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who is conflicted?
who is conflicted?
Nomen Nescio wrote:
who is conflicted?
Hmmm, interesting topic... that probably deserves to be
discussed in a more serious place and explored earnestly... by
adults.
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
Nomen Nescio wrote:
who is conflicted?
Hmmm, interesting topic... that probably deserves to be
discussed in a more serious place and explored earnestly...
by adults.
I didn’t see the original post because my NNTP provider knows
a racist troll when it sees one.
People outside the U.K. sometimes don’t seem to realise that
most of us see a person’s colour. And their hairstyle. And
their gender. And all of those things have equal weight - in
the context of a politician, or even most other things,
virtually none.
Now, yes, she’s right wing. The Tories were severely damaged
in the last election by the success of the very far right
Reform party. So they figure they need to swing further right
to get those votes back.
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
Nomen Nescio wrote:
who is conflicted?
Hmmm, interesting topic... that probably deserves to be
discussed in a more serious place and explored earnestly... by
adults.
I didn’t see the original post because my NNTP provider knows a racist >troll when it sees one.
People outside the U.K. sometimes don’t seem to realise that most of us see >a person’s colour. And their hairstyle. And their gender. And all of those >things have equal weight - in the context of a politician, or even most
other things, virtually none.
Now, yes, she’s right wing. The Tories were severely damaged in the last >election by the success of the very far right Reform party. So they figure >they need to swing further right to get those votes back.
But that’s just going to lose them the centre, who will move to the Lib >Dems or even (if they can settle in) the current Labour administration
which is barely left of centre.
They’re on a losing path. If they could move to the centre without losing >any more of their right wing, and work to make Reform irrelevant so that >their support drifts back to its natural home of the Tory right wing, they >might recover.
But the path they’ve chosen - will just make them Reform 2.0 … and they’ll
stabilise at a low percentage of votes and have to start seeking electoral >reform to fix our “broken” first past the post electoral system under which
they’ll never have a meaningful voice again.
At least, we can all hope so.
--
“Most of the Universe is knackered, babes.” - The Doctor
In article <vg8qe3$i10o$1@dont-email.me>,
The Last Doctor <mike@xenocyte.com> wrote:
People outside the U.K. sometimes don’t seem to realise that
most of us see a person’s colour. And their hairstyle. And
their gender. And all of those things have equal weight - in
the context of a politician, or even most other things,
virtually none.
Now, yes, she’s right wing. The Tories were severely damaged
in the last election by the success of the very far right
Reform party. So they figure they need to swing further
right to get those votes back.
But that’s just going to lose them the centre, who will move
to the Lib Dems or even (if they can settle in) the current
Labour administration which is barely left of centre.
They’re on a losing path. If they could move to the centre
without losing any more of their right wing, and work to
make Reform irrelevant so that their support drifts back to
its natural home of the Tory right wing, they might recover.
But the path they’ve chosen - will just make them Reform 2.0
… and they’ll stabilise at a low percentage of votes and
have to start seeking electoral reform to fix our “broken”
first past the post electoral system under which they’ll
never have a meaningful voice again.
At least, we can all hope so.
The CaUP will be moving to the right.
The Doctor wrote:
In article <vg8qe3$i10o$1@dont-email.me>,
The Last Doctor <mike@xenocyte.com> wrote:
People outside the U.K. sometimes don’t seem to realise that
most of us see a person’s colour. And their hairstyle. And
their gender. And all of those things have equal weight - in
the context of a politician, or even most other things,
virtually none.
Now, yes, she’s right wing. The Tories were severely damaged
in the last election by the success of the very far right
Reform party. So they figure they need to swing further
right to get those votes back.
But that’s just going to lose them the centre, who will move
to the Lib Dems or even (if they can settle in) the current
Labour administration which is barely left of centre.
They’re on a losing path. If they could move to the centre
without losing any more of their right wing, and work to
make Reform irrelevant so that their support drifts back to
its natural home of the Tory right wing, they might recover.
But the path they’ve chosen - will just make them Reform 2.0
… and they’ll stabilise at a low percentage of votes and
have to start seeking electoral reform to fix our “broken”
first past the post electoral system under which they’ll
never have a meaningful voice again.
At least, we can all hope so.
The CaUP will be moving to the right.
How right is right though? The Tories have just replaced a man
of Indian descent with a woman of Nigerian descent... so it's
all relative.
You've right-on, right, far-right and never-right (you might
feel an affinity with that one!)... they are all just labels at
the end of the day though.
Kemi Badenoch should have a [relatively] easy enough job though,
she's following Rishi Sunak, Liz Truss and Boris Johnson as
leader of the Conservative Party... if she only half-does her
job properly it should still be an improvement on them!!! ;-)
If you have a left you have to have a right. Ying-yang.
Blueshirt wrote on 4/11/24 10:15 am:
<Snip>
If you have a left you have to have a right. Ying-yang.
As I was reading this thread, I started thinking ... "Can a
Political Spectrum ever be lop-sided??"
Blueshirt wrote on 4/11/24 10:15 am:
<Snip>
If you have a left you have to have a right. Ying-yang.
As I was reading this thread, I started thinking ... "Can a Political >Spectrum ever be loop-sided??"
That is if everyone fell on the Political Spectrum ranging from, say, >'Extreme Right' through 'Centre' to 'Centre-Left', would it remain like
that ...
or ... would the 'Extreme Right' drift in to become 'The Right' and 'The >Centre' drift left-ish and the 'Centre-Left' become 'The Left'??
--
Daniel
Daniel70 wrote:
Blueshirt wrote on 4/11/24 10:15 am:
<Snip>
If you have a left you have to have a right. Ying-yang.
As I was reading this thread, I started thinking ... "Can a
Political Spectrum ever be lop-sided??"
Politicians will wear whatever coat gets them the most votes.
How sincere they are to any actual belief is open to question.
This is not a new phenomenon... the UK had a politician called
[Sir] Oswald Mosley, who was the leader of the British Union of
Fascists in 1930's, but he was also an elected MP for both the
Labour and Conservative Parties during his political career. If
that wasn't lop-sided I don't know what is!
The people who think the new Conservative Party leader is
"far-right" clearly believe anything to the 'right' of Joseph
Stalin is "far-right"! Whilst the British Prime Minister Kier
Starmer is no more a traditional Labour socialist than I am. For
me, when I see him on the TV he comes across more like a
traditional Tory... just with a red tie! So political spectrum
labels don't really mean much when you've politicians that would
sell their granny to get power.
In article <xn0oswxjwqmuwk002@post.eweka.nl>,
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
The people who think the new Conservative Party leader is
"far-right" clearly believe anything to the 'right' of Joseph
Stalin is "far-right"! Whilst the British Prime Minister Kier
Starmer is no more a traditional Labour socialist than I am.
For me, when I see him on the TV he comes across more like a
traditional Tory... just with a red tie! So political
spectrum labels don't really mean much when you've
politicians that would sell their granny to get power.
Sounds like Tony Bliar.
The Doctor wrote:
In article <xn0oswxjwqmuwk002@post.eweka.nl>,
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
The people who think the new Conservative Party leader is
"far-right" clearly believe anything to the 'right' of Joseph
Stalin is "far-right"! Whilst the British Prime Minister Kier
Starmer is no more a traditional Labour socialist than I am.
For me, when I see him on the TV he comes across more like a
traditional Tory... just with a red tie! So political
spectrum labels don't really mean much when you've
politicians that would sell their granny to get power.
Sounds like Tony Bliar.
Yeah, I always thought Tony Blair came across as a red Tory too
but he did have a bit of charisma. I actually quite liked him...
The Doctor wrote:
In article <xn0oswxjwqmuwk002@post.eweka.nl>,
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
The people who think the new Conservative Party leader is
"far-right" clearly believe anything to the 'right' of Joseph
Stalin is "far-right"! Whilst the British Prime Minister Kier
Starmer is no more a traditional Labour socialist than I am.
For me, when I see him on the TV he comes across more like a
traditional Tory... just with a red tie! So political
spectrum labels don't really mean much when you've
politicians that would sell their granny to get power.
Sounds like Tony Bliar.
Yeah, I always thought Tony Blair came across as a red Tory too
but he did have a bit of charisma. I actually quite liked him...
Blueshirt wrote on 5/11/24 7:34 am:
The Doctor wrote:
In article <xn0oswxjwqmuwk002@post.eweka.nl>,
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
The people who think the new Conservative Party leader is
"far-right" clearly believe anything to the 'right' of Joseph
Stalin is "far-right"! Whilst the British Prime Minister Kier
Starmer is no more a traditional Labour socialist than I am.
For me, when I see him on the TV he comes across more like a traditional Tory... just with a red tie! So political
spectrum labels don't really mean much when you've
politicians that would sell their granny to get power.
Sounds like Tony Bliar.
Yeah, I always thought Tony Blair came across as a red Tory too
but he did have a bit of charisma. I actually quite liked him...
But, NO, Blueshirt, Gobble-de-gook wasn't referring to "Tony Blair", Gobble-de-gook was referring to that figment of his sadly lacking imagination, 'Tony Bliar'.
Blueshirt wrote on 5/11/24 7:34 am:
The Doctor wrote:But, NO, Blueshirt, Gobble-de-gook wasn't referring to "Tony Blair", >Gobble-de-gook was referring to that figment of his sadly lacking >imagination, 'Tony Bliar'.
In article <xn0oswxjwqmuwk002@post.eweka.nl>,
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
The people who think the new Conservative Party leader is
"far-right" clearly believe anything to the 'right' of Joseph
Stalin is "far-right"! Whilst the British Prime Minister Kier
Starmer is no more a traditional Labour socialist than I am.
For me, when I see him on the TV he comes across more like a
traditional Tory... just with a red tie! So political
spectrum labels don't really mean much when you've
politicians that would sell their granny to get power.
Sounds like Tony Bliar.
Yeah, I always thought Tony Blair came across as a red Tory too
but he did have a bit of charisma. I actually quite liked him...
--
Daniel
Daniel70 wrote:Exactly! Dannyboy is not keeping up!
Blueshirt wrote on 5/11/24 7:34 am:
The Doctor wrote:But, NO, Blueshirt, Gobble-de-gook wasn't referring to "Tony Blair", >Gobble-de-gook was referring to that figment of his sadly lacking >imagination, 'Tony Bliar'.
In article <xn0oswxjwqmuwk002@post.eweka.nl>,
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
The people who think the new Conservative Party leader is
"far-right" clearly believe anything to the 'right' of Joseph
Stalin is "far-right"! Whilst the British Prime Minister Kier
Starmer is no more a traditional Labour socialist than I am.
For me, when I see him on the TV he comes across more like a
traditional Tory... just with a red tie! So political
spectrum labels don't really mean much when you've
politicians that would sell their granny to get power.
Sounds like Tony Bliar.
Yeah, I always thought Tony Blair came across as a red Tory too
but he did have a bit of charisma. I actually quite liked him...
I assumed that was deliberate on Dave's part. After the Iraq war/WMD
thing Tony Bliar was his nickname in some quarters... for being a liar.
(I suppose it seemed funny at the time.)