• Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security

    From The Natural Philosopher@21:1/5 to John McCue on Tue Oct 22 17:37:56 2024
    On 22/10/2024 15:05, John McCue wrote:
    followups trimmed to comp.os.linux.misc

    In comp.os.linux.misc bad sector <forgetski@_invalid.net> wrote:
    <snip>

    It's time for HW manufacturing (all development AND actual
    production) to return to the USA/CXanada and Europe.

    That will not fix anything, the real fix is somehow these
    companies need to stop chasing short-term profits that Wall
    Street demands. This issue happens when testing is cut
    short and if an issue is found, the hardware gets released
    anyway because "Wall Street" and profits and bonuses.


    There is always a tradeoff with any new technology. You can test it for
    30 years or you can use it and hope...


    --
    "When one man dies it's a tragedy. When thousands die it's statistics."

    Josef Stalin

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  • From bad sector@21:1/5 to John McCue on Tue Oct 22 16:57:35 2024
    On 10/22/24 10:05, John McCue wrote:
    followups trimmed to comp.os.linux.misc

    In comp.os.linux.misc bad sector <forgetski@_invalid.net> wrote:
    <snip>

    It's time for HW manufacturing (all development AND actual
    production) to return to the USA/CXanada and Europe.

    That will not fix anything, the real fix is somehow these
    companies need to stop chasing short-term profits that Wall
    Street demands. This issue happens when testing is cut
    short and if an issue is found, the hardware gets released
    anyway because "Wall Street" and profits and bonuses.

    I went through 3 imported Durgod keyboards in a short time (a few years)
    for an approximate total cost of about $400cad (last prices around 150).
    Just ordered a US made IBM clacker 'rebirth' for $200cad. Do the math
    (my last clacker lasted so long that it's the only keyboard I remember
    from the 90's).

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  • From Phillip Frabott@21:1/5 to bad sector on Wed Oct 23 08:24:26 2024
    On 10/22/2024 16:57, bad sector wrote:
    On 10/22/24 10:05, John McCue wrote:
    followups trimmed to comp.os.linux.misc

    In comp.os.linux.misc bad sector <forgetski@_invalid.net> wrote:
    <snip>

    It's time for HW manufacturing (all development AND actual
    production)  to return to the USA/CXanada and Europe.

    That will not fix anything, the real fix is somehow these
    companies need to stop chasing short-term profits that Wall
    Street demands.  This issue happens when testing is cut
    short and if an issue is found, the hardware gets released
    anyway because "Wall Street" and profits and bonuses.

    I went through 3 imported Durgod keyboards in a short time (a few years)
    for an approximate total cost of about $400cad (last prices around 150).
    Just ordered a US made IBM clacker 'rebirth' for $200cad. Do the math
    (my last clacker lasted so long that it's the only keyboard I remember
    from the 90's).



    Yup. Because US made will always be solid and durable. China is all
    about disposable. Even their own people prefer cheap disposable
    products. But here in the US, we'd prefer something that will last a
    long time. And we're willing to pay extra for it to last a long time.
    Because we know that the short term costs will always be more in the
    long term (disposable manufactured items) but the expensive short term
    will always lead to cheaper long term (durable manufactured items).

    Most people on the left are the ones that prefer cheap products (at
    least of those I talk to in the area I live) and it's funny how
    short-sighted they tend to be when it comes to their money. They can't
    think more then a month out. They really should learn to think 5+ years
    out. And buy things that are made in their own country that are durable
    and might cost a bit more because of it. It's cheaper long-term. There
    was a time where people had to 'save up' to buy something. That's a lost
    trait among the 'instant gratification' generation.

    --
    Phillip Frabott
    ----------
    - Adam: Is a void really a void if it returns?
    - Jack: No, it's just nullspace at that point.
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  • From Chris Ahlstrom@21:1/5 to Phillip Frabott on Wed Oct 23 09:07:17 2024
    Phillip Frabott wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

    Yup. Because US made will always be solid and durable. China is all
    about disposable. Even their own people prefer cheap disposable
    products. But here in the US, we'd prefer something that will last a
    long time. And we're willing to pay extra for it to last a long time.
    Because we know that the short term costs will always be more in the
    long term (disposable manufactured items) but the expensive short term
    will always lead to cheaper long term (durable manufactured items).

    Most people on the left are the ones that prefer cheap products (at
    least of those I talk to in the area I live) and it's funny how
    short-sighted they tend to be when it comes to their money. They can't
    think more then a month out. They really should learn to think 5+ years
    out. And buy things that are made in their own country that are durable
    and might cost a bit more because of it. It's cheaper long-term. There
    was a time where people had to 'save up' to buy something. That's a lost trait among the 'instant gratification' generation.

    You're paintin' with a pretty big brush there, brahmichari.

    --
    It is only people of small moral stature who have to stand on their dignity.

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  • From John McCue@21:1/5 to Phillip Frabott on Wed Oct 23 13:57:12 2024
    Phillip Frabott <nntp@fulltermprivacy.com> wrote:
    Yup. Because US made will always be solid and durable. China is all
    about disposable. Even their own people prefer cheap disposable
    products. But here in the US, we'd prefer something that will last a
    long time. And we're willing to pay extra for it to last a long time.
    <snip>

    I wish these political posts will stop, with that said
    I need to correct this and not ignore this false post.

    The above statement is easily disproved by looking
    at sales figures of Walmart and Walmart's sourcing
    most of their products from China and other countries
    that produce cheap items just for export to the US.

    Retail business that specialize in quality products have
    been having a hard time staying in business over the past
    40 years. By far, most people in the US calls these places
    "to expensive to shop at". For example, I remember Sears
    and Roebuck being tagged with that phrase decades ago,
    where are they now ?

    --
    [t]csh(1) - "An elegant shell, for a more... civilized age."
    - Paraphrasing Star Wars

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  • From Lawrence D'Oliveiro@21:1/5 to Phillip Frabott on Wed Oct 23 20:42:35 2024
    On Wed, 23 Oct 2024 08:24:26 -0400, Phillip Frabott wrote:

    Because US made will always be solid and durable.

    *cough* Boeing *cough*

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  • From Steve Hayes@21:1/5 to nntp@fulltermprivacy.com on Fri Oct 25 06:03:40 2024
    On Wed, 23 Oct 2024 08:24:26 -0400, Phillip Frabott
    <nntp@fulltermprivacy.com> wrote:

    On 10/22/2024 16:57, bad sector wrote:

    I went through 3 imported Durgod keyboards in a short time (a few years)
    for an approximate total cost of about $400cad (last prices around 150).
    Just ordered a US made IBM clacker 'rebirth' for $200cad. Do the math
    (my last clacker lasted so long that it's the only keyboard I remember
    from the 90's).



    Yup. Because US made will always be solid and durable. China is all
    about disposable. Even their own people prefer cheap disposable
    products. But here in the US, we'd prefer something that will last a
    long time. And we're willing to pay extra for it to last a long time.
    Because we know that the short term costs will always be more in the
    long term (disposable manufactured items) but the expensive short term
    will always lead to cheaper long term (durable manufactured items).

    I'd be willing to pay more for a keyboard that had the function keys
    on the left, where God intended.

    There was one brand of keyboard, North-something-or-other, that had
    both. I'd be willing to pay double for one of those.


    --
    Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
    Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm
    Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com
    E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk

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  • From Rich@21:1/5 to Steve Hayes on Fri Oct 25 11:28:56 2024
    Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote:
    On Wed, 23 Oct 2024 08:24:26 -0400, Phillip Frabott
    Yup. Because US made will always be solid and durable. China is all
    about disposable. Even their own people prefer cheap disposable
    products. But here in the US, we'd prefer something that will last a
    long time. And we're willing to pay extra for it to last a long
    time. Because we know that the short term costs will always be more
    in the long term (disposable manufactured items) but the expensive
    short term will always lead to cheaper long term (durable
    manufactured items).

    I'd be willing to pay more for a keyboard that had the function keys
    on the left, where God intended.

    There was one brand of keyboard, North-something-or-other, that had
    both. I'd be willing to pay double for one of those.

    That would be the Northgate OmniKey Ultra - typing this message out on
    one right now.

    https://www.thurrott.com/forums/general-discussion/hardware/thread/northgate-omnikey-ultra-keyboard-first-look

    Although the one in the above photo is the inverted-T version, mine's
    the cursor diamond version.

    I.e., the same model as pictured here:

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/286117140332

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  • From Lars Poulsen@21:1/5 to Paul on Sat Oct 26 00:48:23 2024
    On Fri, 25 Oct 2024 02:25:37 -0400, Paul wrote:
    Consider a conversation I had with an HR person once, over a beer.
    we were joking about something, and she tells me "when the resumes come
    in, if a tech worker has been out of work for a year, I just throw out
    their resume". She didn't read the resume, to find out what skills she
    is throwing away. That gives you some idea, of the opinion of HR to the
    state of the tech workers.

    H.R. departments' main value is to shield the corporations from
    commonsense liability. But they shield hiring managers from actually
    seeing the available talent pool, and since their knowledge base is
    employment law and risk mitigation, they know nothing about the field
    for which they are supposed to find available talent.

    Both hiring managers and job seekers are better served when they can
    manage to bypass H.R.

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