General Zod wrote:
On Tuesday, April 23, 2019 at 5:45:28 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
Apple Montage
Sneaking around
with Cousin Jenny,
smoking menthol
beyond the sheds.
Late summer vacation 1973
in the backwoods of Tennessee.
To the right
behind the barn
were apple trees.
There were several
of those trees
and other trees
behind them
beyond a field
and behind them, other trees.
Later, I stood near
as a crowd
watched Pops and my Uncle
cooking apple butter;
stirring the brown gunk,
boiling in a huge black kettle.
I saw my father
secretly pass
a wine bottle
to my Uncle Clarence.
I went from
breathing cold mist
out back behind the barn,
to breathing
the hot misty steam.
The air smelled of apple fumes
and strong booze.
-Will Dockery
--------------------------------------------
Here is the "Apple Montage" poem, for scrutiny and comment.
:)
Good let's discuss this now and sort out Pen's lies....
Will-Dockery wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Will Dockery wrote:
mydemon...@gmail.com wrote:
Will Dockery wrote:
Apple Montage
Sneaking around
with Cousin Jenny,
smoking menthol
beyond the sheds.
Late summer vacation 1973
in the backwoods of Tennessee.
To the right
behind the barn
were apple trees.
There were several
of those trees
and other trees
behind them
beyond a field
and behind them, other trees.
Later, I stood near
as a crowd
watched Pops and my Uncle
cooking apple butter;
stirring the brown gunk,
boiling in a huge black kettle.
I saw my father
secretly pass
a wine bottle
to my Uncle Clarence.
I went from
breathing cold mist
out back behind the barn,
to breathing
the hot misty steam.
The air smelled of apple fumes
and strong booze.
-Will Dockery
And here I thought you were going to ask if you could use my de-cluttered version for your next Twitter poem.
No, I wrote about the clutter in the thread, not the poem.
The poem is an almost perfect poetry montage as it is..
Define "poetry montage."
Wikipedia is a good start on defining "montage":
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montage_(filmmaking)
Will Dockery wrote:
Apple Montage
Sneaking around
with Cousin Jenny,
smoking menthol
beyond the sheds.
Late summer vacation 1973
in the backwoods of Tennessee.
To the right
behind the barn
were apple trees.
There were several
of those trees
and other trees
behind them
beyond a field
and behind them, other trees.
Later, I stood near
as a crowd
watched Pops and my Uncle
cooking apple butter;
stirring the brown gunk,
boiling in a huge black kettle.
I saw my father
secretly pass
a wine bottle
to my Uncle Clarence.
I went from
breathing cold mist
out back behind the barn,
to breathing
the hot misty steam.
The air smelled of apple fumes
and strong booze.
-Will Dockery
And here I thought you were going to ask if you could use my de-cluttered version for your next Twitter poem.
No, I wrote about the clutter in the thread, not the poem.
The poem is an almost perfect poetry montage as it is..
Define "poetry montage."
Wikipedia is a good start on defining "montage":
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montage_(filmmaking)
Here is Wikipedia's definition (as per your link):
"A montage (/m'n-et'-E'/ mon-TAHZH) is a film editing technique in which a series of short shots are sequenced to condense space, time, and information. Montages enable filmmakers to communicate a large amount of information to an audience over a shorter span of time by juxtaposing different shots, compressing time through editing, or intertwining multiple storylines of a narrative.
"The term has varied meanings depending on the filmmaking tradition. In French, the word montage applied to cinema simply denotes editing. In Soviet montage theory, as originally introduced outside the USSR by Sergei Eisenstein,[1] it was used to create symbolism.[2] Later, the term "montage sequence", used primarily by British and American studios, became the common technique to suggest the passage of time.[3]
"From the 1930s to the 1950s, montage sequences often combined numerous short shots with special optical effects (fades/dissolves, split screens, double and triple exposures), dance, and music."
Your poem does not even suggest any of the above.
The closest your poem comes to having a montage would be a series of lap dissolves showing the trees behind trees behind trees -- which is merely a bridge between the two scenes depicted, and which has *no* apples mentioned in it.
As previously pointed out, this is not an example of montage poetry, does not contain an example of a montage in it, and is 100% apple free.
You really need to read the articles you link before posting them.
This is a response to the post seen at: http://www.jlaforums.com/viewtopic.php?p=659653060#659653060
Will Dockery wrote:
mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) posted:
Will Dockery wrote:
Apple Montage
Sneaking around
with Cousin Jenny,
smoking menthol
beyond the sheds.
Late summer vacation 1973
in the backwoods of Tennessee.
To the right
behind the barn
were apple trees.
There were several
of those trees
and other trees
behind them
beyond a field
and behind them, other trees.
Later, I stood near
as a crowd
watched Pops and my Uncle
cooking apple butter;
stirring the brown gunk,
boiling in a huge black kettle.
I saw my father
secretly pass
a wine bottle
to my Uncle Clarence.
I went from
breathing cold mist
out back behind the barn,
to breathing
the hot misty steam.
The air smelled of apple fumes
and strong booze.
-Will Dockery
And here I thought you were going to ask if you could use my de-cluttered version for your next Twitter poem.
No, I wrote about the clutter in the thread, not the poem.
The poem is an almost perfect poetry montage as it is..
This is still obvious ^^^
Define "poetry montage."
See my poem "Apple Montage" for an example of ause of montage in poetry.
Wikipedia is a good start on defining "montage":
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montage_(filmmaking)
Here is Wikipedia's definition (as per your link):
"A montage (/m'n-et'-E'/ mon-TAHZH) is a film editing technique in which a series of short shots are sequenced to condense space, time, and information. Montages enable filmmakers to communicate a large amount of information to an audience over a shorter span of time by juxtaposing different shots, compressing time through editing, or intertwining multiple storylines of a narrative.
"The term has varied meanings depending on the filmmaking tradition. In French, the word montage applied to cinema simply denotes editing. In Soviet montage theory, as originally introduced outside the USSR by Sergei Eisenstein,[1] it was used to create symbolism.[2] Later, the term "montage sequence", used primarily by British and American studios, became the common technique to suggest the passage of time.[3]
"From the 1930s to the 1950s, montage sequences often combined numerous short shots with special optical effects (fades/dissolves, split screens, double and triple exposures), dance, and music."
Your poem does not even suggest any of the above.
The closest your poem comes to having a montage would be a series of lap dissolves showing the trees behind trees behind trees -- which is merely a bridge between the two scenes depicted, and which has *no* apples mentioned in it.
As previously pointed out, this is not an example of montage poetry, does not contain an example of a montage in it, and is 100% apple free.
You really need to read the articles you link before posting them.
This is a response to the post seen at:
http://www.jlaforums.com/viewtopic.php?p=659653060#659653060
My poem definitely used montage, this is an argument that is apparently ongoing.
Will Dockery wrote:
mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) posted:
Will Dockery wrote:
Apple Montage
Sneaking around
with Cousin Jenny,
smoking menthol
beyond the sheds.
Late summer vacation 1973
in the backwoods of Tennessee.
To the right
behind the barn
were apple trees.
There were several
of those trees
and other trees
behind them
beyond a field
and behind them, other trees.
Later, I stood near
as a crowd
watched Pops and my Uncle
cooking apple butter;
stirring the brown gunk,
boiling in a huge black kettle.
I saw my father
secretly pass
a wine bottle
to my Uncle Clarence.
I went from
breathing cold mist
out back behind the barn,
to breathing
the hot misty steam.
The air smelled of apple fumes
and strong booze.
-Will Dockery
And here I thought you were going to ask if you could use my de-cluttered version for your next Twitter poem.
No, I wrote about the clutter in the thread, not the poem.
The poem is an almost perfect poetry montage as it is..
This is still obvious ^^^
Define "poetry montage."
See my poem "Apple Montage" for an example of ause of montage in poetry.
Wikipedia is a good start on defining "montage":
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montage_(filmmaking)
Here is Wikipedia's definition (as per your link):
"A montage (/m'n-et'-E'/ mon-TAHZH) is a film editing technique in which a series of short shots are sequenced to condense space, time, and information. Montages enable filmmakers to communicate a large amount of information to an audience over a shorter span of time by juxtaposing different shots, compressing time through editing, or intertwining multiple storylines of a narrative.
"The term has varied meanings depending on the filmmaking tradition. In French, the word montage applied to cinema simply denotes editing. In Soviet montage theory, as originally introduced outside the USSR by Sergei Eisenstein,[1] it was used to create symbolism.[2] Later, the term "montage sequence", used primarily by British and American studios, became the common technique to suggest the passage of time.[3]
"From the 1930s to the 1950s, montage sequences often combined numerous short shots with special optical effects (fades/dissolves, split screens, double and triple exposures), dance, and music."
Your poem does not even suggest any of the above.
The closest your poem comes to having a montage would be a series of lap dissolves showing the trees behind trees behind trees -- which is merely a bridge between the two scenes depicted, and which has *no* apples mentioned in it.
As previously pointed out, this is not an example of montage poetry, does not contain an example of a montage in it, and is 100% apple free.
You really need to read the articles you link before posting them.
This is a response to the post seen at:
http://www.jlaforums.com/viewtopic.php?p=659653060#659653060
My poem definitely used montage, this is an argument that is apparently ongoing.
This argument was settled long ago.
Will Dockery wrote:
mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) posted:
Will Dockery wrote:
mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) posted:
Will Dockery wrote:
Apple Montage
Sneaking around
with Cousin Jenny,
smoking menthol
beyond the sheds.
Late summer vacation 1973
in the backwoods of Tennessee.
To the right
behind the barn
were apple trees.
There were several
of those trees
and other trees
behind them
beyond a field
and behind them, other trees.
Later, I stood near
as a crowd
watched Pops and my Uncle
cooking apple butter;
stirring the brown gunk,
boiling in a huge black kettle.
I saw my father
secretly pass
a wine bottle
to my Uncle Clarence.
I went from
breathing cold mist
out back behind the barn,
to breathing
the hot misty steam.
The air smelled of apple fumes
and strong booze.
-Will Dockery
And here I thought you were going to ask if you could use my de-cluttered version for your next Twitter poem.
No, I wrote about the clutter in the thread, not the poem.
The poem is an almost perfect poetry montage as it is..
Here ^^^
This is still obvious ^^^
Define "poetry montage."
See my poem "Apple Montage" for an example of ause of montage in poetry.
Here ^^^
Wikipedia is a good start on defining "montage":
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montage_(filmmaking)
Here is Wikipedia's definition (as per your link):
"A montage (/m'n-et'-E'/ mon-TAHZH) is a film editing technique in which a series of short shots are sequenced to condense space, time, and information. Montages enable filmmakers to communicate a large amount of information to an audience over a shorter span of time by juxtaposing different shots, compressing time through editing, or intertwining multiple storylines of a narrative.
"The term has varied meanings depending on the filmmaking tradition. In French, the word montage applied to cinema simply denotes editing. In Soviet montage theory, as originally introduced outside the USSR by Sergei Eisenstein,[1] it was used to create symbolism.[2] Later, the term "montage sequence", used primarily by British and American studios, became the common technique to suggest the passage of time.[3]
"From the 1930s to the 1950s, montage sequences often combined numerous short shots with special optical effects (fades/dissolves, split screens, double and triple exposures), dance, and music."
Your poem does not even suggest any of the above.
The closest your poem comes to having a montage would be a series of lap dissolves showing the trees behind trees behind trees -- which is merely a bridge between the two scenes depicted, and which has *no* apples mentioned in it.
As previously pointed out, this is not an example of montage poetry, does not contain an example of a montage in it, and is 100% apple free.
You really need to read the articles you link before posting them.
This is a response to the post seen at:
http://www.jlaforums.com/viewtopic.php?p=659653060#659653060
My poem definitely used montage, this is an argument that is apparently ongoing.
This argument was settled long ago.
Interesting that I was watching a television program about Orson Welles just last night, where montage was mentioned.
Like it or not, my poem does use montage.
HarryLime wrote:
Will Dockery wrote:
mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) posted:
Will Dockery wrote:
mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) posted:
Will Dockery wrote:
Apple Montage
Sneaking around
with Cousin Jenny,
smoking menthol
beyond the sheds.
Late summer vacation 1973
in the backwoods of Tennessee.
To the right
behind the barn
were apple trees.
There were several
of those trees
and other trees
behind them
beyond a field
and behind them, other trees.
Later, I stood near
as a crowd
watched Pops and my Uncle
cooking apple butter;
stirring the brown gunk,
boiling in a huge black kettle.
I saw my father
secretly pass
a wine bottle
to my Uncle Clarence.
I went from
breathing cold mist
out back behind the barn,
to breathing
the hot misty steam.
The air smelled of apple fumes
and strong booze.
-Will Dockery
And here I thought you were going to ask if you could use my de-cluttered version for your next Twitter poem.
No, I wrote about the clutter in the thread, not the poem.
The poem is an almost perfect poetry montage as it is..
Here ^^^
This is still obvious ^^^
Define "poetry montage."
See my poem "Apple Montage" for an example of ause of montage in poetry. >>>
Here ^^^
Wikipedia is a good start on defining "montage":
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montage_(filmmaking)
Here is Wikipedia's definition (as per your link):
"A montage (/m'n-et'-E'/ mon-TAHZH) is a film editing technique in which a series of short shots are sequenced to condense space, time, and information. Montages enable filmmakers to communicate a large amount of information to an audience over a shorter span of time by juxtaposing different shots, compressing time through editing, or intertwining multiple storylines of a narrative.
"The term has varied meanings depending on the filmmaking tradition. In French, the word montage applied to cinema simply denotes editing. In Soviet montage theory, as originally introduced outside the USSR by Sergei Eisenstein,[1] it was used to create symbolism.[2] Later, the term "montage sequence", used primarily by British and American studios, became the common technique to suggest the passage of time.[3]
"From the 1930s to the 1950s, montage sequences often combined numerous short shots with special optical effects (fades/dissolves, split screens, double and triple exposures), dance, and music."
Your poem does not even suggest any of the above.
The closest your poem comes to having a montage would be a series of lap dissolves showing the trees behind trees behind trees -- which is merely a bridge between the two scenes depicted, and which has *no* apples mentioned in it.
As previously pointed out, this is not an example of montage poetry, does not contain an example of a montage in it, and is 100% apple free.
You really need to read the articles you link before posting them.
This is a response to the post seen at:
http://www.jlaforums.com/viewtopic.php?p=659653060#659653060
My poem definitely used montage, this is an argument that is apparently ongoing.
This argument was settled long ago.
Interesting that I was watching a television program about Orson Welles just last night, where montage was mentioned.
Like it or not, my poem does use montage.
I couldn't care less what your poem uses
Will-Dockery wrote:
HarryLime wrote:
Will Dockery wrote:
mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) posted:
Will Dockery wrote:
mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) posted:
Will Dockery wrote:
Apple Montage
Sneaking around
with Cousin Jenny,
smoking menthol
beyond the sheds.
Late summer vacation 1973
in the backwoods of Tennessee.
To the right
behind the barn
were apple trees.
There were several
of those trees
and other trees
behind them
beyond a field
and behind them, other trees.
Later, I stood near
as a crowd
watched Pops and my Uncle
cooking apple butter;
stirring the brown gunk,
boiling in a huge black kettle.
I saw my father
secretly pass
a wine bottle
to my Uncle Clarence.
I went from
breathing cold mist
out back behind the barn,
to breathing
the hot misty steam.
The air smelled of apple fumes
and strong booze.
-Will Dockery
And here I thought you were going to ask if you could use my de-cluttered version for your next Twitter poem.
No, I wrote about the clutter in the thread, not the poem.
The poem is an almost perfect poetry montage as it is..
Here ^^^
This is still obvious ^^^
Define "poetry montage."
See my poem "Apple Montage" for an example of ause of montage in poetry. >>>>
Here ^^^
Wikipedia is a good start on defining "montage":
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montage_(filmmaking)
Here is Wikipedia's definition (as per your link):
"A montage (/m'n-et'-E'/ mon-TAHZH) is a film editing technique in which a series of short shots are sequenced to condense space, time, and information. Montages enable filmmakers to communicate a large amount of information to an audience over a shorter span of time by juxtaposing different shots, compressing time through editing, or intertwining multiple storylines of a narrative.
"The term has varied meanings depending on the filmmaking tradition. In French, the word montage applied to cinema simply denotes editing. In Soviet montage theory, as originally introduced outside the USSR by Sergei Eisenstein,[1] it was used to create symbolism.[2] Later, the term "montage sequence", used primarily by British and American studios, became the common technique to suggest the passage of time.[3]
"From the 1930s to the 1950s, montage sequences often combined numerous short shots with special optical effects (fades/dissolves, split screens, double and triple exposures), dance, and music."
Your poem does not even suggest any of the above.
The closest your poem comes to having a montage would be a series of lap dissolves showing the trees behind trees behind trees -- which is merely a bridge between the two scenes depicted, and which has *no* apples mentioned in it.
As previously pointed out, this is not an example of montage poetry, does not contain an example of a montage in it, and is 100% apple free.
You really need to read the articles you link before posting them.
This is a response to the post seen at:
http://www.jlaforums.com/viewtopic.php?p=659653060#659653060
My poem definitely used montage, this is an argument that is apparently ongoing.
This argument was settled long ago.
Interesting that I was watching a television program about Orson Welles just last night, where montage was mentioned.
Like it or not, my poem does use montage.
I couldn't care less what your poem uses
Obviously.
EfyA
Will Dockery wrote:
Apple Montage
Sneaking around
with Cousin Jenny,
smoking menthol
beyond the sheds.
Late summer vacation 1973
in the backwoods of Tennessee.
To the right
behind the barn
were apple trees.
There were several
of those trees
and other trees
behind them
beyond a field
and behind them, other trees.
Later, I stood near
as a crowd
watched Pops and my Uncle
cooking apple butter;
stirring the brown gunk,
boiling in a huge black kettle.
I saw my father
secretly pass
a wine bottle
to my Uncle Clarence.
I went from
breathing cold mist
out back behind the barn,
to breathing
the hot misty steam.
The air smelled of apple fumes
and strong booze.
-Will Dockery
--------------------------------------------
Here is the "Apple Montage" poem, for scrutiny and comment.
:)
HarryLime wrote:
Will-Dockery wrote:
HarryLime wrote:
Will Dockery wrote:
mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) posted:
Will Dockery wrote:
mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) posted:
Will Dockery wrote:
Apple Montage
Sneaking around
with Cousin Jenny,
smoking menthol
beyond the sheds.
Late summer vacation 1973
in the backwoods of Tennessee.
To the right
behind the barn
were apple trees.
There were several
of those trees
and other trees
behind them
beyond a field
and behind them, other trees.
Later, I stood near
as a crowd
watched Pops and my Uncle
cooking apple butter;
stirring the brown gunk,
boiling in a huge black kettle.
I saw my father
secretly pass
a wine bottle
to my Uncle Clarence.
I went from
breathing cold mist
out back behind the barn,
to breathing
the hot misty steam.
The air smelled of apple fumes
and strong booze.
-Will Dockery
And here I thought you were going to ask if you could use my de-cluttered version for your next Twitter poem.
No, I wrote about the clutter in the thread, not the poem.
The poem is an almost perfect poetry montage as it is..
Here ^^^
This is still obvious ^^^
Define "poetry montage."
See my poem "Apple Montage" for an example of ause of montage in poetry. >>>>>
Here ^^^
Wikipedia is a good start on defining "montage":
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montage_(filmmaking)
Here is Wikipedia's definition (as per your link):
"A montage (/m'n-et'-E'/ mon-TAHZH) is a film editing technique in which a series of short shots are sequenced to condense space, time, and information. Montages enable filmmakers to communicate a large amount of information to an audience over a shorter span of time by juxtaposing different shots, compressing time through editing, or intertwining multiple storylines of a narrative.
"The term has varied meanings depending on the filmmaking tradition. In French, the word montage applied to cinema simply denotes editing. In Soviet montage theory, as originally introduced outside the USSR by Sergei Eisenstein,[1] it was used to create symbolism.[2] Later, the term "montage sequence", used primarily by British and American studios, became the common technique to suggest the passage of time.[3]
"From the 1930s to the 1950s, montage sequences often combined numerous short shots with special optical effects (fades/dissolves, split screens, double and triple exposures), dance, and music."
Your poem does not even suggest any of the above.
The closest your poem comes to having a montage would be a series of lap dissolves showing the trees behind trees behind trees -- which is merely a bridge between the two scenes depicted, and which has *no* apples mentioned in it.
As previously pointed out, this is not an example of montage poetry, does not contain an example of a montage in it, and is 100% apple free.
You really need to read the articles you link before posting them.
This is a response to the post seen at:
http://www.jlaforums.com/viewtopic.php?p=659653060#659653060
My poem definitely used montage, this is an argument that is apparently ongoing.
This argument was settled long ago.
Interesting that I was watching a television program about Orson Welles just last night, where montage was mentioned.
Like it or not, my poem does use montage.
I couldn't care less what your poem uses
Obviously.
No apples or montages in this photo, either
Will Dockery wrote:
HarryLime wrote:
Will Dockery wrote:
mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) posted:
Will Dockery wrote:
Apple Montage
Sneaking around
with Cousin Jenny,
smoking menthol
beyond the sheds.
Late summer vacation 1973
in the backwoods of Tennessee.
To the right
behind the barn
were apple trees.
There were several
of those trees
and other trees
behind them
beyond a field
and behind them, other trees.
Later, I stood near
as a crowd
watched Pops and my Uncle
cooking apple butter;
stirring the brown gunk,
boiling in a huge black kettle.
I saw my father
secretly pass
a wine bottle
to my Uncle Clarence.
I went from
breathing cold mist
out back behind the barn,
to breathing
the hot misty steam.
The air smelled of apple fumes
and strong booze.
-Will Dockery
And here I thought you were going to ask if you could use my de-cluttered version for your next Twitter poem.
No, I wrote about the clutter in the thread, not the poem.
The poem is an almost perfect poetry montage as it is..
Here ^^^
This is still obvious ^^^
Define "poetry montage."
See my poem "Apple Montage" for an example of ause of montage in poetry.
Here ^^^
Wikipedia is a good start on defining "montage":Interesting that I was watching a television program about Orson Welles just last night, where montage was mentioned.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montage_(filmmaking)
Here is Wikipedia's definition (as per your link):
"A montage (/m'n-et'-E'/ mon-TAHZH) is a film editing technique in which a series of short shots are sequenced to condense space, time, and information. Montages enable filmmakers to communicate a large amount of information to an audience over a shorter span of time by juxtaposing different shots, compressing time through editing, or intertwining multiple storylines of a narrative.
"The term has varied meanings depending on the filmmaking tradition. In French, the word montage applied to cinema simply denotes editing. In Soviet montage theory, as originally introduced outside the USSR by Sergei Eisenstein,[1] it was used to create symbolism.[2] Later, the term "montage sequence", used primarily by British and American studios, became the common technique to suggest the passage of time.[3]
"From the 1930s to the 1950s, montage sequences often combined numerous short shots with special optical effects (fades/dissolves, split screens, double and triple exposures), dance, and music."
Your poem does not even suggest any of the above.
The closest your poem comes to having a montage would be a series of lap dissolves showing the trees behind trees behind trees -- which is merely a bridge between the two scenes depicted, and which has *no* apples mentioned in it.
As previously pointed out, this is not an example of montage poetry, does not contain an example of a montage in it, and is 100% apple free.
You really need to read the articles you link before posting them.
This is a response to the post seen at:
http://www.jlaforums.com/viewtopic.php?p=659653060#659653060
My poem definitely used montage, this is an argument that is apparently ongoing.
This argument was settled long ago.
Like it or not, my poem does use montage.
I couldn't care less what your poem uses
Obviously.
No apples or montages in this photo
Will Dockery wrote:
mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) posted:
Will Dockery wrote:
HarryLime wrote:
Will Dockery wrote:
mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) posted:
Will Dockery wrote:
Apple Montage
Sneaking around
with Cousin Jenny,
smoking menthol
beyond the sheds.
Late summer vacation 1973
in the backwoods of Tennessee.
To the right
behind the barn
were apple trees.
There were several
of those trees
and other trees
behind them
beyond a field
and behind them, other trees.
Later, I stood near
as a crowd
watched Pops and my Uncle
cooking apple butter;
stirring the brown gunk,
boiling in a huge black kettle.
I saw my father
secretly pass
a wine bottle
to my Uncle Clarence.
I went from
breathing cold mist
out back behind the barn,
to breathing
the hot misty steam.
The air smelled of apple fumes
and strong booze.
-Will Dockery
And here I thought you were going to ask if you could use my de-cluttered version for your next Twitter poem.
No, I wrote about the clutter in the thread, not the poem.
The poem is an almost perfect poetry montage as it is..
Here ^^^
This is still obvious ^^^
Define "poetry montage."
See my poem "Apple Montage" for an example of ause of montage in poetry.
Here ^^^
Wikipedia is a good start on defining "montage":
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montage_(filmmaking)
Here is Wikipedia's definition (as per your link):
"A montage (/m'n-et'-E'/ mon-TAHZH) is a film editing technique in which a series of short shots are sequenced to condense space, time, and information. Montages enable filmmakers to communicate a large amount of information to an audience over a shorter span of time by juxtaposing different shots, compressing time through editing, or intertwining multiple storylines of a narrative.
"The term has varied meanings depending on the filmmaking tradition. In French, the word montage applied to cinema simply denotes editing. In Soviet montage theory, as originally introduced outside the USSR by Sergei Eisenstein,[1] it was used to create symbolism.[2] Later, the term "montage sequence", used primarily by British and American studios, became the common technique to suggest the passage of time.[3]
"From the 1930s to the 1950s, montage sequences often combined numerous short shots with special optical effects (fades/dissolves, split screens, double and triple exposures), dance, and music."
Your poem does not even suggest any of the above.
The closest your poem comes to having a montage would be a series of lap dissolves showing the trees behind trees behind trees -- which is merely a bridge between the two scenes depicted, and which has *no* apples mentioned in it.
As previously pointed out, this is not an example of montage poetry, does not contain an example of a montage in it, and is 100% apple free.
You really need to read the articles you link before posting them.
This is a response to the post seen at:
http://www.jlaforums.com/viewtopic.php?p=659653060#659653060
My poem definitely used montage, this is an argument that is apparently ongoing.
This argument was settled long ago.
Interesting that I was watching a television program about Orson Welles just last night, where montage was mentioned.
Like it or not, my poem does use montage.
I couldn't care less what your poem uses
Obviously.
No apples or montages in this photo
You're mistaken.
Will Dockery wrote:
HarryLime wrote:
Will Dockery wrote:
mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) posted:
Will Dockery wrote:
Apple Montage
Sneaking around
with Cousin Jenny,
smoking menthol
beyond the sheds.
Late summer vacation 1973
in the backwoods of Tennessee.
To the right
behind the barn
were apple trees.
There were several
of those trees
and other trees
behind them
beyond a field
and behind them, other trees.
Later, I stood near
as a crowd
watched Pops and my Uncle
cooking apple butter;
stirring the brown gunk,
boiling in a huge black kettle.
I saw my father
secretly pass
a wine bottle
to my Uncle Clarence.
I went from
breathing cold mist
out back behind the barn,
to breathing
the hot misty steam.
The air smelled of apple fumes
and strong booze.
-Will Dockery
And here I thought you were going to ask if you could use my de-cluttered version for your next Twitter poem.
No, I wrote about the clutter in the thread, not the poem.
The poem is an almost perfect poetry montage as it is..
Here ^^^
This is still obvious ^^^
Define "poetry montage."
See my poem "Apple Montage" for an example of ause of montage in poetry. >>
Here ^^^
Wikipedia is a good start on defining "montage":
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montage_(filmmaking)
Here is Wikipedia's definition (as per your link):
"A montage (/m'n-et'-E'/ mon-TAHZH) is a film editing technique in which a series of short shots are sequenced to condense space, time, and information. Montages enable filmmakers to communicate a large amount of information to an audience over a shorter span of time by juxtaposing different shots, compressing time through editing, or intertwining multiple storylines of a narrative.
"The term has varied meanings depending on the filmmaking tradition. In French, the word montage applied to cinema simply denotes editing. In Soviet montage theory, as originally introduced outside the USSR by Sergei Eisenstein,[1] it was used to create symbolism.[2] Later, the term "montage sequence", used primarily by British and American studios, became the common technique to suggest the passage of time.[3]
"From the 1930s to the 1950s, montage sequences often combined numerous short shots with special optical effects (fades/dissolves, split screens, double and triple exposures), dance, and music."
Your poem does not even suggest any of the above.
The closest your poem comes to having a montage would be a series of lap dissolves showing the trees behind trees behind trees -- which is merely a bridge between the two scenes depicted, and which has *no* apples mentioned in it.
As previously pointed out, this is not an example of montage poetry, does not contain an example of a montage in it, and is 100% apple free.
You really need to read the articles you link before posting them.
This is a response to the post seen at:
http://www.jlaforums.com/viewtopic.php?p=659653060#659653060
My poem definitely used montage, this is an argument that is apparently ongoing.
This argument was settled long ago.
Interesting that I was watching a television program about Orson Welles just last night, where montage was mentioned.
Like it or not, my poem does use montage.
I couldn't care less what your poem uses
Obviously.
No apples or montages in this photo
HarryLime wrote:
Will Dockery wrote:
mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) posted:
Will Dockery wrote:
mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) posted:
Will Dockery wrote:
Apple Montage
Sneaking around
with Cousin Jenny,
smoking menthol
beyond the sheds.
Late summer vacation 1973
in the backwoods of Tennessee.
To the right
behind the barn
were apple trees.
There were several
of those trees
and other trees
behind them
beyond a field
and behind them, other trees.
Later, I stood near
as a crowd
watched Pops and my Uncle
cooking apple butter;
stirring the brown gunk,
boiling in a huge black kettle.
I saw my father
secretly pass
a wine bottle
to my Uncle Clarence.
I went from
breathing cold mist
out back behind the barn,
to breathing
the hot misty steam.
The air smelled of apple fumes
and strong booze.
-Will Dockery
And here I thought you were going to ask if you could use my de-cluttered version for your next Twitter poem.
No, I wrote about the clutter in the thread, not the poem.
The poem is an almost perfect poetry montage as it is..
Here ^^^
This is still obvious ^^^
Define "poetry montage."
See my poem "Apple Montage" for an example of ause of montage in poetry. >>>
Here ^^^
Wikipedia is a good start on defining "montage":
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montage_(filmmaking)
Here is Wikipedia's definition (as per your link):
"A montage (/m'n-et'-E'/ mon-TAHZH) is a film editing technique in which a series of short shots are sequenced to condense space, time, and information. Montages enable filmmakers to communicate a large amount of information to an audience over a shorter span of time by juxtaposing different shots, compressing time through editing, or intertwining multiple storylines of a narrative.
"The term has varied meanings depending on the filmmaking tradition. In French, the word montage applied to cinema simply denotes editing. In Soviet montage theory, as originally introduced outside the USSR by Sergei Eisenstein,[1] it was used to create symbolism.[2] Later, the term "montage sequence", used primarily by British and American studios, became the common technique to suggest the passage of time.[3]
"From the 1930s to the 1950s, montage sequences often combined numerous short shots with special optical effects (fades/dissolves, split screens, double and triple exposures), dance, and music."
Your poem does not even suggest any of the above.
The closest your poem comes to having a montage would be a series of lap dissolves showing the trees behind trees behind trees -- which is merely a bridge between the two scenes depicted, and which has *no* apples mentioned in it.
As previously pointed out, this is not an example of montage poetry, does not contain an example of a montage in it, and is 100% apple free.
You really need to read the articles you link before posting them.
This is a response to the post seen at:
http://www.jlaforums.com/viewtopic.php?p=659653060#659653060
My poem definitely used montage, this is an argument that is apparently ongoing.
This argument was settled long ago.
Interesting that I was watching a television program about Orson Welles just last night, where montage was mentioned.
Like it or not, my poem does use montage.
You cannot point out *one* specific example of montage in your poem.
Will Dockery wrote:
mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) posted:
Will Dockery wrote:
HarryLime wrote:
Will Dockery wrote:
mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) posted:
Will Dockery wrote:
Apple Montage
Sneaking around
with Cousin Jenny,
smoking menthol
beyond the sheds.
Late summer vacation 1973
in the backwoods of Tennessee.
To the right
behind the barn
were apple trees.
There were several
of those trees
and other trees
behind them
beyond a field
and behind them, other trees.
Later, I stood near
as a crowd
watched Pops and my Uncle
cooking apple butter;
stirring the brown gunk,
boiling in a huge black kettle.
I saw my father
secretly pass
a wine bottle
to my Uncle Clarence.
I went from
breathing cold mist
out back behind the barn,
to breathing
the hot misty steam.
The air smelled of apple fumes
and strong booze.
-Will Dockery
And here I thought you were going to ask if you could use my de-cluttered version for your next Twitter poem.
No, I wrote about the clutter in the thread, not the poem.
The poem is an almost perfect poetry montage as it is..
Here ^^^
This is still obvious ^^^
Define "poetry montage."
See my poem "Apple Montage" for an example of ause of montage in poetry.
Here ^^^
Wikipedia is a good start on defining "montage":
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montage_(filmmaking)
Here is Wikipedia's definition (as per your link):
"A montage (/m'n-et'-E'/ mon-TAHZH) is a film editing technique in which a series of short shots are sequenced to condense space, time, and information. Montages enable filmmakers to communicate a large amount of information to an audience over a shorter span of time by juxtaposing different shots, compressing time through editing, or intertwining multiple storylines of a narrative.
"The term has varied meanings depending on the filmmaking tradition. In French, the word montage applied to cinema simply denotes editing. In Soviet montage theory, as originally introduced outside the USSR by Sergei Eisenstein,[1] it was used to create symbolism.[2] Later, the term "montage sequence", used primarily by British and American studios, became the common technique to suggest the passage of time.[3]
"From the 1930s to the 1950s, montage sequences often combined numerous short shots with special optical effects (fades/dissolves, split screens, double and triple exposures), dance, and music."
Your poem does not even suggest any of the above.
The closest your poem comes to having a montage would be a series of lap dissolves showing the trees behind trees behind trees -- which is merely a bridge between the two scenes depicted, and which has *no* apples mentioned in it.
As previously pointed out, this is not an example of montage poetry, does not contain an example of a montage in it, and is 100% apple free.
You really need to read the articles you link before posting them.
This is a response to the post seen at:
http://www.jlaforums.com/viewtopic.php?p=659653060#659653060
My poem definitely used montage, this is an argument that is apparently ongoing.
This argument was settled long ago.
Interesting that I was watching a television program about Orson Welles just last night, where montage was mentioned.
Like it or not, my poem does use montage.
I couldn't care less what your poem uses
Obviously.
No apples or montages in this photo
I don't remember the photograph right now and I'm not on JLA Forums but I think it was an example of how the trees looked in my dream that the poem was based on.
Will-Dockery wrote:
HarryLime wrote:
Will Dockery wrote:
mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) posted:
Will Dockery wrote:
mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) posted:
Will Dockery wrote:
Apple Montage
Sneaking around
with Cousin Jenny,
smoking menthol
beyond the sheds.
Late summer vacation 1973
in the backwoods of Tennessee.
To the right
behind the barn
were apple trees.
There were several
of those trees
and other trees
behind them
beyond a field
and behind them, other trees.
Later, I stood near
as a crowd
watched Pops and my Uncle
cooking apple butter;
stirring the brown gunk,
boiling in a huge black kettle.
I saw my father
secretly pass
a wine bottle
to my Uncle Clarence.
I went from
breathing cold mist
out back behind the barn,
to breathing
the hot misty steam.
The air smelled of apple fumes
and strong booze.
-Will Dockery
And here I thought you were going to ask if you could use my de-cluttered version for your next Twitter poem.
No, I wrote about the clutter in the thread, not the poem.
The poem is an almost perfect poetry montage as it is..
Here ^^^
This is still obvious ^^^
Define "poetry montage."
See my poem "Apple Montage" for an example of ause of montage in poetry. >>>>
Here ^^^
Wikipedia is a good start on defining "montage":
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montage_(filmmaking)
Here is Wikipedia's definition (as per your link):
"A montage (/m'n-et'-E'/ mon-TAHZH) is a film editing technique in which a series of short shots are sequenced to condense space, time, and information. Montages enable filmmakers to communicate a large amount of information to an audience over a shorter span of time by juxtaposing different shots, compressing time through editing, or intertwining multiple storylines of a narrative.
"The term has varied meanings depending on the filmmaking tradition. In French, the word montage applied to cinema simply denotes editing. In Soviet montage theory, as originally introduced outside the USSR by Sergei Eisenstein,[1] it was used to create symbolism.[2] Later, the term "montage sequence", used primarily by British and American studios, became the common technique to suggest the passage of time.[3]
"From the 1930s to the 1950s, montage sequences often combined numerous short shots with special optical effects (fades/dissolves, split screens, double and triple exposures), dance, and music."
Your poem does not even suggest any of the above.
The closest your poem comes to having a montage would be a series of lap dissolves showing the trees behind trees behind trees -- which is merely a bridge between the two scenes depicted, and which has *no* apples mentioned in it.
As previously pointed out, this is not an example of montage poetry, does not contain an example of a montage in it, and is 100% apple free.
You really need to read the articles you link before posting them.
This is a response to the post seen at:
http://www.jlaforums.com/viewtopic.php?p=659653060#659653060
My poem definitely used montage, this is an argument that is apparently ongoing.
This argument was settled long ago.
Interesting that I was watching a television program about Orson Welles just last night, where montage was mentioned.
Like it or not, my poem does use montage.
You cannot point out *one* specific example of montage in your poem.
The entire poem is montage.
Will Dockery wrote:
mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) posted:
Will Dockery wrote:
mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) posted:
Will Dockery wrote:
Apple Montage
Sneaking around
with Cousin Jenny,
smoking menthol
beyond the sheds.
Late summer vacation 1973
in the backwoods of Tennessee.
To the right
behind the barn
were apple trees.
There were several
of those trees
and other trees
behind them
beyond a field
and behind them, other trees.
Later, I stood near
as a crowd
watched Pops and my Uncle
cooking apple butter;
stirring the brown gunk,
boiling in a huge black kettle.
I saw my father
secretly pass
a wine bottle
to my Uncle Clarence.
I went from
breathing cold mist
out back behind the barn,
to breathing
the hot misty steam.
The air smelled of apple fumes
and strong booze.
-Will Dockery
And here I thought you were going to ask if you could use my de-cluttered version for your next Twitter poem.
No, I wrote about the clutter in the thread, not the poem.
The poem is an almost perfect poetry montage as it is..
Here ^^^
This is still obvious ^^^
Define "poetry montage."
See my poem "Apple Montage" for an example of ause of montage in poetry. >>
Here ^^^
Wikipedia is a good start on defining "montage":
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montage_(filmmaking)
Here is Wikipedia's definition (as per your link):
"A montage (/m'n-et'-E'/ mon-TAHZH) is a film editing technique in which a series of short shots are sequenced to condense space, time, and information. Montages enable filmmakers to communicate a large amount of information to an audience over a shorter span of time by juxtaposing different shots, compressing time through editing, or intertwining multiple storylines of a narrative.
"The term has varied meanings depending on the filmmaking tradition. In French, the word montage applied to cinema simply denotes editing. In Soviet montage theory, as originally introduced outside the USSR by Sergei Eisenstein,[1] it was used to create symbolism.[2] Later, the term "montage sequence", used primarily by British and American studios, became the common technique to suggest the passage of time.[3]
"From the 1930s to the 1950s, montage sequences often combined numerous short shots with special optical effects (fades/dissolves, split screens, double and triple exposures), dance, and music."
Your poem does not even suggest any of the above.
The closest your poem comes to having a montage would be a series of lap dissolves showing the trees behind trees behind trees -- which is merely a bridge between the two scenes depicted, and which has *no* apples mentioned in it.
As previously pointed out, this is not an example of montage poetry, does not contain an example of a montage in it, and is 100% apple free.
You really need to read the articles you link before posting them.
This is a response to the post seen at:
http://www.jlaforums.com/viewtopic.php?p=659653060#659653060
My poem definitely used montage, this is an argument that is apparently ongoing.
This argument was settled long ago.
Interesting that I was watching a television program about Orson Welles just last night, where montage was mentioned.
Like it or not, my poem does use montage.
I couldn't care less what your poem uses
Obviously.
No apples or montages in this photo
I don't remember the photograph right now and I'm not on JLA Forums but I think it was an example of how the trees looked in my dream that the poem was based on.
A group of people sitting on a rock in front of a forest is not an example of montage
Will Dockery wrote:
Apple Montage
Sneaking around
with Cousin Jenny,
smoking menthol
beyond the sheds.
Late summer vacation 1973
in the backwoods of Tennessee.
To the right
behind the barn
were apple trees.
There were several
of those trees
and other trees
behind them
beyond a field
and behind them, other trees.
Later, I stood near
as a crowd
watched Pops and my Uncle
cooking apple butter;
stirring the brown gunk,
boiling in a huge black kettle.
I saw my father
secretly pass
a wine bottle
to my Uncle Clarence.
I went from
breathing cold mist
out back behind the barn,
to breathing
the hot misty steam.
The air smelled of apple fumes
and strong booze.
-Will Dockery
--------------------------------------------
Here is the "Apple Montage" poem, for scrutiny and comment.
:)
Will Dockery wrote:
mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) posted:
Will-Dockery wrote:
HarryLime wrote:
Will Dockery wrote:
Apple Montage
Sneaking around
with Cousin Jenny,
smoking menthol
beyond the sheds.
Late summer vacation 1973
in the backwoods of Tennessee.
To the right
behind the barn
were apple trees.
There were several
of those trees
and other trees
behind them
beyond a field
and behind them, other trees.
Later, I stood near
as a crowd
watched Pops and my Uncle
cooking apple butter;
stirring the brown gunk,
boiling in a huge black kettle.
I saw my father
secretly pass
a wine bottle
to my Uncle Clarence.
I went from
breathing cold mist
out back behind the barn,
to breathing
the hot misty steam.
The air smelled of apple fumes
and strong booze.
-Will Dockery
And here I thought you were going to ask if you could use my de-cluttered version for your next Twitter poem.
No, I wrote about the clutter in the thread, not the poem.
The poem is an almost perfect poetry montage as it is..
Here ^^^
This is still obvious ^^^
Define "poetry montage."
See my poem "Apple Montage" for an example of ause of montage in poetry.
Here ^^^
Wikipedia is a good start on defining "montage":
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montage_(filmmaking)
Here is Wikipedia's definition (as per your link):
"A montage (/m'n-et'-E'/ mon-TAHZH) is a film editing technique in which a series of short shots are sequenced to condense space, time, and information. Montages enable filmmakers to communicate a large amount of information to an audience over a shorter span of time by juxtaposing different shots, compressing time through editing, or intertwining multiple storylines of a narrative.
"The term has varied meanings depending on the filmmaking tradition. In French, the word montage applied to cinema simply denotes editing. In Soviet montage theory, as originally introduced outside the USSR by Sergei Eisenstein,[1] it was used to create symbolism.[2] Later, the term "montage sequence", used primarily by British and American studios, became the common technique to suggest the passage of time.[3]
"From the 1930s to the 1950s, montage sequences often combined numerous short shots with special optical effects (fades/dissolves, split screens, double and triple exposures), dance, and music."
Your poem does not even suggest any of the above.
The closest your poem comes to having a montage would be a series of lap dissolves showing the trees behind trees behind trees -- which is merely a bridge between the two scenes depicted, and which has *no* apples mentioned in it.
As previously pointed out, this is not an example of montage poetry, does not contain an example of a montage in it, and is 100% apple free.
You really need to read the articles you link before posting them.
This is a response to the post seen at:
http://www.jlaforums.com/viewtopic.php?p=659653060#659653060
My poem definitely used montage, this is an argument that is apparently ongoing.
This argument was settled long ago.
Interesting that I was watching a television program about Orson Welles just last night, where montage was mentioned.
Like it or not, my poem does use montage.
You cannot point out *one* specific example of montage in your poem.
The entire poem is montage.
Do you still not know what a montage is?
I know exactly what a montage is, and knew from the start.
A montage poem is *structured* to present a series of separate images/ideas that, when taken together, create a bigger picture/concept.
Here is an example of a montage poem:
HOLIDAY SEASON
Christmas carols, jingle bells
Snowflakes, snowballs, Yuletide spells,
Stringing popcorn, trimming trees
Bedtime prayers on bended knees,
Roasted chestnuts, gingerbread
Rum-fed fruitcake, wooden sled
Hearthside glances, mistletoe
Romances by candleglow,
Winter wishes, Winter cheer
Usher in the coming year.
Christmas cookies, pumpkin pie
Reindeer flying 'cross the sky,
Sprigs of holly deck the halls
Girls dress up for Winter balls,
Rum punch, egg nog, nutmeg, clove
Choirs singing hymns of love,
Angels perched atop each tree
Elves on shelves for all to see,
Figgy puddings, fatted geese
Red wool stockings trimmed with fleece,
Ghosts of Christmas Future, Past
Christmas presents here at last!
Midnight masses, Santa comes,
Fairies made of sugarplums,
Watch for Rudolph's nosey glow
Crosby on the radio,
Manger scenes, a silent night
Dreams of Christmases of white,
Peace on earth, goodwill to men
Christmas time is here again.
There is no narrative -- just a list of things related to the Holiday season.
The succession of Holiday-related images play off of one another to create a bigger concept (an embodiment of the Holiday season) that one would not get from any of the images taken singularly.
If your poem doesn't follow this montage structure, it is not a montage poem.
Your poem, as I've told you several dozen times, is two scenes with a bridge. The bridge could be envisioned as a montage (a means of transitioning between the two scenes) but it is inconsequential to the action of either. And it doesn't contain any images of apples.
Untrue, since the trees described are *apple* trees.
Will Dockery wrote:
mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) posted:
Will Dockery wrote:
Apple Montage
Sneaking around
with Cousin Jenny,
smoking menthol
beyond the sheds.
Late summer vacation 1973
in the backwoods of Tennessee.
To the right
behind the barn
were apple trees.
There were several
of those trees
and other trees
behind them
beyond a field
and behind them, other trees.
Later, I stood near
as a crowd
watched Pops and my Uncle
cooking apple butter;
stirring the brown gunk,
boiling in a huge black kettle.
I saw my father
secretly pass
a wine bottle
to my Uncle Clarence.
I went from
breathing cold mist
out back behind the barn,
to breathing
the hot misty steam.
The air smelled of apple fumes
and strong booze.
-Will Dockery
And here I thought you were going to ask if you could use my de-cluttered version for your next Twitter poem.
No, I wrote about the clutter in the thread, not the poem.
The poem is an almost perfect poetry montage as it is..
Here ^^^
This is still obvious ^^^
Define "poetry montage."
See my poem "Apple Montage" for an example of ause of montage in poetry. >>
Here ^^^
Wikipedia is a good start on defining "montage":
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montage_(filmmaking)
Here is Wikipedia's definition (as per your link):
"A montage (/m'n-et'-E'/ mon-TAHZH) is a film editing technique in which a series of short shots are sequenced to condense space, time, and information. Montages enable filmmakers to communicate a large amount of information to an audience over a shorter span of time by juxtaposing different shots, compressing time through editing, or intertwining multiple storylines of a narrative.
"The term has varied meanings depending on the filmmaking tradition. In French, the word montage applied to cinema simply denotes editing. In Soviet montage theory, as originally introduced outside the USSR by Sergei Eisenstein,[1] it was used to create symbolism.[2] Later, the term "montage sequence", used primarily by British and American studios, became the common technique to suggest the passage of time.[3]
"From the 1930s to the 1950s, montage sequences often combined numerous short shots with special optical effects (fades/dissolves, split screens, double and triple exposures), dance, and music."
Your poem does not even suggest any of the above.
The closest your poem comes to having a montage would be a series of lap dissolves showing the trees behind trees behind trees -- which is merely a bridge between the two scenes depicted, and which has *no* apples mentioned in it.
As previously pointed out, this is not an example of montage poetry, does not contain an example of a montage in it, and is 100% apple free.
You really need to read the articles you link before posting them.
This is a response to the post seen at:
http://www.jlaforums.com/viewtopic.php?p=659653060#659653060
My poem definitely used montage, this is an argument that is apparently ongoing.
This argument was settled long ago.
Interesting that I was watching a television program about Orson Welles just last night, where montage was mentioned.
Like it or not, my poem does use montage.
You cannot point out *one* specific example of montage in your poem.
The entire poem is montage.
Do you still not know what a montage is?
I know exactly what a montage is, and knew from the start.
A montage poem is *structured* to present a series of separate images/ideas that, when taken together, create a bigger picture/concept.
Here is an example of a montage poem:
HOLIDAY SEASON
Christmas carols, jingle bells
Snowflakes, snowballs, Yuletide spells,
Stringing popcorn, trimming trees
Bedtime prayers on bended knees,
Roasted chestnuts, gingerbread
Rum-fed fruitcake, wooden sled
Hearthside glances, mistletoe
Romances by candleglow,
Winter wishes, Winter cheer
Usher in the coming year.
Christmas cookies, pumpkin pie
Reindeer flying 'cross the sky,
Sprigs of holly deck the halls
Girls dress up for Winter balls,
Rum punch, egg nog, nutmeg, clove
Choirs singing hymns of love,
Angels perched atop each tree
Elves on shelves for all to see,
Figgy puddings, fatted geese
Red wool stockings trimmed with fleece,
Ghosts of Christmas Future, Past
Christmas presents here at last!
Midnight masses, Santa comes,
Fairies made of sugarplums,
Watch for Rudolph's nosey glow
Crosby on the radio,
Manger scenes, a silent night
Dreams of Christmases of white,
Peace on earth, goodwill to men
Christmas time is here again.
There is no narrative -- just a list of things related to the Holiday season.
The succession of Holiday-related images play off of one another to create a bigger concept (an embodiment of the Holiday season) that one would not get from any of the images taken singularly.
If your poem doesn't follow this montage structure, it is not a montage poem.
Your poem, as I've told you several dozen times, is two scenes with a bridge. The bridge could be envisioned as a montage (a means of transitioning between the two scenes) but it is inconsequential to the action of either. And it doesn't contain any images of apples.
Untrue, since the trees described are *apple* trees.
Is the title of your poem
Will Dockery wrote:
mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) posted:
Will Dockery wrote:
mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) posted:
Will Dockery wrote:
Apple Montage
Sneaking around
with Cousin Jenny,
smoking menthol
beyond the sheds.
Late summer vacation 1973
in the backwoods of Tennessee.
To the right
behind the barn
were apple trees.
There were several
of those trees
and other trees
behind them
beyond a field
and behind them, other trees.
Later, I stood near
as a crowd
watched Pops and my Uncle
cooking apple butter;
stirring the brown gunk,
boiling in a huge black kettle.
I saw my father
secretly pass
a wine bottle
to my Uncle Clarence.
I went from
breathing cold mist
out back behind the barn,
to breathing
the hot misty steam.
The air smelled of apple fumes
and strong booze.
-Will Dockery
And here I thought you were going to ask if you could use my de-cluttered version for your next Twitter poem.
No, I wrote about the clutter in the thread, not the poem.
The poem is an almost perfect poetry montage as it is..
Here ^^^
This is still obvious ^^^
Define "poetry montage."
See my poem "Apple Montage" for an example of ause of montage in poetry.
Here ^^^
Wikipedia is a good start on defining "montage":
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montage_(filmmaking)
Here is Wikipedia's definition (as per your link):
"A montage (/m'n-et'-E'/ mon-TAHZH) is a film editing technique in which a series of short shots are sequenced to condense space, time, and information. Montages enable filmmakers to communicate a large amount of information to an audience over a shorter span of time by juxtaposing different shots, compressing time through editing, or intertwining multiple storylines of a narrative.
"The term has varied meanings depending on the filmmaking tradition. In French, the word montage applied to cinema simply denotes editing. In Soviet montage theory, as originally introduced outside the USSR by Sergei Eisenstein,[1] it was used to create symbolism.[2] Later, the term "montage sequence", used primarily by British and American studios, became the common technique to suggest the passage of time.[3]
"From the 1930s to the 1950s, montage sequences often combined numerous short shots with special optical effects (fades/dissolves, split screens, double and triple exposures), dance, and music."
Your poem does not even suggest any of the above.
The closest your poem comes to having a montage would be a series of lap dissolves showing the trees behind trees behind trees -- which is merely a bridge between the two scenes depicted, and which has *no* apples mentioned in it.
As previously pointed out, this is not an example of montage poetry, does not contain an example of a montage in it, and is 100% apple free.
You really need to read the articles you link before posting them.
This is a response to the post seen at:
http://www.jlaforums.com/viewtopic.php?p=659653060#659653060
My poem definitely used montage, this is an argument that is apparently ongoing.
This argument was settled long ago.
Interesting that I was watching a television program about Orson Welles just last night, where montage was mentioned.
Like it or not, my poem does use montage.
You cannot point out *one* specific example of montage in your poem.
The entire poem is montage.
Do you still not know what a montage is?
I've known about montage since the 1970s.
I know exactly what a montage is, and knew from the start.
A montage poem is *structured* to present a series of separate images/ideas that, when taken together, create a bigger picture/concept.
Here is an example of a montage poem:
HOLIDAY SEASON
Christmas carols, jingle bells
Snowflakes, snowballs, Yuletide spells,
Stringing popcorn, trimming trees
Bedtime prayers on bended knees,
Roasted chestnuts, gingerbread
Rum-fed fruitcake, wooden sled
Hearthside glances, mistletoe
Romances by candleglow,
Winter wishes, Winter cheer
Usher in the coming year.
Christmas cookies, pumpkin pie
Reindeer flying 'cross the sky,
Sprigs of holly deck the halls
Girls dress up for Winter balls,
Rum punch, egg nog, nutmeg, clove
Choirs singing hymns of love,
Angels perched atop each tree
Elves on shelves for all to see,
Figgy puddings, fatted geese
Red wool stockings trimmed with fleece,
Ghosts of Christmas Future, Past
Christmas presents here at last!
Midnight masses, Santa comes,
Fairies made of sugarplums,
Watch for Rudolph's nosey glow
Crosby on the radio,
Manger scenes, a silent night
Dreams of Christmases of white,
Peace on earth, goodwill to men
Christmas time is here again.
There is no narrative -- just a list of things related to the Holiday season.
The succession of Holiday-related images play off of one another to create a bigger concept (an embodiment of the Holiday season) that one would not get from any of the images taken singularly.
If your poem doesn't follow this montage structure, it is not a montage poem.
Your poem, as I've told you several dozen times, is two scenes with a bridge. The bridge could be envisioned as a montage (a means of transitioning between the two scenes) but it is inconsequential to the action of either. And it doesn't contain any images of apples.
There are thousands of apples in the trees, in the montage.
Untrue, since the trees described are *apple* trees.
Is the title of your poem
I think the title of montage poem is well known by now.
It's a poem in montage form.
Will Dockery wrote:
mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) posted:
Will Dockery wrote:
mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) posted:
Will Dockery wrote:
Apple Montage
Sneaking around
with Cousin Jenny,
smoking menthol
beyond the sheds.
Late summer vacation 1973
in the backwoods of Tennessee.
To the right
behind the barn
were apple trees.
There were several
of those trees
and other trees
behind them
beyond a field
and behind them, other trees.
Later, I stood near
as a crowd
watched Pops and my Uncle
cooking apple butter;
stirring the brown gunk,
boiling in a huge black kettle.
I saw my father
secretly pass
a wine bottle
to my Uncle Clarence.
I went from
breathing cold mist
out back behind the barn,
to breathing
the hot misty steam.
The air smelled of apple fumes
and strong booze.
-Will Dockery
And here I thought you were going to ask if you could use my de-cluttered version for your next Twitter poem.
No, I wrote about the clutter in the thread, not the poem.
The poem is an almost perfect poetry montage as it is..
Here ^^^
This is still obvious ^^^
Define "poetry montage."
See my poem "Apple Montage" for an example of ause of montage in poetry. >>
Here ^^^
Wikipedia is a good start on defining "montage":
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montage_(filmmaking)
Here is Wikipedia's definition (as per your link):
"A montage (/m'n-et'-E'/ mon-TAHZH) is a film editing technique in which a series of short shots are sequenced to condense space, time, and information. Montages enable filmmakers to communicate a large amount of information to an audience over a shorter span of time by juxtaposing different shots, compressing time through editing, or intertwining multiple storylines of a narrative.
"The term has varied meanings depending on the filmmaking tradition. In French, the word montage applied to cinema simply denotes editing. In Soviet montage theory, as originally introduced outside the USSR by Sergei Eisenstein,[1] it was used to create symbolism.[2] Later, the term "montage sequence", used primarily by British and American studios, became the common technique to suggest the passage of time.[3]
"From the 1930s to the 1950s, montage sequences often combined numerous short shots with special optical effects (fades/dissolves, split screens, double and triple exposures), dance, and music."
Your poem does not even suggest any of the above.
The closest your poem comes to having a montage would be a series of lap dissolves showing the trees behind trees behind trees -- which is merely a bridge between the two scenes depicted, and which has *no* apples mentioned in it.
As previously pointed out, this is not an example of montage poetry, does not contain an example of a montage in it, and is 100% apple free.
You really need to read the articles you link before posting them.
This is a response to the post seen at:
http://www.jlaforums.com/viewtopic.php?p=659653060#659653060
My poem definitely used montage, this is an argument that is apparently ongoing.
This argument was settled long ago.
Interesting that I was watching a television program about Orson Welles just last night, where montage was mentioned.
Like it or not, my poem does use montage.
You cannot point out *one* specific example of montage in your poem.
The entire poem is montage.
Do you still not know what a montage is?
I've known about montage since the 1970s.
I know exactly what a montage is, and knew from the start.
A montage poem is *structured* to present a series of separate images/ideas that, when taken together, create a bigger picture/concept.
Here is an example of a montage poem:
HOLIDAY SEASON
Christmas carols, jingle bells
Snowflakes, snowballs, Yuletide spells,
Stringing popcorn, trimming trees
Bedtime prayers on bended knees,
Roasted chestnuts, gingerbread
Rum-fed fruitcake, wooden sled
Hearthside glances, mistletoe
Romances by candleglow,
Winter wishes, Winter cheer
Usher in the coming year.
Christmas cookies, pumpkin pie
Reindeer flying 'cross the sky,
Sprigs of holly deck the halls
Girls dress up for Winter balls,
Rum punch, egg nog, nutmeg, clove
Choirs singing hymns of love,
Angels perched atop each tree
Elves on shelves for all to see,
Figgy puddings, fatted geese
Red wool stockings trimmed with fleece,
Ghosts of Christmas Future, Past
Christmas presents here at last!
Midnight masses, Santa comes,
Fairies made of sugarplums,
Watch for Rudolph's nosey glow
Crosby on the radio,
Manger scenes, a silent night
Dreams of Christmases of white,
Peace on earth, goodwill to men
Christmas time is here again.
There is no narrative -- just a list of things related to the Holiday season.
The succession of Holiday-related images play off of one another to create a bigger concept (an embodiment of the Holiday season) that one would not get from any of the images taken singularly.
If your poem doesn't follow this montage structure, it is not a montage poem.
Your poem, as I've told you several dozen times, is two scenes with a bridge. The bridge could be envisioned as a montage (a means of transitioning between the two scenes) but it is inconsequential to the action of either. And it doesn't contain any images of apples.
There are thousands of apples in the trees, in the montage.
Untrue, since the trees described are *apple* trees.
Is the title of your poem
I think the title of montage poem is well known by now.
It's a poem in montage form.
I've explained to you how "Holiday Season" is a poem in montage form, Donkey.
Your poem is *not* in a similar form.
Will Dockery wrote:
mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) posted:
Will Dockery wrote:
mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) posted:
Will Dockery wrote:
mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) posted:
Will Dockery wrote:
Apple Montage
Sneaking around
with Cousin Jenny,
smoking menthol
beyond the sheds.
Late summer vacation 1973
in the backwoods of Tennessee.
To the right
behind the barn
were apple trees.
There were several
of those trees
and other trees
behind them
beyond a field
and behind them, other trees.
Later, I stood near
as a crowd
watched Pops and my Uncle
cooking apple butter;
stirring the brown gunk,
boiling in a huge black kettle.
I saw my father
secretly pass
a wine bottle
to my Uncle Clarence.
I went from
breathing cold mist
out back behind the barn,
to breathing
the hot misty steam.
The air smelled of apple fumes
and strong booze.
-Will Dockery
And here I thought you were going to ask if you could use my de-cluttered version for your next Twitter poem.
No, I wrote about the clutter in the thread, not the poem.
The poem is an almost perfect poetry montage as it is..
Here ^^^
This is still obvious ^^^
Define "poetry montage."
See my poem "Apple Montage" for an example of ause of montage in poetry.
Here ^^^
Wikipedia is a good start on defining "montage":
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montage_(filmmaking)
Here is Wikipedia's definition (as per your link):
"A montage (/m'n-et'-E'/ mon-TAHZH) is a film editing technique in which a series of short shots are sequenced to condense space, time, and information. Montages enable filmmakers to communicate a large amount of information to an audience over a shorter span of time by juxtaposing different shots, compressing time through editing, or intertwining multiple storylines of a narrative.
"The term has varied meanings depending on the filmmaking tradition. In French, the word montage applied to cinema simply denotes editing. In Soviet montage theory, as originally introduced outside the USSR by Sergei Eisenstein,[1] it was used to create symbolism.[2] Later, the term "montage sequence", used primarily by British and American studios, became the common technique to suggest the passage of time.[3]
"From the 1930s to the 1950s, montage sequences often combined numerous short shots with special optical effects (fades/dissolves, split screens, double and triple exposures), dance, and music."
Your poem does not even suggest any of the above.
The closest your poem comes to having a montage would be a series of lap dissolves showing the trees behind trees behind trees -- which is merely a bridge between the two scenes depicted, and which has *no* apples mentioned in it.
As previously pointed out, this is not an example of montage poetry, does not contain an example of a montage in it, and is 100% apple free.
You really need to read the articles you link before posting them.
This is a response to the post seen at:
http://www.jlaforums.com/viewtopic.php?p=659653060#659653060
My poem definitely used montage, this is an argument that is apparently ongoing.
This argument was settled long ago.
Interesting that I was watching a television program about Orson Welles just last night, where montage was mentioned.
Like it or not, my poem does use montage.
You cannot point out *one* specific example of montage in your poem.
The entire poem is montage.
Do you still not know what a montage is?
I've known about montage since the 1970s.
I know exactly what a montage is, and knew from the start.
A montage poem is *structured* to present a series of separate images/ideas that, when taken together, create a bigger picture/concept.
Here is an example of a montage poem:
HOLIDAY SEASON
Christmas carols, jingle bells
Snowflakes, snowballs, Yuletide spells,
Stringing popcorn, trimming trees
Bedtime prayers on bended knees,
Roasted chestnuts, gingerbread
Rum-fed fruitcake, wooden sled
Hearthside glances, mistletoe
Romances by candleglow,
Winter wishes, Winter cheer
Usher in the coming year.
Christmas cookies, pumpkin pie
Reindeer flying 'cross the sky,
Sprigs of holly deck the halls
Girls dress up for Winter balls,
Rum punch, egg nog, nutmeg, clove
Choirs singing hymns of love,
Angels perched atop each tree
Elves on shelves for all to see,
Figgy puddings, fatted geese
Red wool stockings trimmed with fleece,
Ghosts of Christmas Future, Past
Christmas presents here at last!
Midnight masses, Santa comes,
Fairies made of sugarplums,
Watch for Rudolph's nosey glow
Crosby on the radio,
Manger scenes, a silent night
Dreams of Christmases of white,
Peace on earth, goodwill to men
Christmas time is here again.
There is no narrative -- just a list of things related to the Holiday season.
The succession of Holiday-related images play off of one another to create a bigger concept (an embodiment of the Holiday season) that one would not get from any of the images taken singularly.
If your poem doesn't follow this montage structure, it is not a montage poem.
Your poem, as I've told you several dozen times, is two scenes with a bridge. The bridge could be envisioned as a montage (a means of transitioning between the two scenes) but it is inconsequential to the action of either. And it doesn't contain any images of apples.
There are thousands of apples in the trees, in the montage.
Untrue, since the trees described are *apple* trees.
Is the title of your poem
I think the title of montage poem is well known by now.
It's a poem in montage form.
I've explained to you how "Holiday Season" is a poem in montage form, Donkey.
Your poem is *not* in a similar form.
There's no set form for a montage in poetry.
Will Dockery wrote:
mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) posted:
Will Dockery wrote:
mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) posted:
Will Dockery wrote:
mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) posted:
Will Dockery wrote:
Apple Montage
Sneaking around
with Cousin Jenny,
smoking menthol
beyond the sheds.
Late summer vacation 1973
in the backwoods of Tennessee.
To the right
behind the barn
were apple trees.
There were several
of those trees
and other trees
behind them
beyond a field
and behind them, other trees.
Later, I stood near
as a crowd
watched Pops and my Uncle
cooking apple butter;
stirring the brown gunk,
boiling in a huge black kettle.
I saw my father
secretly pass
a wine bottle
to my Uncle Clarence.
I went from
breathing cold mist
out back behind the barn,
to breathing
the hot misty steam.
The air smelled of apple fumes
and strong booze.
-Will Dockery
And here I thought you were going to ask if you could use my
de-cluttered version for your next Twitter poem.
No, I wrote about the clutter in the thread, not the poem.
The poem is an almost perfect poetry montage as it is..
Here ^^^
This is still obvious ^^^
Define "poetry montage."
See my poem "Apple Montage" for an example of ause of montage in
poetry.
Here ^^^
Wikipedia is a good start on defining "montage":
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montage_(filmmaking)
Here is Wikipedia's definition (as per your link):
"A montage (/m'n-et'-E'/ mon-TAHZH) is a film editing technique in
which a series of short shots are sequenced to condense space, time,
and information. Montages enable filmmakers to communicate a large
amount of information to an audience over a shorter span of time by
juxtaposing different shots, compressing time through editing, or
intertwining multiple storylines of a narrative.
"The term has varied meanings depending on the filmmaking tradition.
In French, the word montage applied to cinema simply denotes
editing. In Soviet montage theory, as originally introduced outside
the USSR by Sergei Eisenstein,[1] it was used to create
symbolism.[2] Later, the term "montage sequence", used primarily by
British and American studios, became the common technique to suggest
the passage of time.[3]
"From the 1930s to the 1950s, montage sequences often combined
numerous short shots with special optical effects (fades/dissolves,
split screens, double and triple exposures), dance, and music."
Your poem does not even suggest any of the above.
The closest your poem comes to having a montage would be a series of
lap dissolves showing the trees behind trees behind trees -- which
is merely a bridge between the two scenes depicted, and which has
*no* apples mentioned in it.
As previously pointed out, this is not an example of montage poetry,
does not contain an example of a montage in it, and is 100% apple
free.
You really need to read the articles you link before posting them.
This is a response to the post seen at:
http://www.jlaforums.com/viewtopic.php?p=659653060#659653060
My poem definitely used montage, this is an argument that is
apparently ongoing.
This argument was settled long ago.
Interesting that I was watching a television program about Orson
Welles just last night, where montage was mentioned.
Like it or not, my poem does use montage.
You cannot point out *one* specific example of montage in your poem.
The entire poem is montage.
Do you still not know what a montage is?
I've known about montage since the 1970s.
I know exactly what a montage is, and knew from the start.
A montage poem is *structured* to present a series of separate
images/ideas that, when taken together, create a bigger
picture/concept.
Here is an example of a montage poem:
HOLIDAY SEASON
Christmas carols, jingle bells
Snowflakes, snowballs, Yuletide spells,
Stringing popcorn, trimming trees
Bedtime prayers on bended knees,
Roasted chestnuts, gingerbread
Rum-fed fruitcake, wooden sled
Hearthside glances, mistletoe
Romances by candleglow,
Winter wishes, Winter cheer
Usher in the coming year.
Christmas cookies, pumpkin pie
Reindeer flying 'cross the sky,
Sprigs of holly deck the halls
Girls dress up for Winter balls,
Rum punch, egg nog, nutmeg, clove
Choirs singing hymns of love,
Angels perched atop each tree
Elves on shelves for all to see,
Figgy puddings, fatted geese
Red wool stockings trimmed with fleece,
Ghosts of Christmas Future, Past
Christmas presents here at last!
Midnight masses, Santa comes,
Fairies made of sugarplums,
Watch for Rudolph's nosey glow
Crosby on the radio,
Manger scenes, a silent night
Dreams of Christmases of white,
Peace on earth, goodwill to men
Christmas time is here again.
There is no narrative -- just a list of things related to the
Holiday season.
The succession of Holiday-related images play off of one another to
create a bigger concept (an embodiment of the Holiday season) that
one would not get from any of the images taken singularly.
If your poem doesn't follow this montage structure, it is not a
montage poem.
Your poem, as I've told you several dozen times, is two scenes with
a bridge. The bridge could be envisioned as a montage (a means of
transitioning between the two scenes) but it is inconsequential to
the action of either. And it doesn't contain any images of apples.
There are thousands of apples in the trees, in the montage.
Untrue, since the trees described are *apple* trees.
Is the title of your poem
I think the title of montage poem is well known by now.
It's a poem in montage form.
I've explained to you how "Holiday Season" is a poem in montage
form, Donkey.
Your poem is *not* in a similar form.
There's no set form for a montage in poetry.
You had said that "It's a poem in montage form." It is not. A
"montage poem" has a definite form.
Now you've corrected yourself (Good Donkey!), to say that there's "no
set form for a montage in poetry."
This is true, since "montage" is primarily used in film.
Montage is based on the juxtaposition of images, whereas poetry is
created with words; so the language of the cinematic medium is rarely transposed to the latter.
But as I've pointed out to you, the only portion of your poem which
could be said to function like a montage, is the bridge (trees behind
trees behind trees). But the bridge is merely a linking device used
to transition from the first scene (Will and Jenny smoking behind the
barn) to the second (Will watching Dad and Uncle Fester cooking up a
batch of apple cider).
It is the least significant part of the poem -- and a bizarre choice
to use for a part of the title.
And, again, there are no apples in it.
Nor are there, necessarily, any apple trees. The trees behind trees
could be apple trees... or they could be pine trees, or maple trees,
or willows. You don't bother to tell us what kind of trees they are,
so they're whatever the reader chooses them to be. (I see them as
great scots pines.)
You used the title because you thought it was "snappy." You've said
so in the past.
The fact that it doesn't apply to the poem is of little consequence to
you, because your poems don't have a literary basis, because you're functionally illiterate and haven't got a clue as to what a poem is.
Will Dockery wrote:
mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) posted:
Will Dockery wrote:
mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) posted:
Will Dockery wrote:
Apple Montage
Sneaking around
with Cousin Jenny,
smoking menthol
beyond the sheds.
Late summer vacation 1973
in the backwoods of Tennessee.
To the right
behind the barn
were apple trees.
There were several
of those trees
and other trees
behind them
beyond a field
and behind them, other trees.
Later, I stood near
as a crowd
watched Pops and my Uncle
cooking apple butter;
stirring the brown gunk,
boiling in a huge black kettle.
I saw my father
secretly pass
a wine bottle
to my Uncle Clarence.
I went from
breathing cold mist
out back behind the barn,
to breathing
the hot misty steam.
The air smelled of apple fumes
and strong booze.
-Will Dockery
And here I thought you were going to ask if you could use my de-cluttered version for your next Twitter poem.
No, I wrote about the clutter in the thread, not the poem.
The poem is an almost perfect poetry montage as it is..
Here ^^^
This is still obvious ^^^
Define "poetry montage."
See my poem "Apple Montage" for an example of ause of montage in poetry.
Here ^^^
Wikipedia is a good start on defining "montage":
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montage_(filmmaking)
Here is Wikipedia's definition (as per your link):
"A montage (/m'n-et'-E'/ mon-TAHZH) is a film editing technique in which a series of short shots are sequenced to condense space, time, and information. Montages enable filmmakers to communicate a large amount of information to an audience over a shorter span of time by juxtaposing different shots, compressing time through editing, or intertwining multiple storylines of a narrative.
"The term has varied meanings depending on the filmmaking tradition. In French, the word montage applied to cinema simply denotes editing. In Soviet montage theory, as originally introduced outside the USSR by Sergei Eisenstein,[1] it was used to create symbolism.[2] Later, the term "montage sequence", used primarily by British and American studios, became the common technique to suggest the passage of time.[3]
"From the 1930s to the 1950s, montage sequences often combined numerous short shots with special optical effects (fades/dissolves, split screens, double and triple exposures), dance, and music."
Your poem does not even suggest any of the above.
The closest your poem comes to having a montage would be a series of lap dissolves showing the trees behind trees behind trees -- which is merely a bridge between the two scenes depicted, and which has *no* apples mentioned in it.
As previously pointed out, this is not an example of montage poetry, does not contain an example of a montage in it, and is 100% apple free.
You really need to read the articles you link before posting them.
This is a response to the post seen at: http://www.jlaforums.com/viewtopic.php?p=659653060#659653060
My poem definitely used montage, this is an argument that is apparently ongoing.
This argument was settled long ago.
Interesting that I was watching a television program about Orson Welles just last night, where montage was mentioned.
Like it or not, my poem does use montage.
You cannot point out *one* specific example of montage in your poem.
The entire poem is montage.
Do you still not know what a montage is?
I've known about montage since the 1970s.
I know exactly what a montage is, and knew from the start.
A montage poem is *structured* to present a series of separate images/ideas that, when taken together, create a bigger picture/concept.
Here is an example of a montage poem:
HOLIDAY SEASON
Christmas carols, jingle bells
Snowflakes, snowballs, Yuletide spells,
Stringing popcorn, trimming trees
Bedtime prayers on bended knees,
Roasted chestnuts, gingerbread
Rum-fed fruitcake, wooden sled
Hearthside glances, mistletoe
Romances by candleglow,
Winter wishes, Winter cheer
Usher in the coming year.
Christmas cookies, pumpkin pie
Reindeer flying 'cross the sky,
Sprigs of holly deck the halls
Girls dress up for Winter balls,
Rum punch, egg nog, nutmeg, clove
Choirs singing hymns of love,
Angels perched atop each tree
Elves on shelves for all to see,
Figgy puddings, fatted geese
Red wool stockings trimmed with fleece,
Ghosts of Christmas Future, Past
Christmas presents here at last!
Midnight masses, Santa comes,
Fairies made of sugarplums,
Watch for Rudolph's nosey glow
Crosby on the radio,
Manger scenes, a silent night
Dreams of Christmases of white,
Peace on earth, goodwill to men
Christmas time is here again.
There is no narrative -- just a list of things related to the Holiday season.
The succession of Holiday-related images play off of one another to create a bigger concept (an embodiment of the Holiday season) that one would not get from any of the images taken singularly.
If your poem doesn't follow this montage structure, it is not a montage poem.
Your poem, as I've told you several dozen times, is two scenes with a bridge. The bridge could be envisioned as a montage (a means of transitioning between the two scenes) but it is inconsequential to the action of either. And it doesn't contain any images of apples.
There are thousands of apples in the trees, in the montage.
Untrue, since the trees described are *apple* trees.
Is the title of your poem
I think the title of montage poem is well known by now.
It's a poem in montage form.
I've explained to you how "Holiday Season" is a poem in montage form, Donkey.
Your poem is *not* in a similar form.
Will Dockery wrote:
Apple Montage
Sneaking around
with Cousin Jenny,
smoking menthol
beyond the sheds.
Late summer vacation 1973
in the backwoods of Tennessee.
To the right
behind the barn
were apple trees.
There were several
of those trees
and other trees
behind them
beyond a field
and behind them, other trees.
Later, I stood near
as a crowd
watched Pops and my Uncle
cooking apple butter;
stirring the brown gunk,
boiling in a huge black kettle.
I saw my father
secretly pass
a wine bottle
to my Uncle Clarence.
I went from
breathing cold mist
out back behind the barn,
to breathing
the hot misty steam.
The air smelled of apple fumes
and strong booze.
-Will Dockery
--------------------------------------------
Here is the "Apple Montage" poem, for scrutiny and comment.
:)
Will Dockery wrote:
mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) posted:
Will Dockery wrote:
Apple Montage
Sneaking around
with Cousin Jenny,
smoking menthol
beyond the sheds.
Late summer vacation 1973
in the backwoods of Tennessee.
To the right
behind the barn
were apple trees.
There were several
of those trees
and other trees
behind them
beyond a field
and behind them, other trees.
Later, I stood near
as a crowd
watched Pops and my Uncle
cooking apple butter;
stirring the brown gunk,
boiling in a huge black kettle.
I saw my father
secretly pass
a wine bottle
to my Uncle Clarence.
I went from
breathing cold mist
out back behind the barn,
to breathing
the hot misty steam.
The air smelled of apple fumes
and strong booze.
-Will Dockery
And here I thought you were going to ask if you could use my de-cluttered version for your next Twitter poem.
No, I wrote about the clutter in the thread, not the poem.
The poem is an almost perfect poetry montage as it is..
Here ^^^
This is still obvious ^^^
Define "poetry montage."
See my poem "Apple Montage" for an example of ause of montage in poetry.
Here ^^^
Wikipedia is a good start on defining "montage":
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montage_(filmmaking)
Here is Wikipedia's definition (as per your link):
"A montage (/m'n-et'-E'/ mon-TAHZH) is a film editing technique in which a series of short shots are sequenced to condense space, time, and information. Montages enable filmmakers to communicate a large amount of information to an audience over a shorter span of time by juxtaposing different shots, compressing time through editing, or intertwining multiple storylines of a narrative.
"The term has varied meanings depending on the filmmaking tradition. In French, the word montage applied to cinema simply denotes editing. In Soviet montage theory, as originally introduced outside the USSR by Sergei Eisenstein,[1] it was used to create symbolism.[2] Later, the term "montage sequence", used primarily by British and American studios, became the common technique to suggest the passage of time.[3]
"From the 1930s to the 1950s, montage sequences often combined numerous short shots with special optical effects (fades/dissolves, split screens, double and triple exposures), dance, and music."
The closest your poem comes to having a montage would be a series of lap dissolves showing the trees behind trees behind trees -- which is merely a bridge between the two scenes depicted, and which has *no* apples mentioned in it.
As previously pointed out, my poem uses montage effects in poetry form.
My poem definitely used montage, this is an argument that is apparently ongoing.
This argument was settled long ago.
Interesting that I was watching a television program about Orson Welles just last night, where montage was mentioned.
Like it or not, my poem does use montage.
You cannot point out *one* specific example of montage in your poem.
The entire poem is montage, using montage effects.
I've known about montage since the 1970s.
I know exactly what a montage is, and knew from the start.
If your poem doesn't follow this montage structure
Your poem, as I've told you several dozen times, is two scenes with a bridge. The bridge could be envisioned as a montage (a means of transitioning between the two scenes) but it is inconsequential to the action of either. And it doesn't contain any images of apples.
DONKEY:There are thousands of apples in the trees, in the montage.
The trees described are *apple* trees.
MMP: The trees are not described at all. (Look up the definition of "describe.")
The trees are not even *identified* as apple trees in your poem.
Just because you see them as apple trees doesn't mean that they are. You need to *identify* them as apple trees in your poem.
This is a major problem with your writing in general. You consistently fail to identify/describe people, places, and things in your poem. You refer to characters by nicknames in one line, then have them disappear from the poem without any explanation as to who they are. You introduce characters with pronouns without first telling the readers who "he" or "she" is. You ramble off street addresses in Columbus as if readers are expected to be familiar with them.
And here, you expect readers to know that by "trees" you mean "apple trees" -- and that the apple trees are bearing fruit.
MMP: Is the title of your poem
I think the title of montage poem is well known by now.
DONKEY: It's a poem in montage form.
MMP: No, Donkey, it isn't. Its *form* is that of two scenes with a transitional bridge.
I've explained to you how "Holiday Season" is a poem in montage form
There's no set form for a montage in poetry.
You had said that "It's a poem in montage form."
Now you've corrected yourself, to say that there's "no set form for a montage in poetry."
This is true, since "montage" is primarily used in film.
Montage is based on the juxtaposition of images, whereas poetry is created with words; so the language of the cinematic medium is rarely transposed to the latter.
But as I've pointed out to you, the only portion of your poem which could be said to function like a montage, is the bridge (trees behind trees behind trees). But the bridge is merely a linking device used to transition from the first scene (Will and Jenny smoking behind the barn) to the second (Will watching Dad and Uncle Fester cooking up a batch of apple cider).
The trees behind trees could be apple trees
You used the title because you thought it was "snappy."
it doesn't apply to the poem
Will Dockery wrote:
mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) posted:
Will Dockery wrote:
mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) posted:
Will Dockery wrote:
Apple Montage
Sneaking around
with Cousin Jenny,
smoking menthol
beyond the sheds.
Late summer vacation 1973
in the backwoods of Tennessee.
To the right
behind the barn
were apple trees.
There were several
of those trees
and other trees
behind them
beyond a field
and behind them, other trees.
Later, I stood near
as a crowd
watched Pops and my Uncle
cooking apple butter;
stirring the brown gunk,
boiling in a huge black kettle.
I saw my father
secretly pass
a wine bottle
to my Uncle Clarence.
I went from
breathing cold mist
out back behind the barn,
to breathing
the hot misty steam.
The air smelled of apple fumes
and strong booze.
-Will Dockery
And here I thought you were going to ask if you could use my de-cluttered version for your next Twitter poem.
No, I wrote about the clutter in the thread, not the poem.
The poem is an almost perfect poetry montage as it is..
Here ^^^
This is still obvious ^^^
Define "poetry montage."
See my poem "Apple Montage" for an example of ause of montage in poetry.
Here ^^^
Wikipedia is a good start on defining "montage":
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montage_(filmmaking)
Here is Wikipedia's definition (as per your link):
"A montage (/m'n-et'-E'/ mon-TAHZH) is a film editing technique in which a series of short shots are sequenced to condense space, time, and information. Montages enable filmmakers to communicate a large amount of information to an audience over a shorter span of time by juxtaposing different shots, compressing time through editing, or intertwining multiple storylines of a narrative.
"The term has varied meanings depending on the filmmaking tradition. In French, the word montage applied to cinema simply denotes editing. In Soviet montage theory, as originally introduced outside the USSR by Sergei Eisenstein,[1] it was used to create symbolism.[2] Later, the term "montage sequence", used primarily by British and American studios, became the common technique to suggest the passage of time.[3]
"From the 1930s to the 1950s, montage sequences often combined numerous short shots with special optical effects (fades/dissolves, split screens, double and triple exposures), dance, and music."
The closest your poem comes to having a montage would be a series of lap dissolves showing the trees behind trees behind trees -- which is merely a bridge between the two scenes depicted, and which has *no* apples mentioned in it.
As previously pointed out, my poem uses montage effects in poetry form.
My poem definitely used montage, this is an argument that is apparently ongoing.
This argument was settled long ago.
Interesting that I was watching a television program about Orson Welles just last night, where montage was mentioned.
Like it or not, my poem does use montage.
You cannot point out *one* specific example of montage in your poem.
The entire poem is montage, using montage effects.
I've known about montage since the 1970s.
I know exactly what a montage is, and knew from the start.
If your poem doesn't follow this montage structure
Dockery: Again, there's no set structure for the use of montage effects in poetry.
MMP: Again, a "montage poem" and the use of "montage effects" are two very different things.
No really, there's no ser "montage form" in poetry.
Your poem, as I've told you several dozen times, is two scenes with a bridge. The bridge could be envisioned as a montage (a means of transitioning between the two scenes) but it is inconsequential to the action of either. And it doesn't contain any images of apples.
There are thousands of apples in the trees, in the montage.
The trees described are *apple* trees.
you expect readers to know that by "trees" you mean "apple trees" -- and that the apple trees are bearing fruit.
DONKEY: In context that's obvious.
MMP: No, Donkey, it isn't.
"To the right
behind the barn
were apple trees.
There were several
of those trees
and other trees
behind them
beyond a field
and behind them, other trees."
According to the above excerpt, there were "several" apple trees behind the barn. Behind the apple trees there were unidentified trees, a field, then more unidentified trees.
There is no reason for the reader to suspect that any of the trees (except for the few that were behind the barn) were apple trees.
Nor is there any reason for the reader to believe that the apple trees behind the barn were bearing fruit.
I grew up in a rural, farming community. Behind any given apple orchard was a forest. The local forests did not contain apple trees, but a mix of pine, maple, oak, holly and spruce.
And if there was another field behind the apple orchard, it either contained other fruit-bearing trees (cherry, pear), or plants (corn, lettuce, tomato, pumpkin, etc.).
The idea of an apple orchard with apples trees behind it, followed by a second apple orchard, followed by more apple trees strikes me as... bizarre.
Is the title of your poem
DONKEY: The title of my poem is "Apple Montage."
I think the title of montage poem is well known by now.
MMP: I asked you why you post-edited my question, Donkey. Are you afraid to address the fact that an apple and an apple tree are two very different things?
DONKEY: It's a poem in montage form.
MMP: You had said that "It's a poem in montage form."
DONKEY: I used montage effects in poetry form.
MMP: First, you didn't. Second, even if you had, that would not make it a "montage poem."
MMP: You keep stamping your foot
DONKEY: Look who's talking.
Will Dockery wrote:
mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) posted:
Will Dockery wrote:
mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) posted:
Will Dockery wrote:
mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) posted:
Will Dockery wrote:
Apple Montage
Sneaking around
with Cousin Jenny,
smoking menthol
beyond the sheds.
Late summer vacation 1973
in the backwoods of Tennessee.
To the right
behind the barn
were apple trees.
There were several
of those trees
and other trees
behind them
beyond a field
and behind them, other trees.
Later, I stood near
as a crowd
watched Pops and my Uncle
cooking apple butter;
stirring the brown gunk,
boiling in a huge black kettle.
I saw my father
secretly pass
a wine bottle
to my Uncle Clarence.
I went from
breathing cold mist
out back behind the barn,
to breathing
the hot misty steam.
The air smelled of apple fumes
and strong booze.
-Will Dockery
And here I thought you were going to ask if you could use my de-cluttered version for your next Twitter poem.
No, I wrote about the clutter in the thread, not the poem.
The poem is an almost perfect poetry montage as it is..
Here ^^^
This is still obvious ^^^
Define "poetry montage."
See my poem "Apple Montage" for an example of ause of montage in poetry.
Here ^^^
Wikipedia is a good start on defining "montage":
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montage_(filmmaking)
Here is Wikipedia's definition (as per your link):
"A montage (/m'n-et'-E'/ mon-TAHZH) is a film editing technique in which a series of short shots are sequenced to condense space, time, and information. Montages enable filmmakers to communicate a large amount of information to an audience over a shorter span of time by juxtaposing different shots, compressing time through editing, or intertwining multiple storylines of a narrative.
"The term has varied meanings depending on the filmmaking tradition. In French, the word montage applied to cinema simply denotes editing. In Soviet montage theory, as originally introduced outside the USSR by Sergei Eisenstein,[1] it was used to create symbolism.[2] Later, the term "montage sequence", used primarily by British and American studios, became the common technique to suggest the passage of time.[3]
"From the 1930s to the 1950s, montage sequences often combined numerous short shots with special optical effects (fades/dissolves, split screens, double and triple exposures), dance, and music."
The closest your poem comes to having a montage would be a series of lap dissolves showing the trees behind trees behind trees -- which is merely a bridge between the two scenes depicted, and which has *no* apples mentioned in it.
As previously pointed out, my poem uses montage effects in poetry form.
My poem definitely used montage, this is an argument that is apparently ongoing.
This argument was settled long ago.
Interesting that I was watching a television program about Orson Welles just last night, where montage was mentioned.
Like it or not, my poem does use montage.
You cannot point out *one* specific example of montage in your poem.
The entire poem is montage, using montage effects.
I've known about montage since the 1970s.
I know exactly what a montage is, and knew from the start.
If your poem doesn't follow this montage structure
Dockery: Again, there's no set structure for the use of montage effects in poetry.
MMP: Again, a "montage poem" and the use of "montage effects" are two very different things.
Not really, there's no set "montage form" in poetry.
There are thousands of apples in the trees, in the montage.
The trees described are *apple* trees.
you expect readers to know that by "trees" you mean "apple trees" -- and that the apple trees are bearing fruit.
Dockery: In context that's obvious.
MMP: No, Donkey, it isn't.
I think it is.
"To the right
behind the barn
were apple trees.
There were several
of those trees
and other trees
behind them
beyond a field
and behind them, other trees."
I grew up in a rural, farming community. Behind any given apple orchard was a forest. The local forests did not contain apple trees, but a mix of pine, maple, oak, holly and spruce.
And if there was another field behind the apple orchard, it either contained other fruit-bearing trees (cherry, pear), or plants (corn, lettuce, tomato, pumpkin, etc.).
Okay, I was reporting what I personally saw at age 8-10.
Apparently my grandfather ran his orchard differently or another explanation.
At this rate I might not have the answers, as the older folks are gone now.
The idea of an apple orchard with apples trees behind it, followed by a second apple orchard, followed by more apple trees strikes me as... bizarre.
Sure, and a lot of the stuff that you and NancyGene write about people is bizarre as well, but joy find it to be acceptable.
Is the title of your poem
Dockery: The title of my poem is "Apple Montage."
I think the title of montage poem is well known by now.
MMP: I asked you why you post-edited my question, Donkey. Are you afraid to address the fact that an apple and an apple tree are two very different things?
Dockery: It's a poem in montage form.
MMP: You had said that "It's a poem in montage form."
That's correct.
Dockery: I used montage effects in poetry form.
"montage poem."
My poem used montage effects, whether you agree or not.
MMP: You keep stamping your foot
Exactly the same could be said about you.
Dockery: Look who's talking.
MMP: I've repeatedly explained to you what a "montage" is.
I've known for years, decades, what a montage is.
I've also explained what a "montage poem" is
I already know what a montage poem is, I wrote one.
Will Dockery wrote:
mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) posted:
Will Dockery wrote:
mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) posted:
Will Dockery wrote:
Apple Montage
Sneaking around
with Cousin Jenny,
smoking menthol
beyond the sheds.
Late summer vacation 1973
in the backwoods of Tennessee.
To the right
behind the barn
were apple trees.
There were several
of those trees
and other trees
behind them
beyond a field
and behind them, other trees.
Later, I stood near
as a crowd
watched Pops and my Uncle
cooking apple butter;
stirring the brown gunk,
boiling in a huge black kettle.
I saw my father
secretly pass
a wine bottle
to my Uncle Clarence.
I went from
breathing cold mist
out back behind the barn,
to breathing
the hot misty steam.
The air smelled of apple fumes
and strong booze.
-Will Dockery
And here I thought you were going to ask if you could use my de-cluttered version for your next Twitter poem.
No, I wrote about the clutter in the thread, not the poem.
The poem is an almost perfect poetry montage as it is..
Here ^^^
This is still obvious ^^^
Define "poetry montage."
See my poem "Apple Montage" for an example of ause of montage in poetry. >>
Here ^^^
Wikipedia is a good start on defining "montage":
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montage_(filmmaking)
Here is Wikipedia's definition (as per your link):
"A montage (/m'n-et'-E'/ mon-TAHZH) is a film editing technique in which a series of short shots are sequenced to condense space, time, and information. Montages enable filmmakers to communicate a large amount of information to an audience over a shorter span of time by juxtaposing different shots, compressing time through editing, or intertwining multiple storylines of a narrative.
"The term has varied meanings depending on the filmmaking tradition. In French, the word montage applied to cinema simply denotes editing. In Soviet montage theory, as originally introduced outside the USSR by Sergei Eisenstein,[1] it was used to create symbolism.[2] Later, the term "montage sequence", used primarily by British and American studios, became the common technique to suggest the passage of time.[3]
"From the 1930s to the 1950s, montage sequences often combined numerous short shots with special optical effects (fades/dissolves, split screens, double and triple exposures), dance, and music."
The closest your poem comes to having a montage would be a series of lap dissolves showing the trees behind trees behind trees -- which is merely a bridge between the two scenes depicted, and which has *no* apples mentioned in it.
As previously pointed out, my poem uses montage effects in poetry form.
My poem definitely used montage, this is an argument that is apparently ongoing.
This argument was settled long ago.
Interesting that I was watching a television program about Orson Welles just last night, where montage was mentioned.
Like it or not, my poem does use montage.
You cannot point out *one* specific example of montage in your poem.
The entire poem is montage, using montage effects.
I've known about montage since the 1970s.
I know exactly what a montage is, and knew from the start.
If your poem doesn't follow this montage structure
Dockery: Again, there's no set structure for the use of montage effects in poetry.
MMP: Again, a "montage poem" and the use of "montage effects" are two very different things.
Not really, there's no set "montage form" in poetry.
There are thousands of apples in the trees, in the montage.
The trees described are *apple* trees.
you expect readers to know that by "trees" you mean "apple trees" -- and that the apple trees are bearing fruit.
Dockery: In context that's obvious.
MMP: No, Donkey, it isn't.
I think it is.
"To the right
behind the barn
were apple trees.
There were several
of those trees
and other trees
behind them
beyond a field
and behind them, other trees."
I grew up in a rural, farming community. Behind any given apple orchard was a forest. The local forests did not contain apple trees, but a mix of pine, maple, oak, holly and spruce.
And if there was another field behind the apple orchard, it either contained other fruit-bearing trees (cherry, pear), or plants (corn, lettuce, tomato, pumpkin, etc.).
Okay, I was reporting what I personally saw at age 8-10.
Apparently my grandfather ran his orchard differently or another explanation.
At this rate I might not have the answers, as the older folks are gone now.
The idea of an apple orchard with apples trees behind it, followed by a second apple orchard, followed by more apple trees strikes me as... bizarre.
Sure, and a lot of the stuff that you and NancyGene write about people is bizarre as well, but joy find it to be acceptable.
Is the title of your poem
Dockery: The title of my poem is "Apple Montage."
I think the title of montage poem is well known by now.
MMP: I asked you why you post-edited my question, Donkey. Are you afraid to address the fact that an apple and an apple tree are two very different things?
Dockery: It's a poem in montage form.
MMP: You had said that "It's a poem in montage form."
That's correct.
Dockery: I used montage effects in poetry form.
"montage poem."
My poem used montage effects, whether you agree or not.
MMP: You keep stamping your foot
Exactly the same could be said about you.
Dockery: Look who's talking.
MMP: I've repeatedly explained to you what a "montage" is.
I've known for years, decades, what a montage is.
I've also explained what a "montage poem" is
I already know what a montage poem is, I wrote one.
you haven't
Will Dockery wrote:
mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) posted:
Will Dockery wrote:
mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) posted:
Will Dockery wrote:
mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) posted:
Will Dockery wrote:
Apple Montage
Sneaking around
with Cousin Jenny,
smoking menthol
beyond the sheds.
Late summer vacation 1973
in the backwoods of Tennessee.
To the right
behind the barn
were apple trees.
There were several
of those trees
and other trees
behind them
beyond a field
and behind them, other trees.
Later, I stood near
as a crowd
watched Pops and my Uncle
cooking apple butter;
stirring the brown gunk,
boiling in a huge black kettle.
I saw my father
secretly pass
a wine bottle
to my Uncle Clarence.
I went from
breathing cold mist
out back behind the barn,
to breathing
the hot misty steam.
The air smelled of apple fumes
and strong booze.
-Will Dockery
And here I thought you were going to ask if you could use my de-cluttered version for your next Twitter poem.
No, I wrote about the clutter in the thread, not the poem.
The poem is an almost perfect poetry montage as it is..
Here ^^^
This is still obvious ^^^
Define "poetry montage."
See my poem "Apple Montage" for an example of ause of montage in poetry.
Here ^^^
Wikipedia is a good start on defining "montage":
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montage_(filmmaking)
Here is Wikipedia's definition (as per your link):
"A montage (/m'n-et'-E'/ mon-TAHZH) is a film editing technique in which a series of short shots are sequenced to condense space, time, and information. Montages enable filmmakers to communicate a large amount of information to an audience over a shorter span of time by juxtaposing different shots, compressing time through editing, or intertwining multiple storylines of a narrative.
"The term has varied meanings depending on the filmmaking tradition. In French, the word montage applied to cinema simply denotes editing. In Soviet montage theory, as originally introduced outside the USSR by Sergei Eisenstein,[1] it was used to create symbolism.[2] Later, the term "montage sequence", used primarily by British and American studios, became the common technique to suggest the passage of time.[3]
"From the 1930s to the 1950s, montage sequences often combined numerous short shots with special optical effects (fades/dissolves, split screens, double and triple exposures), dance, and music."
The closest your poem comes to having a montage would be a series of lap dissolves showing the trees behind trees behind trees -- which is merely a bridge between the two scenes depicted, and which has *no* apples mentioned in it.
As previously pointed out, my poem uses montage effects in poetry form.
My poem definitely used montage, this is an argument that is apparently ongoing.
This argument was settled long ago.
Interesting that I was watching a television program about Orson Welles just last night, where montage was mentioned.
Like it or not, my poem does use montage.
You cannot point out *one* specific example of montage in your poem.
The entire poem is montage, using montage effects.
I've known about montage since the 1970s.
I know exactly what a montage is, and knew from the start.
If your poem doesn't follow this montage structure
Dockery: Again, there's no set structure for the use of montage effects in poetry.
MMP: Again, a "montage poem" and the use of "montage effects" are two very different things.
Not really, there's no set "montage form" in poetry.
There are thousands of apples in the trees, in the montage.
The trees described are *apple* trees.
you expect readers to know that by "trees" you mean "apple trees" -- and that the apple trees are bearing fruit.
Dockery: In context that's obvious.
MMP: No, Donkey, it isn't.
I think it is.
"To the right
behind the barn
were apple trees.
There were several
of those trees
and other trees
behind them
beyond a field
and behind them, other trees."
I grew up in a rural, farming community. Behind any given apple orchard was a forest. The local forests did not contain apple trees, but a mix of pine, maple, oak, holly and spruce.
And if there was another field behind the apple orchard, it either contained other fruit-bearing trees (cherry, pear), or plants (corn, lettuce, tomato, pumpkin, etc.).
Okay, I was reporting what I personally saw at age 8-10.
Apparently my grandfather ran his orchard differently or another explanation.
At this rate I might not have the answers, as the older folks are gone now. >>
The idea of an apple orchard with apples trees behind it, followed by a second apple orchard, followed by more apple trees strikes me as... bizarre.
Sure, and a lot of the stuff that you and NancyGene write about people is bizarre as well, but joy find it to be acceptable.
Is the title of your poem
Dockery: The title of my poem is "Apple Montage."
I think the title of montage poem is well known by now.
MMP: I asked you why you post-edited my question, Donkey. Are you afraid to address the fact that an apple and an apple tree are two very different things?
Dockery: It's a poem in montage form.
MMP: You had said that "It's a poem in montage form."
That's correct.
Dockery: I used montage effects in poetry form.
"montage poem."
My poem used montage effects, whether you agree or not.
MMP: You keep stamping your foot
Exactly the same could be said about you.
Dockery: Look who's talking.
MMP: I've repeatedly explained to you what a "montage" is.
I've known for years, decades, what a montage is.
I've also explained what a "montage poem" is
I already know what a montage poem is, I wrote one.
you haven't
Yes, it was a poem using montage effects, but of course I don't expect you to admit it.
Will Dockery wrote:
mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) posted:
Will Dockery wrote:
mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) posted:
Will Dockery wrote:
Apple Montage
Sneaking around
with Cousin Jenny,
smoking menthol
beyond the sheds.
Late summer vacation 1973
in the backwoods of Tennessee.
To the right
behind the barn
were apple trees.
There were several
of those trees
and other trees
behind them
beyond a field
and behind them, other trees.
Later, I stood near
as a crowd
watched Pops and my Uncle
cooking apple butter;
stirring the brown gunk,
boiling in a huge black kettle.
I saw my father
secretly pass
a wine bottle
to my Uncle Clarence.
I went from
breathing cold mist
out back behind the barn,
to breathing
the hot misty steam.
The air smelled of apple fumes
and strong booze.
-Will Dockery
And here I thought you were going to ask if you could use my de-cluttered version for your next Twitter poem.
No, I wrote about the clutter in the thread, not the poem.
The poem is an almost perfect poetry montage as it is..
Here ^^^
This is still obvious ^^^
Define "poetry montage."
See my poem "Apple Montage" for an example of ause of montage in poetry. >>
Here ^^^
Wikipedia is a good start on defining "montage":
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montage_(filmmaking)
Here is Wikipedia's definition (as per your link):
"A montage (/m'n-et'-E'/ mon-TAHZH) is a film editing technique in which a series of short shots are sequenced to condense space, time, and information. Montages enable filmmakers to communicate a large amount of information to an audience over a shorter span of time by juxtaposing different shots, compressing time through editing, or intertwining multiple storylines of a narrative.
"The term has varied meanings depending on the filmmaking tradition. In French, the word montage applied to cinema simply denotes editing. In Soviet montage theory, as originally introduced outside the USSR by Sergei Eisenstein,[1] it was used to create symbolism.[2] Later, the term "montage sequence", used primarily by British and American studios, became the common technique to suggest the passage of time.[3]
"From the 1930s to the 1950s, montage sequences often combined numerous short shots with special optical effects (fades/dissolves, split screens, double and triple exposures), dance, and music."
The closest your poem comes to having a montage would be a series of lap dissolves showing the trees behind trees behind trees -- which is merely a bridge between the two scenes depicted, and which has *no* apples mentioned in it.
As previously pointed out, my poem uses montage effects in poetry form.
My poem definitely used montage, this is an argument that is apparently ongoing.
This argument was settled long ago.
Interesting that I was watching a television program about Orson Welles just last night, where montage was mentioned.
Like it or not, my poem does use montage.
The entire poem is montage, using montage effects.
I've known about montage since the 1970s.
I know exactly what a montage is, and knew from the start.
If your poem doesn't follow this montage structure
Dockery: Again, there's no set structure for the use of montage effects in poetry.
MMP: Again, a "montage poem" and the use of "montage effects" are two very different things.
Not really, there's no set "montage form" in poetry.
There are thousands of apples in the trees, in the montage.
The trees described are *apple* trees.
Dockery: In context that's obvious.
"To the right
behind the barn
were apple trees.
There were several
of those trees
and other trees
behind them
beyond a field
and behind them, other trees."
I grew up in a rural, farming community. Behind any given apple orchard was a forest. The local forests did not contain apple trees, but a mix of pine, maple, oak, holly and spruce.
And if there was another field behind the apple orchard, it either contained other fruit-bearing trees (cherry, pear), or plants (corn, lettuce, tomato, pumpkin, etc.).
Okay, I was reporting what I personally saw at age 8-10.
Apparently my grandfather ran his orchard differently or another explanation.
At this rate I might not have the answers, as the older folks are gone now.
The idea of an apple orchard with apples trees behind it, followed by a second apple orchard, followed by more apple trees strikes me as... bizarre.
Sure, and a lot of the stuff that you and NancyGene write about people is bizarre as well, but joy find it to be acceptable.
Is the title of your poem
Dockery: The title of my poem is "Apple Montage."
I think the title of montage poem is well known by now.
MMP: I asked you why you post-edited my question, Donkey. Are you afraid to address the fact that an apple and an apple tree are two very different things?
Dockery: It's a poem in montage form.
MMP: You had said that "It's a poem in montage form."
That's correct.
Dockery: I used montage effects in poetry form.
"montage poem."
My poem used montage effects, whether you agree or not.
MMP: You keep stamping your foot
Exactly the same could be said about you.
Dockery: Look who's talking.
MMP: I've repeatedly explained to you what a "montage" is.
I've known for years, decades, what a montage is.
I've also explained what a "montage poem" is
I already know what a montage poem is, I wrote one.
you haven't
Yes, it was a poem using montage effects, but of course I don't expect you to admit it.
How's this for a compromise?
a poem using montage effects
Will Dockery wrote:
Apple Montage
Sneaking around
with Cousin Jenny,
smoking menthol
beyond the sheds.
Late summer vacation 1973
in the backwoods of Tennessee.
To the right
behind the barn
were apple trees.
There were several
of those trees
and other trees
behind them
beyond a field
and behind them, other trees.
Later, I stood near
as a crowd
watched Pops and my Uncle
cooking apple butter;
stirring the brown gunk,
boiling in a huge black kettle.
I saw my father
secretly pass
a wine bottle
to my Uncle Clarence.
I went from
breathing cold mist
out back behind the barn,
to breathing
the hot misty steam.
The air smelled of apple fumes
and strong booze.
-Will Dockery
--------------------------------------------
Here is the "Apple Montage" poem, for scrutiny and comment.
:)
Will Dockery wrote:
mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) posted:
Will Dockery wrote:
mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) posted:
Will Dockery wrote:
mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) posted:
Will Dockery wrote:
Apple Montage
Sneaking around
with Cousin Jenny,
smoking menthol
beyond the sheds.
Late summer vacation 1973
in the backwoods of Tennessee.
To the right
behind the barn
were apple trees.
There were several
of those trees
and other trees
behind them
beyond a field
and behind them, other trees.
Later, I stood near
as a crowd
watched Pops and my Uncle
cooking apple butter;
stirring the brown gunk,
boiling in a huge black kettle.
I saw my father
secretly pass
a wine bottle
to my Uncle Clarence.
I went from
breathing cold mist
out back behind the barn,
to breathing
the hot misty steam.
The air smelled of apple fumes
and strong booze.
-Will Dockery
And here I thought you were going to ask if you could use my de-cluttered version for your next Twitter poem.
No, I wrote about the clutter in the thread, not the poem.
The poem is an almost perfect poetry montage as it is..
Here ^^^
This is still obvious ^^^
Define "poetry montage."
See my poem "Apple Montage" for an example of ause of montage in poetry.
Here ^^^
Wikipedia is a good start on defining "montage":
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montage_(filmmaking)
Here is Wikipedia's definition (as per your link):
"A montage (/m'n-et'-E'/ mon-TAHZH) is a film editing technique in which a series of short shots are sequenced to condense space, time, and information. Montages enable filmmakers to communicate a large amount of information to an audience over a shorter span of time by juxtaposing different shots, compressing time through editing, or intertwining multiple storylines of a narrative.
"The term has varied meanings depending on the filmmaking tradition. In French, the word montage applied to cinema simply denotes editing. In Soviet montage theory, as originally introduced outside the USSR by Sergei Eisenstein,[1] it was used to create symbolism.[2] Later, the term "montage sequence", used primarily by British and American studios, became the common technique to suggest the passage of time.[3]
"From the 1930s to the 1950s, montage sequences often combined numerous short shots with special optical effects (fades/dissolves, split screens, double and triple exposures), dance, and music."
The closest your poem comes to having a montage would be a series of lap dissolves showing the trees behind trees behind trees -- which is merely a bridge between the two scenes depicted, and which has *no* apples mentioned in it.
As previously pointed out, my poem uses montage effects in poetry form.
My poem definitely used montage, this is an argument that is apparently ongoing.
This argument was settled long ago.
Interesting that I was watching a television program about Orson Welles just last night, where montage was mentioned.
Like it or not, my poem does use montage.
The entire poem is montage, using montage effects.
I've known about montage since the 1970s.
I know exactly what a montage is, and knew from the start.
If your poem doesn't follow this montage structure
Dockery: Again, there's no set structure for the use of montage effects in poetry.
MMP: Again, a "montage poem" and the use of "montage effects" are two very different things.
Not really, there's no set "montage form" in poetry.
There are thousands of apples in the trees, in the montage.
The trees described are *apple* trees.
Dockery: In context that's obvious.
"To the right
behind the barn
were apple trees.
There were several
of those trees
and other trees
behind them
beyond a field
and behind them, other trees."
I grew up in a rural, farming community. Behind any given apple orchard was a forest. The local forests did not contain apple trees, but a mix of pine, maple, oak, holly and spruce.
And if there was another field behind the apple orchard, it either contained other fruit-bearing trees (cherry, pear), or plants (corn, lettuce, tomato, pumpkin, etc.).
Okay, I was reporting what I personally saw at age 8-10.
Apparently my grandfather ran his orchard differently or another explanation.
At this rate I might not have the answers, as the older folks are gone now. >>
The idea of an apple orchard with apples trees behind it, followed by a second apple orchard, followed by more apple trees strikes me as... bizarre.
Sure, and a lot of the stuff that you and NancyGene write about people is bizarre as well, but joy find it to be acceptable.
Is the title of your poem
Dockery: The title of my poem is "Apple Montage."
I think the title of montage poem is well known by now.
MMP: I asked you why you post-edited my question, Donkey. Are you afraid to address the fact that an apple and an apple tree are two very different things?
Dockery: It's a poem in montage form.
MMP: You had said that "It's a poem in montage form."
That's correct.
Dockery: I used montage effects in poetry form.
"montage poem."
My poem used montage effects, whether you agree or not.
MMP: You keep stamping your foot
Exactly the same could be said about you.
Dockery: Look who's talking.
MMP: I've repeatedly explained to you what a "montage" is.
I've known for years, decades, what a montage is.
I've also explained what a "montage poem" is
I already know what a montage poem is, I wrote one.
you haven't
Yes, it was a poem using montage effects, but of course I don't expect you to admit it.
How's this for a compromise?
It's as much a poem using montage effects as it is a poem, or as you are a poet.
Will Dockery wrote:
Apple Montage
Sneaking around
with Cousin Jenny,
smoking menthol
beyond the sheds.
Late summer vacation 1973
in the backwoods of Tennessee.
To the right
behind the barn
were apple trees.
There were several
of those trees
and other trees
behind them
beyond a field
and behind them, other trees.
Later, I stood near
as a crowd
watched Pops and my Uncle
cooking apple butter;
stirring the brown gunk,
boiling in a huge black kettle.
I saw my father
secretly pass
a wine bottle
to my Uncle Clarence.
I went from
breathing cold mist
out back behind the barn,
to breathing
the hot misty steam.
The air smelled of apple fumes
and strong booze.
-Will Dockery
--------------------------------------------
Here is the "Apple Montage" poem, for scrutiny and comment.
:)
HarryLime wrote:
Will Dockery wrote:
mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) posted:
Will Dockery wrote:
mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) posted:
Will Dockery wrote:
mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) posted:
Will Dockery wrote:
Apple Montage
Sneaking around
with Cousin Jenny,
smoking menthol
beyond the sheds.
Late summer vacation 1973
in the backwoods of Tennessee.
To the right
behind the barn
were apple trees.
There were several
of those trees
and other trees
behind them
beyond a field
and behind them, other trees.
Later, I stood near
as a crowd
watched Pops and my Uncle
cooking apple butter;
stirring the brown gunk,
boiling in a huge black kettle.
I saw my father
secretly pass
a wine bottle
to my Uncle Clarence.
I went from
breathing cold mist
out back behind the barn,
to breathing
the hot misty steam.
The air smelled of apple fumes
and strong booze.
-Will Dockery
And here I thought you were going to ask if you could use my de-cluttered version for your next Twitter poem.
No, I wrote about the clutter in the thread, not the poem.
The poem is an almost perfect poetry montage as it is..
Here ^^^
This is still obvious ^^^
Define "poetry montage."
See my poem "Apple Montage" for an example of ause of montage in poetry. >>>
Here ^^^
Wikipedia is a good start on defining "montage":
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montage_(filmmaking)
Here is Wikipedia's definition (as per your link):
"A montage (/m'n-et'-E'/ mon-TAHZH) is a film editing technique in which a series of short shots are sequenced to condense space, time, and information. Montages enable filmmakers to communicate a large amount of information to an audience over a shorter span of time by juxtaposing different shots, compressing time through editing, or intertwining multiple storylines of a narrative.
"The term has varied meanings depending on the filmmaking tradition. In French, the word montage applied to cinema simply denotes editing. In Soviet montage theory, as originally introduced outside the USSR by Sergei Eisenstein,[1] it was used to create symbolism.[2] Later, the term "montage sequence", used primarily by British and American studios, became the common technique to suggest the passage of time.[3]
"From the 1930s to the 1950s, montage sequences often combined numerous short shots with special optical effects (fades/dissolves, split screens, double and triple exposures), dance, and music."
The closest your poem comes to having a montage would be a series of lap dissolves showing the trees behind trees behind trees -- which is merely a bridge between the two scenes depicted, and which has *no* apples mentioned in it.
As previously pointed out, my poem uses montage effects in poetry form.
My poem definitely used montage, this is an argument that is apparently ongoing.
This argument was settled long ago.
Interesting that I was watching a television program about Orson Welles just last night, where montage was mentioned.
Like it or not, my poem does use montage.
The entire poem is montage, using montage effects.
I've known about montage since the 1970s.
I know exactly what a montage is, and knew from the start.
If your poem doesn't follow this montage structure
Dockery: Again, there's no set structure for the use of montage effects in poetry.
MMP: Again, a "montage poem" and the use of "montage effects" are two very different things.
Not really, there's no set "montage form" in poetry.
There are thousands of apples in the trees, in the montage.
The trees described are *apple* trees.
Dockery: In context that's obvious.
"To the right
behind the barn
were apple trees.
There were several
of those trees
and other trees
behind them
beyond a field
and behind them, other trees."
I grew up in a rural, farming community. Behind any given apple orchard was a forest. The local forests did not contain apple trees, but a mix of pine, maple, oak, holly and spruce.
And if there was another field behind the apple orchard, it either contained other fruit-bearing trees (cherry, pear), or plants (corn, lettuce, tomato, pumpkin, etc.).
Okay, I was reporting what I personally saw at age 8-10.
Apparently my grandfather ran his orchard differently or another explanation.
At this rate I might not have the answers, as the older folks are gone now. >>>
The idea of an apple orchard with apples trees behind it, followed by a second apple orchard, followed by more apple trees strikes me as... bizarre.
Sure, and a lot of the stuff that you and NancyGene write about people is bizarre as well, but joy find it to be acceptable.
Is the title of your poem
Dockery: The title of my poem is "Apple Montage."
I think the title of montage poem is well known by now.
MMP: I asked you why you post-edited my question, Donkey. Are you afraid to address the fact that an apple and an apple tree are two very different things?
Dockery: It's a poem in montage form.
MMP: You had said that "It's a poem in montage form."
That's correct.
Dockery: I used montage effects in poetry form.
"montage poem."
My poem used montage effects, whether you agree or not.
MMP: You keep stamping your foot
Exactly the same could be said about you.
Dockery: Look who's talking.
MMP: I've repeatedly explained to you what a "montage" is.
I've known for years, decades, what a montage is.
I've also explained what a "montage poem" is
I already know what a montage poem is, I wrote one.
you haven't
Yes, it was a poem using montage effects, but of course I don't expect you to admit it.
How's this for a compromise?
a poem using montage effects
Thst part I can agree with.
Will Dockery wrote:
mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) posted:
Will Dockery wrote:
mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) posted:
Will Dockery wrote:
Apple Montage
Sneaking around
with Cousin Jenny,
smoking menthol
beyond the sheds.
Late summer vacation 1973
in the backwoods of Tennessee.
To the right
behind the barn
were apple trees.
There were several
of those trees
and other trees
behind them
beyond a field
and behind them, other trees.
Later, I stood near
as a crowd
watched Pops and my Uncle
cooking apple butter;
stirring the brown gunk,
boiling in a huge black kettle.
I saw my father
secretly pass
a wine bottle
to my Uncle Clarence.
I went from
breathing cold mist
out back behind the barn,
to breathing
the hot misty steam.
The air smelled of apple fumes
and strong booze.
-Will Dockery
And here I thought you were going to ask if you could use my de-cluttered version for your next Twitter poem.
Refresh my memory?
I'd like to see that.
No, I wrote about the clutter in the thread, not the poem.
The poem is an almost perfect poetry montage as it is..
Here ^^^
This is still obvious ^^^
Define "poetry montage."
See my poem "Apple Montage" for an example of ause of montage in poetry.
Here ^^^
Wikipedia is a good start on defining "montage":
DONKEY: There's no entry on the use of montage in poetry, though.
MMP: Let's ask Dunce's "trusted source":
"A montage poem layers disparate images, fragments, sounds, and ideas from various sources (like newspaper clippings, songs, slogans) to create a new, complex whole, reflecting fragmented modern life, much like film editing. It juxtaposes these elements without traditional narrative, inviting the reader to find meaning in the connections, contradictions, and rhythms between them, as seen in works like Langston Hughes' Montage of a Dream Deferred."
Well, lookee lookee. Dunce's "trusted source" uses practically the same description that I've been putting forward.
NOTE that it's a non-narrative poem juxtaposing images and ideas to create a "new, complex whole."
Holiday Season fits this description to a T. Appleless Nontage does not.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montage_(filmmaking)
Here is Wikipedia's definition (as per your link):
"A montage (/m'n-et'-E'/ mon-TAHZH) is a film editing technique in which a series of short shots are sequenced to condense space, time, and information. Montages enable filmmakers to communicate a large amount of information to an audience over a shorter span of time by juxtaposing different shots, compressing time through editing, or intertwining multiple storylines of a narrative.
"The term has varied meanings depending on the filmmaking tradition. In French, the word montage applied to cinema simply denotes editing. In Soviet montage theory, as originally introduced outside the USSR by Sergei Eisenstein,[1] it was used to create symbolism.[2] Later, the term "montage sequence", used primarily by British and American studios, became the common technique to suggest the passage of time.[3]
"From the 1930s to the 1950s, montage sequences often combined numerous short shots with special optical effects (fades/dissolves, split screens, double and triple exposures), dance, and music."
DONKEY: That's film, my montage is in poetic form.
MMP: Not according to the definition given to you by both myself and Dunce's "trusted source."
You poem has a narrative. Your poem does not juxtapose various images/ideas/sounds/etc. to create a larger, all-encompassing concept.
One could also argue that yours is not even in poem form -- it's a pair of two short anecdotes from your past in fiction form.
As previously pointed out, my poem uses montage effects in poetry form.
DONKEY: My poem definitely used montage, this is an argument that is apparently ongoing.
MMP: As previously noted, it uses a transitional scene that *could* be considered a "montage sequence" in terms of a montage employed as a cinematic technique to show the passage of time. But even if it were, it would not make your poem an "montage poem." Nor would the use of a transitional effect be considered more important than either of the scenes is links -- and certainly not to such an extent that it would become the title. If that were the case, can you imagine how many old movies would have been named "Train Montage" or "Daily Calendar Page Montage"?
DONKEY: Interesting that I was watching a television program about Orson Welles just last night, where montage was mentioned.
MMP: Interesting that a renowned filmmaker would have used montage effects in his films? And how does the use of montage in Citizen Kane illuminate your supposed use of montage in your poem?
DONKEY: Like it or not, my poem does use montage.
The entire poem is montage, using montage effects.
MMP: Like it or not, your entire poem is formatted as two scenes with a transitional bridge.
Again, here is the definition of a montage poem:
"A montage poem layers disparate images, fragments, sounds, and ideas from various sources (like newspaper clippings, songs, slogans) to create a new, complex whole, reflecting fragmented modern life, much like film editing. It juxtaposes these elements without traditional narrative, inviting the reader to find meaning in the connections, contradictions, and rhythms between them, as seen in works like Langston Hughes' Montage of a Dream Deferred."
DONKEY: I've known about montage since the 1970s.
MMP: I watched Siskel and Ebert as well. But I only had a superficial understanding of montage until I read "Film Sense" by Eisenstein. Did you read Eisenstein in the 1970s?
DONKEY: I know exactly what a montage is, and knew from the start.
MMP: You have a vague, superficial idea of montage -- just as you have a vague, superficial idea of most words. As an autodidact (which I use charitably), you've interpolated your definition of most words from the context in which you were introduced to them. The problem with this educational approach is that most words have more than one meaning.
Here is how Dunce's "trusted source" describes Eisenstein's theory of montage:
"Sergei Eisenstein's theory of montage posits that meaning in film arises not from individual shots but from their collision and juxtaposition, creating a new, synthesized idea in the viewer's mind, much like a dialectical process. He identified five types (metric, rhythmic, tonal, overtonal, and intellectual) to achieve specific emotional or intellectual effects, with intellectual montage being the most significant, using conflicting images (like a bull slaughter and worker massacre) to provoke thought."
What individual ideas are being juxtaposed in your poem? What new, larger concept is being created via said juxtaposition?
DONKEY: Again, there's no set structure for the use of montage effects in poetry.
MMP: There's no set structure for the use of montage effects, however, the effects in question would need to meet the definition of "montage."
DONKEY: Not really, there's no set "montage form" in poetry.
MMP: How many times are you going to keep repeating yourself, Donkey?
DONKEY: There are thousands of apples in the trees, in the montage.
In context that's obvious:
"To the right
behind the barn
were apple trees.
There were several
of those trees
and other trees
behind them
beyond a field
and behind them, other trees."
These trees are obviously apple trees, any intelligent reader will see that.
MMP: There "several" apple trees with "other trees" behind them.
"Other trees" implies that the trees were *not* apple trees.
Any educated reader will tell you that.
DONKEY: It wouldn't look right if I'd written "apple trees" every time I mentioned the trees.
Will Dockery wrote:
mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) posted:
Will Dockery wrote:
mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) posted:
Will Dockery wrote:
Apple Montage
Sneaking around
with Cousin Jenny,
smoking menthol
beyond the sheds.
Late summer vacation 1973
in the backwoods of Tennessee.
To the right
behind the barn
were apple trees.
There were several
of those trees
and other trees
behind them
beyond a field
and behind them, other trees.
Later, I stood near
as a crowd
watched Pops and my Uncle
cooking apple butter;
stirring the brown gunk,
boiling in a huge black kettle.
I saw my father
secretly pass
a wine bottle
to my Uncle Clarence.
I went from
breathing cold mist
out back behind the barn,
to breathing
the hot misty steam.
The air smelled of apple fumes
and strong booze.
-Will Dockery
And here I thought you were going to ask if you could use my de-cluttered version for your next Twitter poem.
Refresh my memory?
I'd like to see that.
Where is it, I'll ask again?
No, I wrote about the clutter in the thread, not the poem.
The poem is an almost perfect poetry montage as it is..
Here ^^^
This is still obvious ^^^
Define "poetry montage."
DONKEY: The term is very easy to understand.
I think you actually know that, Harry.
MMP: Since your poem does not correspond with my definition of "poetry montage," or with that of Dunce's "trusted source," or with any other definition that I've ever come across, I'm asking you to tell me what your definition is.
See my poem "Apple Montage" for an example of ause of montage in poetry.
Here ^^^
Wikipedia is a good start on defining "montage":
DONKEY: Except there's not an entry about montage effects in poetry.
MMP: Earth to Drunky: You're the one who posted that, Donkey (on Tue Dec 30 2025 7:31 am). If you didn't think it applied, why did you post it?
Dockery: There's no entry on the use of montage in poetry, though.
MMP: Let's ask Dunce's "trusted source":
"A montage poem layers disparate images, fragments, sounds, and ideas from various sources (like newspaper clippings, songs, slogans) to create a new, complex whole, reflecting fragmented modern life, much like film editing. It juxtaposes these elements without traditional narrative, inviting the reader to find meaning in the connections, contradictions, and rhythms between them, as seen in works like Langston Hughes' Montage of a Dream Deferred."
Well, lookee lookee. Dunce's "trusted source" uses practically the same description that I've been putting forward.
NOTE that it's a non-narrative poem juxtaposing images and ideas to create a "new, complex whole."
Holiday Season fits this description to a T.
DONKEY: Again, in your biased opinion.
Apple Montage uses montage effects in several levels.
It's not a surprise you can't accept that, Harry.
MMP: You keep stamping your foot and repeating that Donkey, but you still haven't pointed out *where* these supposed montage effects are -- or on what levels they operate.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montage_(filmmaking)
Here is Wikipedia's definition (as per your link):
"A montage (/m'n-et'-E'/ mon-TAHZH) is a film editing technique in which a series of short shots are sequenced to condense space, time, and information. Montages enable filmmakers to communicate a large amount of information to an audience over a shorter span of time by juxtaposing different shots, compressing time through editing, or intertwining multiple storylines of a narrative.
"The term has varied meanings depending on the filmmaking tradition. In French, the word montage applied to cinema simply denotes editing. In Soviet montage theory, as originally introduced outside the USSR by Sergei Eisenstein,[1] it was used to create symbolism.[2] Later, the term "montage sequence", used primarily by British and American studios, became the common technique to suggest the passage of time.[3]
"From the 1930s to the 1950s, montage sequences often combined numerous short shots with special optical effects (fades/dissolves, split screens, double and triple exposures), dance, and music."
DONKEY: My poem uses montage effects, again, it's a poem, not s film.
MMP: Where does it use them, Donkey?
Your repeatedly insisting that they exist means nothing. SHOW ME.
Dockery: That's film, my montage is in poetic form.
MMP: Not according to the definition given to you by both myself and Dunce's "trusted source."
You poem has a narrative. Your poem does not juxtapose various images/ideas/sounds/etc. to create a larger, all-encompassing concept.
One could also argue that yours is not even in poem form -- it's a pair of two short anecdotes from your past in fiction form.
As previously pointed out, my poem uses montage effects in poetry form.
Dockery: My poem definitely used montage, this is an argument that is apparently ongoing.
MMP: As previously noted, it uses a transitional scene that *could* be considered a "montage sequence" in terms of a montage employed as a cinematic technique to show the passage of time. But even if it were, it would not make your poem an "montage poem." Nor would the use of a transitional effect be considered more important than either of the scenes is links -- and certainly not to such an extent that it would become the title. If that were the case, can you imagine how many old movies would have been named "Train Montage" or "Daily Calendar Page Montage"?
Dockery: Interesting that I was watching a television program about Orson Welles just last night, where montage was mentioned.
MMP: Interesting that a renowned filmmaker would have used montage effects in his films? And how does the use of montage in Citizen Kane illuminate your supposed use of montage in your poem?
Dockery: Like it or not, my poem does use montage.
The entire poem is montage, using montage effects.
MMP: Like it or not, your entire poem is formatted as two scenes with a transitional bridge.
Again, here is the definition of a montage poem:
"A montage poem layers disparate images, fragments, sounds, and ideas from various sources (like newspaper clippings, songs, slogans) to create a new, complex whole, reflecting fragmented modern life, much like film editing. It juxtaposes these elements without traditional narrative, inviting the reader to find meaning in the connections, contradictions, and rhythms between them, as seen in works like Langston Hughes' Montage of a Dream Deferred."
Dockery: I've known about montage since the 1970s.
MMP: I watched Siskel and Ebert as well. But I only had a superficial understanding of montage until I read "Film Sense" by Eisenstein. Did you read Eisenstein in the 1970s?
Dockery: I know exactly what a montage is, and knew from the start.
MMP: You have a vague, superficial idea of montage -- just as you have a vague, superficial idea of most words. As an autodidact (which I use charitably), you've interpolated your definition of most words from the context in which you were introduced to them. The problem with this educational approach is that most words have more than one meaning.
Here is how George Dance's "trusted source" describes Eisenstein's theory of montage:
"Sergei Eisenstein's theory of montage posits that meaning in film arises not from individual shots but from their collision and juxtaposition, creating a new, synthesized idea in the viewer's mind, much like a dialectical process. He identified five types (metric, rhythmic, tonal, overtonal, and intellectual) to achieve specific emotional or intellectual effects, with intellectual montage being the most significant, using conflicting images (like a bull slaughter and worker massacre) to provoke thought."
What individual ideas are being juxtaposed in your poem? What new, larger concept is being created via said juxtaposition?
DONKEY: The poem is a montage of childhood holiday memories, as I've stated.
MMP: Two memories separated by a transitional bridge is NOT a montage, Donkey. A montage is NON-narrative. Your memories are in narrative form. They are scenes, not images.
Words matter. Get an education already.
Dockery: Again, there's no set structure for the use of montage effects in poetry.
MMP: There's no set structure for the use of montage effects, however, the effects in question would need to meet the definition of "montage."
Dockery: Not really, there's no set "montage form" in poetry.
DONKEY: As we've agreed ^^^
MMP: Why are you telling yourself that you'd agreed with yourself, Drunky?
MMP: How many times are you going to keep repeating yourself, Donkey?
Dockery:: There are thousands of apples in the trees, in the montage.
In context that's obvious:
Here ^^^
"To the right
behind the barn
were apple trees.
There were several
of those trees
and other trees
behind them
beyond a field
and behind them, other trees."
These trees are obviously apple trees, any intelligent reader will see that. >>
MMP: There "several" apple trees with "other trees" behind them.
"Other trees" implies that the trees were *not* apple trees.
DONKEY: Other trees simply means more of the same
Apple trees.
The meaning should be very clear to the average reader.
MMP: Wrong, Donkey.
"There were several of those trees and other trees behind them."
"Those trees" would refer to apple trees; "other trees" would mean different trees.
It they "other trees" were intended to be apple trees, you should have written "and more of the same behind them."
Words matter.
Go back to the fourth grade and learn basic English.
Dockery: It wouldn't look right if I'd written "apple trees" every time I mentioned the trees.
MMP: It wouldn't look any more or less "right"
DONKEY: In your biased opinion, you mean.
MMP: There's nothing biased about my opinion, Donkey.
But let's face it -- there's nothing poetic about your supposed poem. It's two chopped prose anecdotes from your childhood.
There's no meter to adhere to... no rhymes to force the content... no metaphor... nothing.
If you specify that they're apple trees (as per my edit below), your writing doesn't suffer in any way, shape, or form. It simply becomes more intelligible.
"To the right
behind the barn
were apple trees.
There were several
of those trees
and more
behind them
beyond a field
and behind them, more apple trees."
But again, one must ask why a transitional device used to segue from scene one to scene two would be of such significance that it should become the title the poem's title.
In your previous comments, you said that the poem was meant to be a nostalgic look at some of your childhood memories.
I see it as being concerned with various generations of a family stealthily indulging in minor vices.
In your previous comments, you said that the poem was meant to be a nostalgic look at some of your childhood memories.
Will Dockery wrote:
mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) posted:
Will Dockery wrote:
In your previous comments, you said that the poem was meant to be a nostalgic look at some of your childhood memories.
DONKEY: Which it obviously is, written as a montage in poetry form.
MMP: It just occurred to me that you might be conflating (or confusing) "montage" with "homage."
It would be correct to say that your poem was written as an homage to your childhood memories.
Will Dockery wrote:
mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) posted:
Will Dockery wrote:
Apple MontageThe term is very easy to understand.
Sneaking around
with Cousin Jenny,
smoking menthol
beyond the sheds.
Late summer vacation 1973
in the backwoods of Tennessee.
To the right
behind the barn
were apple trees.
There were several
of those trees
and other trees
behind them
beyond a field
and behind them, other trees.
Later, I stood near
as a crowd
watched Pops and my Uncle
cooking apple butter;
stirring the brown gunk,
boiling in a huge black kettle.
I saw my father
secretly pass
a wine bottle
to my Uncle Clarence.
I went from
breathing cold mist
out back behind the barn,
to breathing
the hot misty steam.
The air smelled of apple fumes
and strong booze.
-Will Dockery
The poem is an almost perfect poetry montage as it is..
I think you actually know that, Harry.
See my poem "Apple Montage" for an example of ause of montage in poetry. >>
Wikipedia is a good start on defining "montage":
Dockery: Except there's not an entry about montage effects in poetry.
There's no entry on the use of montage in poetry, though.
"A montage poem layers disparate images, fragments, sounds, and ideas from various sources (like newspaper clippings, songs, slogans) to create a new, complex whole, reflecting fragmented modern life, much like film editing. It juxtaposes these elements without traditional narrative, inviting the reader to find meaning in the connections, contradictions, and rhythms between them, as seen in works like Langston Hughes' Montage of a Dream Deferred."
Apple Montage uses montage effects in several levels.
It's not a surprise you can't accept that, Harry.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montage_(filmmaking)
Here is Wikipedia's definition (as per your link):
"A montage (/m'n-et'-E'/ mon-TAHZH) is a film editing technique in which a series of short shots are sequenced to condense space, time, and information. Montages enable filmmakers to communicate a large amount of information to an audience over a shorter span of time by juxtaposing different shots, compressing time through editing, or intertwining multiple storylines of a narrative.
"The term has varied meanings depending on the filmmaking tradition. In French, the word montage applied to cinema simply denotes editing. In Soviet montage theory, as originally introduced outside the USSR by Sergei Eisenstein,[1] it was used to create symbolism.[2] Later, the term "montage sequence", used primarily by British and American studios, became the common technique to suggest the passage of time.[3]
"From the 1930s to the 1950s, montage sequences often combined numerous short shots with special optical effects (fades/dissolves, split screens, double and triple exposures), dance, and music."
Dockery: My poem uses montage effects, again, it's a poem, not s film.
That's film, my montage is in poetic form.
MMP: Not according to the definition given to you by both myself and Dunce's "trusted source."
You poem has a narrative. Your poem does not juxtapose various images/ideas/sounds/etc. to create a larger, all-encompassing concept.
One could also argue that yours is not even in poem form -- it's a pair of two short anecdotes from your past in fiction form.
As previously pointed out, my poem uses montage effects in poetry form.
Dockery: My poem definitely used montage, this is an argument that is apparently ongoing.
MMP: As previously noted, it uses a transitional scene that *could* be considered a "montage sequence" in terms of a montage employed as a cinematic technique to show the passage of time. But even if it were, it would not make your poem an "montage poem." Nor would the use of a transitional effect be considered more important than either of the scenes is links -- and certainly not to such an extent that it would become the title. If that were the case, can you imagine how many old movies would have been named "Train Montage" or "Daily Calendar Page Montage"?
Dockery: Interesting that I was watching a television program about Orson Welles just last night, where montage was mentioned.
MMP: Interesting that a renowned filmmaker would have used montage effects in his films? And how does the use of montage in Citizen Kane illuminate your supposed use of montage in your poem?
Dockery: Like it or not, my poem does use montage.
The entire poem is montage, using montage effects.
MMP: Like it or not, your entire poem is formatted as two scenes with a transitional bridge.
Again, here is the definition of a montage poem:
"A montage poem layers disparate images, fragments, sounds, and ideas from various sources (like newspaper clippings, songs, slogans) to create a new, complex whole, reflecting fragmented modern life, much like film editing. It juxtaposes these elements without traditional narrative, inviting the reader to find meaning in the connections, contradictions, and rhythms between them, as seen in works like Langston Hughes' Montage of a Dream Deferred."
Dockery: I've known about montage since the 1970s.
MMP: I watched Siskel and Ebert as well. But I only had a superficial understanding of montage until I read "Film Sense" by Eisenstein. Did you read Eisenstein in the 1970s?
Dockery: I know exactly what a montage is, and knew from the start.
MMP: You have a vague, superficial idea of montage -- just as you have a vague, superficial idea of most words. As an autodidact (which I use charitably), you've interpolated your definition of most words from the context in which you were introduced to them. The problem with this educational approach is that most words have more than one meaning.
Here is how George Dance's "trusted source" describes Eisenstein's theory of montage:
"Sergei Eisenstein's theory of montage posits that meaning in film arises not from individual shots but from their collision and juxtaposition, creating a new, synthesized idea in the viewer's mind, much like a dialectical process. He identified five types (metric, rhythmic, tonal, overtonal, and intellectual) to achieve specific emotional or intellectual effects, with intellectual montage being the most significant, using conflicting images (like a bull slaughter and worker massacre) to provoke thought."
What individual ideas are being juxtaposed in your poem? What new, larger concept is being created via said juxtaposition?
Dockery: The poem is a montage of childhood holiday memories, as I've stated.
MMP: Two memories separated by a transitional bridge
Dockery: Again, there's no set structure for the use of montage effects in poetry.
MMP: There's no set structure for the use of montage effects
Not really, there's no set "montage form" in poetry.
As we've agreed ^^^
There are thousands of apples in the trees, in the montage.
In context that's obvious:
Here ^^^
"To the right
behind the barn
were apple trees.
There were several
of those trees
and other trees
behind them
beyond a field
and behind them, other trees."
These trees are obviously apple trees, any intelligent reader will see that.
MMP: There "several" apple trees with "other trees" behind them.
"Other trees" implies that the trees were *not* apple trees.
Other trees simply means more of the same
Apple trees.
The meaning should be very clear to the average reader.
MMP: Wrong
"There were several of those trees and other trees behind them."
"Those trees" would refer to apple trees; "other trees" would mean different trees.
It they "other trees" were intended to be apple trees, you should have written "and more of the same behind them."
It wouldn't look right if I'd written "apple trees" every time I mentioned the trees.
MMP: It wouldn't look any more or less "right"
In your biased opinion, you mean.
MMP: There's nothing biased about my opinion, Donkey.
anecdotes from your childhood.
There's no
If you specify that they're apple trees (as per my edit below), your writing doesn't suffer in any way, shape, or form. It simply becomes more intelligible.
"To the right
behind the barn
were apple trees.
There were several
of those trees
and more
behind them
beyond a field
and behind them, more apple trees."
But again, one must ask why a transitional device used to segue from scene one to scene two would be of such significance that it should become the title the poem's title.
Dockery: The entire poem uses montage effects.
You don't have to agree but that remains just your opinion, Harry.
MMP: POINT THEM OUT
Will Dockery wrote:
mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) posted:
Will Dockery wrote:
mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) posted:
Will Dockery wrote:
In your previous comments, you said that the poem was meant to be a nostalgic look at some of your childhood memories.
DONKEY: Which it obviously is, written as a montage in poetry form.
MMP: It just occurred to me that you might be conflating (or confusing) "montage" with "homage."
It would be correct to say that your poem was written as an homage to your childhood memories.
Will Donkey could also be writing "fromage."
Will Dockery wrote:
Apple Montage
Sneaking around
with Cousin Jenny,
smoking menthol
beyond the sheds.
Late summer vacation 1973
in the backwoods of Tennessee.
To the right
behind the barn
were apple trees.
There were several
of those trees
and other trees
behind them
beyond a field
and behind them, other trees.
Later, I stood near
as a crowd
watched Pops and my Uncle
cooking apple butter;
stirring the brown gunk,
boiling in a huge black kettle.
I saw my father
secretly pass
a wine bottle
to my Uncle Clarence.
I went from
breathing cold mist
out back behind the barn,
to breathing
the hot misty steam.
The air smelled of apple fumes
and strong booze.
-Will Dockery
--------------------------------------------
Here is the "Apple Montage" poem, for scrutiny and comment.
:)
NancyGene wrote:
HarryLime wrote:
Will Dockery wrote:
mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) posted:
Will Dockery wrote:
mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) posted:
Will Dockery wrote:
In your previous comments, you said that the poem was meant to be a nostalgic look at some of your childhood memories.
DONKEY: Which it obviously is, written as a montage in poetry form.
MMP: It just occurred to me that you might be conflating (or confusing) "montage" with "homage."
It would be correct to say that your poem was written as an homage to your childhood memories.
Will Donkey could also be writing "fromage."
We think that what Will Donkey wrote was more of an inept panorama than a montage. However, apple trees were not discovered in Georgia until 1997, so what Will Donkey was writing about was probably dogwood. Mildred was strangely attracted to those trees.
[quote="NancyGene"][quote="NancyGene"][quote="HarryLime"]
HarryLime wrote:
Will Dockery wrote:
mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) posted:
Will Dockery wrote:
mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) posted:
Will Dockery wrote:
In your previous comments, you said that the poem was meant to be
a nostalgic look at some of your childhood memories.
DONKEY: Which it obviously is, written as a montage in poetry form.
MMP: It just occurred to me that you might be conflating (or
confusing) "montage" with "homage."
It would be correct to say that your poem was written as an homage
to your childhood memories.
Will Donkey could also be writing "fromage."
We think that what Will Donkey wrote was more of an inept panorama
than a montage. However, apple trees were not discovered in Georgia
until 1997, so what Will Donkey was writing about was probably
dogwood. Mildred was strangely attracted to those trees.
We correct ourselves--the poem takes place in the "backwoods" of
Tennessee, instead of Georgia. However, there are no apple trees in Tennessee, only mountain tops, coonskin caps, and bears. Mildred was
also attracted to bears.
apple trees were not discovered in Georgia until 1997
We correct ourselves--the poem takes place in the "backwoods" of Tennessee, instead of Georgia
Will Dockery wrote:
nancygene.andjayme@gmail-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (NancyGene) posted:
apple trees were not discovered in Georgia until 1997
We correct ourselves--the poem takes place in the "backwoods" of Tennessee, instead of Georgia
There is no need for dentists in the "backwoods" of Tennessee, Georgia or Alabama.
[quote="NancyGene"]
Will Dockery wrote:
nancygene.andjayme@gmail-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (NancyGene) posted:
apple trees were not discovered in Georgia until 1997
We correct ourselves--the poem takes place in the "backwoods" of
Tennessee, instead of Georgia
There is no need for dentists in the "backwoods" of Tennessee,
Georgia or Alabama.
There is no need for soap in Tennessee, Georgia or Alabama either. A specialty at their Waffle Houses is Road Apple Pie.
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Will Dockery wrote:
nancygene.andjayme@gmail-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (NancyGene) posted:
apple trees were not discovered in Georgia until 1997
We correct ourselves--the poem takes place in the "backwoods" of
Tennessee, instead of Georgia
[quote="Will Dockery"]nancygene.andjayme@gmail-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (NancyGene) wrote in
news:xgidnQ0TMsN2f_70nZ2dnZfqn_SdnZ2d@giganews.com:
Will Dockery wrote:
nancygene.andjayme@gmail-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (NancyGene) posted:
apple trees were not discovered in Georgia until 1997
We correct ourselves--the poem takes place in the "backwoods" of
Tennessee, instead of Georgia
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Will Dockery wrote:
nancygene.andjayme@gmail-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (NancyGene) wrote in news:xgidnQ0TMsN2f_70nZ2dnZfqn_SdnZ2d@giganews.com:
Will Dockery wrote:
nancygene.andjayme@gmail-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (NancyGene) posted:
apple trees were not discovered in Georgia until 1997
We correct ourselves--the poem takes place in the "backwoods" of
Tennessee, instead of Georgia
Will Dockery wrote:
Apple Montage
Sneaking around
with Cousin Jenny,
smoking menthol
beyond the sheds.
Late summer vacation 1973
in the backwoods of Tennessee.
To the right
behind the barn
were apple trees.
There were several
of those trees
and other trees
behind them
beyond a field
and behind them, other trees.
Later, I stood near
as a crowd
watched Pops and my Uncle
cooking apple butter;
stirring the brown gunk,
boiling in a huge black kettle.
I saw my father
secretly pass
a wine bottle
to my Uncle Clarence.
I went from
breathing cold mist
out back behind the barn,
to breathing
the hot misty steam.
The air smelled of apple fumes
and strong booze.
-Will Dockery
--------------------------------------------
Here is the "Apple Montage" poem, for scrutiny and comment.
:)
Will Dockery wrote:
Apple Montage
Sneaking around
with Cousin Jenny,
smoking menthol
beyond the sheds.
Late summer vacation 1973
in the backwoods of Tennessee.
To the right
behind the barn
were apple trees.
There were several
of those trees
and other trees
behind them
beyond a field
and behind them, other trees.
Later, I stood near
as a crowd
watched Pops and my Uncle
cooking apple butter;
stirring the brown gunk,
boiling in a huge black kettle.
I saw my father
secretly pass
a wine bottle
to my Uncle Clarence.
I went from
breathing cold mist
out back behind the barn,
to breathing
the hot misty steam.
The air smelled of apple fumes
and strong booze.
-Will Dockery
--------------------------------------------
Here is the "Apple Montage" poem, for scrutiny and comment.
:)
NancyGene wrote:
The grouping of three corpses is inspiring.
Will-Dockery wrote:
NancyGene wrote:
The grouping of three corpses is inspiring.
Perhaps you need an eye exam?
NancyGene wrote:
Will-Dockery wrote:
NancyGene wrote:
The grouping of three corpses is inspiring.
Perhaps you need an eye exam?
The Polka Dot Tie Gang?
HarryLime wrote:
NancyGene wrote:
Will-Dockery wrote:
NancyGene wrote:
The grouping of three corpses is inspiring.
Perhaps you need an eye exam?
The Polka Dot Tie Gang?
Old Donkey relatives, judging by the ears.
NancyGene wrote:
HarryLime wrote:
NancyGene wrote:
Will-Dockery wrote:
NancyGene wrote:
The grouping of three corpses is inspiring.
Perhaps you need an eye exam?
The Polka Dot Tie Gang?
What is that in the upper right corner of the photo?
Will-Dockery wrote:
NancyGene wrote:
HarryLime wrote:
NancyGene wrote:
Will-Dockery wrote:
NancyGene wrote:
The grouping of three corpses is inspiring.
Perhaps you need an eye exam?
The Polka Dot Tie Gang?
What is that in the upper right corner of the photo?
The photograph is nearly 100 years old, so take a guess.
NancyGene wrote:
Will-Dockery wrote:
NancyGene wrote:
HarryLime wrote:
NancyGene wrote:
Will-Dockery wrote:
NancyGene wrote:
The grouping of three corpses is inspiring.
Perhaps you need an eye exam?
The Polka Dot Tie Gang?
What is that in the upper right corner of the photo?
The photograph is nearly 100 years old, so take a guess.
The photo is a fake. There were no cameras in Tennessee, Alabama, Georgia or Florida until after the 1970s.
"Again, *****, cameras and photographs were not so common in 1976 as they are now, so I don't have a huge number of photos from those days." - Will Donkey
HarryLime wrote:
NancyGene wrote:
Will Dockery wrote:
NancyGene wrote:
The grouping of three corpses is inspiring.
Perhaps you need an eye exam?
The Polka Dot Tie Gang?
HarryLime wrote:
NancyGene wrote:
Will-Dockery wrote:
NancyGene wrote:
HarryLime wrote:
NancyGene wrote:
Will-Dockery wrote:
NancyGene wrote:
The grouping of three corpses is inspiring.
Perhaps you need an eye exam?
The Polka Dot Tie Gang?
What is that in the upper right corner of the photo?
The photograph is nearly 100 years old, so take a guess.
The photo is a fake. There were no cameras in Tennessee, Alabama, Georgia or Florida until after the 1970s.
"Again, *****, cameras and photographs were not so common in 1976 as they are now, so I don't have a huge number of photos from those days." - Will Donkey
Another Donkey lie debunked!
HarryLime wrote:
Will Dockery wrote:
NancyGene wrote:
Will Dockery wrote:
NancyGene wrote:
The grouping of three corpses is inspiring.
Perhaps you need an eye exam?
The Polka Dot Tie Gang?
What is that in the upper right corner of the photo?
The photograph is nearly 100 years old, so take a guess.
The photo is a fake.
There were no cameras in Tennessee, Alabama, Georgia or Florida until after the 1970s.
"Again, *****, cameras and photographs were not so common in 1976 as they are now, so I don't have a huge number of photos from those days." - Will Donkey
doesn't stand behind his statements
He wants us to believe that he has photos that are over 100 years old (1926) yet doesn't have any of Ahmos Zu-Bolton or anyone in 1976 because cameras were rare then.
NancyGene wrote:
HarryLime wrote:
NancyGene wrote:
Will-Dockery wrote:
NancyGene wrote:
HarryLime wrote:
NancyGene wrote:
Will-Dockery wrote:
NancyGene wrote:
The grouping of three corpses is inspiring.
Perhaps you need an eye exam?
The Polka Dot Tie Gang?
What is that in the upper right corner of the photo?
The photograph is nearly 100 years old, so take a guess.
The photo is a fake. There were no cameras in Tennessee, Alabama, Georgia or Florida until after the 1970s.
"Again, *****, cameras and photographs were not so common in 1976 as they are now, so I don't have a huge number of photos from those days." - Will Donkey
Another Donkey lie debunked!
Will Donkey doesn't stand behind his statements (i.e., lies). He wants us to believe that he has photos that are over 100 years old (1926) yet doesn't have any of Ahmos Zu-Bolton or anyone in 1976 because cameras were rare then.
Will Dockery wrote:
We've been through this more than once, Harry.
Just because you and others had a camera in 1976 doesn't make them as common as they are in 2026.
Will Dockery wrote:
We've been through this more than once, Harry.
Just because you and others had a camera in 1976 doesn't make them as common as they are in 2026.
They were far more common in 1976 than they are today. Cellphone cameras have made film obsolete.
Will Dockery wrote:
We've been through this more than once, Harry.
Just because you and others had a camera in 1976 doesn't make them as common as they are in 2026.
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