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nancygene.andjayme@gmail-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (NancyGene) posted:

Will Dockery wrote:

nancygene.andjayme@gmail-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (NancyGene) posted:

Will Dockery wrote:

NancyGene wrote:

Will Dockery wrote:

Poem

Anyway the time has come to explain
the Golden Eternity
and how the iridescent paraphernalia of radiating candles
ceases
when meditation ceases
because I know what it's like to die,
to cease meditating, one day I died,
I fainted actually, I was stooping smelling
strapping flowers in the cosmos yard
of my mother's cozy flower house
in Auffinsham Shire, in Queens,
and stood up fast taking deep breath,
blood rushed from head, next thing I knew
woke up flat on my back in grassy sun
and had been out fine minutes.

And I had seen the Golden Eternity.
The Lamb was alone with the Lamb.
The Babe was alone with the Baby Lamb.
The Shroud was alone with the Golden Shroud.

I was alone with God, who
is God, who was me,
who was All,
he stood high on a hill
overlooking Mexico City
radiating messages
out of a white Tiot

- Jack Kerouac, 1958

"Jack Kerouac is sadder and has suffered more strain than anybody & >>>>>> continues writing haikus & publishing mss. writ in rembrantian poverty."

--Allen Ginsberg to Kenneth Rexroth, Sept 1959
Photo by Frederick W. McDarrah, 1959

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I posted this on the Facebook page for Beatdom, hopefully we will have >>>>>> an answer soon:

"Beatdom editors:
Is there a specific source for this Ginsberg quote about Kerouac that I
can cite? An issue of Beatdom Magazine or a collection of Allen Ginsberg
letters to Kenneth Rexroth? "

Beatdom Magazine responded to me:

" Will Dockery, it's an unpublished letter from the Rexroth archives." >>>>>>
More details as they become available.

The actual Allen Ginsberg letter to Kenneth Rexroth is actually 66 years old, written in 1959.

No, at present I'm waiting for information on the 40 year correspondence between Allen Ginsberg and Kenneth Rexroth, which is where the quote about Jack Kerouac is said to originate.

https://www.beatdom.com/

Why don't you do the research yourself? "Said to originate." Do you doubt your source at "Beatdom?"

No, the editors at Beatdom Magazine seem to know their stuff:

https://www.beatdom.com/beat/

If so, why didn't they tell you where the supposed quote from Ginsberg came from? Answers are vague to none. Could it be,

We already know the letters from Allen Ginsberg to Kenneth Rexroth are mostly unpublished.

I say let's give Beatdom Magazine time to give the information.

You can feel free to go into a tizzy if you prefer.

The editor of Beatdom Magazine responded to me.

And did he tell you where to find the mystery quote?

Yes, see below:

In the Kenneth Rexroth archives.

There are Rexroth archives in several California university library collections. In which collection may we find the letter?

Look for a letter from September 29th 1959 fro Allen Ginsberg to Kenneth Rexroth, I don't know which location you'll find it, though.
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Why don't you ask the editor to narrow it down, because you are the one who is claiming that it is an actual quote from a Ginsberg letter. Right now, all we have is a vague claim that it is somewhere in some archives in some place. That is a David Dalton kind of research. If a person wanted to verify the quote and see the context, how would he do that? We see Rexroth letters in collections at:
University of California, Santa Barbara (UCSB) Library, Special Collections
University of Southern California (USC) Libraries, Special Collections >>>>>> The Morgan Library & Museum in New York City
The State University of New York at Buffalo (University at Buffalo Libraries)
Columbia University
Stanford University
.among other institutions.
We are not going to purchase library cards for all of those, physically visit their reading rooms, and plow through boxes of letters.

That's your choice.

Jack Kerouac scholars already say the letter from Allen Ginsberg to Kenneth Rexroth was dated September 29th 1959, and that's good enough for me.

That's because you are not a scholar

I don't claim to be.

Do you?

Yes.

Okay, so research it.

Beatdom has pulled the (steel) wool (hair) over your eyes

Not really.
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