that she had trolled Will.

    MMP: You either misunderstood what he'd said, or else you were being you usual deceitful self.

    GD: HarryLiar, I quoted what he said. ""NG helped you find your spine? SHE TROLLED YOU, you still don't have
    one." (EMPHASIS ADDED) Mr. Fries admitted that NG had been trolling Will; there's no room to misunderstand that. It's up to him to explain what he meant by that.



    there couldn't have been any "trolling." You can't trick someone into believing something that's true. You can only trick them into believing something that's false.

    I hope this concept isn't too difficult for you to follow.



    DANCE: On the conceptual level, your logic here doesn't even make sense. "Trolling" someone does not mean "trick someone into believing something" -- those are two different concepts. Someone can troll a person to try to get him to change his beliefs, or he may have other motives entirely.

    MMP: "Troll" (as slang) has many uses and meanings. Tricking someone into believe a falsehood, in order to laugh at their gullibility, is a common form of internet trolling.

    GD: It's one way to troll; but it's not the only way. The most common IME is to post untruths about someone, with the goal of dragging them into a flamewar.

    MMP: "Troll" is derived from "trolling for fish." You troll someone by setting out bait. If they swallow the bait, they have been trolled. Trolling can include convincing them of something that isn't true, goading them into a flame war, or getting them to videotape themselves singing a song in a bar while wearing clown shoes and a Zorro mask.

    DANCE: Take NG's false accusation that I stole Ina Coolbrith's poem from NG. NG was obviously trolling *me* with that lie, but she was certainly not trying to trick *me* into thinking that I stole a poem from her.

    MMP: NancyGene posted Coobrith's poem to AAPC. Not only did you not post it here before her, but you haven't posted it here at all. All that you posted was a spam link to your blaaaargh.

    GJD: Actually, I posted what I always post; an excerpt from the poem and a link. But so what? What does that have to do with NG's false accusation that I stole Ina Coolbrith's poem from her?

    MMP: Did you blaaargh it before she posted it? Who knows? I don't go to your blaaargh, and doubt that it timestamps your posts.

    GD: Yes, I blogged Coolbrith's poem at 8:02 am. Since of course it's timestamped, anyone who does go to the blog would know that. NG posted a different version of the poem onto AAPC hours later. Once again; what does that have to do with NG's trolling?

    DANCE: So what you've produced is a non-sequitur, a fine example of "Bandar-logic".

    MMP: Wrong. I understand that there are many ways in which to "troll" someone online. You lack this understanding.
    Why is no one surprised?

    GD: Since that's another non-sequitur, I'm not at all surprised you came up with it.



    MMP: It's sad to think that two elderly men are either too senile or too stupid to figure that out on their own.


    DANCE: Not everyone is into "Bandar-Logic", Harry, I'd add that I'm sorry that makes you sad, but to be honest IDGAF.


    MMP: Now you're second-handing "Dance Logic"? Peter Keating could take a course from you in Second-Handing 101.

    GD: No, now I'm repeating a term I've been using for years.


    DONKEY: Again, well put, GJD.



    MMP: Donkey-slurp aside, the fact remains that "Bander-Logic" was a typical, second-handed (IKYABWAI) variation on "Dunce Logic," which I had been using for several years before he even started second handing Kipling.


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  • From nancygene.andjayme@nancygene.andjayme@gmail-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (NancyGene) to alt.arts.poetry.comments on Wed Feb 25 15:51:14 2026
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    HarryLime wrote:

    Will-Dockery wrote:

    George J. Dance wrote:
    Michael Monkey Peabrain aka "HarryLime" wrote:

    George J. Dance wrote:

    "Michael Monkey Peabrain aka HarryLime" wrote:

    George J. Dance wrote:

    Will Dockery wrote:


    As Kevin Fries pointed out tonight, NancyGene is troll, after all. >>>>>>>
    --
    Poetry and songs of Will Dockery:
    https://www.reverbnation.com/willdockery



    Yes, I've seen the quote:
    "NG helped you find your spine? SHE TROLLED YOU, you still don't have >>>>>> one." (EMPHASIS ADDED)

    Mr. Fries would probably argue that he only said NG was trolling you, >>>>>> and trolling one person one time doesn't make one a troll; that requires >>>>>> trolling as a habit, trolling more than one person and more than once. >>>>>> Since NG has trolled many more than one person, and much more often >>>>>> that once - for instance, I'm in this thread only because NG trolled me in
    with fheir above lies -- I'd say they're a troll, and I'd probably have thought
    that's what Mr. Fries was saying, but he but he might protest that he meant
    something else.

    Anyway, I'm too busy to get involved, since I've got NG's troll of me >>>>>> to take care of, with at least 3 posts from her that need answers in >>>>>> this thread alone -- and of course with JLA Forums one has to find the posts
    one by one. So I'll have to break off here for now.


    Mr. Fries said that NancyGene "trolled"



    DANCE: Yes, Harry; Mr. Fries was trying to insult Will with that
    stupid insult. Thank you for that explanation, Captain Obvious.

    MMP: Then why did you say (immediately above) that:

    "Mr. Fries would probably argue that he only said NG was trolling you, >>>> and trolling one person one time doesn't make one a troll; that requires >>>> trolling as a habit, trolling more than one person and more than once..." >>>>
    MMP: You were obviously discussing Mr. Fries' statement in a serious manner,

    GD: Yes.

    MMP: and treating it as if he had actually said that she were a troll. >>>>
    GD: No - only as if he had actually said that she had trolled Will.

    MMP: You either misunderstood what he'd said, or else you were being you usual deceitful self.

    GD: HarryLiar, I quoted what he said. ""NG helped you find your spine? SHE TROLLED YOU, you still don't have
    one." (EMPHASIS ADDED) Mr. Fries admitted that NG had been trolling Will; there's no room to misunderstand that. It's up to him to explain what he meant by that.



    there couldn't have been any "trolling." You can't trick someone into believing something that's true. You can only trick them into believing something that's false.

    I hope this concept isn't too difficult for you to follow.



    DANCE: On the conceptual level, your logic here doesn't even make sense. "Trolling" someone does not mean "trick someone into believing something" -- those are two different concepts. Someone can troll a person to try to get him to change his beliefs, or he may have other motives entirely.

    MMP: "Troll" (as slang) has many uses and meanings. Tricking someone into believe a falsehood, in order to laugh at their gullibility, is a common form of internet trolling.

    GD: It's one way to troll; but it's not the only way. The most common IME is to post untruths about someone, with the goal of dragging them into a flamewar.

    MMP: "Troll" is derived from "trolling for fish." You troll someone by setting out bait. If they swallow the bait, they have been trolled. Trolling can include convincing them of something that isn't true, goading them into a flame war, or getting them to videotape themselves singing a song in a bar while wearing clown shoes and a Zorro mask.

    DANCE: Take NG's false accusation that I stole Ina Coolbrith's poem from NG. NG was obviously trolling *me* with that lie, but she was certainly not trying to trick *me* into thinking that I stole a poem from her.

    MMP: NancyGene posted Coobrith's poem to AAPC. Not only did you not post it here before her, but you haven't posted it here at all. All that you posted was a spam link to your blaaaargh.

    GJD: Actually, I posted what I always post; an excerpt from the poem and a link. But so what? What does that have to do with NG's false accusation that I stole Ina Coolbrith's poem from her?

    MMP: Did you blaaargh it before she posted it? Who knows? I don't go to your blaaargh, and doubt that it timestamps your posts.

    GD: Yes, I blogged Coolbrith's poem at 8:02 am. Since of course it's timestamped, anyone who does go to the blog would know that. NG posted a different version of the poem onto AAPC hours later. Once again; what does that have to do with NG's trolling?

    DANCE: So what you've produced is a non-sequitur, a fine example of "Bandar-logic".

    MMP: Wrong. I understand that there are many ways in which to "troll" someone online. You lack this understanding.
    Why is no one surprised?

    GD: Since that's another non-sequitur, I'm not at all surprised you came up with it.



    MMP: It's sad to think that two elderly men are either too senile or too stupid to figure that out on their own.


    DANCE: Not everyone is into "Bandar-Logic", Harry, I'd add that I'm sorry that makes you sad, but to be honest IDGAF.


    MMP: Now you're second-handing "Dance Logic"? Peter Keating could take a course from you in Second-Handing 101.

    GD: No, now I'm repeating a term I've been using for years.


    DONKEY: Again, well put, GJD.


    MMP: Donkey-slurp aside, the fact remains that "Bander-Logic" was a typical, second-handed (IKYABWAI) variation on "Dunce Logic," which I had been using for several years before he even started second handing Kipling.



    Was even Big Mo second-handed? She might not like to hear that and may cut Dunce's rations again.


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  • From Will Dockery@user3274@newsgrouper.org.invalid to alt.arts.poetry.comments on Thu Feb 26 08:41:43 2026
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    georgedance04@yahoo-dot-ca.no-spam.invalid (George J. Dance) posted:
    Michael Monkey Peabrain aka "HarryLime" wrote:
    George J. Dance wrote:
    "Michael Monkey Peabrain aka HarryLime" wrote:
    George J. Dance wrote:
    Will Dockery wrote:

    As Kevin Fries pointed out tonight, NancyGene is troll, after all.

    --
    Poetry and songs of Will Dockery:
    https://www.reverbnation.com/willdockery

    Yes, I've seen the quote:
    "NG helped you find your spine? SHE TROLLED YOU, you still don't have
    one." (EMPHASIS ADDED)

    Mr. Fries would probably argue that he only said NG was trolling you,
    and trolling one person one time doesn't make one a troll; that requires >>> trolling as a habit, trolling more than one person and more than once. >>> Since NG has trolled many more than one person, and much more often
    that once - for instance, I'm in this thread only because NG trolled me in
    with fheir above lies -- I'd say they're a troll, and I'd probably have thought
    that's what Mr. Fries was saying, but he but he might protest that he meant
    something else.

    Anyway, I'm too busy to get involved, since I've got NG's troll of me
    to take care of, with at least 3 posts from her that need answers in
    this thread alone -- and of course with JLA Forums one has to find the posts
    one by one. So I'll have to break off here for now.

    DANCE: Yes, Harry; Mr. Fries was trying to insult Will with that
    stupid insult. Thank you for that explanation, Captain Obvious.

    MMP: Then why did you say (immediately above) that:

    "Mr. Fries would probably argue that he only said NG was trolling you,
    and trolling one person one time doesn't make one a troll; that requires trolling as a habit, trolling more than one person and more than once..."

    MMP: You were obviously discussing Mr. Fries' statement in a serious manner,

    GD: Yes.

    MMP: and treating it as if he had actually said that she were a troll.

    GD: No - only as if he had actually said that she had trolled Will.

    MMP: You either misunderstood what he'd said, or else you were being you usual deceitful self.

    GD: HarryLiar, I quoted what he said. ""NG helped you find your spine? SHE TROLLED YOU, you still don't have
    one." (EMPHASIS ADDED) Mr. Fries admitted that NG had been trolling Will; there's no room to misunderstand that. It's up to him to explain what he meant by that.

    DANCE: On the conceptual level, your logic here doesn't even make sense. "Trolling" someone does not mean "trick someone into believing something" -- those are two different concepts. Someone can troll a person to try to get him to change his beliefs, or he may have other motives entirely.

    MMP: "Troll" (as slang) has many uses and meanings. Tricking someone into believe a falsehood, in order to laugh at their gullibility, is a common form of internet trolling.

    GD: It's one way to troll; but it's not the only way. The most common IME is to post untruths about someone, with the goal of dragging them into a flamewar.

    MMP: "Troll" is derived from "trolling for fish." You troll someone by setting out bait. If they swallow the bait, they have been trolled. Trolling can include convincing them of something that isn't true, goading them into a flame war, or getting them to videotape themselves singing a song in a bar while wearing clown shoes and a Zorro mask.

    DANCE: Take NG's false accusation that I stole Ina Coolbrith's poem from NG. NG was obviously trolling *me* with that lie, but she was certainly not trying to trick *me* into thinking that I stole a poem from her.

    MMP: NancyGene posted Coobrith's poem to AAPC. Not only did you not post it here before her, but you haven't posted it here at all. All that you posted was a spam link to your blaaaargh.

    GJD: Actually, I posted what I always post; an excerpt from the poem and a link. But so what? What does that have to do with NG's false accusation that I stole Ina Coolbrith's poem from her?

    MMP: Did you blaaargh it before she posted it? Who knows? I don't go to your blaaargh, and doubt that it timestamps your posts.

    GD: Yes, I blogged Coolbrith's poem at 8:02 am. Since of course it's timestamped, anyone who does go to the blog would know that. NG posted a different version of the poem onto AAPC hours later. Once again; what does that have to do with NG's trolling?

    DANCE: So what you've produced is a non-sequitur, a fine example of "Bandar-logic".

    MMP: Wrong. I understand that there are many ways in which to "troll" someone online. You lack this understanding.
    Why is no one surprised?

    GD: Since that's another non-sequitur, I'm not at all surprised you came up with it.

    MMP: It's sad to think that two elderly men are either too senile or too stupid to figure that out on their own.

    DANCE: Not everyone is into "Bandar-Logic", Harry, I'd add that I'm sorry that makes you sad, but to be honest IDGAF.

    MMP: Now you're second-handing "Dunce Logic"? Peter Keating could take a course from you in Second-Handing 101.

    GD: No, now I'm repeating a term I've been using for years.

    As is well known to readers of this newsgroup.
    --
    Poetry and songs of Will Dockery:
    https://www.reverbnation.com/willdockery
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  • From mpsilvertone@mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) to alt.arts.poetry.comments on Thu Feb 26 13:58:06 2026
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    Will Dockery wrote:
    georgedance04@yahoo-dot-ca.no-spam.invalid (George J. Dance) posted:

    Michael Monkey Peabrain aka "HarryLime" wrote:
    George J. Dance wrote:
    "Michael Monkey Peabrain aka HarryLime" wrote:
    George J. Dance wrote:
    Will Dockery wrote:

    As Kevin Fries pointed out tonight, NancyGene is troll, after all.

    --
    Poetry and songs of Will Dockery:
    https://www.reverbnation.com/willdockery

    Yes, I've seen the quote:
    "NG helped you find your spine? SHE TROLLED YOU, you still don't have
    one." (EMPHASIS ADDED)

    Mr. Fries would probably argue that he only said NG was trolling you,
    and trolling one person one time doesn't make one a troll; that requires
    trolling as a habit, trolling more than one person and more than once.
    Since NG has trolled many more than one person, and much more often
    that once - for instance, I'm in this thread only because NG trolled me in >> with fheir above lies -- I'd say they're a troll, and I'd probably have thought
    that's what Mr. Fries was saying, but he but he might protest that he meant >> something else.

    Anyway, I'm too busy to get involved, since I've got NG's troll of me
    to take care of, with at least 3 posts from her that need answers in
    this thread alone -- and of course with JLA Forums one has to find the posts >> one by one. So I'll have to break off here for now.

    DANCE: Yes, Harry; Mr. Fries was trying to insult Will with that
    stupid insult. Thank you for that explanation, Captain Obvious.

    MMP: Then why did you say (immediately above) that:

    "Mr. Fries would probably argue that he only said NG was trolling you,
    and trolling one person one time doesn't make one a troll; that requires
    trolling as a habit, trolling more than one person and more than once..."

    MMP: You were obviously discussing Mr. Fries' statement in a serious manner, >>
    GD: Yes.

    MMP: and treating it as if he had actually said that she were a troll.

    GD: No - only as if he had actually said that she had trolled Will.

    MMP: You either misunderstood what he'd said, or else you were being you usual deceitful self.

    GD: HarryLiar, I quoted what he said. ""NG helped you find your spine? SHE TROLLED YOU, you still don't have
    one." (EMPHASIS ADDED) Mr. Fries admitted that NG had been trolling Will; there's no room to misunderstand that. It's up to him to explain what he meant by that.

    DANCE: On the conceptual level, your logic here doesn't even make sense. "Trolling" someone does not mean "trick someone into believing something" -- those are two different concepts. Someone can troll a person to try to get him to change his beliefs, or he may have other motives entirely.

    MMP: "Troll" (as slang) has many uses and meanings. Tricking someone into believe a falsehood, in order to laugh at their gullibility, is a common form of internet trolling.

    GD: It's one way to troll; but it's not the only way. The most common IME is to post untruths about someone, with the goal of dragging them into a flamewar.

    MMP: "Troll" is derived from "trolling for fish." You troll someone by setting out bait. If they swallow the bait, they have been trolled. Trolling can include convincing them of something that isn't true, goading them into a flame war, or getting them to videotape themselves singing a song in a bar while wearing clown shoes and a Zorro mask.

    DANCE: Take NG's false accusation that I stole Ina Coolbrith's poem from NG. NG was obviously trolling *me* with that lie, but she was certainly not trying to trick *me* into thinking that I stole a poem from her.

    MMP: NancyGene posted Coobrith's poem to AAPC. Not only did you not post it here before her, but you haven't posted it here at all. All that you posted was a spam link to your blaaaargh.

    GJD: Actually, I posted what I always post; an excerpt from the poem and a link. But so what? What does that have to do with NG's false accusation that I stole Ina Coolbrith's poem from her?

    MMP: Did you blaaargh it before she posted it? Who knows? I don't go to your blaaargh, and doubt that it timestamps your posts.

    GD: Yes, I blogged Coolbrith's poem at 8:02 am. Since of course it's timestamped, anyone who does go to the blog would know that. NG posted a different version of the poem onto AAPC hours later. Once again; what does that have to do with NG's trolling?

    DANCE: So what you've produced is a non-sequitur, a fine example of "Bandar-logic".

    MMP: Wrong. I understand that there are many ways in which to "troll" someone online. You lack this understanding.
    Why is no one surprised?

    GD: Since that's another non-sequitur, I'm not at all surprised you came up with it.

    MMP: It's sad to think that two elderly men are either too senile or too stupid to figure that out on their own.

    DANCE: Not everyone is into "Bandar-Logic", Harry, I'd add that I'm sorry that makes you sad, but to be honest IDGAF.

    MMP: Now you're second-handing "Dunce Logic"? Peter Keating could take a course from you in Second-Handing 101.

    GD: No, now I'm repeating a term I've been using for years.



    As is well known to readers of this newsgroup.





    That Dunce has been second-handing for decades?

    We know.


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  • From will.dockery@will.dockery@gmail-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (Will-Dockery) to alt.arts.poetry.comments on Thu Feb 26 17:58:53 2026
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    George J. Dance wrote:

    Will Dockery wrote:
    mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) posted:

    George J. Dance wrote:
    Michael Monkey Peabrain aka "HarryLime" wrote:
    George J. Dance wrote:
    "Michael Monkey Peabrain aka HarryLime" wrote:
    George J. Dance wrote:
    Will Dockery wrote:

    As Kevin Fries pointed out tonight, NancyGene is troll, after all.

    --
    Poetry and songs of Will Dockery:
    https://www.reverbnation.com/willdockery

    Yes, I've seen the quote:
    "NG helped you find your spine? SHE TROLLED YOU, you still don't have
    one." (EMPHASIS ADDED)

    Mr. Fries would probably argue that he only said NG was trolling you,
    and trolling one person one time doesn't make one a troll; that requires >>> trolling as a habit, trolling more than one person and more than once.
    Since NG has trolled many more than one person, and much more often
    that once - for instance, I'm in this thread only because NG trolled me in >>> with fheir above lies -- I'd say they're a troll, and I'd probably have thought
    that's what Mr. Fries was saying, but he but he might protest that he meant >>> something else.

    Anyway, I'm too busy to get involved, since I've got NG's troll of me
    to take care of, with at least 3 posts from her that need answers in
    this thread alone -- and of course with JLA Forums one has to find the posts
    one by one. So I'll have to break off here for now.

    Mr. Fries said that NancyGene "trolled" the Donkey into thinking he had a spine.



    Thus, Kevin Fries admitted that NancyGene is a troll.


    DANCE: Yes, Harry; Mr. Fries was trying to insult Will with that
    stupid insult. Thank you for that explanation, Captain Obvious.

    MMP: Then why did you say (immediately above) that:

    "Mr. Fries would probably argue that he only said NG was trolling you,
    and trolling one person one time doesn't make one a troll; that requires >>> trolling as a habit, trolling more than one person and more than once..." >>>
    MMP: You were obviously discussing Mr. Fries' statement in a serious manner,

    GD: Yes.

    MMP: and treating it as if he had actually said that she were a troll.

    GD: No - only as if he had actually said that she had trolled Will.

    MMP: You either misunderstood what he'd said, or else you were being you usual deceitful self.

    GD: HarryLiar, I quoted what he said. ""NG helped you find your spine? SHE TROLLED YOU, you still don't have
    one." (EMPHASIS ADDED) Mr. Fries admitted that NG had been trolling Will; there's no room to misunderstand that. It's up to him to explain what he meant by that.

    DANCE: On the conceptual level, your logic here doesn't even make sense. "Trolling" someone does not mean "trick someone into believing something" -- those are two different concepts. Someone can troll a person to try to get him to change his beliefs, or he may have other motives entirely.

    MMP: "Troll" (as slang) has many uses and meanings. Tricking someone into believe a falsehood, in order to laugh at their gullibility, is a common form of internet trolling.

    GD: It's one way to troll; but it's not the only way. The most common IME is to post untruths about someone, with the goal of dragging them into a flamewar.

    MMP: "Troll" is derived from "trolling for fish." You troll someone by setting out bait. If they swallow the bait, they have been trolled. Trolling can include convincing them of something that isn't true, goading them into a flame war, or getting them to videotape themselves singing a song in a bar while wearing clown shoes and a Zorro mask.

    DANCE: Take NG's false accusation that I stole Ina Coolbrith's poem from NG. NG was obviously trolling *me* with that lie, but she was certainly not trying to trick *me* into thinking that I stole a poem from her.

    MMP: NancyGene posted Coobrith's poem to AAPC. Not only did you not post it here before her, but you haven't posted it here at all. All that you posted was a spam link to your blaaaargh.

    GJD: Actually, I posted what I always post; an excerpt from the poem and a link. But so what? What does that have to do with NG's false accusation that I stole Ina Coolbrith's poem from her?

    MMP: Did you blaaargh it before she posted it? Who knows? I don't go to your blaaargh, and doubt that it timestamps your posts.

    GD: Yes, I blogged Coolbrith's poem at 8:02 am. Since of course it's timestamped, anyone who does go to the blog would know that. NG posted a different version of the poem onto AAPC hours later. Once again; what does that have to do with NG's trolling?

    DANCE: So what you've produced is a non-sequitur, a fine example of "Bandar-logic".

    MMP: Wrong. I understand that there are many ways in which to "troll" someone online. You lack this understanding.
    Why is no one surprised?

    GD: Since that's another non-sequitur, I'm not at all surprised you came up with it.

    MMP: It's sad to think that two elderly men are either too senile or too stupid to figure that out on their own.

    DANCE: Not everyone is into "Bandar-Logic", Harry, I'd add that I'm sorry that makes you sad, but to be honest IDGAF.

    MMP: Now you're second-handing "Dunce Logic"? Peter Keating could take a course from you in Second-Handing 101.

    GD: No, now I'm repeating a term I've been using for years.

    MMP: We both know that I have been referring to your illogical arguments long before you ever second-handed the "Bandar-Log" from Rudyard Kipling.



    It will be difficult to prove which term came first.
    --
    Poetry and songs of Will Dockery:
    https://www.reverbnation.com/willdockery





    No, that part is fairly easy to establish. I came up with "Bandar-Logic" in 2023, after I'd started using "Bandar-Log" for Team Monkey's riffraff, while Peter J Ross was using "DunceLogic" at least a decade before that.

    I find its rather ironic that HarryLiar is accusing me of second-handing PJ's term
    with the one I coined, at the same time he's proudly admitting that he's
    been simply copying aping PJ all those years.[/quote]

    Typical Pendragon hypocrisy.


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  • From georgedance04@georgedance04@yahoo-dot-ca.no-spam.invalid (George J. Dance) to alt.arts.poetry.comments on Thu Feb 26 17:54:17 2026
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    Will Dockery wrote:
    mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) posted:

    George J. Dance wrote:
    Michael Monkey Peabrain aka "HarryLime" wrote:
    George J. Dance wrote:
    "Michael Monkey Peabrain aka HarryLime" wrote:
    George J. Dance wrote:
    Will Dockery wrote:

    As Kevin Fries pointed out tonight, NancyGene is troll, after all.

    --
    Poetry and songs of Will Dockery:
    https://www.reverbnation.com/willdockery

    Yes, I've seen the quote:
    "NG helped you find your spine? SHE TROLLED YOU, you still don't have
    one." (EMPHASIS ADDED)

    Mr. Fries would probably argue that he only said NG was trolling you,
    and trolling one person one time doesn't make one a troll; that requires
    trolling as a habit, trolling more than one person and more than once.
    Since NG has trolled many more than one person, and much more often
    that once - for instance, I'm in this thread only because NG trolled me in >> with fheir above lies -- I'd say they're a troll, and I'd probably have thought
    that's what Mr. Fries was saying, but he but he might protest that he meant >> something else.

    Anyway, I'm too busy to get involved, since I've got NG's troll of me
    to take care of, with at least 3 posts from her that need answers in
    this thread alone -- and of course with JLA Forums one has to find the posts >> one by one. So I'll have to break off here for now.

    Mr. Fries said that NancyGene "trolled" the Donkey into thinking he had a spine.



    Thus, Kevin Fries admitted that NancyGene is a troll.


    DANCE: Yes, Harry; Mr. Fries was trying to insult Will with that
    stupid insult. Thank you for that explanation, Captain Obvious.

    MMP: Then why did you say (immediately above) that:

    "Mr. Fries would probably argue that he only said NG was trolling you,
    and trolling one person one time doesn't make one a troll; that requires
    trolling as a habit, trolling more than one person and more than once..."

    MMP: You were obviously discussing Mr. Fries' statement in a serious manner, >>
    GD: Yes.

    MMP: and treating it as if he had actually said that she were a troll.

    GD: No - only as if he had actually said that she had trolled Will.

    MMP: You either misunderstood what he'd said, or else you were being you usual deceitful self.

    GD: HarryLiar, I quoted what he said. ""NG helped you find your spine? SHE TROLLED YOU, you still don't have
    one." (EMPHASIS ADDED) Mr. Fries admitted that NG had been trolling Will; there's no room to misunderstand that. It's up to him to explain what he meant by that.

    DANCE: On the conceptual level, your logic here doesn't even make sense. "Trolling" someone does not mean "trick someone into believing something" -- those are two different concepts. Someone can troll a person to try to get him to change his beliefs, or he may have other motives entirely.

    MMP: "Troll" (as slang) has many uses and meanings. Tricking someone into believe a falsehood, in order to laugh at their gullibility, is a common form of internet trolling.

    GD: It's one way to troll; but it's not the only way. The most common IME is to post untruths about someone, with the goal of dragging them into a flamewar.

    MMP: "Troll" is derived from "trolling for fish." You troll someone by setting out bait. If they swallow the bait, they have been trolled. Trolling can include convincing them of something that isn't true, goading them into a flame war, or getting them to videotape themselves singing a song in a bar while wearing clown shoes and a Zorro mask.

    DANCE: Take NG's false accusation that I stole Ina Coolbrith's poem from NG. NG was obviously trolling *me* with that lie, but she was certainly not trying to trick *me* into thinking that I stole a poem from her.

    MMP: NancyGene posted Coobrith's poem to AAPC. Not only did you not post it here before her, but you haven't posted it here at all. All that you posted was a spam link to your blaaaargh.

    GJD: Actually, I posted what I always post; an excerpt from the poem and a link. But so what? What does that have to do with NG's false accusation that I stole Ina Coolbrith's poem from her?

    MMP: Did you blaaargh it before she posted it? Who knows? I don't go to your blaaargh, and doubt that it timestamps your posts.

    GD: Yes, I blogged Coolbrith's poem at 8:02 am. Since of course it's timestamped, anyone who does go to the blog would know that. NG posted a different version of the poem onto AAPC hours later. Once again; what does that have to do with NG's trolling?

    DANCE: So what you've produced is a non-sequitur, a fine example of "Bandar-logic".

    MMP: Wrong. I understand that there are many ways in which to "troll" someone online. You lack this understanding.
    Why is no one surprised?

    GD: Since that's another non-sequitur, I'm not at all surprised you came up with it.

    MMP: It's sad to think that two elderly men are either too senile or too stupid to figure that out on their own.

    DANCE: Not everyone is into "Bandar-Logic", Harry, I'd add that I'm sorry that makes you sad, but to be honest IDGAF.

    MMP: Now you're second-handing "Dunce Logic"? Peter Keating could take a course from you in Second-Handing 101.

    GD: No, now I'm repeating a term I've been using for years.

    MMP: We both know that I have been referring to your illogical arguments long before you ever second-handed the "Bandar-Log" from Rudyard Kipling.



    It will be difficult to prove which term came first.
    --
    Poetry and songs of Will Dockery:
    https://www.reverbnation.com/willdockery


    [/quote]

    No, that part is fairly easy to establish. I came up with "Bandar-Logic" in 2023, after I'd started using "Bandar-Log" for Team Monkey's riffraff, while Peter J Ross was using "DunceLogic" at least a decade before that.

    I find its rather ironic that HarryLiar is accusing me of second-handing PJ's term
    with the one I coined, at the same time he's proudly admitting that he's
    been simply copying aping PJ all those years.


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  • From mpsilvertone@mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) to alt.arts.poetry.comments on Thu Feb 26 19:45:37 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.arts.poetry.comments

    George J. Dance wrote:

    Will Dockery wrote:
    mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) posted:

    George J. Dance wrote:
    Michael Monkey Peabrain aka "HarryLime" wrote:
    George J. Dance wrote:
    "Michael Monkey Peabrain aka HarryLime" wrote:
    George J. Dance wrote:
    Will Dockery wrote:

    As Kevin Fries pointed out tonight, NancyGene is troll, after all.

    --
    Poetry and songs of Will Dockery:
    https://www.reverbnation.com/willdockery

    Yes, I've seen the quote:
    "NG helped you find your spine? SHE TROLLED YOU, you still don't have
    one." (EMPHASIS ADDED)

    Mr. Fries would probably argue that he only said NG was trolling you,
    and trolling one person one time doesn't make one a troll; that requires >>> trolling as a habit, trolling more than one person and more than once.
    Since NG has trolled many more than one person, and much more often
    that once - for instance, I'm in this thread only because NG trolled me in >>> with fheir above lies -- I'd say they're a troll, and I'd probably have thought
    that's what Mr. Fries was saying, but he but he might protest that he meant >>> something else.

    Anyway, I'm too busy to get involved, since I've got NG's troll of me
    to take care of, with at least 3 posts from her that need answers in
    this thread alone -- and of course with JLA Forums one has to find the posts
    one by one. So I'll have to break off here for now.

    Mr. Fries said that NancyGene "trolled" the Donkey into thinking he had a spine.



    Thus, Kevin Fries admitted that NancyGene is a troll.


    DANCE: Yes, Harry; Mr. Fries was trying to insult Will with that
    stupid insult. Thank you for that explanation, Captain Obvious.

    MMP: Then why did you say (immediately above) that:

    "Mr. Fries would probably argue that he only said NG was trolling you,
    and trolling one person one time doesn't make one a troll; that requires >>> trolling as a habit, trolling more than one person and more than once..." >>>
    MMP: You were obviously discussing Mr. Fries' statement in a serious manner,

    GD: Yes.

    MMP: and treating it as if he had actually said that she were a troll.

    GD: No - only as if he had actually said that she had trolled Will.

    MMP: You either misunderstood what he'd said, or else you were being you usual deceitful self.

    GD: HarryLiar, I quoted what he said. ""NG helped you find your spine? SHE TROLLED YOU, you still don't have
    one." (EMPHASIS ADDED) Mr. Fries admitted that NG had been trolling Will; there's no room to misunderstand that. It's up to him to explain what he meant by that.

    DANCE: On the conceptual level, your logic here doesn't even make sense. "Trolling" someone does not mean "trick someone into believing something" -- those are two different concepts. Someone can troll a person to try to get him to change his beliefs, or he may have other motives entirely.

    MMP: "Troll" (as slang) has many uses and meanings. Tricking someone into believe a falsehood, in order to laugh at their gullibility, is a common form of internet trolling.

    GD: It's one way to troll; but it's not the only way. The most common IME is to post untruths about someone, with the goal of dragging them into a flamewar.

    MMP: "Troll" is derived from "trolling for fish." You troll someone by setting out bait. If they swallow the bait, they have been trolled. Trolling can include convincing them of something that isn't true, goading them into a flame war, or getting them to videotape themselves singing a song in a bar while wearing clown shoes and a Zorro mask.

    DANCE: Take NG's false accusation that I stole Ina Coolbrith's poem from NG. NG was obviously trolling *me* with that lie, but she was certainly not trying to trick *me* into thinking that I stole a poem from her.

    MMP: NancyGene posted Coobrith's poem to AAPC. Not only did you not post it here before her, but you haven't posted it here at all. All that you posted was a spam link to your blaaaargh.

    GJD: Actually, I posted what I always post; an excerpt from the poem and a link. But so what? What does that have to do with NG's false accusation that I stole Ina Coolbrith's poem from her?

    MMP: Did you blaaargh it before she posted it? Who knows? I don't go to your blaaargh, and doubt that it timestamps your posts.

    GD: Yes, I blogged Coolbrith's poem at 8:02 am. Since of course it's timestamped, anyone who does go to the blog would know that. NG posted a different version of the poem onto AAPC hours later. Once again; what does that have to do with NG's trolling?

    DANCE: So what you've produced is a non-sequitur, a fine example of "Bandar-logic".

    MMP: Wrong. I understand that there are many ways in which to "troll" someone online. You lack this understanding.
    Why is no one surprised?

    GD: Since that's another non-sequitur, I'm not at all surprised you came up with it.

    MMP: It's sad to think that two elderly men are either too senile or too stupid to figure that out on their own.

    DANCE: Not everyone is into "Bandar-Logic", Harry, I'd add that I'm sorry that makes you sad, but to be honest IDGAF.

    MMP: Now you're second-handing "Dunce Logic"? Peter Keating could take a course from you in Second-Handing 101.

    GD: No, now I'm repeating a term I've been using for years.

    MMP: We both know that I have been referring to your illogical arguments long before you ever second-handed the "Bandar-Log" from Rudyard Kipling.



    It will be difficult to prove which term came first.
    --
    Poetry and songs of Will Dockery:
    https://www.reverbnation.com/willdockery





    No, that part is fairly easy to establish. I came up with "Bandar-Logic" in 2023, after I'd started using "Bandar-Log" for Team Monkey's riffraff, while Peter J Ross was using "DunceLogic" at least a decade before that.

    I find its rather ironic that HarryLiar is accusing me of second-handing PJ's term
    with the one I coined, at the same time he's proudly admitting that he's
    been simply copying PJ all those years.[/quote]


    And Peter (or someone before him) gave you the name "Dunce."

    Adopting examples of the popular lexicon are normal, even expected.

    Second-handing a term from the popular lexicon, in a vain attempt to apply it to someone else, is copying.

    And to paraphrase another saying of Mr. Ross':

    Why are you such a dunce, Dunce?


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  • From Will Dockery@user3274@newsgrouper.org.invalid to alt.arts.poetry.comments on Fri Feb 27 05:41:41 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.arts.poetry.comments


    georgedance04@yahoo-dot-ca.no-spam.invalid (George J. Dance) posted:
    Will Dockery wrote:
    mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) posted:
    George J. Dance wrote:
    Michael Monkey Peabrain aka "HarryLime" wrote:
    George J. Dance wrote:
    "Michael Monkey Peabrain aka HarryLime" wrote:
    George J. Dance wrote:
    Will Dockery wrote:

    As Kevin Fries pointed out tonight, NancyGene is troll, after all.

    --
    Poetry and songs of Will Dockery:
    https://www.reverbnation.com/willdockery

    Yes, I've seen the quote:
    "NG helped you find your spine? SHE TROLLED YOU, you still don't have
    one." (EMPHASIS ADDED)

    Mr. Fries would probably argue that he only said NG was trolling you,
    and trolling one person one time doesn't make one a troll; that requires >> trolling as a habit, trolling more than one person and more than once.
    Since NG has trolled many more than one person, and much more often
    that once - for instance, I'm in this thread only because NG trolled me in >> with fheir above lies -- I'd say they're a troll, and I'd probably have thought
    that's what Mr. Fries was saying, but he but he might protest that he meant
    something else.

    Anyway, I'm too busy to get involved, since I've got NG's troll of me
    to take care of, with at least 3 posts from her that need answers in
    this thread alone -- and of course with JLA Forums one has to find the posts
    one by one. So I'll have to break off here for now.

    Mr. Fries said that NancyGene "trolled" the Donkey into thinking he had a spine.

    Thus, Kevin Fries admitted that NancyGene is a troll.

    DANCE: Yes, Harry; Mr. Fries was trying to insult Will with that
    stupid insult. Thank you for that explanation, Captain Obvious.

    Exactly, and Kevin threw NancyGene under the bus while trying it.

    MMP: Then why did you say (immediately above) that:

    "Mr. Fries would probably argue that he only said NG was trolling you,
    and trolling one person one time doesn't make one a troll; that requires >> trolling as a habit, trolling more than one person and more than once..." >>
    MMP: You were obviously discussing Mr. Fries' statement in a serious manner,

    GD: Yes.

    MMP: and treating it as if he had actually said that she were a troll.

    GD: No - only as if he had actually said that she had trolled Will.

    MMP: You either misunderstood what he'd said, or else you were being you usual deceitful self.

    GD: HarryLiar, I quoted what he said. ""NG helped you find your spine? SHE TROLLED YOU, you still don't have
    one." (EMPHASIS ADDED) Mr. Fries admitted that NG had been trolling Will; there's no room to misunderstand that. It's up to him to explain what he meant by that.

    DANCE: On the conceptual level, your logic here doesn't even make sense. "Trolling" someone does not mean "trick someone into believing something" -- those are two different concepts. Someone can troll a person to try to get him to change his beliefs, or he may have other motives entirely.

    MMP: "Troll" (as slang) has many uses and meanings. Tricking someone into believe a falsehood, in order to laugh at their gullibility, is a common form of internet trolling.

    GD: It's one way to troll; but it's not the only way. The most common IME is to post untruths about someone, with the goal of dragging them into a flamewar.

    MMP: "Troll" is derived from "trolling for fish." You troll someone by setting out bait. If they swallow the bait, they have been trolled. Trolling can include convincing them of something that isn't true, goading them into a flame war, or getting them to videotape themselves singing a song in a bar while wearing clown shoes and a Zorro mask.

    DANCE: Take NG's false accusation that I stole Ina Coolbrith's poem from NG. NG was obviously trolling *me* with that lie, but she was certainly not trying to trick *me* into thinking that I stole a poem from her.

    MMP: NancyGene posted Coobrith's poem to AAPC. Not only did you not post it here before her, but you haven't posted it here at all. All that you posted was a spam link to your blaaaargh.

    GJD: Actually, I posted what I always post; an excerpt from the poem and a link. But so what? What does that have to do with NG's false accusation that I stole Ina Coolbrith's poem from her?

    MMP: Did you blaaargh it before she posted it? Who knows? I don't go to your blaaargh, and doubt that it timestamps your posts.

    GD: Yes, I blogged Coolbrith's poem at 8:02 am. Since of course it's timestamped, anyone who does go to the blog would know that. NG posted a different version of the poem onto AAPC hours later. Once again; what does that have to do with NG's trolling?

    DANCE: So what you've produced is a non-sequitur, a fine example of "Bandar-logic".

    MMP: Wrong. I understand that there are many ways in which to "troll" someone online. You lack this understanding.
    Why is no one surprised?

    GD: Since that's another non-sequitur, I'm not at all surprised you came up with it.

    MMP: It's sad to think that two elderly men are either too senile or too stupid to figure that out on their own.

    DANCE: Not everyone is into "Bandar-Logic", Harry, I'd add that I'm sorry that makes you sad, but to be honest IDGAF.

    MMP: Now you're second-handing "Dunce Logic"? Peter Keating could take a course from you in Second-Handing 101.

    GD: No, now I'm repeating a term I've been using for years.

    MMP: We both know that I have been referring to your illogical arguments long before you ever second-handed the "Bandar-Log" from Rudyard Kipling.

    It will be difficult to prove which term came first.
    --
    Poetry and songs of Will Dockery:
    https://www.reverbnation.com/willdockery

    [/quote]

    No, that part is fairly easy to establish. I came up with "Bandar-Logic" in 2023, after I'd started using "Bandar-Log" for Team Monkey's riffraff, while Peter J Ross was using "DunceLogic" at least a decade before that.

    I find its rather ironic that HarryLiar is accusing me of second-handing PJ's term
    with the one I coined, at the same time he's proudly admitting that he's
    been simply copying aping PJ all those years.

    Pendragon did ask PJR to be his mentor many years ago, if my memory serves me well.

    This is a response to the post seen at: http://www.jlaforums.com/viewtopic.php?p=701548819#701548819
    --
    Poetry and songs of Will Dockery:
    https://www.reverbnation.com/willdockery
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  • From Will Dockery@user3274@newsgrouper.org.invalid to alt.arts.poetry.comments on Fri Feb 27 06:16:37 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.arts.poetry.comments


    mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) posted:
    George J. Dance wrote:
    Will Dockery wrote:
    mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) posted:
    George J. Dance wrote:
    Michael Monkey Peabrain aka "HarryLime" wrote:
    George J. Dance wrote:

    As Kevin Fries pointed out tonight, NancyGene is troll, after all.

    --
    Poetry and songs of Will Dockery:
    https://www.reverbnation.com/willdockery

    Yes, I've seen the quote:
    "NG helped you find your spine? SHE TROLLED YOU, you still don't have
    one." (EMPHASIS ADDED)

    Mr. Fries would probably argue that he only said NG was trolling you,
    and trolling one person one time doesn't make one a troll; that requires >>> trolling as a habit, trolling more than one person and more than once. >>> Since NG has trolled many more than one person, and much more often
    that once - for instance, I'm in this thread only because NG trolled me in
    with fheir above lies -- I'd say they're a troll, and I'd probably have thought
    that's what Mr. Fries was saying, but he but he might protest that he meant
    something else.

    Anyway, I'm too busy to get involved, since I've got NG's troll of me
    to take care of, with at least 3 posts from her that need answers in
    this thread alone -- and of course with JLA Forums one has to find the posts
    one by one. So I'll have to break off here for now.

    Mr. Fries said that NancyGene "trolled" the Donkey into thinking he had a spine.

    Thus, Kevin Fries admitted that NancyGene is a troll.

    DANCE: Yes, Harry; Mr. Fries was trying to insult Will with that
    stupid insult. Thank you for that explanation, Captain Obvious.

    MMP: Then why did you say (immediately above) that:

    "Mr. Fries would probably argue that he only said NG was trolling you, >>> and trolling one person one time doesn't make one a troll; that requires >>> trolling as a habit, trolling more than one person and more than once..." >>>
    MMP: You were obviously discussing Mr. Fries' statement in a serious manner,

    GD: Yes.

    MMP: and treating it as if he had actually said that she were a troll. >>>
    GD: No - only as if he had actually said that she had trolled Will.

    MMP: You either misunderstood what he'd said, or else you were being you usual deceitful self.

    GD: HarryLiar, I quoted what he said. ""NG helped you find your spine? SHE TROLLED YOU, you still don't have
    one." (EMPHASIS ADDED) Mr. Fries admitted that NG had been trolling Will; there's no room to misunderstand that. It's up to him to explain what he meant by that.

    DANCE: On the conceptual level, your logic here doesn't even make sense. "Trolling" someone does not mean "trick someone into believing something" -- those are two different concepts. Someone can troll a person to try to get him to change his beliefs, or he may have other motives entirely.

    MMP: "Troll" (as slang) has many uses and meanings. Tricking someone into believe a falsehood, in order to laugh at their gullibility, is a common form of internet trolling.

    GD: It's one way to troll; but it's not the only way. The most common IME is to post untruths about someone, with the goal of dragging them into a flamewar.

    MMP: "Troll" is derived from "trolling for fish." You troll someone by setting out bait. If they swallow the bait, they have been trolled. Trolling can include convincing them of something that isn't true, goading them into a flame war, or getting them to videotape themselves singing a song in a bar while wearing clown shoes and a Zorro mask.

    DANCE: Take NG's false accusation that I stole Ina Coolbrith's poem from NG. NG was obviously trolling *me* with that lie, but she was certainly not trying to trick *me* into thinking that I stole a poem from her.

    MMP: NancyGene posted Coobrith's poem to AAPC. Not only did you not post it here before her, but you haven't posted it here at all. All that you posted was a spam link to your blaaaargh.

    GJD: Actually, I posted what I always post; an excerpt from the poem and a link. But so what? What does that have to do with NG's false accusation that I stole Ina Coolbrith's poem from her?

    MMP: Did you blaaargh it before she posted it? Who knows? I don't go to your blaaargh, and doubt that it timestamps your posts.

    GD: Yes, I blogged Coolbrith's poem at 8:02 am. Since of course it's timestamped, anyone who does go to the blog would know that. NG posted a different version of the poem onto AAPC hours later. Once again; what does that have to do with NG's trolling?

    DANCE: So what you've produced is a non-sequitur, a fine example of "Bandar-logic".

    MMP: Wrong. I understand that there are many ways in which to "troll" someone online. You lack this understanding.
    Why is no one surprised?

    GD: Since that's another non-sequitur, I'm not at all surprised you came up with it.

    MMP: It's sad to think that two elderly men are either too senile or too stupid to figure that out on their own.

    DANCE: Not everyone is into "Bandar-Logic", Harry, I'd add that I'm sorry that makes you sad, but to be honest IDGAF.

    MMP: Now you're second-handing "Dunce Logic"? Peter Keating could take a course from you in Second-Handing 101.

    GD: No, now I'm repeating a term I've been using for years.

    MMP: We both know that I have been referring to your illogical arguments long before you ever second-handed the "Bandar-Log" from Rudyard Kipling.

    It will be difficult to prove which term came first.
    --
    Poetry and songs of Will Dockery:
    https://www.reverbnation.com/willdockery

    No, that part is fairly easy to establish. I came up with "Bandar-Logic" in 2023, after I'd started using "Bandar-Log" for Team Monkey's riffraff, while Peter J Ross was using "DunceLogic" at least a decade before that.

    I find its rather ironic that HarryLiar is accusing me of second-handing PJ's term
    with the one I coined, at the same time he's proudly admitting that he's
    been simply copying PJ all those years.[/quote]


    And Peter (or someone before him) gave you the name

    Yes, childish name-calling goes back a long way on this newsgoup but thst doesn't make it right.
    --
    Poetry and songs of Will Dockery:
    https://www.reverbnation.com/willdockery
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  • From Will Dockery@user3274@newsgrouper.org.invalid to alt.arts.poetry.comments on Fri Feb 27 08:00:22 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.arts.poetry.comments


    mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) posted:
    Will Dockery wrote:
    georgedance04@yahoo-dot-ca.no-spam.invalid (George J. Dance) posted:
    Michael Monkey Peabrain aka "HarryLime" wrote:
    George J. Dance wrote:
    "Michael Monkey Peabrain aka HarryLime" wrote:
    George J. Dance wrote:
    Will Dockery wrote:

    As Kevin Fries pointed out tonight, NancyGene is troll, after all.

    --
    Poetry and songs of Will Dockery:
    https://www.reverbnation.com/willdockery

    Yes, I've seen the quote:
    "NG helped you find your spine? SHE TROLLED YOU, you still don't have
    one." (EMPHASIS ADDED)

    Mr. Fries would probably argue that he only said NG was trolling you,
    and trolling one person one time doesn't make one a troll; that requires >> trolling as a habit, trolling more than one person and more than once.
    Since NG has trolled many more than one person, and much more often
    that once - for instance, I'm in this thread only because NG trolled me in >> with fheir above lies -- I'd say they're a troll, and I'd probably have thought
    that's what Mr. Fries was saying, but he but he might protest that he meant
    something else.

    Anyway, I'm too busy to get involved, since I've got NG's troll of me
    to take care of, with at least 3 posts from her that need answers in
    this thread alone -- and of course with JLA Forums one has to find the posts
    one by one. So I'll have to break off here for now.

    DANCE: Yes, Harry; Mr. Fries was trying to insult Will with that
    stupid insult. Thank you for that explanation, Captain Obvious.

    MMP: Then why did you say (immediately above) that:

    "Mr. Fries would probably argue that he only said NG was trolling you,
    and trolling one person one time doesn't make one a troll; that requires >> trolling as a habit, trolling more than one person and more than once..." >>
    MMP: You were obviously discussing Mr. Fries' statement in a serious manner,

    GD: Yes.

    MMP: and treating it as if he had actually said that she were a troll.

    GD: No - only as if he had actually said that she had trolled Will.

    MMP: You either misunderstood what he'd said, or else you were being you usual deceitful self.

    GD: HarryLiar, I quoted what he said. ""NG helped you find your spine? SHE TROLLED YOU, you still don't have
    one." (EMPHASIS ADDED) Mr. Fries admitted that NG had been trolling Will; there's no room to misunderstand that. It's up to him to explain what he meant by that.

    DANCE: On the conceptual level, your logic here doesn't even make sense. "Trolling" someone does not mean "trick someone into believing something" -- those are two different concepts. Someone can troll a person to try to get him to change his beliefs, or he may have other motives entirely.

    MMP: "Troll" (as slang) has many uses and meanings. Tricking someone into believe a falsehood, in order to laugh at their gullibility, is a common form of internet trolling.

    GD: It's one way to troll; but it's not the only way. The most common IME is to post untruths about someone, with the goal of dragging them into a flamewar.

    MMP: "Troll" is derived from "trolling for fish." You troll someone by setting out bait. If they swallow the bait, they have been trolled. Trolling can include convincing them of something that isn't true, goading them into a flame war, or getting them to videotape themselves singing a song in a bar while wearing clown shoes and a Zorro mask.

    DANCE: Take NG's false accusation that I stole Ina Coolbrith's poem from NG. NG was obviously trolling *me* with that lie, but she was certainly not trying to trick *me* into thinking that I stole a poem from her.

    MMP: NancyGene posted Coobrith's poem to AAPC. Not only did you not post it here before her, but you haven't posted it here at all. All that you posted was a spam link to your blaaaargh.

    GJD: Actually, I posted what I always post; an excerpt from the poem and a link. But so what? What does that have to do with NG's false accusation that I stole Ina Coolbrith's poem from her?

    MMP: Did you blaaargh it before she posted it? Who knows? I don't go to your blaaargh, and doubt that it timestamps your posts.

    GD: Yes, I blogged Coolbrith's poem at 8:02 am. Since of course it's timestamped, anyone who does go to the blog would know that. NG posted a different version of the poem onto AAPC hours later. Once again; what does that have to do with NG's trolling?

    DANCE: So what you've produced is a non-sequitur, a fine example of "Bandar-logic".

    MMP: Wrong. I understand that there are many ways in which to "troll" someone online. You lack this understanding.
    Why is no one surprised?

    GD: Since that's another non-sequitur, I'm not at all surprised you came up with it.

    MMP: It's sad to think that two elderly men are either too senile or too stupid to figure that out on their own.

    DANCE: Not everyone is into "Bandar-Logic", Harry, I'd add that I'm sorry that makes you sad, but to be honest IDGAF.

    MMP: Now you're second-handing "Dunce Logic"? Peter Keating could take a course from you in Second-Handing 101.

    GD: No, now I'm repeating a term I've been using for years.

    As is well known to readers of this newsgroup.

    That Dunce xxxxxxxxxx xxxxx xxxxx

    Childish name-calling noted and troll content removed.

    HTH and HAND.
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  • From mpsilvertone@mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) to alt.arts.poetry.comments on Fri Feb 27 13:37:42 2026
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    Will Dockery wrote:
    mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) posted:

    George J. Dance wrote:
    Will Dockery wrote:
    mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) posted:
    George J. Dance wrote:
    Michael Monkey Peabrain aka "HarryLime" wrote:
    George J. Dance wrote:

    As Kevin Fries pointed out tonight, NancyGene is troll, after all.

    --
    Poetry and songs of Will Dockery:
    https://www.reverbnation.com/willdockery

    Yes, I've seen the quote:
    "NG helped you find your spine? SHE TROLLED YOU, you still don't have
    one." (EMPHASIS ADDED)

    Mr. Fries would probably argue that he only said NG was trolling you,
    and trolling one person one time doesn't make one a troll; that requires
    trolling as a habit, trolling more than one person and more than once.
    Since NG has trolled many more than one person, and much more often
    that once - for instance, I'm in this thread only because NG trolled me in >> with fheir above lies -- I'd say they're a troll, and I'd probably have thought
    that's what Mr. Fries was saying, but he but he might protest that he meant >> something else.

    Anyway, I'm too busy to get involved, since I've got NG's troll of me
    to take care of, with at least 3 posts from her that need answers in
    this thread alone -- and of course with JLA Forums one has to find the posts >> one by one. So I'll have to break off here for now.

    Mr. Fries said that NancyGene "trolled" the Donkey into thinking he had a spine.

    Thus, Kevin Fries admitted that NancyGene is a troll.

    DANCE: Yes, Harry; Mr. Fries was trying to insult Will with that
    stupid insult. Thank you for that explanation, Captain Obvious.

    MMP: Then why did you say (immediately above) that:

    "Mr. Fries would probably argue that he only said NG was trolling you,
    and trolling one person one time doesn't make one a troll; that requires
    trolling as a habit, trolling more than one person and more than once..."

    MMP: You were obviously discussing Mr. Fries' statement in a serious manner, >>
    GD: Yes.

    MMP: and treating it as if he had actually said that she were a troll.

    GD: No - only as if he had actually said that she had trolled Will.

    MMP: You either misunderstood what he'd said, or else you were being you usual deceitful self.

    GD: HarryLiar, I quoted what he said. ""NG helped you find your spine? SHE TROLLED YOU, you still don't have
    one." (EMPHASIS ADDED) Mr. Fries admitted that NG had been trolling Will; there's no room to misunderstand that. It's up to him to explain what he meant by that.

    DANCE: On the conceptual level, your logic here doesn't even make sense. "Trolling" someone does not mean "trick someone into believing something" -- those are two different concepts. Someone can troll a person to try to get him to change his beliefs, or he may have other motives entirely.

    MMP: "Troll" (as slang) has many uses and meanings. Tricking someone into believe a falsehood, in order to laugh at their gullibility, is a common form of internet trolling.

    GD: It's one way to troll; but it's not the only way. The most common IME is to post untruths about someone, with the goal of dragging them into a flamewar.

    MMP: "Troll" is derived from "trolling for fish." You troll someone by setting out bait. If they swallow the bait, they have been trolled. Trolling can include convincing them of something that isn't true, goading them into a flame war, or getting them to videotape themselves singing a song in a bar while wearing clown shoes and a Zorro mask.

    DANCE: Take NG's false accusation that I stole Ina Coolbrith's poem from NG. NG was obviously trolling *me* with that lie, but she was certainly not trying to trick *me* into thinking that I stole a poem from her.

    MMP: NancyGene posted Coobrith's poem to AAPC. Not only did you not post it here before her, but you haven't posted it here at all. All that you posted was a spam link to your blaaaargh.

    GJD: Actually, I posted what I always post; an excerpt from the poem and a link. But so what? What does that have to do with NG's false accusation that I stole Ina Coolbrith's poem from her?

    MMP: Did you blaaargh it before she posted it? Who knows? I don't go to your blaaargh, and doubt that it timestamps your posts.

    GD: Yes, I blogged Coolbrith's poem at 8:02 am. Since of course it's timestamped, anyone who does go to the blog would know that. NG posted a different version of the poem onto AAPC hours later. Once again; what does that have to do with NG's trolling?

    DANCE: So what you've produced is a non-sequitur, a fine example of "Bandar-logic".

    MMP: Wrong. I understand that there are many ways in which to "troll" someone online. You lack this understanding.
    Why is no one surprised?

    GD: Since that's another non-sequitur, I'm not at all surprised you came up with it.

    MMP: It's sad to think that two elderly men are either too senile or too stupid to figure that out on their own.

    DANCE: Not everyone is into "Bandar-Logic", Harry, I'd add that I'm sorry that makes you sad, but to be honest IDGAF.

    MMP: Now you're second-handing "Dunce Logic"? Peter Keating could take a course from you in Second-Handing 101.

    GD: No, now I'm repeating a term I've been using for years.

    MMP: We both know that I have been referring to your illogical arguments long before you ever second-handed the "Bandar-Log" from Rudyard Kipling.

    It will be difficult to prove which term came first.
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    Poetry and songs of Will Dockery:
    https://www.reverbnation.com/willdockery

    No, that part is fairly easy to establish. I came up with "Bandar-Logic" in >> 2023, after I'd started using "Bandar-Log" for Team Monkey's riffraff, while >> Peter J Ross was using "DunceLogic" at least a decade before that.

    I find its rather ironic that HarryLiar is accusing me of second-handing PJ's term
    with the one I coined, at the same time he's proudly admitting that he's
    been simply copying PJ all those years.



    And Peter (or someone before him) gave you the name




    Yes, childish name-calling goes back a long way on this newsgoup but thst doesn't make it right.

    [/quote]


    We're discussing second-handing, Donkey.

    If you wish to discuss Netiquette, you can open a new thread on that topic.

    If you wish to apply the principles of Netiquette to your own posts, you can stop all the necro-bumping, starting multiple threads on the same topic, making OT "Hello Jordy" posts, post-editing the statements of others, making false accusations, trying to stir up old fame wars, and butting into other people's conversations.

    Dumbass.


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  • From will.dockery@will.dockery@gmail-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (Will-Dockery) to alt.arts.poetry.comments on Fri Feb 27 17:51:42 2026
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    HarryLime wrote:

    Will Dockery wrote:
    mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) posted:

    George J. Dance wrote:
    Will Dockery wrote:
    mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) posted:
    George J. Dance wrote:
    Michael Monkey Peabrain aka "HarryLime" wrote:
    George J. Dance wrote:

    As Kevin Fries pointed out tonight, NancyGene is troll, after all.

    --
    Poetry and songs of Will Dockery:
    https://www.reverbnation.com/willdockery

    Yes, I've seen the quote:
    "NG helped you find your spine? SHE TROLLED YOU, you still don't have
    one." (EMPHASIS ADDED)

    Mr. Fries would probably argue that he only said NG was trolling you,
    and trolling one person one time doesn't make one a troll; that requires >>> trolling as a habit, trolling more than one person and more than once.
    Since NG has trolled many more than one person, and much more often
    that once - for instance, I'm in this thread only because NG trolled me in >>> with fheir above lies -- I'd say they're a troll, and I'd probably have thought
    that's what Mr. Fries was saying, but he but he might protest that he meant >>> something else.

    Anyway, I'm too busy to get involved, since I've got NG's troll of me
    to take care of, with at least 3 posts from her that need answers in
    this thread alone -- and of course with JLA Forums one has to find the posts
    one by one. So I'll have to break off here for now.

    Mr. Fries said that NancyGene "trolled" the Donkey into thinking he had a spine.

    Thus, Kevin Fries admitted that NancyGene is a troll.

    DANCE: Yes, Harry; Mr. Fries was trying to insult Will with that
    stupid insult. Thank you for that explanation, Captain Obvious.

    MMP: Then why did you say (immediately above) that:

    "Mr. Fries would probably argue that he only said NG was trolling you,
    and trolling one person one time doesn't make one a troll; that requires >>> trolling as a habit, trolling more than one person and more than once..." >>>
    MMP: You were obviously discussing Mr. Fries' statement in a serious manner,

    GD: Yes.

    MMP: and treating it as if he had actually said that she were a troll.

    GD: No - only as if he had actually said that she had trolled Will.

    MMP: You either misunderstood what he'd said, or else you were being you usual deceitful self.

    GD: HarryLiar, I quoted what he said. ""NG helped you find your spine? SHE TROLLED YOU, you still don't have
    one." (EMPHASIS ADDED) Mr. Fries admitted that NG had been trolling Will; there's no room to misunderstand that. It's up to him to explain what he meant by that.

    DANCE: On the conceptual level, your logic here doesn't even make sense. "Trolling" someone does not mean "trick someone into believing something" -- those are two different concepts. Someone can troll a person to try to get him to change his beliefs, or he may have other motives entirely.

    MMP: "Troll" (as slang) has many uses and meanings. Tricking someone into believe a falsehood, in order to laugh at their gullibility, is a common form of internet trolling.

    GD: It's one way to troll; but it's not the only way. The most common IME is to post untruths about someone, with the goal of dragging them into a flamewar.

    MMP: "Troll" is derived from "trolling for fish." You troll someone by setting out bait. If they swallow the bait, they have been trolled. Trolling can include convincing them of something that isn't true, goading them into a flame war, or getting them to videotape themselves singing a song in a bar while wearing clown shoes and a Zorro mask.

    DANCE: Take NG's false accusation that I stole Ina Coolbrith's poem from NG. NG was obviously trolling *me* with that lie, but she was certainly not trying to trick *me* into thinking that I stole a poem from her.

    MMP: NancyGene posted Coobrith's poem to AAPC. Not only did you not post it here before her, but you haven't posted it here at all. All that you posted was a spam link to your blaaaargh.

    GJD: Actually, I posted what I always post; an excerpt from the poem and a link. But so what? What does that have to do with NG's false accusation that I stole Ina Coolbrith's poem from her?

    MMP: Did you blaaargh it before she posted it? Who knows? I don't go to your blaaargh, and doubt that it timestamps your posts.

    GD: Yes, I blogged Coolbrith's poem at 8:02 am. Since of course it's timestamped, anyone who does go to the blog would know that. NG posted a different version of the poem onto AAPC hours later. Once again; what does that have to do with NG's trolling?

    DANCE: So what you've produced is a non-sequitur, a fine example of "Bandar-logic".

    MMP: Wrong. I understand that there are many ways in which to "troll" someone online. You lack this understanding.
    Why is no one surprised?

    GD: Since that's another non-sequitur, I'm not at all surprised you came up with it.

    MMP: It's sad to think that two elderly men are either too senile or too stupid to figure that out on their own.

    DANCE: Not everyone is into "Bandar-Logic", Harry, I'd add that I'm sorry that makes you sad, but to be honest IDGAF.

    MMP: Now you're second-handing "Dunce Logic"? Peter Keating could take a course from you in Second-Handing 101.

    GD: No, now I'm repeating a term I've been using for years.

    MMP: We both know that I have been referring to your illogical arguments long before you ever second-handed the "Bandar-Log" from Rudyard Kipling.

    It will be difficult to prove which term came first.
    --
    Poetry and songs of Will Dockery:
    https://www.reverbnation.com/willdockery

    No, that part is fairly easy to establish. I came up with "Bandar-Logic" in >>> 2023, after I'd started using "Bandar-Log" for Team Monkey's riffraff, while
    Peter J Ross was using "DunceLogic" at least a decade before that.

    I find its rather ironic that HarryLiar is accusing me of second-handing PJ's term
    with the one I coined, at the same time he's proudly admitting that he's >>> been simply copying PJ all those years.



    And Peter (or someone before him) gave you the name



    Yes, childish name-calling goes back a long way on this newsgoup but thst doesn't make it right.






    We're discussing second-handing[/quote]

    Your childish name-calling makes any discussion difficult.

    And so it goes.


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