• Re: Jazz Poetry

    From WillDockery@noreply@pugleaf.net.invalid to alt.arts.poetry.comments on Sun Jan 4 01:21:56 2026
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    Zodrslight.i2p wrote:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico_City_Blues

    "I want to be considered a jazz poet, blowing a long blues in an afternoon jam session on Sunday. I take 242 choruses; my ideas vary and sometimes roll from chorus to chorus or from halfway through a chorus to halfway into the next." -Jack Kerouac



    Fantastic quote about the Jack Kerouac writing method, which is still used by poets to this day, for example, John Darnielle of the Mountain Goats:

    "Cold At Night" / The Mountain Goats https://youtube.com/watch?v=pv53gRqjvxY&si=nP9A4bsz9bZB87HT

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  • From mpsilvertone@mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) to alt.arts.poetry.comments on Sun Jan 4 12:17:52 2026
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    WillDockery wrote:
    Zodrslight.i2p wrote:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico_City_Blues

    "I want to be considered a jazz poet, blowing a long blues in an afternoon jam session on Sunday. I take 242 choruses; my ideas vary and sometimes roll from chorus to chorus or from halfway through a chorus to halfway into the next." -Jack Kerouac





    Fantastic quote about the Jack Kerouac writing method, which is still used by poets to this day, for example, John Darnielle of the Mountain Goats:

    "Cold At Night" / The Mountain Goats


    ***



    More mental masturbation from Jack.

    He has no more understanding of Jazz than he has of Buddhism (Dharma), but nevertheless gets off on applying it to his poetry/lifestyle.

    I can see why he's your idol, as you're constantly doing the same thing.

    Jazz is based upon the concept that there are potentially infinite variations within the framework of a given song. A jazz musician explores those variations -- while *staying within the structure* of the musical piece.

    Like your own "unspeakable shit," Jack's poetry had no basic form for him to perform variations (riffs) on.

    In order to have 242 choruses, you need to first have a basic structure or form. You can't have a chorus, for example, without a verse.

    His description of pursuing ideas over multiple choruses, stopping them in mid-chorus, etc., sounds more akin to the thought-fragment/word association process of Fragmentism than to the variations of Jazz.

    He just liked the way that the label of "Jazz poet" sounded... much the same way that you like calling yourself a poet.


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  • From Will Dockery@user3274@newsgrouper.org.invalid to alt.arts.poetry.comments on Sun Jan 4 19:22:01 2026
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    mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) posted:
    Will Dockery wrote:
    Zodrslight.i2p wrote:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico_City_Blues

    "I want to be considered a jazz poet, blowing a long blues in an afternoon jam session on Sunday. I take 242 choruses; my ideas vary and sometimes roll from chorus to chorus or from halfway through a chorus to halfway into the next." -Jack Kerouac

    Fantastic quote about the Jack Kerouac writing method, which is still used by poets to this day, for example, John Darnielle of the Mountain Goats:

    "Cold At Night" / The Mountain Goats

    ***

    More mental masturbation from Jack.

    He has no more understanding of Jazz than he has of Buddhism (Dharma), but nevertheless gets off on applying it to his poetry/lifestyle.

    I can see why he's your idol, as you're constantly doing the same thing.

    Jazz is based upon the concept that there are potentially infinite variations within the framework of a given song. A jazz musician explores those variations -- while *staying within the structure* of the musical piece.

    Like your own "unspeakable shit," Jack's poetry had no basic form for him to perform variations (riffs) on.

    In order to have 242 choruses, you need to first have a basic structure or form. You can't have a chorus, for example, without a verse.

    His description of pursuing ideas over multiple choruses, stopping them in mid-chorus, etc., sounds more akin to the thought-fragment/word association process of Fragmentism than to the variations of Jazz.

    He just liked the way that the label of "Jazz poet" sounded... much the same way that you like calling yourself a poet.

    This is a response to the post seen at: http://www.jlaforums.com/viewtopic.php?p=660030815#660030815

    Okay, you probably know that I don't mind being compared with Jack Kerouac.

    EfyA
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  • From will.dockery@will.dockery@gmail-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (Will-Dockery) to alt.arts.poetry.comments on Mon Jan 5 08:05:24 2026
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    Zod wrote:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico_City_Blues

    "I want to be considered a jazz poet, blowing a long blues in an afternoon jam session on Sunday. I take 242 choruses; my ideas vary and sometimes roll from chorus to chorus or from halfway through a chorus to halfway into the next." -Jack Kerouac





    A lot of my own poetry was written over the years using this and similar methods.


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  • From mpsilvertone@mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) to alt.arts.poetry.comments on Mon Jan 5 11:20:41 2026
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    Will Dockery wrote:
    mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) posted:

    Will Dockery wrote:
    Zodrslight.i2p wrote:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico_City_Blues

    "I want to be considered a jazz poet, blowing a long blues in an afternoon jam session on Sunday. I take 242 choruses; my ideas vary and sometimes roll from chorus to chorus or from halfway through a chorus to halfway into the next." -Jack Kerouac

    Fantastic quote about the Jack Kerouac writing method, which is still used by poets to this day, for example, John Darnielle of the Mountain Goats:

    "Cold At Night" / The Mountain Goats

    ***

    More mental masturbation from Jack.

    He has no more understanding of Jazz than he has of Buddhism (Dharma), but nevertheless gets off on applying it to his poetry/lifestyle.

    I can see why he's your idol, as you're constantly doing the same thing.

    Jazz is based upon the concept that there are potentially infinite variations within the framework of a given song. A jazz musician explores those variations -- while *staying within the structure* of the musical piece.

    Like your own "unspeakable sh*t," Jack's poetry had no basic form for him to perform variations (riffs) on.

    In order to have 242 choruses, you need to first have a basic structure or form. You can't have a chorus, for example, without a verse.

    His description of pursuing ideas over multiple choruses, stopping them in mid-chorus, etc., sounds more akin to the thought-fragment/word association process of Fragmentism than to the variations of Jazz.

    He just liked the way that the label of "Jazz poet" sounded... much the same way that you like calling yourself a poet.

    This is a response to the post seen at:
    http://www.jlaforums.com/viewtopic.php?p=660030815#660030815



    Okay, you probably know that I don't mind being compared with Jack Kerouac.





    I wasn't comparing you to Kerouac, narcissistic Donkey.

    I was merely pointing out one of the reasons why you like him.

    It's more of a blind leading the blinder analogy than a comparison.


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  • From Will Dockery@user3274@newsgrouper.org.invalid to alt.arts.poetry.comments on Mon Jan 5 19:12:34 2026
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    mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) posted:

    Will Dockery wrote:
    mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) posted:
    Will Dockery wrote:
    Zod wrote:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico_City_Blues

    "I want to be considered a jazz poet, blowing a long blues in an afternoon jam session on Sunday. I take 242 choruses; my ideas vary and sometimes roll from chorus to chorus or from halfway through a chorus to halfway into the next." -Jack Kerouac

    Fantastic quote about the Jack Kerouac writing method, which is still used by poets to this day, for example, John Darnielle of the Mountain Goats:

    "Cold At Night" / The Mountain Goats

    ***

    More mental masturbation from Jack.

    He has no more understanding of Jazz than he has of Buddhism (Dharma), but nevertheless gets off on applying it to his poetry/lifestyle.

    I can see why he's your idol, as you're constantly doing the same thing. >>
    Jazz is based upon the concept that there are potentially infinite variations within the framework of a given song. A jazz musician explores those variations -- while *staying within the structure* of the musical piece.

    Like your own "unspeakable sh*t," Jack's poetry had no basic form for him to perform variations (riffs) on.

    In order to have 242 choruses, you need to first have a basic structure or form. You can't have a chorus, for example, without a verse.

    His description of pursuing ideas over multiple choruses, stopping them in mid-chorus, etc., sounds more akin to the thought-fragment/word association process of Fragmentism than to the variations of Jazz.

    He just liked the way that the label of "Jazz poet" sounded... much the same way that you like calling yourself a poet.

    This is a response to the post seen at:
    http://www.jlaforums.com/viewtopic.php?p=660030815#660030815

    Okay, you probably know that I don't mind being compared with Jack Kerouac.

    I wasn't comparing you to Kerouac

    Okay, thst would be high praise indeed, of course.
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  • From Will Dockery@user3274@newsgrouper.org.invalid to alt.arts.poetry.comments on Mon Jan 5 19:21:45 2026
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    mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) posted:

    Will Dockery wrote:
    mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) posted:
    Will Dockery wrote:
    Zod wrote:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico_City_Blues

    "I want to be considered a jazz poet, blowing a long blues in an afternoon jam session on Sunday. I take 242 choruses; my ideas vary and sometimes roll from chorus to chorus or from halfway through a chorus to halfway into the next." -Jack Kerouac

    Fantastic quote about the Jack Kerouac writing method, which is still used by poets to this day, for example, John Darnielle of the Mountain Goats:

    "Cold At Night" / The Mountain Goats

    ***

    More mental masturbation from Jack.

    He has no more understanding of Jazz than he has of Buddhism (Dharma), but nevertheless gets off on applying it to his poetry/lifestyle.

    I can see why he's your idol, as you're constantly doing the same thing. >>
    Jazz is based upon the concept that there are potentially infinite variations within the framework of a given song. A jazz musician explores those variations -- while *staying within the structure* of the musical piece.

    Jack's poetry had no basic form for him to perform variations (riffs) on. >>
    In order to have 242 choruses, you need to first have a basic structure or form. You can't have a chorus, for example, without a verse.

    His description of pursuing ideas over multiple choruses, stopping them in mid-chorus, etc., sounds more akin to the thought-fragment/word association process of Fragmentism than to the variations of Jazz.

    He just liked the way that the label of "Jazz poet" sounded... much the same way that you like calling yourself a poet.

    This is a response to the post seen at:
    http://www.jlaforums.com/viewtopic.php?p=660030815#660030815

    Okay, you probably know that I don't mind being compared with Jack Kerouac.

    I wasn't comparing you to Kerouac

    Okay, thst would be high praise indeed, of course, if you were

    EfyA
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  • From mpsilvertone@mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) to alt.arts.poetry.comments on Mon Jan 5 14:46:51 2026
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    Will Dockery wrote:
    mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) posted:


    Will Dockery wrote:
    mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) posted:
    Will Dockery wrote:
    Zod wrote:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico_City_Blues

    "I want to be considered a jazz poet, blowing a long blues in an afternoon jam session on Sunday. I take 242 choruses; my ideas vary and sometimes roll from chorus to chorus or from halfway through a chorus to halfway into the next." -Jack Kerouac

    Fantastic quote about the Jack Kerouac writing method, which is still used by poets to this day, for example, John Darnielle of the Mountain Goats:

    "Cold At Night" / The Mountain Goats

    ***

    More mental masturbation from Jack.

    He has no more understanding of Jazz than he has of Buddhism (Dharma), but nevertheless gets off on applying it to his poetry/lifestyle.

    I can see why he's your idol, as you're constantly doing the same thing.

    Jazz is based upon the concept that there are potentially infinite variations within the framework of a given song. A jazz musician explores those variations -- while *staying within the structure* of the musical piece.

    Jack's poetry had no basic form for him to perform variations (riffs) on.

    In order to have 242 choruses, you need to first have a basic structure or form. You can't have a chorus, for example, without a verse.

    His description of pursuing ideas over multiple choruses, stopping them in mid-chorus, etc., sounds more akin to the thought-fragment/word association process of Fragmentism than to the variations of Jazz.

    He just liked the way that the label of "Jazz poet" sounded... much the same way that you like calling yourself a poet.

    This is a response to the post seen at:
    http://www.jlaforums.com/viewtopic.php?p=660030815#660030815

    Okay, you probably know that I don't mind being compared with Jack Kerouac. >>
    I wasn't comparing you to Kerouac



    Okay, thst would be high praise indeed, of course, if you were





    Unfortunately, for you, I'm sure that it would.


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  • From Will Dockery@user3274@newsgrouper.org.invalid to alt.arts.poetry.comments on Mon Jan 5 19:59:26 2026
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    mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) posted:
    Will Dockery wrote:
    mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) posted:
    Will Dockery wrote:
    mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) posted:
    Will Dockery wrote:
    Zod wrote:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico_City_Blues

    "I want to be considered a jazz poet, blowing a long blues in an afternoon jam session on Sunday. I take 242 choruses; my ideas vary and sometimes roll from chorus to chorus or from halfway through a chorus to halfway into the next." -Jack Kerouac

    Fantastic quote about the Jack Kerouac writing method, which is still used by poets to this day, for example, John Darnielle of the Mountain Goats:

    "Cold At Night" / The Mountain Goats

    ***

    Jazz is based upon the concept that there are potentially infinite variations within the framework of a given song. A jazz musician explores those variations -- while *staying within the structure* of the musical piece.

    Jack's poetry had no basic form for him to perform variations (riffs) on. >>
    In order to have 242 choruses, you need to first have a basic structure or form. You can't have a chorus, for example, without a verse.

    His description of pursuing ideas over multiple choruses, stopping them in mid-chorus, etc., sounds more akin to the thought-fragment/word association process of Fragmentism than to the variations of Jazz.

    He just liked the way that the label of "Jazz poet" sounded... much the same way that you like calling yourself a poet.

    This is a response to the post seen at:
    http://www.jlaforums.com/viewtopic.php?p=660030815#660030815

    Okay, you probably know that I don't mind being compared with Jack Kerouac.

    I wasn't comparing you to Kerouac

    Okay, thst would be high praise indeed, of course, if you were


    Unfortunately, for you, I'm sure that it would.

    I'm aware you're not a fan of Jack Kerouac's poetry.
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  • From WillDockery@noreply@pugleaf.net.invalid to alt.arts.poetry.comments on Fri Jan 9 14:52:19 2026
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    Zod wrote:
    Will Dockery wrote:
    Zod wrote:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico_City_Blues

    "I want to be considered a jazz poet, blowing a long blues in an afternoon jam session on Sunday. I take 242 choruses; my ideas vary and sometimes roll from chorus to chorus or from halfway through a chorus to halfway into the next." -Jack Kerouac



    This method produced some spectacular poetry.

    Some of the best of all time...

    Agreed.
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  • From mpsilvertone@mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) to alt.arts.poetry.comments on Fri Jan 9 10:31:24 2026
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    WillDockery wrote:
    Zod wrote:

    Will Dockery wrote:
    Zod wrote:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico_City_Blues

    "I want to be considered a jazz poet, blowing a long blues in an afternoon jam session on Sunday. I take 242 choruses; my ideas vary and sometimes roll from chorus to chorus or from halfway through a chorus to halfway into the next." -Jack Kerouac



    This method produced some spectacular poetry.

    Some of the best of all time...



    Just because your slurp-puppet slurps your post, doesn't make magically make it true, Donkey.

    As I stated earlier:

    More mental masturbation from Jack.

    He has no more understanding of Jazz than he has of Buddhism (Dharma), but nevertheless gets off on applying it to his poetry/lifestyle.

    I can see why he's your idol, as you're constantly doing the same thing.

    Jazz is based upon the concept that there are potentially infinite variations within the framework of a given song. A jazz musician explores those variations -- while *staying within the structure* of the musical piece.

    Like your own "unspeakable sh*t," Jack's poetry had no basic form for him to perform variations (riffs) on.

    In order to have 242 choruses, you need to first have a basic structure or form. You can't have a chorus, for example, without a verse.

    His description of pursuing ideas over multiple choruses, stopping them in mid-chorus, etc., sounds more akin to the thought-fragment/word association process of Fragmentism than to the variations of Jazz.

    He just liked the way that the label of "Jazz poet" sounded... much the same way that you like calling yourself a poet.

    Agreed.


    This is a response to the post seen at: http://www.jlaforums.com/viewtopic.php?p=660030815#660030815
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  • From Will Dockery@user3274@newsgrouper.org.invalid to alt.arts.poetry.comments on Fri Jan 9 18:43:42 2026
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    mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) posted:

    Will Dockery wrote:
    Zod wrote:
    Will Dockery wrote:
    Zod wrote:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico_City_Blues

    "I want to be considered a jazz poet, blowing a long blues in an afternoon jam session on Sunday. I take 242 choruses; my ideas vary and sometimes roll from chorus to chorus or from halfway through a chorus to halfway into the next." -Jack Kerouac



    This method produced some spectacular poetry.

    Some of the best of all time...

    Just becaue
    doesn't make magically make it true, Donkey.

    Just as your whining about it doesn't make anything true, either.

    As I stated earlier:

    More mental masturbation from Jack.

    He has no more understanding of Jazz than he has of Buddhism (Dharma), but nevertheless gets off on applying it to his poetry/lifestyle.

    I can see why he's your idol, as you're constantly doing the same thing.

    Jazz is based upon the concept that there are potentially infinite variations within the framework of a given song. A jazz musician explores those variations -- while *staying within the structure* of the musical piece.

    Like your own "unspeakable sh*t," Jack's poetry had no basic form for him to perform variations (riffs) on.

    In order to have 242 choruses, you need to first have a basic structure or form. You can't have a chorus, for example, without a verse.

    His description of pursuing ideas over multiple choruses, stopping them in mid-chorus, etc., sounds more akin to the thought-fragment/word association process of Fragmentism than to the variations of Jazz.

    He just liked the way that the label of "Jazz poet" sounded... much the same way that you like calling yourself a poet.

    Agreed.

    Jack Kerouac was an avid jazz fan so I think he knew what else was talking about.

    You're a Pat Boone fan, which has far less credibility.
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  • From mpsilvertone@mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) to alt.arts.poetry.comments on Fri Jan 9 14:00:25 2026
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    Will Dockery wrote:
    mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) posted:


    Will Dockery wrote:
    Zod wrote:
    Will Dockery wrote:
    Zod wrote:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico_City_Blues

    "I want to be considered a jazz poet, blowing a long blues in an afternoon jam session on Sunday. I take 242 choruses; my ideas vary and sometimes roll from chorus to chorus or from halfway through a chorus to halfway into the next." -Jack Kerouac



    This method produced some spectacular poetry.

    Some of the best of all time...

    Just becaue
    doesn't make magically make it true, Donkey.



    Just as your whining about it doesn't make anything true, either.


    As I stated earlier:

    More mental masturbation from Jack.

    He has no more understanding of Jazz than he has of Buddhism (Dharma), but nevertheless gets off on applying it to his poetry/lifestyle.

    I can see why he's your idol, as you're constantly doing the same thing.

    Jazz is based upon the concept that there are potentially infinite variations within the framework of a given song. A jazz musician explores those variations -- while *staying within the structure* of the musical piece.

    Like your own "unspeakable sh*t," Jack's poetry had no basic form for him to perform variations (riffs) on.

    In order to have 242 choruses, you need to first have a basic structure or form. You can't have a chorus, for example, without a verse.

    His description of pursuing ideas over multiple choruses, stopping them in mid-chorus, etc., sounds more akin to the thought-fragment/word association process of Fragmentism than to the variations of Jazz.

    He just liked the way that the label of "Jazz poet" sounded... much the same way that you like calling yourself a poet.

    Agreed.



    Jack Kerouac was an avid jazz fan so I think he knew what else was talking about.

    You're a Pat Boone fan, which has far less credibility.




    I've got plenty of jazz records in my collection, Donkey.

    Kerouac couldn't write poetry, so he called himself a "jazz poet."

    You can't write three consecutive sentences, so you call yourself a "poet."

    Welcome to the wannabee world of make-believe.


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  • From Will Dockery@user3274@newsgrouper.org.invalid to alt.arts.poetry.comments on Fri Jan 9 19:11:14 2026
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    mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) posted:
    Will Dockery wrote:
    mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) posted:
    Will Dockery wrote:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico_City_Blues

    "I want to be considered a jazz poet, blowing a long blues in an afternoon jam session on Sunday. I take 242 choruses; my ideas vary and sometimes roll from chorus to chorus or from halfway through a chorus to halfway into the next." -Jack Kerouac

    This method produced some spectacular poetry.

    Some of the best of all time...

    Just becaue
    doesn't make magically make it true, Donkey.

    Just as your whining about it doesn't make anything true, either.

    As I stated earlier:

    More mental masturbation from Jack.

    He has no more understanding of Jazz than he has of Buddhism (Dharma), but nevertheless gets off on applying it to his poetry/lifestyle.

    I can see why he's your idol, as you're constantly doing the same thing. >>
    Jazz is based upon the concept that there are potentially infinite variations within the framework of a given song. A jazz musician explores those variations -- while *staying within the structure* of the musical piece.

    Like your own "unspeakable sh*t," Jack's poetry had no basic form for him to perform variations (riffs) on.

    In order to have 242 choruses, you need to first have a basic structure or form. You can't have a chorus, for example, without a verse.

    His description of pursuing ideas over multiple choruses, stopping them in mid-chorus, etc., sounds more akin to the thought-fragment/word association process of Fragmentism than to the variations of Jazz.

    He just liked the way that the label of "Jazz poet" sounded... much the same way that you like calling yourself a poet.

    Agreed.

    Jack Kerouac was an avid jazz fan so I think he knew what else was talking about.

    You're a Pat Boone fan, which has far less credibility.

    I've got plenty of jazz records in my collection

    Just because you have a few jazz records doesn't meN you understand them like Jack Kerouac did.
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  • From mpsilvertone@mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) to alt.arts.poetry.comments on Fri Jan 9 15:32:13 2026
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    Will Dockery wrote:
    mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) posted:

    Will Dockery wrote:
    mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) posted:
    Will Dockery wrote:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico_City_Blues

    "I want to be considered a jazz poet, blowing a long blues in an afternoon jam session on Sunday. I take 242 choruses; my ideas vary and sometimes roll from chorus to chorus or from halfway through a chorus to halfway into the next." -Jack Kerouac

    This method produced some spectacular poetry.

    Some of the best of all time...

    Just becaue
    doesn't make magically make it true, Donkey.

    Just as your whining about it doesn't make anything true, either.

    As I stated earlier:

    More mental masturbation from Jack.

    He has no more understanding of Jazz than he has of Buddhism (Dharma), but nevertheless gets off on applying it to his poetry/lifestyle.

    I can see why he's your idol, as you're constantly doing the same thing.

    Jazz is based upon the concept that there are potentially infinite variations within the framework of a given song. A jazz musician explores those variations -- while *staying within the structure* of the musical piece.

    Like your own "unspeakable sh*t," Jack's poetry had no basic form for him to perform variations (riffs) on.

    In order to have 242 choruses, you need to first have a basic structure or form. You can't have a chorus, for example, without a verse.

    His description of pursuing ideas over multiple choruses, stopping them in mid-chorus, etc., sounds more akin to the thought-fragment/word association process of Fragmentism than to the variations of Jazz.

    He just liked the way that the label of "Jazz poet" sounded... much the same way that you like calling yourself a poet.

    Agreed.

    Jack Kerouac was an avid jazz fan so I think he knew what else was talking about.

    You're a Pat Boone fan, which has far less credibility.

    I've got plenty of jazz records in my collection



    Just because you have a few jazz records doesn't meN you understand them like Jack Kerouac did.





    I didn't say that I had a "few" records, deceitful Donkey. I said I had "plenty." Louis Armstrong, Ella Fitzgerald, Billie Holiday, Sarah Vaughan, Julie London (complete), Chris Connor (complete), Nancy Wilson, Peggy Lee, Dinah Washington, Fats Waller (complete), Beverly Kenney (complete), June Christy, and many others.

    I also spent ten years researching music (jazz included) for my two volume music history book, "Music! Music! Music!"

    They're probably not the same jazz that Kerouac was listening to, but that's of little consequence: Jazz theory is still the same -- jazz is improvisation *within* the structural framework of a musical piece.

    Kerouac's statement keeps the improvisation, but ignores that framework -- which (if he were discussing music) would render the resulting piece abstract.

    Kerouac was using a half-understood tenet of jazz theory and forcing it to correspond to his work. Again, this is much the same as your taking half-understood definitions of poetry and forcing them to apply to your "unspeakable shit."


    This is a response to the post seen at: http://www.jlaforums.com/viewtopic.php?p=660030815#660030815
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  • From nancygene.andjayme@nancygene.andjayme@gmail-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (NancyGene) to alt.arts.poetry.comments on Fri Jan 9 16:55:28 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.arts.poetry.comments

    Will Dockery wrote:
    mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) posted:

    Will Dockery wrote:
    mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) posted:
    Will Dockery wrote:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico_City_Blues

    "I want to be considered a jazz poet, blowing a long blues in an afternoon jam session on Sunday. I take 242 choruses; my ideas vary and sometimes roll from chorus to chorus or from halfway through a chorus to halfway into the next." -Jack Kerouac

    This method produced some spectacular poetry.

    Some of the best of all time...

    Just becaue
    doesn't make magically make it true, Donkey.

    Just as your whining about it doesn't make anything true, either.

    As I stated earlier:

    More mental masturbation from Jack.

    He has no more understanding of Jazz than he has of Buddhism (Dharma), but nevertheless gets off on applying it to his poetry/lifestyle.

    I can see why he's your idol, as you're constantly doing the same thing.

    Jazz is based upon the concept that there are potentially infinite variations within the framework of a given song. A jazz musician explores those variations -- while *staying within the structure* of the musical piece.

    Like your own "unspeakable sh*t," Jack's poetry had no basic form for him to perform variations (riffs) on.

    In order to have 242 choruses, you need to first have a basic structure or form. You can't have a chorus, for example, without a verse.

    His description of pursuing ideas over multiple choruses, stopping them in mid-chorus, etc., sounds more akin to the thought-fragment/word association process of Fragmentism than to the variations of Jazz.

    He just liked the way that the label of "Jazz poet" sounded... much the same way that you like calling yourself a poet.

    Agreed.

    Jack Kerouac was an avid jazz fan so I think he knew what else was talking about.

    You're a Pat Boone fan, which has far less credibility.

    I've got plenty of jazz records in my collection



    Just because you have a few jazz records doesn't meN you understand them like Jack Kerouac did.



    Drunk posting! Or, Will Donkey is thinking about MEN again (is Jordy's Uncle not man enough for him?).


    This is a response to the post seen at: http://www.jlaforums.com/viewtopic.php?p=660030815#660030815
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  • From Cujo DeSockpuppet@cujo@petitmorte.net to alt.arts.poetry.comments on Fri Jan 9 22:09:35 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.arts.poetry.comments

    mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) wrote in news:G7ycneRm3Z2p-vz0nZ2dnZfqnPednZ2d@giganews.com:

    Will Dockery wrote:
    mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) posted:

    Will Dockery wrote:
    mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) posted:
    Will Dockery wrote:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico_City_Blues

    "I want to be considered a jazz poet, blowing a long blues in an
    afternoon jam session on Sunday. I take 242 choruses; my ideas vary
    and sometimes roll from chorus to chorus or from halfway through a
    chorus to halfway into the next." -Jack Kerouac

    This method produced some spectacular poetry.

    Some of the best of all time...

    Just becaue
    doesn't make magically make it true, Donkey.

    Just as your whining about it doesn't make anything true, either.

    As I stated earlier:

    More mental masturbation from Jack.

    He has no more understanding of Jazz than he has of Buddhism
    (Dharma), but nevertheless gets off on applying it to his
    poetry/lifestyle.

    I can see why he's your idol, as you're constantly doing the same
    thing.

    Jazz is based upon the concept that there are potentially infinite
    variations within the framework of a given song. A jazz musician
    explores those variations -- while *staying within the structure* of
    the musical piece.

    Like your own "unspeakable sh*t," Jack's poetry had no basic form
    for him to perform variations (riffs) on.

    In order to have 242 choruses, you need to first have a basic
    structure or form. You can't have a chorus, for example, without a
    verse.

    His description of pursuing ideas over multiple choruses, stopping
    them in mid-chorus, etc., sounds more akin to the
    thought-fragment/word association process of Fragmentism than to the
    variations of Jazz.

    He just liked the way that the label of "Jazz poet" sounded... much
    the same way that you like calling yourself a poet.

    Agreed.

    Jack Kerouac was an avid jazz fan so I think he knew what else was
    talking about.

    You're a Pat Boone fan, which has far less credibility.

    I've got plenty of jazz records in my collection



    Just because you have a few jazz records doesn't meN you understand
    them like Jack Kerouac did.


    I didn't say that I had a "few" records, deceitful Donkey. I said I
    had "plenty." Louis Armstrong, Ella Fitzgerald, Billie Holiday, Sarah Vaughan, Julie London (complete), Chris Connor (complete), Nancy
    Wilson, Peggy Lee, Dinah Washington, Fats Waller (complete), Beverly
    Kenney (complete), June Christy, and many others.

    Chris Connor? I am impressed.

    I also spent ten years researching music (jazz included) for my two
    volume music history book, "Music! Music! Music!"

    They're probably not the same jazz that Kerouac was listening to, but
    that's of little consequence: Jazz theory is still the same -- jazz is improvisation *within* the structural framework of a musical piece.

    It's also about incorporating elements and instruments of other genres.

    One day, Little Willie Douchebag might try using English, coherence and complete thoughts. Don't get your hopes up or nothing.

    Kerouac's statement keeps the improvisation, but ignores that
    framework -- which (if he were discussing music) would render the
    resulting piece abstract.

    Kerouac was using a half-understood tenet of jazz theory and forcing
    it to correspond to his work. Again, this is much the same as your
    taking half-understood definitions of poetry and forcing them to apply
    to your "unspeakable shit."

    The "free form", "beat" and "bebop" elements likely appealed to someone constantly on substances and mooching from everyone else. That's Jack.

    It's pretty telling that the ones Dreckweasel mentions most are drug
    abusers and drunks. (Just like George, The Town Drunk, what a
    coincidence!)

    No wonder Dreckery gravitates toward them. It justifies his wasted life.
    --
    "The fact that it doesn't apply to the poem is of little consequence to
    you, because your poems don't have a literary basis, because you're functionally illiterate and haven't got a clue as to what a poem is." -
    Little Willie Douchebag gets another asskicking from Pendragon
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  • From Cujo DeSockpuppet@cujo@petitmorte.net to alt.arts.poetry.comments on Fri Jan 9 22:12:42 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.arts.poetry.comments

    nancygene.andjayme@gmail-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (NancyGene) wrote in news:7LKdnWEpUu-T5vz0nZ2dnZfqn_ednZ2d@giganews.com:

    Will Dockery wrote:
    mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) posted:

    Will Dockery wrote:
    mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) posted:
    Will Dockery wrote:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico_City_Blues

    "I want to be considered a jazz poet, blowing a long blues in an
    afternoon jam session on Sunday. I take 242 choruses; my ideas vary
    and sometimes roll from chorus to chorus or from halfway through a
    chorus to halfway into the next." -Jack Kerouac

    This method produced some spectacular poetry.

    Some of the best of all time...

    Just becaue
    doesn't make magically make it true, Donkey.

    Just as your whining about it doesn't make anything true, either.

    As I stated earlier:

    More mental masturbation from Jack.

    He has no more understanding of Jazz than he has of Buddhism
    (Dharma), but nevertheless gets off on applying it to his
    poetry/lifestyle.

    I can see why he's your idol, as you're constantly doing the same
    thing.

    Jazz is based upon the concept that there are potentially infinite
    variations within the framework of a given song. A jazz musician
    explores those variations -- while *staying within the structure* of
    the musical piece.

    Like your own "unspeakable sh*t," Jack's poetry had no basic form
    for him to perform variations (riffs) on.

    In order to have 242 choruses, you need to first have a basic
    structure or form. You can't have a chorus, for example, without a
    verse.

    His description of pursuing ideas over multiple choruses, stopping
    them in mid-chorus, etc., sounds more akin to the
    thought-fragment/word association process of Fragmentism than to the
    variations of Jazz.

    He just liked the way that the label of "Jazz poet" sounded... much
    the same way that you like calling yourself a poet.

    Agreed.

    Jack Kerouac was an avid jazz fan so I think he knew what else was
    talking about.

    You're a Pat Boone fan, which has far less credibility.

    I've got plenty of jazz records in my collection



    Just because you have a few jazz records doesn't meN you understand
    them like Jack Kerouac did.



    Drunk posting! Or, Will Donkey is thinking about MEN again (is
    Jordy's Uncle not man enough for him?).

    I think they're pretty fluid when it comes to gender and species down
    that way.
    --
    "The fact that it doesn't apply to the poem is of little consequence to
    you, because your poems don't have a literary basis, because you're functionally illiterate and haven't got a clue as to what a poem is." -
    Little Willie Douchebag gets another asskicking from Pendragon
    --- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Will Dockery@user3274@newsgrouper.org.invalid to alt.arts.poetry.comments on Sat Jan 10 00:05:33 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.arts.poetry.comments


    nancygene.andjayme@gmail-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (NancyGene) wrote in
    news:7LKdnWEpUu-T5vz0nZ2dnZfqn_ednZ2d@giganews.com:
    Will Dockery wrote:
    mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) posted:
    Will Dockery wrote:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico_City_Blues

    "I want to be considered a jazz poet, blowing a long blues in an
    afternoon jam session on Sunday. I take 242 choruses; my ideas vary
    and sometimes roll from chorus to chorus or from halfway through a
    chorus to halfway into the next." -Jack Kerouac

    This method produced some spectacular poetry.

    Some of the best of all time...

    Just becaue
    doesn't make magically make it true, Donkey.

    Just as your whining about it doesn't make anything true, either.

    As I stated earlier:

    More mental masturbation from Jack.

    He has no more understanding of Jazz than he has of Buddhism
    (Dharma), but nevertheless gets off on applying it to his
    poetry/lifestyle.

    I can see why he's your idol, as you're constantly doing the same
    thing.

    Jazz is based upon the concept that there are potentially infinite
    variations within the framework of a given song. A jazz musician
    explores those variations -- while *staying within the structure* of
    the musical piece.

    Like your own "unspeakable sh*t," Jack's poetry had no basic form
    for him to perform variations (riffs) on.

    In order to have 242 choruses, you need to first have a basic
    structure or form. You can't have a chorus, for example, without a
    verse.

    His description of pursuing ideas over multiple choruses, stopping
    them in mid-chorus, etc., sounds more akin to the
    thought-fragment/word association process of Fragmentism than to the
    variations of Jazz.


    Jack Kerouac was an avid jazz fan so I think he knew what else was
    talking about.

    You're a Pat Boone fan, which has far less credibility.

    I've got plenty of jazz records in my collection.

    Just because you have a few jazz records doesn't mean you understand
    them like Jack Kerouac did.

    (Typo corrected.)

    Drunk posting

    Just a typo, now corrected.

    EfyA
    --
    Poetry and songs of Will Dockery:
    https://www.reverbnation.com/willdockery
    --- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Cujo DeSockpuppet@cujo@petitmorte.net to alt.arts.poetry.comments on Sat Jan 10 01:08:26 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.arts.poetry.comments

    Will Dockery <user3274@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote in news:1768003533-3274@newsgrouper.org:


    nancygene.andjayme@gmail-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (NancyGene) wrote in
    news:7LKdnWEpUu-T5vz0nZ2dnZfqn_ednZ2d@giganews.com:
    Will Dockery wrote:
    mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) posted:
    Will Dockery wrote:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico_City_Blues

    "I want to be considered a jazz poet, blowing a long blues in an
    afternoon jam session on Sunday. I take 242 choruses; my ideas
    vary and sometimes roll from chorus to chorus or from halfway
    through a chorus to halfway into the next." -Jack Kerouac

    This method produced some spectacular poetry.

    Some of the best of all time...

    Just becaue
    doesn't make magically make it true, Donkey.

    Just as your whining about it doesn't make anything true, either.

    As I stated earlier:

    More mental masturbation from Jack.

    He has no more understanding of Jazz than he has of Buddhism
    (Dharma), but nevertheless gets off on applying it to his
    poetry/lifestyle.

    I can see why he's your idol, as you're constantly doing the same
    thing.

    Jazz is based upon the concept that there are potentially
    infinite variations within the framework of a given song. A jazz
    musician explores those variations -- while *staying within the
    structure* of the musical piece.

    Like your own "unspeakable sh*t," Jack's poetry had no basic form
    for him to perform variations (riffs) on.

    In order to have 242 choruses, you need to first have a basic
    structure or form. You can't have a chorus, for example, without
    a verse.

    His description of pursuing ideas over multiple choruses,
    stopping them in mid-chorus, etc., sounds more akin to the
    thought-fragment/word association process of Fragmentism than to
    the variations of Jazz.


    Jack Kerouac was an avid jazz fan so I think he knew what else
    was talking about.

    You're a Pat Boone fan, which has far less credibility.

    I've got plenty of jazz records in my collection.

    Just because you have a few jazz records doesn't meN you understand
    them like Jack Kerouac did.

    (Typo corrected.)

    Drunk posting! Or, Will Donkey is thinking about MEN again (is
    Jordy's Uncle not man enough for him?).

    Just a typo, now corrected.

    I put it back, Douchebag. Along with her reply that you snipped.

    Why are you so stupid?
    --
    "The fact that it doesn't apply to the poem is of little consequence to
    you, because your poems don't have a literary basis, because you're functionally illiterate and haven't got a clue as to what a poem is." -
    Little Willie Douchebag gets another asskicking from Pendragon
    --- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Will Dockery@user3274@newsgrouper.org.invalid to alt.arts.poetry.comments on Sat Jan 10 06:01:24 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.arts.poetry.comments


    Cujo DeSockpuppet <cujo@petitmorte.net> posted:

    Will Dockery wrote:
    mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) posted:
    Will Dockery wrote:
    mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) posted:
    Will Dockery wrote:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico_City_Blues

    "I want to be considered a jazz poet, blowing a long blues in an
    afternoon jam session on Sunday. I take 242 choruses; my ideas vary
    and sometimes roll from chorus to chorus or from halfway through a
    chorus to halfway into the next." -Jack Kerouac

    This method produced some spectacular poetry.

    Some of the best of all time...

    Just becaue
    doesn't make magically make it true, Donkey.

    Just as your whining about it doesn't make anything true, either.

    As I stated earlier:

    More mental masturbation from Jack.

    He has no more understanding of Jazz than he has of Buddhism
    (Dharma), but nevertheless gets off on applying it to his
    poetry/lifestyle.

    I can see why he's your idol, as you're constantly doing the same
    thing.

    Jazz is based upon the concept that there are potentially infinite
    variations within the framework of a given song. A jazz musician
    explores those variations -- while *staying within the structure* of
    the musical piece.

    Like your own "unspeakable sh*t," Jack's poetry had no basic form
    for him to perform variations (riffs) on.

    In order to have 242 choruses, you need to first have a basic
    structure or form. You can't have a chorus, for example, without a
    verse.

    His description of pursuing ideas over multiple choruses, stopping
    them in mid-chorus, etc., sounds more akin to the
    thought-fragment/word association process of Fragmentism than to the
    variations of Jazz.

    He just liked the way that the label of "Jazz poet" sounded... much
    the same way that you like calling yourself a poet.

    Agreed.

    Jack Kerouac was an avid jazz fan so I think he knew what else was
    talking about.

    You're a Pat Boone fan, which has far less credibility.

    I've got plenty of jazz records in my collection

    Just because you have a few jazz records doesn't mean you understand
    them like Jack Kerouac did.

    I think xxxxxxxxxx xxxxx xxxxxxxxxx xxxxx

    You also obsess, lie and misrepresent, Kevin Fries.

    EfyA
    --
    Poetry and songs of Will Dockery:
    https://www.reverbnation.com/willdockery
    --- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Will Dockery@user3274@newsgrouper.org.invalid to alt.arts.poetry.comments on Sat Jan 10 06:33:48 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.arts.poetry.comments


    Cujo DeSockpuppet <cujo@petitmorte.net> posted:

    Will Dockery <user3274@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote in news:1768003533-3274@newsgrouper.org:
    mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) posted:
    Will Dockery wrote:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico_City_Blues

    "I want to be considered a jazz poet, blowing a long blues in an
    afternoon jam session on Sunday. I take 242 choruses; my ideas
    vary and sometimes roll from chorus to chorus or from halfway
    through a chorus to halfway into the next." -Jack Kerouac

    This method produced some spectacular poetry.

    Some of the best of all time...

    Just becaue
    doesn't make magically make it true, Donkey.

    Just as your whining about it doesn't make anything true, either.

    As I stated earlier:

    More mental masturbation from Jack.

    He has no more understanding of Jazz than he has of Buddhism
    (Dharma), but nevertheless gets off on applying it to his
    poetry/lifestyle.

    I can see why he's your idol, as you're constantly doing the same
    thing.

    Jazz is based upon the concept that there are potentially
    infinite variations within the framework of a given song. A jazz
    musician explores those variations -- while *staying within the
    structure* of the musical piece.

    Like your own "unspeakable sh*t," Jack's poetry had no basic form
    for him to perform variations (riffs) on.

    In order to have 242 choruses, you need to first have a basic
    structure or form. You can't have a chorus, for example, without
    a verse.

    His description of pursuing ideas over multiple choruses,
    stopping them in mid-chorus, etc., sounds more akin to the
    thought-fragment/word association process of Fragmentism than to
    the variations of Jazz.

    Jack Kerouac was an avid jazz fan so I think he knew what else
    was talking about.

    You're a Pat Boone fan, which has far less credibility.

    I've got plenty of jazz records in my collection.

    Just because you have a few jazz records doesn't mean you understand
    them like Jack Kerouac did.

    (Typo corrected.)

    Just a typo, now corrected.

    I put it back

    The typo was corrected, troll.
    --
    Poetry and songs of Will Dockery:
    https://www.reverbnation.com/willdockery
    --- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Cujo DeSockpuppet@cujo@petitmorte.net to alt.arts.poetry.comments on Sat Jan 10 15:24:06 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.arts.poetry.comments

    Will Dockery <user3274@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote in news:1768024884-3274@newsgrouper.org:


    Cujo DeSockpuppet <cujo@petitmorte.net> posted:

    Will Dockery wrote:
    mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) posted:
    Will Dockery wrote:
    mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) posted:
    Will Dockery wrote:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico_City_Blues

    "I want to be considered a jazz poet, blowing a long blues in an
    afternoon jam session on Sunday. I take 242 choruses; my ideas
    vary and sometimes roll from chorus to chorus or from halfway
    through a chorus to halfway into the next." -Jack Kerouac

    This method produced some spectacular poetry.

    Some of the best of all time...

    Just becaue
    doesn't make magically make it true, Donkey.

    Just as your whining about it doesn't make anything true, either.

    As I stated earlier:

    More mental masturbation from Jack.

    He has no more understanding of Jazz than he has of Buddhism
    (Dharma), but nevertheless gets off on applying it to his
    poetry/lifestyle.

    I can see why he's your idol, as you're constantly doing the same
    thing.

    Jazz is based upon the concept that there are potentially
    infinite variations within the framework of a given song. A jazz
    musician explores those variations -- while *staying within the
    structure* of the musical piece.

    Like your own "unspeakable sh*t," Jack's poetry had no basic form
    for him to perform variations (riffs) on.

    In order to have 242 choruses, you need to first have a basic
    structure or form. You can't have a chorus, for example, without
    a verse.

    His description of pursuing ideas over multiple choruses,
    stopping them in mid-chorus, etc., sounds more akin to the
    thought-fragment/word association process of Fragmentism than to
    the variations of Jazz.

    He just liked the way that the label of "Jazz poet" sounded...
    much the same way that you like calling yourself a poet.

    Agreed.

    Jack Kerouac was an avid jazz fan so I think he knew what else
    was talking about.

    You're a Pat Boone fan, which has far less credibility.

    I've got plenty of jazz records in my collection

    Just because you have a few jazz records doesn't mean you
    understand them like Jack Kerouac did.

    I think they're pretty fluid when it comes to gender and species down
    that way.

    You also obsess, lie and misrepresent, Kevin Fries.

    You're the proven stalker and liar, you change people's words to "misrepresent" what they say and you're a douchebag, douchebag.

    Projection noted.
    --
    "The fact that it doesn't apply to the poem is of little consequence to
    you, because your poems don't have a literary basis, because you're functionally illiterate and haven't got a clue as to what a poem is." -
    Little Willie Douchebag gets another asskicking from Pendragon
    --- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Will Dockery@user3274@newsgrouper.org.invalid to alt.arts.poetry.comments on Sat Jan 10 20:44:36 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.arts.poetry.comments


    Cujo DeSockpuppet <cujo@petitmorte.net> posted:
    Will Dockery <user3274@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote in news:1768024884-3274@newsgrouper.org:
    mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) posted:
    Will Dockery wrote:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico_City_Blues

    "I want to be considered a jazz poet, blowing a long blues in an
    afternoon jam session on Sunday. I take 242 choruses; my ideas
    vary and sometimes roll from chorus to chorus or from halfway
    through a chorus to halfway into the next." -Jack Kerouac

    This method produced some spectacular poetry.

    Some of the best of all time...

    Jazz is based upon the concept that there are potentially
    infinite variations within the framework of a given song. A jazz
    musician explores those variations -- while *staying within the
    structure* of the musical piece.

    In order to have 242 choruses, you need to first have a basic
    structure or form. You can't have a chorus, for example, without
    a verse.

    His description of pursuing ideas over multiple choruses,
    stopping them in mid-chorus, etc., sounds more akin to the
    thought-fragment/word association process of Fragmentism than to
    the variations of Jazz.

    Jack Kerouac was an avid jazz fan so I think he knew what else
    was talking about.

    You're a Pat Boone fan, which has far less credibility.

    I've got plenty of jazz records in my collection

    Just because you have a few jazz records doesn't mean you
    understand them like Jack Kerouac did.

    I think xxxxxxxxxx xxxxx xxxxx
    You also obsess, lie and misrepresent, Kevin Fries.

    You're the proven stalker

    Not really, that's a misrepresentation, Kevin.

    Your friend NancyGene is a proven, malicious stalker of multiple people including my friends and family.

    You yourself have threatened to stalk me and my family, Kevin Fries.


    That's apparently okay with you, though, Kevin.
    --
    Poetry and songs of Will Dockery:
    https://www.reverbnation.com/willdockery
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  • From Cujo DeSockpuppet@cujo@petitmorte.net to alt.arts.poetry.comments on Sat Jan 10 22:01:45 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.arts.poetry.comments

    Will Dockery <user3274@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote in news:1768077876-3274@newsgrouper.org:


    Cujo DeSockpuppet <cujo@petitmorte.net> posted:
    Will Dockery <user3274@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote in
    news:1768024884-3274@newsgrouper.org:
    mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) posted:
    Will Dockery wrote:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico_City_Blues

    "I want to be considered a jazz poet, blowing a long blues in
    an afternoon jam session on Sunday. I take 242 choruses; my
    ideas vary and sometimes roll from chorus to chorus or from
    halfway through a chorus to halfway into the next." -Jack
    Kerouac

    This method produced some spectacular poetry.

    Some of the best of all time...

    Jazz is based upon the concept that there are potentially
    infinite variations within the framework of a given song. A
    jazz musician explores those variations -- while *staying
    within the structure* of the musical piece.

    In order to have 242 choruses, you need to first have a basic
    structure or form. You can't have a chorus, for example,
    without a verse.

    His description of pursuing ideas over multiple choruses,
    stopping them in mid-chorus, etc., sounds more akin to the
    thought-fragment/word association process of Fragmentism than
    to the variations of Jazz.

    Jack Kerouac was an avid jazz fan so I think he knew what else
    was talking about.

    You're a Pat Boone fan, which has far less credibility.

    I've got plenty of jazz records in my collection

    Just because you have a few jazz records doesn't mean you
    understand them like Jack Kerouac did.

    I think they're pretty fluid when it comes to gender and species
    down that way.
    You also obsess, lie and misrepresent, Kevin Fries.

    You're the proven stalker and liar, you change people's words to "misrepresent" what they say and you're a douchebag, douchebag.

    Projection noted.

    Not really, that's a misrepresentation, Kevin.

    You snipped out my words to misrepresent what I've said repeatedly,
    Douchebag.

    Your friend NancyGene is a proven, malicious stalker of multiple
    people including my friends and family.

    Where's your proof?

    You yourself have threatened to stalk me and my family, Kevin Fries.

    I asked if you wanted me to contact them to disprove one of your many
    lies, Douchebag.

    That's apparently okay with you, though, Kevin.

    It was perfectly fine to stalk me, Douchebag?

    You lose again.
    --
    "The fact that it doesn't apply to the poem is of little consequence to
    you, because your poems don't have a literary basis, because you're functionally illiterate and haven't got a clue as to what a poem is." -
    Little Willie Douchebag gets another asskicking from Pendragon
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  • From mpsilvertone@mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) to alt.arts.poetry.comments on Sun Jan 11 00:12:47 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.arts.poetry.comments

    NancyGene wrote:

    Will Dockery wrote:
    mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) posted:

    Will Dockery wrote:
    mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) posted:
    Will Dockery wrote:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico_City_Blues

    "I want to be considered a jazz poet, blowing a long blues in an afternoon jam session on Sunday. I take 242 choruses; my ideas vary and sometimes roll from chorus to chorus or from halfway through a chorus to halfway into the next." -Jack Kerouac

    This method produced some spectacular poetry.

    Some of the best of all time...

    Just becaue
    doesn't make magically make it true, Donkey.

    Just as your whining about it doesn't make anything true, either.

    As I stated earlier:

    More mental masturbation from Jack.

    He has no more understanding of Jazz than he has of Buddhism (Dharma), but nevertheless gets off on applying it to his poetry/lifestyle.

    I can see why he's your idol, as you're constantly doing the same thing. >>>
    Jazz is based upon the concept that there are potentially infinite variations within the framework of a given song. A jazz musician explores those variations -- while *staying within the structure* of the musical piece.

    Like your own "unspeakable sh*t," Jack's poetry had no basic form for him to perform variations (riffs) on.

    In order to have 242 choruses, you need to first have a basic structure or form. You can't have a chorus, for example, without a verse.

    His description of pursuing ideas over multiple choruses, stopping them in mid-chorus, etc., sounds more akin to the thought-fragment/word association process of Fragmentism than to the variations of Jazz.

    He just liked the way that the label of "Jazz poet" sounded... much the same way that you like calling yourself a poet.

    Agreed.

    Jack Kerouac was an avid jazz fan so I think he knew what else was talking about.

    You're a Pat Boone fan, which has far less credibility.

    I've got plenty of jazz records in my collection



    Just because you have a few jazz records doesn't meN you understand them like Jack Kerouac did.


    Drunk posting! Or, Will Donkey is thinking about MEN again (is Jordy's Uncle not man enough for him?).



    I don't think anyone has ever considered Jordy's emoji-pooping Uncle to be manly.


    This is a response to the post seen at: http://www.jlaforums.com/viewtopic.php?p=660030815#660030815
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  • From nancygene.andjayme@nancygene.andjayme@gmail-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (NancyGene) to alt.arts.poetry.comments on Sun Jan 11 10:16:44 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.arts.poetry.comments

    HarryLime wrote:

    NancyGene wrote:

    Will Dockery wrote:
    mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) posted:

    Will Dockery wrote:
    mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) posted:
    Will Dockery wrote:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico_City_Blues

    "I want to be considered a jazz poet, blowing a long blues in an afternoon jam session on Sunday. I take 242 choruses; my ideas vary and sometimes roll from chorus to chorus or from halfway through a chorus to halfway into the next." -Jack Kerouac

    This method produced some spectacular poetry.

    Some of the best of all time...

    Just becaue
    doesn't make magically make it true, Donkey.

    Just as your whining about it doesn't make anything true, either.

    As I stated earlier:

    More mental masturbation from Jack.

    He has no more understanding of Jazz than he has of Buddhism (Dharma), but nevertheless gets off on applying it to his poetry/lifestyle.

    I can see why he's your idol, as you're constantly doing the same thing. >>>>
    Jazz is based upon the concept that there are potentially infinite variations within the framework of a given song. A jazz musician explores those variations -- while *staying within the structure* of the musical piece.

    Like your own "unspeakable sh*t," Jack's poetry had no basic form for him to perform variations (riffs) on.

    In order to have 242 choruses, you need to first have a basic structure or form. You can't have a chorus, for example, without a verse.

    His description of pursuing ideas over multiple choruses, stopping them in mid-chorus, etc., sounds more akin to the thought-fragment/word association process of Fragmentism than to the variations of Jazz.

    He just liked the way that the label of "Jazz poet" sounded... much the same way that you like calling yourself a poet.

    Agreed.

    Jack Kerouac was an avid jazz fan so I think he knew what else was talking about.

    You're a Pat Boone fan, which has far less credibility.

    I've got plenty of jazz records in my collection



    Just because you have a few jazz records doesn't meN you understand them like Jack Kerouac did.


    Drunk posting! Or, Will Donkey is thinking about MEN again (is Jordy's Uncle not man enough for him?).


    I don't think anyone has ever considered Jordy's emoji-pooping Uncle to be manly.



    Is there a question mark in the M/F/X category on Uncle Jordy's drivers license?


    This is a response to the post seen at: http://www.jlaforums.com/viewtopic.php?p=660030815#660030815
    --- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Will Dockery@user3274@newsgrouper.org.invalid to alt.arts.poetry.comments on Sun Jan 11 15:53:09 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.arts.poetry.comments


    nancygene.andjayme@gmail-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (NancyGene) posted:

    Will Dockery wrote:
    mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) posted:
    Will Dockery wrote:
    mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) posted:
    Will Dockery wrote:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico_City_Blues

    "I want to be considered a jazz poet, blowing a long blues in an afternoon jam session on Sunday. I take 242 choruses; my ideas vary and sometimes roll from chorus to chorus or from halfway through a chorus to halfway into the next." -Jack Kerouac

    This method produced some spectacular poetry.

    Some of the best of all time...

    Just becaue
    doesn't make magically make it true, Donkey.

    Just as your whining about it doesn't make anything true, either.

    As I stated earlier:

    More mental masturbation from Jack.

    He has no more understanding of Jazz than he has of Buddhism (Dharma), but nevertheless gets off on applying it to his poetry/lifestyle.

    I can see why he's your idol, as you're constantly doing the same thing. >>>>
    Jazz is based upon the concept that there are potentially infinite variations within the framework of a given song. A jazz musician explores those variations -- while *staying within the structure* of the musical piece.

    Like your own "unspeakable sh*t," Jack's poetry had no basic form for him to perform variations (riffs) on.

    In order to have 242 choruses, you need to first have a basic structure or form. You can't have a chorus, for example, without a verse.

    His description of pursuing ideas over multiple choruses, stopping them in mid-chorus, etc., sounds more akin to the thought-fragment/word association process of Fragmentism than to the variations of Jazz.

    He just liked the way that the label of "Jazz poet" sounded... much the same way that you like calling yourself a poet.

    Agreed.

    Jack Kerouac was an avid jazz fan so I think he knew what else was talking about.

    You're a Pat Boone fan, which has far less credibility.

    I've got plenty of jazz records in my collection.

    I have quite a few jazz records in mine as well if that counts.

    [...]

    Is there a question mark in the M/F/X category

    Look who's talking, NancyGene an anonymous troll who claims to be female.

    EfyA
    --
    Poetry and songs of Will Dockery:
    https://www.reverbnation.com/willdockery
    --- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Will Dockery@user3274@newsgrouper.org.invalid to alt.arts.poetry.comments on Sun Jan 11 15:53:12 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.arts.poetry.comments


    nancygene.andjayme@gmail-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (NancyGene) posted:

    Will Dockery wrote:
    mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) posted:
    Will Dockery wrote:
    mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) posted:
    Will Dockery wrote:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico_City_Blues

    "I want to be considered a jazz poet, blowing a long blues in an afternoon jam session on Sunday. I take 242 choruses; my ideas vary and sometimes roll from chorus to chorus or from halfway through a chorus to halfway into the next." -Jack Kerouac

    This method produced some spectacular poetry.

    Some of the best of all time...

    Just becaue
    doesn't make magically make it true, Donkey.

    Just as your whining about it doesn't make anything true, either.

    As I stated earlier:

    More mental masturbation from Jack.

    He has no more understanding of Jazz than he has of Buddhism (Dharma), but nevertheless gets off on applying it to his poetry/lifestyle.

    I can see why he's your idol, as you're constantly doing the same thing. >>>>
    Jazz is based upon the concept that there are potentially infinite variations within the framework of a given song. A jazz musician explores those variations -- while *staying within the structure* of the musical piece.

    Like your own "unspeakable sh*t," Jack's poetry had no basic form for him to perform variations (riffs) on.

    In order to have 242 choruses, you need to first have a basic structure or form. You can't have a chorus, for example, without a verse.

    His description of pursuing ideas over multiple choruses, stopping them in mid-chorus, etc., sounds more akin to the thought-fragment/word association process of Fragmentism than to the variations of Jazz.

    He just liked the way that the label of "Jazz poet" sounded... much the same way that you like calling yourself a poet.

    Agreed.

    Jack Kerouac was an avid jazz fan so I think he knew what else was talking about.

    You're a Pat Boone fan, which has far less credibility.

    I've got plenty of jazz records in my collection.

    I have quite a few jazz records in mine as well if that counts.

    [...]

    Is there a question mark in the M/F/X category

    Look who's talking, NancyGene an anonymous troll who claims to be female.

    EfyA
    --
    Poetry and songs of Will Dockery:
    https://www.reverbnation.com/willdockery
    --- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Cujo DeSockpuppet@cujo@petitmorte.net to alt.arts.poetry.comments on Sun Jan 11 16:18:06 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.arts.poetry.comments

    Will Dockery <user3274@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote in news:1768146792-3274@newsgrouper.org:


    nancygene.andjayme@gmail-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (NancyGene) posted:

    Will Dockery wrote:
    mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) posted:
    Will Dockery wrote:
    mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) posted:
    Will Dockery wrote:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico_City_Blues

    "I want to be considered a jazz poet, blowing a long blues in an
    afternoon jam session on Sunday. I take 242 choruses; my ideas
    vary and sometimes roll from chorus to chorus or from halfway
    through a chorus to halfway into the next." -Jack Kerouac

    This method produced some spectacular poetry.

    Some of the best of all time...

    Just becaue
    doesn't make magically make it true, Donkey.

    Just as your whining about it doesn't make anything true,
    either.

    As I stated earlier:

    More mental masturbation from Jack.

    He has no more understanding of Jazz than he has of Buddhism
    (Dharma), but nevertheless gets off on applying it to his
    poetry/lifestyle.

    I can see why he's your idol, as you're constantly doing the
    same thing.

    Jazz is based upon the concept that there are potentially
    infinite variations within the framework of a given song. A jazz
    musician explores those variations -- while *staying within the
    structure* of the musical piece.

    Like your own "unspeakable sh*t," Jack's poetry had no basic
    form for him to perform variations (riffs) on.

    In order to have 242 choruses, you need to first have a basic
    structure or form. You can't have a chorus, for example, without
    a verse.

    His description of pursuing ideas over multiple choruses,
    stopping them in mid-chorus, etc., sounds more akin to the
    thought-fragment/word association process of Fragmentism than to
    the variations of Jazz.

    He just liked the way that the label of "Jazz poet" sounded...
    much the same way that you like calling yourself a poet.

    Agreed.

    Jack Kerouac was an avid jazz fan so I think he knew what else
    was talking about.

    You're a Pat Boone fan, which has far less credibility.

    I've got plenty of jazz records in my collection.

    I have quite a few jazz records in mine as well if that counts.

    [...]

    Is there a question mark in the M/F/X category

    Look who's talking, NancyGene an anonymous troll who claims to be
    female.

    Big deal, you claim to be a poet, musician and talented. Even if NG turns
    out not to be female[1], you're at least two up on the "what you're not" category. Douchebags are also checking the boxes for "inbred" and "not
    human" so that's at least 4 points and almost certainly 5 points!

    You lose again, Douchebag!

    [1] Just how fucking stupid are you, Douchebag?
    --
    "The fact that it doesn't apply to the poem is of little consequence to
    you, because your poems don't have a literary basis, because you're functionally illiterate and haven't got a clue as to what a poem is." -
    Little Willie Douchebag gets another asskicking from Pendragon
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  • From Will Dockery@user3274@newsgrouper.org.invalid to alt.arts.poetry.comments on Sun Jan 11 16:58:10 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.arts.poetry.comments


    Cujo DeSockpuppet <cujo@petitmorte.net> posted:

    Will Dockery <user3274@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote in news:1768146792-3274@newsgrouper.org:
    mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) posted:
    Will Dockery wrote:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico_City_Blues

    "I want to be considered a jazz poet, blowing a long blues in an
    afternoon jam session on Sunday. I take 242 choruses; my ideas
    vary and sometimes roll from chorus to chorus or from halfway
    through a chorus to halfway into the next." -Jack Kerouac

    Jack Kerouac was an avid jazz fan so I think he knew what else
    was talking about.

    You're a Pat Boone fan, which has far less credibility.

    I've got plenty of jazz records in my collection.

    I have quite a few jazz records in mine as well if that counts.

    [...]

    you claim to be a poet, musician

    That's correct.

    Click the link below for examples.
    --
    Poetry and songs of Will Dockery:
    https://www.reverbnation.com/willdockery
    --- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From nancygene.andjayme@nancygene.andjayme@gmail-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (NancyGene) to alt.arts.poetry.comments on Sun Jan 11 12:00:11 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.arts.poetry.comments

    NancyGene wrote:

    HarryLime wrote:

    NancyGene wrote:

    Will Dockery wrote:
    mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) posted:

    Will Dockery wrote:
    mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) posted:
    Will Dockery wrote:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico_City_Blues

    "I want to be considered a jazz poet, blowing a long blues in an afternoon jam session on Sunday. I take 242 choruses; my ideas vary and sometimes roll from chorus to chorus or from halfway through a chorus to halfway into the next." -Jack Kerouac

    This method produced some spectacular poetry.

    Some of the best of all time...

    Just becaue
    doesn't make magically make it true, Donkey.

    Just as your whining about it doesn't make anything true, either.

    As I stated earlier:

    More mental masturbation from Jack.

    He has no more understanding of Jazz than he has of Buddhism (Dharma), but nevertheless gets off on applying it to his poetry/lifestyle.

    I can see why he's your idol, as you're constantly doing the same thing. >>>>>
    Jazz is based upon the concept that there are potentially infinite variations within the framework of a given song. A jazz musician explores those variations -- while *staying within the structure* of the musical piece.

    Like your own "unspeakable sh*t," Jack's poetry had no basic form for him to perform variations (riffs) on.

    In order to have 242 choruses, you need to first have a basic structure or form. You can't have a chorus, for example, without a verse.

    His description of pursuing ideas over multiple choruses, stopping them in mid-chorus, etc., sounds more akin to the thought-fragment/word association process of Fragmentism than to the variations of Jazz.

    He just liked the way that the label of "Jazz poet" sounded... much the same way that you like calling yourself a poet.

    Agreed.

    Jack Kerouac was an avid jazz fan so I think he knew what else was talking about.

    You're a Pat Boone fan, which has far less credibility.

    I've got plenty of jazz records in my collection



    Just because you have a few jazz records doesn't meN you understand them like Jack Kerouac did.


    Drunk posting! Or, Will Donkey is thinking about MEN again (is Jordy's Uncle not man enough for him?).


    I don't think anyone has ever considered Jordy's emoji-pooping Uncle to be manly.


    Is there a question mark in the M/F/X category on Uncle Jordy's drivers license?



    Jordy's Uncle has gender confusion that is more than fluid.


    This is a response to the post seen at: http://www.jlaforums.com/viewtopic.php?p=660030815#660030815
    --- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Cujo DeSockpuppet@cujo@petitmorte.net to alt.arts.poetry.comments on Sun Jan 11 17:08:44 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.arts.poetry.comments

    Will Dockery <user3274@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote in news:1768150690-3274@newsgrouper.org:


    Cujo DeSockpuppet <cujo@petitmorte.net> posted:

    Will Dockery <user3274@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote in
    news:1768146792-3274@newsgrouper.org:
    mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) posted:
    Will Dockery wrote:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico_City_Blues

    "I want to be considered a jazz poet, blowing a long blues in
    an afternoon jam session on Sunday. I take 242 choruses; my
    ideas vary and sometimes roll from chorus to chorus or from
    halfway through a chorus to halfway into the next." -Jack
    Kerouac

    Jack Kerouac was an avid jazz fan so I think he knew what
    else was talking about.

    You're a Pat Boone fan, which has far less credibility.

    I've got plenty of jazz records in my collection.

    I have quite a few jazz records in mine as well if that counts.

    [...]

    Big deal, you claim to be a poet, musician and talented. Even if NG
    turns out not to be female[1], you're at least two up on the "what
    you're not" category. Douchebags are also checking the boxes for
    "inbred" and "not human" so that's at least 4 points and almost
    certainly 5 points!

    You lose again, Douchebag!

    That's correct.

    Thanks for agreeing, Douchebag.

    [1] Just how fucking stupid are you, Douchebag?

    I think you just demonstrated it. Thanks, Douchebag!
    --
    "The fact that it doesn't apply to the poem is of little consequence to
    you, because your poems don't have a literary basis, because you're functionally illiterate and haven't got a clue as to what a poem is." -
    Little Willie Douchebag gets another asskicking from Pendragon
    --- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Will Dockery@user3274@newsgrouper.org.invalid to alt.arts.poetry.comments on Sun Jan 11 17:10:22 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.arts.poetry.comments


    nancygene.andjayme@gmail-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (NancyGene) posted:
    Will Dockery wrote:
    mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) posted:
    Will Dockery wrote:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico_City_Blues

    "I want to be considered a jazz poet, blowing a long blues in an afternoon jam session on Sunday. I take 242 choruses; my ideas vary and sometimes roll from chorus to chorus or from halfway through a chorus to halfway into the next." -Jack Kerouac

    This method produced some spectacular poetry.

    Jack Kerouac was an avid jazz fan so I think he knew what else was talking about.

    You're a Pat Boone fan, which has far less credibility.

    I've got plenty of jazz records in my collection

    I have quite a few jazz albums, myself.

    Just because you have a few jazz records doesn't mean you understand them like Jack Kerouac did.

    "We correct ourselves."

    Is there a question mark in the M/F/X category


    Jordy's Uncle has gender confusion

    Again, look who's talking, NancyGene, an anonymous troll who claims to be female.

    And so it goes.
    --
    Poetry and songs of Will Dockery:
    https://www.reverbnation.com/willdockery
    --- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From nancygene.andjayme@nancygene.andjayme@gmail-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (NancyGene) to alt.arts.poetry.comments on Sun Jan 11 12:10:17 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.arts.poetry.comments

    Cujo DeSockpuppet wrote:
    Will Dockery <user3274> wrote in
    news:1768146792-3274@newsgrouper.org:



    nancygene.andjayme@gmail-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (NancyGene) posted:

    Will Dockery wrote:
    mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) posted:
    Will Dockery wrote:
    mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) posted:
    Will Dockery wrote:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico_City_Blues

    "I want to be considered a jazz poet, blowing a long blues in an
    afternoon jam session on Sunday. I take 242 choruses; my ideas
    vary and sometimes roll from chorus to chorus or from halfway
    through a chorus to halfway into the next." -Jack Kerouac

    This method produced some spectacular poetry.

    Some of the best of all time...

    Just becaue
    doesn't make magically make it true, Donkey.

    Just as your whining about it doesn't make anything true,
    either.

    As I stated earlier:

    More mental masturbation from Jack.

    He has no more understanding of Jazz than he has of Buddhism
    (Dharma), but nevertheless gets off on applying it to his
    poetry/lifestyle.

    I can see why he's your idol, as you're constantly doing the
    same thing.

    Jazz is based upon the concept that there are potentially
    infinite variations within the framework of a given song. A jazz
    musician explores those variations -- while *staying within the
    structure* of the musical piece.

    Like your own "unspeakable sh*t," Jack's poetry had no basic
    form for him to perform variations (riffs) on.

    In order to have 242 choruses, you need to first have a basic
    structure or form. You can't have a chorus, for example, without
    a verse.

    His description of pursuing ideas over multiple choruses,
    stopping them in mid-chorus, etc., sounds more akin to the
    thought-fragment/word association process of Fragmentism than to
    the variations of Jazz.

    He just liked the way that the label of "Jazz poet" sounded...
    much the same way that you like calling yourself a poet.

    Agreed.

    Jack Kerouac was an avid jazz fan so I think he knew what else
    was talking about.

    You're a Pat Boone fan, which has far less credibility.

    I've got plenty of jazz records in my collection.

    I have quite a few jazz records in mine as well if that counts.

    [...]

    Is there a question mark in the M/F/X category

    Look who's talking, NancyGene an anonymous troll who claims to be
    female.



    Big deal, you claim to be a poet, musician and talented. Even if NG turns
    out not to be female[1], you're at least two up on the "what you're not" category. Douchebags are also checking the boxes for "inbred" and "not
    human" so that's at least 4 points and almost certainly 5 points!

    You lose again, Douchebag!

    [1] Just how f***ing stupid are you, Douchebag?



    We are sure of our gender, unlike Donkey and Jordy's diaper-wearing Uncle.

    Other things that Donkeys are not are:
    Good husbands
    Taxpayers
    Car owners
    Child support payers
    Good parents
    Good grandparents
    Good great-grandparents
    Landscapers
    Housekeepers
    Tooth brushers


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  • From Will Dockery@user3274@newsgrouper.org.invalid to alt.arts.poetry.comments on Sun Jan 11 17:30:17 2026
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    nancygene.andjayme@gmail-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (NancyGene) posted:
    Will Dockery <user3274> wrote in
    news:1768146792-3274@newsgrouper:
    nancygene.andjayme@gmail-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (NancyGene) posted:
    Will Dockery wrote:
    mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) posted:
    Will Dockery wrote:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico_City_Blues

    "I want to be considered a jazz poet, blowing a long blues in an
    afternoon jam session on Sunday. I take 242 choruses; my ideas
    vary and sometimes roll from chorus to chorus or from halfway
    through a chorus to halfway into the next." -Jack Kerouac

    This method produced some spectacular poetry.

    Jack Kerouac was an avid jazz fan so I think he knew what else
    was talking about.

    You're a Pat Boone fan, which has far less credibility.

    I've got plenty of jazz records in my collection.

    I have quite a few jazz records in mine as well if that counts.

    [...]

    Is there a question mark in the M/F/X category

    Look who's talking, NancyGene an anonymous troll who claims to be
    female.

    We are sure of our gender

    So you claim, but the fact remains that you're actually an anonymous troll here, NancyGene.
    --
    Poetry and songs of Will Dockery:
    https://www.reverbnation.com/willdockery
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  • From Will Dockery@user3274@newsgrouper.org.invalid to alt.arts.poetry.comments on Sun Jan 11 17:34:20 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.arts.poetry.comments


    Cujo DeSockpuppet <cujo@petitmorte.net> posted:
    Will Dockery <user3274@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote in news:1768146792-3274@newsgrouper.org:
    mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) posted:
    Will Dockery wrote:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico_City_Blues

    "I want to be considered a jazz poet, blowing a long blues in
    an afternoon jam session on Sunday. I take 242 choruses; my
    ideas vary and sometimes roll from chorus to chorus or from
    halfway through a chorus to halfway into the next." -Jack
    Kerouac

    Jack Kerouac was an avid jazz fan so I think he knew what
    else was talking about.

    You're a Pat Boone fan, which has far less credibility.

    I've got plenty of jazz records in my collection.

    I have quite a few jazz records in mine as well if that counts.

    [...]

    you claim to be a poet, musician

    That's correct.

    And unlike you, Kevin Fries, I'm not afraid to post examples of my poetry and music.

    Click the link below:
    --
    Poetry and songs of Will Dockery:
    https://www.reverbnation.com/willdockery
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  • From Will Dockery@user3274@newsgrouper.org.invalid to alt.arts.poetry.comments on Sun Jan 11 18:22:42 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.arts.poetry.comments


    nancygene.andjayme@gmail-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (NancyGene) posted:
    Will Dockery wrote:
    mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) posted:
    Will Dockery wrote:
    mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) posted:
    Will Dockery wrote:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico_City_Blues

    "I want to be considered a jazz poet, blowing a long blues in an afternoon jam session on Sunday. I take 242 choruses; my ideas vary and sometimes roll from chorus to chorus or from halfway through a chorus to halfway into the next." -Jack Kerouac

    This method produced some spectacular poetry.

    Some of the best of all time...

    Just becaue
    doesn't make magically make it true, Donkey.

    Just as your whining about it doesn't make anything true, either.

    As I stated earlier:

    More mental masturbation from Jack.

    He has no more understanding of Jazz than he has of Buddhism (Dharma), but nevertheless gets off on applying it to his poetry/lifestyle.

    I can see why he's your idol, as you're constantly doing the same thing.

    Jazz is based upon the concept that there are potentially infinite variations within the framework of a given song. A jazz musician explores those variations -- while *staying within the structure* of the musical piece.

    Like your own "unspeakable sh*t," Jack's poetry had no basic form for him to perform variations (riffs) on.

    In order to have 242 choruses, you need to first have a basic structure or form. You can't have a chorus, for example, without a verse.

    His description of pursuing ideas over multiple choruses, stopping them in mid-chorus, etc., sounds more akin to the thought-fragment/word association process of Fragmentism than to the variations of Jazz.

    He just liked the way that the label of "Jazz poet" sounded... much the same way that you like calling yourself a poet.

    Agreed.

    Jack Kerouac was an avid jazz fan so I think he knew what else was talking about.

    You're a Pat Boone fan, which has far less credibility.

    I've got plenty of jazz records in my collection

    Just because you have a few jazz records doesn't mean you understand them like Jack Kerouac did.

    "We corrected our error."

    I don't think anyone has ever considered Jordy's emoji-pooping Uncle to be manly.

    Is there a question mark in the M/F/X category

    Is there one on yours?

    Jordy's Uncle has gender confusion

    Again, like an anonymous troll like you had any room to criticize someone else's gender identity.

    For all we know, you're really just an old man pretending to be "Nancy Gene." --
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    https://www.reverbnation.com/willdockery
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  • From WillDockery@noreply@pugleaf.net.invalid to alt.arts.poetry.comments on Sun Jan 11 21:26:13 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.arts.poetry.comments

    Michael Pendrago wrote:
    Will Dockery wrote:
    Zod wrote:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico_City_Blues

    "I want to be considered a jazz poet, blowing a long blues in an afternoon jam session on Sunday. I take 242 choruses; my ideas vary and sometimes roll from chorus to chorus or from halfway through a chorus to halfway into the next." -Jack Kerouac
    Check this out:

    https://www.grin.com/document/12330

    "Carl Sandburg was one of the first white writers who treated jazz in his poetry and is considered one of the pioneers of jazz related poetry... SandburgrCOs most popular jazz related poem is rCLJazz FantasiarCY, included in Smoke and Steel (1920)..."


    Are you saying that writing "jazz related poetry" is what makes one a "jazz poet"?

    That is definitely one aspect of Jazz poetry.
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  • From nancygene.andjayme@nancygene.andjayme@gmail-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (NancyGene) to alt.arts.poetry.comments on Sun Jan 11 16:42:31 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.arts.poetry.comments

    Will Dockery wrote:
    nancygene.andjayme@gmail-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (NancyGene) posted:

    Will Dockery wrote:
    mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) posted:
    Will Dockery wrote:
    mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) posted:
    Will Dockery wrote:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico_City_Blues

    "I want to be considered a jazz poet, blowing a long blues in an afternoon jam session on Sunday. I take 242 choruses; my ideas vary and sometimes roll from chorus to chorus or from halfway through a chorus to halfway into the next." -Jack Kerouac

    This method produced some spectacular poetry.

    Some of the best of all time...

    Just becaue
    doesn't make magically make it true, Donkey.

    Just as your whining about it doesn't make anything true, either.

    As I stated earlier:

    More mental masturbation from Jack.

    He has no more understanding of Jazz than he has of Buddhism (Dharma), but nevertheless gets off on applying it to his poetry/lifestyle.

    I can see why he's your idol, as you're constantly doing the same thing.

    Jazz is based upon the concept that there are potentially infinite variations within the framework of a given song. A jazz musician explores those variations -- while *staying within the structure* of the musical piece.

    Like your own "unspeakable sh*t," Jack's poetry had no basic form for him to perform variations (riffs) on.

    In order to have 242 choruses, you need to first have a basic structure or form. You can't have a chorus, for example, without a verse.

    His description of pursuing ideas over multiple choruses, stopping them in mid-chorus, etc., sounds more akin to the thought-fragment/word association process of Fragmentism than to the variations of Jazz.

    He just liked the way that the label of "Jazz poet" sounded... much the same way that you like calling yourself a poet.

    Agreed.

    Jack Kerouac was an avid jazz fan so I think he knew what else was talking about.

    You're a Pat Boone fan, which has far less credibility.

    I've got plenty of jazz records in my collection

    Just because you have a few jazz records doesn't mean you understand them like Jack Kerouac did.



    "We corrected our error."


    I don't think anyone has ever considered Jordy's emoji-pooping Uncle to be manly.

    Is there a question mark in the M/F/X category



    Is there one on yours?


    Jordy's Uncle has gender confusion



    Again, like an anonymous troll like you had any room to criticize someone else's gender identity.

    For all we know, you're really just an old man pretending to be "Nancy Gene."




    Jordy's Uncle pretends to be his nephew, which is weird.

    For all we know, you're really just an old man pretending to be "a poet."


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  • From mpsilvertone@mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) to alt.arts.poetry.comments on Mon Jan 12 00:48:38 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.arts.poetry.comments

    WillDockery wrote:
    Michael Pendrago wrote:

    Will Dockery wrote:
    Zod wrote:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico_City_Blues

    "I want to be considered a jazz poet, blowing a long blues in an afternoon jam session on Sunday. I take 242 choruses; my ideas vary and sometimes roll from chorus to chorus or from halfway through a chorus to halfway into the next." -Jack Kerouac
    Check this out:

    https://www.grin.com/document/12330

    "Carl Sandburg was one of the first white writers who treated jazz in his poetry and is considered one of the pioneers of jazz related poetry... SandburgrCOs most popular jazz related poem is rCLJazz FantasiarCY, included in Smoke and Steel (1920)..."


    Are you saying that writing "jazz related poetry" is what makes one a "jazz poet"?



    That is definitely one aspect of Jazz poetry.



    No, Donkey. That's a topic -- not a poetic style or form.

    You've no idea what jazz or poetry are, have you?


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  • From will.dockery@will.dockery@gmail-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (Will-Dockery) to alt.arts.poetry.comments on Mon Jan 12 00:59:20 2026
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    Zod wrote:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico_City_Blues

    "I want to be considered a jazz poet, blowing a long blues in an afternoon jam session on Sunday. I take 242 choruses; my ideas vary and sometimes roll from chorus to chorus or from halfway through a chorus to halfway into the next." -Jack Kerouac





    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico_City_Blues

    "I want to be considered a jazz poet, blowing a long blues in an afternoon jam session on Sunday. I take 242 choruses; my ideas vary and sometimes roll from chorus to chorus or from halfway through a chorus to halfway into the next." -Jack Kerouac

    ***
    CC: Harry Lime, my jazz poetry vinyl album collection by Jack Kerouac.
    First disc: Blues and Haikus
    Vocals by Jack Kerouac, jazz backing by Al Cohn and Zoot Sims. See JLA Forums attachment below.


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  • From will.dockery@will.dockery@gmail-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (Will-Dockery) to alt.arts.poetry.comments on Mon Jan 12 01:16:34 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.arts.poetry.comments

    Zod wrote:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico_City_Blues

    "I want to be considered a jazz poet, blowing a long blues in an afternoon jam session on Sunday. I take 242 choruses; my ideas vary and sometimes roll from chorus to chorus or from halfway through a chorus to halfway into the next." -Jack Kerouac





    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico_City_Blues

    "I want to be considered a jazz poet, blowing a long blues in an afternoon jam session on Sunday. I take 242 choruses; my ideas vary and sometimes roll from chorus to chorus or from halfway through a chorus to halfway into the next." -Jack Kerouac

    ***
    CC: Harry Lime, my jazz poetry vinyl album collection by Jack Kerouac.
    Second disc: Poetry For The Beat Generation
    Vocals by Jack Kerouac, jazz backing by Steve Allen. See JLA Forums attachment below.


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  • From will.dockery@will.dockery@gmail-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (Will-Dockery) to alt.arts.poetry.comments on Mon Jan 12 07:03:53 2026
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    HarryLime wrote:

    WillDockery wrote:
    Michael Pendrago wrote:

    Will Dockery wrote:
    Zod wrote:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico_City_Blues

    "I want to be considered a jazz poet, blowing a long blues in an afternoon jam session on Sunday. I take 242 choruses; my ideas vary and sometimes roll from chorus to chorus or from halfway through a chorus to halfway into the next." -Jack Kerouac
    Check this out:

    https://www.grin.com/document/12330

    "Carl Sandburg was one of the first white writers who treated jazz in his poetry and is considered one of the pioneers of jazz related poetry... SandburgrCOs most popular jazz related poem is rCLJazz FantasiarCY, included in Smoke and Steel (1920)..."


    Are you saying that writing "jazz related poetry" is what makes one a "jazz poet"?



    That is definitely one aspect of Jazz poetry.


    You've no idea what jazz or poetry are, have you?



    I know quite a bit about both, having been a fan of both for over 50 years.

    I've been reading and listening to, and sometimes performing, poetry backed with jazz since at least 1973, when I first began reading Jack Kerouac and the other Beat Generation poets.

    As shown earlier, here's one of my vinyl records of Jack Kerouac reading poetry backed by jazz musicians.

    See JLA Forums attachment below.


    View the attachments for this post at: http://www.jlaforums.com/viewtopic.php?p=700377133#700377133




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  • From nancygene.andjayme@nancygene.andjayme@gmail-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (NancyGene) to alt.arts.poetry.comments on Mon Jan 12 08:01:44 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.arts.poetry.comments

    Will-Dockery wrote:

    HarryLime wrote:

    WillDockery wrote:
    Michael Pendrago wrote:

    Will Dockery wrote:
    Zod wrote:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico_City_Blues

    "I want to be considered a jazz poet, blowing a long blues in an afternoon jam session on Sunday. I take 242 choruses; my ideas vary and sometimes roll from chorus to chorus or from halfway through a chorus to halfway into the next." -Jack Kerouac
    Check this out:

    https://www.grin.com/document/12330

    "Carl Sandburg was one of the first white writers who treated jazz in his poetry and is considered one of the pioneers of jazz related poetry... SandburgrCOs most popular jazz related poem is rCLJazz FantasiarCY, included in Smoke and Steel (1920)..."


    Are you saying that writing "jazz related poetry" is what makes one a "jazz poet"?



    That is definitely one aspect of Jazz poetry.


    You've no idea what jazz or poetry are, have you?


    I know quite a bit about both, having been a fan of both for over 50 years.

    I've been reading and listening to, and sometimes performing, poetry backed with jazz since at least 1973, when I first began reading Jack Kerouac and the other Beat Generation poets.

    As shown earlier, here's one of my vinyl records of Jack Kerouac reading poetry backed by jazz musicians.

    See JLA Forums attachment below.



    That's one of the records that should be in the trash at the side of the hovel.


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  • From will.dockery@will.dockery@gmail-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (Will-Dockery) to alt.arts.poetry.comments on Mon Jan 12 08:25:58 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.arts.poetry.comments

    NancyGene wrote:

    Will-Dockery wrote:

    HarryLime wrote:

    WillDockery wrote:
    Michael Pendrago wrote:

    Will Dockery wrote:
    Zod wrote:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico_City_Blues

    "I want to be considered a jazz poet, blowing a long blues in an afternoon jam session on Sunday. I take 242 choruses; my ideas vary and sometimes roll from chorus to chorus or from halfway through a chorus to halfway into the next." -Jack Kerouac
    Check this out:

    https://www.grin.com/document/12330

    "Carl Sandburg was one of the first white writers who treated jazz in his poetry and is considered one of the pioneers of jazz related poetry... SandburgrCOs most popular jazz related poem is rCLJazz FantasiarCY, included in Smoke and Steel (1920)..."


    Are you saying that writing "jazz related poetry" is what makes one a "jazz poet"?



    That is definitely one aspect of Jazz poetry.


    You've no idea what jazz or poetry are, have you?


    I know quite a bit about both, having been a fan of both for over 50 years. >>
    I've been reading and listening to, and sometimes performing, poetry backed with jazz since at least 1973, when I first began reading Jack Kerouac and the other Beat Generation poets.

    As shown earlier, here's one of my vinyl records of Jack Kerouac reading poetry backed by jazz musicians.

    See JLA Forums attachment below.


    That's one of the records that should be in the trash at the side of the hovel.



    It's a beautiful box set of the four jazz poetry albums Jack Kerouac recorded in the late 50s.

    Worth a "pretty penny," actually.

    HTH and HAND.

    Here's the one he recommended in collaboration with pianist Steve Allen, see JLA Forums attachment below.


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  • From nancygene.andjayme@nancygene.andjayme@gmail-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (NancyGene) to alt.arts.poetry.comments on Mon Jan 12 09:29:44 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.arts.poetry.comments

    Will-Dockery wrote:

    NancyGene wrote:

    Will-Dockery wrote:

    HarryLime wrote:

    WillDockery wrote:
    Michael Pendrago wrote:

    Will Dockery wrote:
    Zod wrote:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico_City_Blues

    "I want to be considered a jazz poet, blowing a long blues in an afternoon jam session on Sunday. I take 242 choruses; my ideas vary and sometimes roll from chorus to chorus or from halfway through a chorus to halfway into the next." -Jack Kerouac
    Check this out:

    https://www.grin.com/document/12330

    "Carl Sandburg was one of the first white writers who treated jazz in his poetry and is considered one of the pioneers of jazz related poetry... SandburgrCOs most popular jazz related poem is rCLJazz FantasiarCY, included in Smoke and Steel (1920)..."


    Are you saying that writing "jazz related poetry" is what makes one a "jazz poet"?



    That is definitely one aspect of Jazz poetry.


    You've no idea what jazz or poetry are, have you?


    I know quite a bit about both, having been a fan of both for over 50 years. >>>
    I've been reading and listening to, and sometimes performing, poetry backed with jazz since at least 1973, when I first began reading Jack Kerouac and the other Beat Generation poets.

    As shown earlier, here's one of my vinyl records of Jack Kerouac reading poetry backed by jazz musicians.

    See JLA Forums attachment below.


    That's one of the records that should be in the trash at the side of the hovel.


    It's a beautiful box set of the four jazz poetry albums Jack Kerouac recorded in the late 50s.

    Worth a "pretty penny," actually.

    HTH and HAND.

    Here's the one he recommended in collaboration with pianist Steve Allen, see JLA Forums attachment below.



    It's only worth what people will pay for it, and things need to be in pristine condition (usually unopened) to be worth anything at all. Yours is probably scratched, dirty and warped from the heat. We wouldn't want it if it were free.


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  • From mpsilvertone@mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) to alt.arts.poetry.comments on Mon Jan 12 09:52:52 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.arts.poetry.comments

    Will-Dockery wrote:

    NancyGene wrote:

    Will-Dockery wrote:

    HarryLime wrote:

    WillDockery wrote:
    Michael Pendrago wrote:

    Will Dockery wrote:
    Zod wrote:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico_City_Blues

    "I want to be considered a jazz poet, blowing a long blues in an afternoon jam session on Sunday. I take 242 choruses; my ideas vary and sometimes roll from chorus to chorus or from halfway through a chorus to halfway into the next." -Jack Kerouac
    Check this out:

    https://www.grin.com/document/12330

    "Carl Sandburg was one of the first white writers who treated jazz in his poetry and is considered one of the pioneers of jazz related poetry... SandburgrCOs most popular jazz related poem is rCLJazz FantasiarCY, included in Smoke and Steel (1920)..."


    Are you saying that writing "jazz related poetry" is what makes one a "jazz poet"?



    That is definitely one aspect of Jazz poetry.


    You've no idea what jazz or poetry are, have you?


    I know quite a bit about both, having been a fan of both for over 50 years. >>>
    I've been reading and listening to, and sometimes performing, poetry backed with jazz since at least 1973, when I first began reading Jack Kerouac and the other Beat Generation poets.

    As shown earlier, here's one of my vinyl records of Jack Kerouac reading poetry backed by jazz musicians.

    See JLA Forums attachment below.


    That's one of the records that should be in the trash at the side of the hovel.


    It's a beautiful box set of the four jazz poetry albums Jack Kerouac recorded in the late 50s.

    Worth a "pretty penny," actually.

    HTH and HAND.

    Here's the one he recommended in collaboration with pianist Steve Allen, see JLA Forums attachment below.




    The 4 record box set is a 1990 re-issue by Rhino Records, Donkey.

    It's the original album put out by Dot records that fetches the big money.


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  • From will.dockery@will.dockery@gmail-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (Will-Dockery) to alt.arts.poetry.comments on Mon Jan 12 12:26:04 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.arts.poetry.comments

    HarryLime wrote:

    Will-Dockery wrote:

    NancyGene wrote:

    Will-Dockery wrote:

    HarryLime wrote:

    WillDockery wrote:
    Michael Pendrago wrote:

    Will Dockery wrote:
    Zod wrote:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico_City_Blues

    "I want to be considered a jazz poet, blowing a long blues in an afternoon jam session on Sunday. I take 242 choruses; my ideas vary and sometimes roll from chorus to chorus or from halfway through a chorus to halfway into the next." -Jack Kerouac
    Check this out:

    https://www.grin.com/document/12330

    "Carl Sandburg was one of the first white writers who treated jazz in his poetry and is considered one of the pioneers of jazz related poetry... SandburgrCOs most popular jazz related poem is rCLJazz FantasiarCY, included in Smoke and Steel (1920)..."


    Are you saying that writing "jazz related poetry" is what makes one a "jazz poet"?



    That is definitely one aspect of Jazz poetry.


    You've no idea what jazz or poetry are, have you?


    I know quite a bit about both, having been a fan of both for over 50 years.

    I've been reading and listening to, and sometimes performing, poetry backed with jazz since at least 1973, when I first began reading Jack Kerouac and the other Beat Generation poets.

    As shown earlier, here's one of my vinyl records of Jack Kerouac reading poetry backed by jazz musicians.

    See JLA Forums attachment below.


    That's one of the records that should be in the trash at the side of the hovel.


    It's a beautiful box set of the four jazz poetry albums Jack Kerouac recorded in the late 50s.

    Worth a "pretty penny," actually.

    HTH and HAND.

    Here's the one he recommended in collaboration with pianist Steve Allen, see JLA Forums attachment below.



    The 4 record box set is a 1990 re-issue by Rhino Records

    It's the original album put out by Dot records that fetches the big money.



    I haven't checked the value of my 1990 copies but I expect them to be a bit expensive by now also.


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  • From will.dockery@will.dockery@gmail-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (Will-Dockery) to alt.arts.poetry.comments on Mon Jan 12 14:49:50 2026
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    Zod wrote:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico_City_Blues

    "I want to be considered a jazz poet, blowing a long blues in an afternoon jam session on Sunday. I take 242 choruses; my ideas vary and sometimes roll from chorus to chorus or from halfway through a chorus to halfway into the next." -Jack Kerouac





    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico_City_Blues

    "I want to be considered a jazz poet, blowing a long blues in an afternoon jam session on Sunday. I take 242 choruses; my ideas vary and sometimes roll from chorus to chorus or from halfway through a chorus to halfway into the next." -Jack Kerouac

    ***

    CC: Harry Lime, here's the box for my copies of the Jack Kerouac Collection, the 1990 reissue. Definitely an educational set of albums for understanding jazz poetry.

    You can probably find examples from it on YouTube.


    View the attachments for this post at: http://www.jlaforums.com/viewtopic.php?p=700387268#700387268




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  • From mpsilvertone@mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) to alt.arts.poetry.comments on Mon Jan 12 15:10:41 2026
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    Will-Dockery wrote:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico_City_Blues

    "I want to be considered a jazz poet, blowing a long blues in an afternoon jam session on Sunday. I take 242 choruses; my ideas vary and sometimes roll from chorus to chorus or from halfway through a chorus to halfway into the next." -Jack Kerouac

    ***

    CC: Harry Lime, here's the box for my copies of the Jack Kerouac Collection, the 1990 reissue. Definitely an educational set of albums for understanding jazz poetry.

    You can probably find examples from it on YouTube.



    FYI: "CC" is an abbreviation for "carbon copy." It's used, figuratively, to show that a copy of an email or text is being sent to someone else.

    So "CC: Harry Lime" means that along with this post, you've sent a copy to me via email or text.

    As per Kerouac's recordings, they are not an example of "Jazz Poetry." They are an example of poetry set to Jazz music.

    Hopefully you can understand the difference.


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  • From will.dockery@will.dockery@gmail-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (Will-Dockery) to alt.arts.poetry.comments on Mon Jan 12 17:00:02 2026
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    HarryLime wrote:

    Will-Dockery wrote:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico_City_Blues

    "I want to be considered a jazz poet, blowing a long blues in an afternoon jam session on Sunday. I take 242 choruses; my ideas vary and sometimes roll from chorus to chorus or from halfway through a chorus to halfway into the next." -Jack Kerouac

    ***

    CC: Harry Lime, here's the box for my copies of the Jack Kerouac Collection, the 1990 reissue. Definitely an educational set of albums for understanding jazz poetry.

    You can probably find examples from it on YouTube.


    FYI: "CC" is an abbreviation for "carbon copy." It's used, figuratively, to show that a copy of an email or text is being sent to someone else.

    So "CC: Harry Lime" means that along with this post, you've sent a copy to me via email or text.

    As per Kerouac's recordings, they are not an example of "Jazz Poetry." They are an example of poetry set to Jazz music.

    Hopefully you can understand the difference.



    I should have just written Ping: Harry Lime, the usual Usenet newsgroup lingo.

    My copy of the new Mountain Goats CD finally arrived today via FedEx.

    Very good concept or "rock opera" album, highly recommend.

    See JLA Forums attachment below for a look at the front cover of the Mountain Goats album.


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  • From Will Dockery@user3274@newsgrouper.org.invalid to alt.arts.poetry.comments on Tue Jan 13 00:33:48 2026
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    mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) posted:
    Will-Dockery wrote:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico_City_Blues

    "I want to be considered a jazz poet, blowing a long blues in an afternoon jam session on Sunday. I take 242 choruses; my ideas vary and sometimes roll from chorus to chorus or from halfway through a chorus to halfway into the next." -Jack Kerouac

    ***

    Ping: Harry Lime, here's the box for my copies of the Jack Kerouac Collection, the 1990 reissue. Definitely an educational set of albums for understanding jazz poetry.

    You can probably find examples from it on YouTube.


    As per Kerouac's recordings, they are not an example of "Jazz Poetry." They are an example of poetry set to Jazz music.

    Have you actually listened to the Jack Kerouac recordings?
    --
    Poetry and songs of Will Dockery:
    https://www.reverbnation.com/willdockery
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  • From mpsilvertone@mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) to alt.arts.poetry.comments on Mon Jan 12 21:44:41 2026
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    Will Dockery wrote:
    mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) posted:

    Will-Dockery wrote:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico_City_Blues

    "I want to be considered a jazz poet, blowing a long blues in an afternoon jam session on Sunday. I take 242 choruses; my ideas vary and sometimes roll from chorus to chorus or from halfway through a chorus to halfway into the next." -Jack Kerouac

    ***

    Ping: Harry Lime, here's the box for my copies of the Jack Kerouac Collection, the 1990 reissue. Definitely an educational set of albums for understanding jazz poetry.

    You can probably find examples from it on YouTube.


    As per Kerouac's recordings, they are not an example of "Jazz Poetry." They are an example of poetry set to Jazz music.



    Have you actually listened to the Jack Kerouac recordings?






    A few.

    Steve Allen does a nice job on piano. He almost saves the album.

    Kerouac does a piss poor job of reading them.

    Writing-wise, they come across as overwritten high school fiction.


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  • From Will Dockery@user3274@newsgrouper.org.invalid to alt.arts.poetry.comments on Tue Jan 13 05:40:51 2026
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    mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) posted:
    Will Dockery wrote:
    mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) posted:
    Will-Dockery wrote:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico_City_Blues

    "I want to be considered a jazz poet, blowing a long blues in an afternoon jam session on Sunday. I take 242 choruses; my ideas vary and sometimes roll from chorus to chorus or from halfway through a chorus to halfway into the next." -Jack Kerouac

    ***

    Ping: Harry Lime, here's the box for my copies of the Jack Kerouac Collection, the 1990 reissue. Definitely an educational set of albums for understanding jazz poetry.

    You can probably find examples from it on YouTube.

    As per Kerouac's recordings, they are not an example of "Jazz Poetry." They are an example of poetry set to Jazz music.

    Have you actually listened to the Jack Kerouac recordings?

    A few.

    Steve Allen does a nice job on piano. He almost saves the album.

    Kerouac does

    You're mistaken, the Kerouac vocals made them classics of jazz poetry.
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  • From nancygene.andjayme@nancygene.andjayme@gmail-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (NancyGene) to alt.arts.poetry.comments on Tue Jan 13 10:13:11 2026
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    HarryLime wrote:

    Will Dockery wrote:
    mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) posted:

    Will-Dockery wrote:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico_City_Blues

    "I want to be considered a jazz poet, blowing a long blues in an afternoon jam session on Sunday. I take 242 choruses; my ideas vary and sometimes roll from chorus to chorus or from halfway through a chorus to halfway into the next." -Jack Kerouac

    ***

    Ping: Harry Lime, here's the box for my copies of the Jack Kerouac Collection, the 1990 reissue. Definitely an educational set of albums for understanding jazz poetry.

    You can probably find examples from it on YouTube.


    As per Kerouac's recordings, they are not an example of "Jazz Poetry." They are an example of poetry set to Jazz music.



    Have you actually listened to the Jack Kerouac recordings?





    A few.

    Steve Allen does a nice job on piano. He almost saves the album.

    Kerouac does a piss poor job of reading them.

    Writing-wise, they come across as overwritten high school fiction.



    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3LLpNKo09Xk (with Steve Allen)

    We couldn't stand to watch all of the segment, but what we did see reinforced our view that Jack Kerouac wrote nothing that we would want to read (or listen to).


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