• Re: Additional emojis

    From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to Pamela on Mon May 12 19:22:41 2025
    XPost: uk.telecom.mobile

    Pamela wrote:

    Is there a way to install additional emojis, without replacing the
    standard Android keyboard or having a new app running in the
    background?

    Additional emoji are generally added by android updates after they've
    been added to unicode

    I sometimes use emojis in messages, but those which came with my phone
    are too limited and many seem chosen for school children.

    If you go "adding your own" how do you know your recipient is likely to
    have them at the other end?

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  • From Woody@21:1/5 to Andy Burns on Tue May 13 19:26:40 2025
    XPost: uk.telecom.mobile

    On Mon 12/05/2025 19:22, Andy Burns wrote:
    Pamela wrote:

    Is there a way to install additional emojis, without replacing the
    standard Android keyboard or having a new app running in the
    background?

    Additional emoji are generally added by android updates after they've
    been added to unicode

    I sometimes use emojis in messages, but those which came with my phone
    are too limited and many seem chosen for school children.

    If you go "adding your own" how do you know your recipient is likely to
    have them at the other end?



    Don't forget that adding an emoji to a text message makes the whole
    message be sent in double rate, i.e. you only get 80 characters instead
    of 160.

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to Woody on Tue May 13 19:28:56 2025
    XPost: uk.telecom.mobile

    Woody wrote:

    Don't forget that adding an emoji to a text message makes the whole
    message be sent in double rate, i.e. you only get 80 characters instead
    of 160.

    Yes, but even dumbphones are capable of stitching multiple text messages
    into a longer one.

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  • From micky@21:1/5 to pamela.private.mailbox@gmail.com on Tue May 13 17:00:45 2025
    XPost: uk.telecom.mobile

    In comp.mobile.android, on Mon, 12 May 2025 19:18:49 +0100, Pamela <pamela.private.mailbox@gmail.com> wrote:

    Is there a way to install additional emojis, without replacing the
    standard Android keyboard or having a new app running in the
    background?

    I sometimes use emojis in messages, but those which came with my phone
    are too limited and many seem chosen for school children.

    Hey, what's wrong with that?

    Timmy

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  • From Roger@21:1/5 to harrogate3@ntlworld.com on Tue May 13 22:31:09 2025
    XPost: uk.telecom.mobile

    On Tue, 13 May 2025 19:26:40 +0100, Woody
    <harrogate3@ntlworld.com> wrote:

    On Mon 12/05/2025 19:22, Andy Burns wrote:
    Pamela wrote:

    Is there a way to install additional emojis, without replacing the
    standard Android keyboard or having a new app running in the
    background?

    Additional emoji are generally added by android updates after they've
    been added to unicode

    I sometimes use emojis in messages, but those which came with my phone
    are too limited and many seem chosen for school children.

    If you go "adding your own" how do you know your recipient is likely to
    have them at the other end?



    Don't forget that adding an emoji to a text message makes the whole
    message be sent in double rate, i.e. you only get 80 characters instead
    of 160.

    Pedant alert. Actually that's 140 octets. 7-bit encoding means
    that a message can have 160 characters. 16-bit encoding limits
    a message to 70 characters. Multipart messages have a 6 octet
    header to permit the receiving handset to put the messages
    together leaving 134 octets in each part for the actual message.
    --
    Roger

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  • From Frank Slootweg@21:1/5 to Woody on Wed May 14 11:30:53 2025
    XPost: uk.telecom.mobile

    Woody <harrogate3@ntlworld.com> wrote:
    On Mon 12/05/2025 19:22, Andy Burns wrote:
    Pamela wrote:

    Is there a way to install additional emojis, without replacing the
    standard Android keyboard or having a new app running in the
    background?

    Additional emoji are generally added by android updates after they've
    been added to unicode

    I sometimes use emojis in messages, but those which came with my phone
    are too limited and many seem chosen for school children.

    If you go "adding your own" how do you know your recipient is likely to have them at the other end?



    Don't forget that adding an emoji to a text message makes the whole
    message be sent in double rate, i.e. you only get 80 characters instead
    of 160.

    That may be so, but Pamela only mentioned "messages", not SMS ('text') messages per se. So these "messages" might be - and probably are - any
    *other* (non-SMS) kind of messages, especially as Pamela (cross)posted
    to a UK group. In the non-US/NA world, sending SMS messages is quite
    uncommon since many years.

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  • From Carlos E.R.@21:1/5 to Pamela on Wed May 14 18:03:34 2025
    XPost: uk.telecom.mobile

    On 2025-05-12 20:18, Pamela wrote:
    Is there a way to install additional emojis, without replacing the
    standard Android keyboard or having a new app running in the
    background?

    I sometimes use emojis in messages, but those which came with my phone
    are too limited and many seem chosen for school children.

    The problem is that you need to have the same set of emojis at the
    recipients side as well. All participants in the conversation need to
    have the same set.

    Besides that, the recipients might have the same set drawn differently,
    as very old people smiling or whatever, so no longer kids :-p

    --
    Cheers, Carlos.

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to Pamela on Fri May 16 07:49:32 2025
    XPost: uk.telecom.mobile

    Pamela wrote:

    Isn't the emoji sent along with the message text, perhaps as a bitmap
    image?
    Are all letter "A"s sent along as a bitmap?

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to Pamela on Fri May 16 12:02:57 2025
    XPost: uk.telecom.mobile

    Pamela wrote:

    So if emojis are generated locally then all the more reason not to use
    them. I already get lost amongst the subtle differences between
    smileys, and additional local variation would make them more ambiguous in some conversations.

    They only get updated every year or two, "normal" emoji are safe enough
    to expect will be rendered as you expect

    the most recent additions to android/apple were in september 2023

    <https://unicode.org/emoji/charts-15.1/emoji-released.html>

    more fruit and veg to be misused as sexual metaphors, coming some time
    in 2025

    <https://unicode.org/emoji/charts-16.0/emoji-released.html>

    These are beta versions, not yet released despite the URL.

    <https://unicode.org/emoji/charts-17.0/emoji-released.html>

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  • From David Woolley@21:1/5 to Pamela on Fri May 16 12:08:35 2025
    XPost: uk.telecom.mobile

    On 15/05/2025 23:36, Pamela wrote:
    Isn't the emoji sent along with the message text, perhaps as a bitmap
    image?

    They are sent as characters codes <https://unicode.org/emoji/charts/full-emoji-list.html> or code
    sequences <https://unicode.org/emoji/charts/full-emoji-modifiers.html>.

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  • From Carlos E. R.@21:1/5 to Pamela on Sat May 17 14:57:06 2025
    XPost: uk.telecom.mobile

    On 2025-05-17 14:07, Pamela wrote:
    On 12:08 16 May 2025, David Woolley said:
    On 15/05/2025 23:36, Pamela wrote:


    Isn't the emoji sent along with the message text, perhaps as a
    bitmap image?

    They are sent as characters codes

    <https://unicode.org/emoji/charts/full-emoji-list.html> or code
    sequences
    <https://unicode.org/emoji/charts/full-emoji-modifiers.html>.

    If the emoji graphic is stored locally then (IMHO) they are much tinier
    and more indistinct than necessary.

    In WhatsApp we can send large emoji. It is the same one, actually.

    --
    Cheers,
    Carlos E.R.

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  • From David Woolley@21:1/5 to Pamela on Sat May 17 16:12:16 2025
    XPost: uk.telecom.mobile

    On 17/05/2025 13:07, Pamela wrote:
    If the emoji graphic is stored locally then (IMHO) they are much tinier
    and more indistinct than necessary.

    For Android, the font is Noto Color Emoji, which is an outline font, not
    a bitmap one, so there is no specific size. It is up to the local
    application to choose how big to make them.

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to David Woolley on Sat May 17 16:54:12 2025
    XPost: uk.telecom.mobile

    David Woolley wrote:

    Pamela wrote:
    If the emoji graphic is stored locally then (IMHO) they are much tinier
    and more indistinct than necessary.

    For Android, the font is Noto Color Emoji, which is an outline font, not
    a bitmap one, so there is no specific size.  It is up to the local application to choose how big to make them.

    Within Google Messages (and likely other apps) you can pinch-zoom to get
    larger text and emojis

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  • From Owen@21:1/5 to David Woolley on Sat May 17 22:45:29 2025
    XPost: uk.telecom.mobile

    On 17/05/2025 16:12, David Woolley wrote:
    On 17/05/2025 13:07, Pamela wrote:

    If the emoji graphic is stored locally then (IMHO) they are much tinier
    and more indistinct than necessary.

    For Android, the font is Noto Color Emoji,

    Samsung devies and some Android apps use their own emoji fonts. We have
    not heard what Pamela is using.

    which is an outline font, not
    a bitmap one, so there is no specific size.

    Older versions of Noto Color Emoji use the CBDT/CBLC format which is a
    bitmap one. We have not heard what Pamela is using.

    It is up to the local
    application to choose how big to make them.

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  • From Owen@21:1/5 to Pamela on Sat May 17 22:45:29 2025
    XPost: uk.telecom.mobile

    On 15/05/2025 23:36, Pamela wrote:

    Isn't the emoji sent along with the message text, perhaps as a bitmap
    image?

    For that you want "stickers", not "emoji".

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