How much does your system clock (not hardware clock) drift?

I boot my GNU/Linux machines regularly and at each boot I set
the system clock (and also the hardware clock) from the time
servers at NIST using openrdate:

https://github.com/resurrecting-open-source-projects/openrdate

Openrdate will report a drift of about 0.7 seconds per day for all
of my machines.

How much does your system clock drift?

Of course, using a standalone desktop workstation, such drift
is of no consequence. I could set the system clock far more
frequently but what the fuck for?

How much does your system clock drift?

Can the distro lackeys even know?

Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!



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Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> wrote at 19:18 this Thursday (GMT):

How much does your system clock (not hardware clock) drift?

I boot my GNU/Linux machines regularly and at each boot I set
the system clock (and also the hardware clock) from the time
servers at NIST using openrdate:

https://github.com/resurrecting-open-source-projects/openrdate

Openrdate will report a drift of about 0.7 seconds per day for all
of my machines.

How much does your system clock drift?

Of course, using a standalone desktop workstation, such drift
is of no consequence. I could set the system clock far more
frequently but what the fuck for?

How much does your system clock drift?

Can the distro lackeys even know?

Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!

I believe most distros set the hardware clock automatically based on the
UTC time fetched from ntp, so hw clock drift would be fixed
automatically anyways.. unless you're offline for an extended time.
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Le 08-05-2025, Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> a écrit :

How much does your system clock (not hardware clock) drift?

For my hardware, don't know and I don't care. For my system: it doesn't
drift. The ntp is there to prevent it. And it works fine out of the box.

I boot my GNU/Linux machines regularly and at each boot I set
the system clock (and also the hardware clock) from the time
servers at NIST using openrdate:

https://github.com/resurrecting-open-source-projects/openrdate

Openrdate will report a drift of about 0.7 seconds per day for all
of my machines.

All of your machines drift at the same level? It's hard to believe. It
mostly look like you made up the value.

How much does your system clock drift?

I told you: it doesn't. Even my watch, not connected to Internet,
doesn't drift as much as your machines. You should learn how to manage
your system properly.

Of course, using a standalone desktop workstation, such drift
is of no consequence. I could set the system clock far more
frequently but what the fuck for?

If you don't care, why do you bring the subject?

How much does your system clock drift?

For the third time, my system doesn't drift. Why do you ask the same
question three time if it's of no consequence?

Can the distro lackeys even know?

Of course I know. And a default ntp configuration of any distro lackey
works more properly than your computers. You should remember the simple sentence: "if it ain't broke, don't fix it."

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On Fri, 09 May 2025 17:25:03 -0400, Joel wrote:

Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> wrote:

Le 08-05-2025, Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> a écrit :

Can the distro lackeys even know?

Of course I know. And a default ntp configuration of any distro lackey >>works more properly than your computers. You should remember the simple >>sentence: "if it ain't broke, don't fix it."

Burn! You used an American English saying that way, despite being
French, and Larry is just left to feel like a fucking lame loser, which
he apparently will always be.

There is the equally important 'if you don't understand it, don't fuck
with it.'

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On 09 May 2025 21:19:57 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:

For my system: it doesn't drift.

Yes it does. All PCs will drift.

The ntp is there to prevent it. And it works fine out of the box.

That's the lackey answer.

The lackey doesn't know, doesn't care, and allows the distro
to do it all for him.

Because of the large numbers of lackeys that use GNU/Linux
many fine programs such as openrdate are going unmaintained:

https://github.com/resurrecting-open-source-projects/openrdate

How much does your system clock drift?

I told you: it doesn't.

And I told you that it does.

How much does your system clock drift?

For the third time, my system doesn't drift.

For the third time, yes it does.

Can the distro lackeys even know?

Of course I know. And a default ntp configuration of any distro lackey
works

Then you admit that you are a lackey.

Now listen. This group is intended for GNU/Linux _advocates_ and an
advocate is someone who knows and cares.

A lackey cannot be an advocate, so get out of here and don't come
back.




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Le 10-05-2025, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> a écrit :

On Fri, 09 May 2025 17:25:03 -0400, Joel wrote:

Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> wrote:

Le 08-05-2025, Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> a écrit :

Can the distro lackeys even know?

Of course I know. And a default ntp configuration of any distro lackey >>>works more properly than your computers. You should remember the simple >>>sentence: "if it ain't broke, don't fix it."

Burn! You used an American English saying that way, despite being
French, and Larry is just left to feel like a fucking lame loser, which
he apparently will always be.

There is the equally important 'if you don't understand it, don't fuck
with it.'

This one wouldn't work with LP/DP/FR/whatever because, even if every
message proves the opposite, he is sure he understands everything on his computers.

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Le 10-05-2025, Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> a écrit :

On 09 May 2025 21:19:57 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:

For my system: it doesn't drift.

Yes it does. All PCs will drift.

Nonononono. You precisely said you were speaking about systems and not
about hardware. All hardware drift, yes. But that wasn't your question:
you were precise about that. So, if you don't know the difference
between your system and your hardware, don't be precise.

The ntp is there to prevent it. And it works fine out of the box.

That's the lackey answer.

No, that's the technical correct answer. I already explained it to you
a long time ago but you are unable to learn anything.

The lackey doesn't know, doesn't care, and allows the distro
to do it all for him.

For a fact, you are the one who don't care. You wrote it. I care about
my system drift and I let it handle correctly my hardware drift. Can you
spot the difference?

Because of the large numbers of lackeys that use GNU/Linux
many fine programs such as openrdate are going unmaintained:

https://github.com/resurrecting-open-source-projects/openrdate

It's unmaintained because it's useless: ntp does a fine job by default.
No need for a tool which let the system drift and correct it from time
to time (maybe it does better than that: I don't have time to check all
of your obsolete tools).

How much does your system clock drift?

I told you: it doesn't.

And I told you that it does.

Because you don't understand how ntp works. But it doesn't prove you are
right: it proves you are clueless about how modern computers work.

How much does your system clock drift?

For the third time, my system doesn't drift.

For the third time, yes it does.

For the third time, you are wrong. My hardware drift, yes, but you
precisely said it wasn't about it. It's about my system, which doesn't
drift because ntp cares about my hardware drift. I know it's a little
bit difficult for you to understand. Read it again and again, it should
become clear sometime. You could also check about ntp, but I guess it's
too difficult for you.

Can the distro lackeys even know?

Of course I know. And a default ntp configuration of any distro lackey
works

Then you admit that you are a lackey.

I admit nothing. You consider anyone except you to be a lackey, so there
is no point arguing about that. I manage my computer, but a lot of
people don't care about how their system work: they just need to surf on Internet, read their emails and see their grandchild from time to time.
There is nothing wrong about that except in your vision of the world.
But your vision is shit, so there is nothing to argue about it. I'm only
using simple words you are able to understand. And in these simple
words, their default system work better than your clumsy joke of a
computer.

Now listen. This group is intended for GNU/Linux _advocates_ and an
advocate is someone who knows and cares.

I know and care. But I'm telling you: a lot of people outside of this
group don't care and their computers are better managed than yours.

A lackey cannot be an advocate,

For a fact, I met a lot of people switching from Windows to Linux being
better advocates of Linux than you (which is not very difficult, I can concede). So, no, a lackey can be a very good advocate.

so get out of here and don't come back.

You already said that, I'll answer the same: I do what I want and you
are powerless about it: your imaginary killer friends can't stop me,
your lack of brain can't stop me. You can repeat yourself as much as you
want: I'll stop coming here when I decide, not when you tell me to.

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On 10 May 2025 12:58:18 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:

Yes it does. All PCs will drift.

Nonononono. You precisely said you were speaking about systems and not
about hardware.

Yesyesyesyesyes.

The implication, as any INTELLIGENT person would discern, is that
any PC that is running GNU/Linux will drift in both the hardware
clock and the system clock.

The original question was: "How much drift?"

But you cannot answer because you don't control your own system.
Your distro does all the work. You are just a helpless observer.

I should also ask: "Does the clock correction include leap seconds?"

Again, you cannot answer. You could not ever know if your system time
includes leap seconds or not.

You are BLIND and HELPLESS. Your distro is your guide dog:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guide_dog





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Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> wrote:

On 10 May 2025 12:58:18 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:

Yes it does. All PCs will drift.

Nonononono. You precisely said you were speaking about systems and not
about hardware.

Yesyesyesyesyes.

The implication, as any INTELLIGENT person would discern, is that
any PC that is running GNU/Linux will drift in both the hardware
clock and the system clock.

No, you really don't understand. The hardware drift, there is no way
around that. We both agree.

Now, the solution is to check for an atomic clock who doesn't drift
because at the same time it's more precise and there are more than one
clock, so they can average the drift and stay stable. We both agree with
that.

That being said:
- your solution is the stupid one: you put the atomic time instead of
the old wrong time. On a workstation it's not very important. But it's
not good because when you check the logs, your system can go backward
in time or shift as if nothing happened during some time. As long as
you don't care about your system, you can live with it. But there
exist better alternatives one of which is, guess what: ntp.
- the ntp solution is the smart one. Instead of changing brutally the
clock with a nasty shift in the logs, it estimates the shift. And it
compensate to, at the same time, get the clock on time, avoid
shifts in the logs and avoid further shift on the system. So, on the
long run, a system managed by ntp doesn't drift.

How difficult can that be to understand? Even for you, it should be
easy. It works out of the box: just let the system do the default job
and it doesn't drift. Your system drifts because you mess with it: not
because you know better, but because you can't understand the basics.

The hardware drifts, yes, there is no way around. But the system can
estimate its drift and compensate for it. So, once again, unlike your
beliefs, my hardware drift but my system doesn't.

The original question was: "How much drift?"

Yes, and I answered that many times: it doesn't.

But you cannot answer because you don't control your own system.

Unlike you, I answered. My system doesn't drift. It's the right answer.
You don't accept it because it's far above your limited capacities, but
I answered it nevertheless.

And, when you say that all of your computers drift by 0.7s each day, I
don't believe it. At the same time it's huge for a modern clock and
there is no reason for all of your computers to drift that much at the
same level. So you have no clue about how your computers drift.

Your distro does all the work.

And it does it well. Unlike yours because you broke it.

You are just a helpless observer.

You'd love to be a helpless observer because, unlike me, you know your
system drift and you have no clue about it. You don't know how to
estimate it because you wouldn't need to put the same unbelievable
number for all of your computers. And you don't know how to handle it
because you would be using ntp like every sane person.

So, you can't observe anything because you don't know how to do it. And
you don't know how to fix the issue you have because you are too proud
to learn. Good job.

I should also ask: "Does the clock correction include leap seconds?"

Of course, ntp hadn't be created by you: it has been created by people
who know what they do.

Again, you cannot answer. You could not ever know if your system time >>includes leap seconds or not.

Of course my system does include leap seconds. There is nothing
difficult about it. The leap seconds are managed by atomic clocks, so
each time ntp checks the time, if a leap second have been included, it is
taken into account. There is nothing special to do about it. Globally,
there is less than a leap second by year, so there is nothing to say
about it.

Why do you try to make simple things look like they are complicated when
you don't even manage the basics?

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On 10 May 2025 10:25:56 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:

This one wouldn't work with LP/DP/FR/whatever because, even if every
message proves the opposite, he is sure he understands everything on his computers.

Dunning-Kruger. Half the time I'm in fake it till you make it mode. There
are things like dbus that I give a wide berth to. For that matter I'm not
too sure what freedesktop does for a living other than Fedora updates it frequently. As long as it works I don't care if it's init.d, systemd,
Xorg, Wayland, or any of the other stuff some people get exercised about.

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On 10 May 2025 16:09:58 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:

The hardware drifts, yes, there is no way around. But the system can
estimate its drift and compensate for it. So, once again, unlike your beliefs, my hardware drift but my system doesn't.

Both the hardware and system clocks will drift.

The hardware clock is maintained by the BIOS.

The system clock is maintained by counting the timer interrupts
and there are adjustments that can make this more accurate but
it will still drift.

That's why there is synchronization, usually, but not only,
with NTP time servers.

The issue becomes how often does the system clock need to be
synchronized. I do this at each boot using openrdate. The
distros probably do it much more often. I could also do it
more often but I choose not to do so.

There is no need for me to sync frequently. File time stamps
will never be more than a second or two off and that is of no
consequence.

But the important fact is that _I_ choose to do it. I do not
follow any distro but make my own decisions.

Of course my system does include leap seconds.

What does this command output:

TZ='/usr/share/zoneinfo/GMT' date +%s --date="May 10 2025"

It should output "1746835227." If not then your system does
not include leap seconds.





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On 10 May 2025 19:51:44 GMT, rbowman wrote:

As long as it works I don't care if it's init.d, systemd,
Xorg, Wayland, or any of the other stuff some people get exercised about.

That's because you are just a fatuous freeloader.

A true computing craftsman and connoisseur, however, takes an
extremely active role in the inner workings of his machine.



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Joel wrote:

Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> wrote:

On 10 May 2025 12:58:18 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:

Yes it does. All PCs will drift.

Nonononono. You precisely said you were speaking about systems and not
about hardware.

Yesyesyesyesyes.

The implication, as any INTELLIGENT person would discern, is that
any PC that is running GNU/Linux will drift in both the hardware
clock and the system clock.

The original question was: "How much drift?"

But you cannot answer because you don't control your own system.
Your distro does all the work. You are just a helpless observer.

I should also ask: "Does the clock correction include leap seconds?"

Again, you cannot answer. You could not ever know if your system time
includes leap seconds or not.

You are BLIND and HELPLESS. Your distro is your guide dog:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guide_dog

Get a fucking life, sheesh.

Get a fucking job, you lazy wankstain.

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Joel wrote:

Rudy Canoza <rudy.c@kone.net> wrote:

Get a fucking job, you lazy wankstain.

I work very hard, dumbshit.

You collect welfare you fucking mooch.

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rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote at 19:51 this Saturday (GMT):

On 10 May 2025 10:25:56 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:

This one wouldn't work with LP/DP/FR/whatever because, even if every
message proves the opposite, he is sure he understands everything on his
computers.

Dunning-Kruger. Half the time I'm in fake it till you make it mode. There are things like dbus that I give a wide berth to. For that matter I'm not
too sure what freedesktop does for a living other than Fedora updates it frequently. As long as it works I don't care if it's init.d, systemd,
Xorg, Wayland, or any of the other stuff some people get exercised about.

I prefer Xorg, mostly because of some old x apps I use and the X
compatibility being a bit shaky.
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Joel wrote:

Rudy Canoza <rudy.c@kone.net> wrote:

Get a fucking job, you lazy wankstain.

I work very hard, dumbshit.

You collect welfare you fucking mooch.

It's not welfare, you fucking moron, it's earned, I earned the SSDI
when I worked, my parents earned the rest. Fuck you.

You're a mooch on society you lazy pillow biter.

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On 2025-05-11 16:14, Rudy Canoza wrote:

Joel wrote:

Rudy Canoza <rudy.c@kone.net> wrote:

Get a fucking job, you lazy wankstain.

I work very hard, dumbshit.

You collect welfare you fucking mooch.

It's not welfare, you fucking moron, it's earned, I earned the SSDI
when I worked, my parents earned the rest.  Fuck you.

You're a mooch on society you lazy pillow biter.

ROFL.

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On 10 May 2025 16:09:58 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:

Now, the solution is to check for an atomic clock who doesn't drift
because at the same time it's more precise and there are more than one
clock, so they can average the drift and stay stable.

Every clock drifts. It’s just that an atomic clock drifts less than a
quartz one.

You can reduce the random error by averaging over multiple clocks. For
example, if you have 10 clocks, all with the same random error rate, then
by averaging their readings, you can achieve greater accuracy by a factor
of √10 ≅ 3.

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Joel wrote:

Rudy Canoza <rudy.c@kone.net> wrote:

Get a fucking job, you lazy wankstain.

I work very hard, dumbshit.

You collect welfare you fucking mooch.

It's not welfare, you fucking moron, it's earned, I earned the SSDI
when I worked, my parents earned the rest. Fuck you.

You're a mooch on society you lazy pillow biter.

No, I'm not. I'm doing what I'm supposed to be doing. You are just a fucking dumbshit cracker running Win8 without even the 8.1 update,
you're a doofus. You're nothing. I'm on the front lines of what's
happening in the world, you're trolling Usenet in 2025 like a
goofball.

You're not only a lazy mooch on society you're also
clueless since I'm on Windows 10, not 8. And even if
you were right it wouldn't change the fact that you
sit on your lazy ass mooching instead of getting a
job.

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Joel wrote:

CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:

On 2025-05-11 16:14, Rudy Canoza wrote:

Joel wrote:

Rudy Canoza <rudy.c@kone.net> wrote:

Get a fucking job, you lazy wankstain.

I work very hard, dumbshit.

You collect welfare you fucking mooch.

It's not welfare, you fucking moron, it's earned, I earned the SSDI
when I worked, my parents earned the rest.  Fuck you.

You're a mooch on society you lazy pillow biter.

ROFL.

A dummy like you would find that funny, heh.

The truth hurts a lazy fuckwit sissy like you.

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Joel wrote:
Rudy Canoza <rudy.c@kone.net> wrote:

User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.2; WOW64; rv:128.0)

Gecko/20100101 Firefox/128.0 SeaMonkey/2.53.20

You're not only a lazy mooch on society you're also
clueless since I'm on Windows 10, not 8. And even if
you were right it wouldn't change the fact that you
sit on your lazy ass mooching instead of getting a
job.

Why does your header say you're running Win8 if you aren't?>

Here's my OS capture after running the winver command:

https://postimg.cc/GHRLSbkV

Now, stop changing the topic from you being
a lazy SSI collecting mooch on society, you
clueless wanker.

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On Mon, 12 May 2025 04:14:35 -0400, Rudy Canoza <rudy.c@kone.net> wrote in <183eb98280bdbe81$93449$2706$26dd2c6e@news.thecubenet.com>:

Joel wrote:
Rudy Canoza <rudy.c@kone.net> wrote:

User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.2; WOW64; rv:128.0)

Gecko/20100101 Firefox/128.0 SeaMonkey/2.53.20

You're not only a lazy mooch on society you're also clueless since
I'm on Windows 10, not 8. And even if you were right it wouldn't
change the fact that you sit on your lazy ass mooching instead of
getting a job.

Why does your header say you're running Win8 if you aren't?>

Here's my OS capture after running the winver command:

https://postimg.cc/GHRLSbkV

Better get off the stick and upgrade before your OS goes EOL.

BTW: Win11 isn't an upgrade, you're going to want to go with
Linux. (You know you do.)

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Joel wrote:

Rudy Canoza <rudy.c@kone.net> wrote:

Why does your header say you're running Win8 if you aren't?>

Here's my OS capture after running the winver command:

https://postimg.cc/GHRLSbkV

If you say so.

Now, stop changing the topic from you being
a lazy SSI collecting mooch on society, you
clueless wanker.

I *DON'T* get SSI, I make too much *earned* income for that, because
of my parents.

You've admitted to mooching off the government dole, so what's
your supposed disability, a mental one, you lazy wankstain?

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vallor wrote:

On Mon, 12 May 2025 04:14:35 -0400, Rudy Canoza <rudy.c@kone.net> wrote in <183eb98280bdbe81$93449$2706$26dd2c6e@news.thecubenet.com>:

Joel wrote:
Rudy Canoza <rudy.c@kone.net> wrote:
>
>> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.2; WOW64; rv:128.0)
Gecko/20100101 Firefox/128.0 SeaMonkey/2.53.20
>>>
>> You're not only a lazy mooch on society you're also clueless since
>> I'm on Windows 10, not 8. And even if you were right it wouldn't
>> change the fact that you sit on your lazy ass mooching instead of
>> getting a job.
>
>
> Why does your header say you're running Win8 if you aren't?>
>
Here's my OS capture after running the winver command:

https://postimg.cc/GHRLSbkV

Better get off the stick and upgrade before your OS goes EOL.

BTW: Win11 isn't an upgrade, you're going to want to go with
Linux. (You know you do.)

Better fuck off, asshat.

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On Mon, 12 May 2025 09:28:33 -0400, Rudy Canoza <rudy.c@kone.net> wrote in <183ecaa465e86492$85888$647894$2add206e@news.thecubenet.com>:

vallor wrote:

On Mon, 12 May 2025 04:14:35 -0400, Rudy Canoza <rudy.c@kone.net> wrote
in <183eb98280bdbe81$93449$2706$26dd2c6e@news.thecubenet.com>:

Joel wrote:
Rudy Canoza <rudy.c@kone.net> wrote:
>
>> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.2; WOW64; rv:128.0)
Gecko/20100101 Firefox/128.0 SeaMonkey/2.53.20
>>>
>> You're not only a lazy mooch on society you're also clueless
>> since I'm on Windows 10, not 8. And even if you were right it
>> wouldn't change the fact that you sit on your lazy ass mooching
>> instead of getting a job.
>
>
> Why does your header say you're running Win8 if you aren't?>
>
Here's my OS capture after running the winver command:

https://postimg.cc/GHRLSbkV

Better get off the stick and upgrade before your OS goes EOL.

BTW: Win11 isn't an upgrade, you're going to want to go with Linux.
(You know you do.)

Better fuck off, asshat.

Is that the best you can do?

You know you want to run Linux like all the cool kids do.

Failing to even try it only shows the weakness of your
technical prowess...such as it is.

--
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OS: Linux 6.14.6 Release: Mint 22.1 Mem: 258G
"Gentlemen, you can't fight in here, this is the War Room!"

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vallor wrote:

On Mon, 12 May 2025 09:28:33 -0400, Rudy Canoza <rudy.c@kone.net> wrote in <183ecaa465e86492$85888$647894$2add206e@news.thecubenet.com>:

vallor wrote:

On Mon, 12 May 2025 04:14:35 -0400, Rudy Canoza <rudy.c@kone.net> wrote
in <183eb98280bdbe81$93449$2706$26dd2c6e@news.thecubenet.com>:

Joel wrote:
Rudy Canoza <rudy.c@kone.net> wrote:
>
>> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.2; WOW64; rv:128.0)
Gecko/20100101 Firefox/128.0 SeaMonkey/2.53.20
>>>
>> You're not only a lazy mooch on society you're also clueless
>> since I'm on Windows 10, not 8. And even if you were right it
>> wouldn't change the fact that you sit on your lazy ass mooching
>> instead of getting a job.
>
>
> Why does your header say you're running Win8 if you aren't?>
>
Here's my OS capture after running the winver command:

https://postimg.cc/GHRLSbkV

Better get off the stick and upgrade before your OS goes EOL.

BTW: Win11 isn't an upgrade, you're going to want to go with Linux.
(You know you do.)

Better fuck off, asshat.

Is that the best you can do?

You know you want to run Linux like all the cool kids do.

You mean like that pillow biting Joel queer, *you* may
consider that lazy SSI mooching poofter cool but I certainly
don't.

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On Mon, 12 May 2025 10:27:04 -0400, Rudy Canoza <rudy.c@kone.net> wrote in <183ecdd5c410e8c8$51003$4491$6add606a@news.thecubenet.com>:

vallor wrote:

On Mon, 12 May 2025 09:28:33 -0400, Rudy Canoza <rudy.c@kone.net> wrote
in <183ecaa465e86492$85888$647894$2add206e@news.thecubenet.com>:

vallor wrote:

On Mon, 12 May 2025 04:14:35 -0400, Rudy Canoza <rudy.c@kone.net>
wrote in <183eb98280bdbe81$93449$2706$26dd2c6e@news.thecubenet.com>:

Joel wrote:
Rudy Canoza <rudy.c@kone.net> wrote:
>
>> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.2; WOW64; rv:128.0)
Gecko/20100101 Firefox/128.0 SeaMonkey/2.53.20
>>>
>> You're not only a lazy mooch on society you're also clueless
>> since I'm on Windows 10, not 8. And even if you were right it
>> wouldn't change the fact that you sit on your lazy ass
>> mooching instead of getting a job.
>
>
> Why does your header say you're running Win8 if you aren't?>
>
Here's my OS capture after running the winver command:

https://postimg.cc/GHRLSbkV

Better get off the stick and upgrade before your OS goes EOL.

BTW: Win11 isn't an upgrade, you're going to want to go with Linux.
(You know you do.)

Better fuck off, asshat.

Is that the best you can do?

You know you want to run Linux like all the cool kids do.

You mean like that pillow biting Joel queer, *you* may consider that
lazy SSI mooching poofter cool but I certainly don't.

You left out the part of my post that read:

] Failing to even try it only shows the weakness of your technical
] prowess...such as it is.

Because you're _scared_, aren't you? Huh? Right?

Big tough keyboard warrior won't even boot a Mint stick. Bwahahaha.

--
-v System76 Thelio Mega v1.1 x86_64 NVIDIA RTX 3090 Ti
OS: Linux 6.14.6 Release: Mint 22.1 Mem: 258G
"Does killing time damage eternity?"

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In article <m8eg7bFrh2oU3@mid.individual.net>, vallor@cultnix.org says...

On Mon, 12 May 2025 10:27:04 -0400, Rudy Canoza <rudy.c@kone.net> wrote in <183ecdd5c410e8c8$51003$4491$6add606a@news.thecubenet.com>:

vallor wrote:

On Mon, 12 May 2025 09:28:33 -0400, Rudy Canoza <rudy.c@kone.net> wrote
in <183ecaa465e86492$85888$647894$2add206e@news.thecubenet.com>:

vallor wrote:

On Mon, 12 May 2025 04:14:35 -0400, Rudy Canoza <rudy.c@kone.net>
wrote in <183eb98280bdbe81$93449$2706$26dd2c6e@news.thecubenet.com>: >>>>

Joel wrote:
Rudy Canoza <rudy.c@kone.net> wrote:
>
>> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.2; WOW64; rv:128.0)
Gecko/20100101 Firefox/128.0 SeaMonkey/2.53.20
>>>
>> You're not only a lazy mooch on society you're also clueless >>>>> >> since I'm on Windows 10, not 8. And even if you were right it >>>>> >> wouldn't change the fact that you sit on your lazy ass
>> mooching instead of getting a job.
>
>
> Why does your header say you're running Win8 if you aren't?>
>
Here's my OS capture after running the winver command:

https://postimg.cc/GHRLSbkV

Better get off the stick and upgrade before your OS goes EOL.

BTW: Win11 isn't an upgrade, you're going to want to go with Linux. >>>> (You know you do.)

Better fuck off, asshat.

Is that the best you can do?

You know you want to run Linux like all the cool kids do.

You mean like that pillow biting Joel queer, *you* may consider that
lazy SSI mooching poofter cool but I certainly don't.

You left out the part of my post that read:

] Failing to even try it only shows the weakness of your technical
] prowess...such as it is.

Because you're _scared_, aren't you? Huh? Right?

Big tough keyboard warrior won't even boot a Mint stick. Bwahahaha.

I've been using that new mint flavored contraceptive taken before sex, it's called predickamints.

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vallor wrote:

On Mon, 12 May 2025 10:27:04 -0400, Rudy Canoza <rudy.c@kone.net> wrote in <183ecdd5c410e8c8$51003$4491$6add606a@news.thecubenet.com>:

vallor wrote:

On Mon, 12 May 2025 09:28:33 -0400, Rudy Canoza <rudy.c@kone.net> wrote
in <183ecaa465e86492$85888$647894$2add206e@news.thecubenet.com>:

vallor wrote:

On Mon, 12 May 2025 04:14:35 -0400, Rudy Canoza <rudy.c@kone.net>
wrote in <183eb98280bdbe81$93449$2706$26dd2c6e@news.thecubenet.com>: >>>>>

Joel wrote:
Rudy Canoza <rudy.c@kone.net> wrote:
>
>> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.2; WOW64; rv:128.0)
Gecko/20100101 Firefox/128.0 SeaMonkey/2.53.20
>>>
>> You're not only a lazy mooch on society you're also clueless >>>>>> >> since I'm on Windows 10, not 8. And even if you were right it >>>>>> >> wouldn't change the fact that you sit on your lazy ass
>> mooching instead of getting a job.
>
>
> Why does your header say you're running Win8 if you aren't?> >>>>>> >
Here's my OS capture after running the winver command:

https://postimg.cc/GHRLSbkV

Better get off the stick and upgrade before your OS goes EOL.

BTW: Win11 isn't an upgrade, you're going to want to go with Linux. >>>>> (You know you do.)

Better fuck off, asshat.

Is that the best you can do?

You know you want to run Linux like all the cool kids do.

You mean like that pillow biting Joel queer, *you* may consider that
lazy SSI mooching poofter cool but I certainly don't.

Big tough keyboard warrior

Yes, that describes lazy ass sissy Joel very well. You're learning quick.

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Scott Doty wrote:

In article <m8eg7bFrh2oU3@mid.individual.net>, vallor@cultnix.org says...

On Mon, 12 May 2025 10:27:04 -0400, Rudy Canoza <rudy.c@kone.net> wrote in >> <183ecdd5c410e8c8$51003$4491$6add606a@news.thecubenet.com>:

vallor wrote:

On Mon, 12 May 2025 09:28:33 -0400, Rudy Canoza <rudy.c@kone.net> wrote >>>> in <183ecaa465e86492$85888$647894$2add206e@news.thecubenet.com>:

vallor wrote:

On Mon, 12 May 2025 04:14:35 -0400, Rudy Canoza <rudy.c@kone.net>
wrote in <183eb98280bdbe81$93449$2706$26dd2c6e@news.thecubenet.com>: >>>>>>

Joel wrote:
Rudy Canoza <rudy.c@kone.net> wrote:
>
>> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.2; WOW64; rv:128.0) >>>>>>> Gecko/20100101 Firefox/128.0 SeaMonkey/2.53.20
>>>
>> You're not only a lazy mooch on society you're also clueless >>>>>>> >> since I'm on Windows 10, not 8. And even if you were right it >>>>>>> >> wouldn't change the fact that you sit on your lazy ass
>> mooching instead of getting a job.
>
>
> Why does your header say you're running Win8 if you aren't?> >>>>>>> >
Here's my OS capture after running the winver command:

https://postimg.cc/GHRLSbkV

Better get off the stick and upgrade before your OS goes EOL.

BTW: Win11 isn't an upgrade, you're going to want to go with Linux. >>>>>> (You know you do.)

Better fuck off, asshat.

Is that the best you can do?

You know you want to run Linux like all the cool kids do.

You mean like that pillow biting Joel queer, *you* may consider that
lazy SSI mooching poofter cool but I certainly don't.

You left out the part of my post that read:

] Failing to even try it only shows the weakness of your technical
] prowess...such as it is.

Because you're _scared_, aren't you? Huh? Right?

Big tough keyboard warrior won't even boot a Mint stick. Bwahahaha.

I've been using that new mint flavored contraceptive taken before sex, it's called predickamints.

What sort of cow would bang you, fat boy?

https://postimg.cc/rRKhrnyk

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On 2025-05-12 10:27, Rudy Canoza wrote:

vallor wrote:

On Mon, 12 May 2025 09:28:33 -0400, Rudy Canoza <rudy.c@kone.net>
wrote in
<183ecaa465e86492$85888$647894$2add206e@news.thecubenet.com>:

vallor wrote:

On Mon, 12 May 2025 04:14:35 -0400, Rudy Canoza <rudy.c@kone.net> wrote >>>> in <183eb98280bdbe81$93449$2706$26dd2c6e@news.thecubenet.com>:

Joel wrote:
Rudy Canoza <rudy.c@kone.net> wrote:
   >
   >> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.2; WOW64; rv:128.0)
Gecko/20100101 Firefox/128.0 SeaMonkey/2.53.20
   >>>
   >> You're not only a lazy mooch on society you're also clueless >>>>>    >> since I'm on Windows 10, not 8. And even if you were right it >>>>>    >> wouldn't change the fact that you sit on your lazy ass mooching >>>>>    >> instead of getting a job.
   >
   >
   > Why does your header say you're running Win8 if you aren't?>
   >
Here's my OS capture after running the winver command:

https://postimg.cc/GHRLSbkV

Better get off the stick and upgrade before your OS goes EOL.

BTW:  Win11 isn't an upgrade, you're going to want to go with Linux.
(You know you do.)

Better fuck off, asshat.

Is that the best you can do?

You know you want to run Linux like all the cool kids do.

You mean like that pillow biting Joel queer, *you* may
consider that lazy SSI mooching poofter cool but I certainly
don't.

While the recommendations of both vallor and Joel probably won't
convince you, perhaps the common problems faced with using Windows 10/11
will. I keep a document reminding me _why_ I decided to move to Linux
and not look back. I was always moving back to Windows after a while,
but this time around, I seriously got fed up.

1) The system files constantly break which results in instability,
slowdown and unresponsiveness unless you remember to SFC /scannow and
DISM /Online /Cleanup-Image /REstoreHealth every week or so.

2) NTFS's likelihood of corrupting means that your personal files are
routinely going to be lost.

3) Edge can't be removed and it is becoming impossible to use Windows
without a Microsoft account.

4) Microsoft enables BitLocker without asking you and this encryption
system results in a very noticeable performance drop from the storage.

5) Running an external monitor with a laptop results in the screen
flashing constantly if you decide to open an application which handles
DRM content.

6) Regardless of how powerful your machine is, the experience of using
Windows never seems to speed up. Experts point to the fact that every
click and keystroke is recorded by the corporation and its partners as
the reason.

7) When installing the operating system with a different version of
English, like Canadian English, the operating system ignores your choice
of keyboard layout and forces you to have American English and the US
English keyboard layout.

8) Windows 11's requirement of a TPM chip has prompted AMD to provide
this functionality through a virtual TPM tied to its processor. The
result is that you will experience periodic fTPM stuttering which is
very noticeable in games or when watching movies. While BIOS updates are supposed to fix the problem, they are rarely deployed for laptops. Even
then, people say the problem remains. The only permanent solution is the installation of a discrete TPM chip which can only be done on desktop
machines that have motherboards supporting one. In Linux, the random
number generation functionality the TPM is used for is disabled and the
problem is neutralized for everyone across the board.

At some point, people need to stop tolerating how Microsoft and Windows
abuse them and choose a better path.

--
God be with you,

CrudeSausage
KDE & LibreOffice supporter
John 14:6

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Le 12-05-2025, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> a écrit :

On 10 May 2025 16:09:58 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:

Now, the solution is to check for an atomic clock who doesn't drift
because at the same time it's more precise and there are more than one
clock, so they can average the drift and stay stable.

Every clock drifts. It’s just that an atomic clock drifts less than a quartz one.

Yes. I should have said more precisely, that the ntp doesn't check about
one atomic cloak hardware but to the atomic clock system, which is more precise.

You can reduce the random error by averaging over multiple clocks. For example, if you have 10 clocks, all with the same random error rate, then
by averaging their readings, you can achieve greater accuracy by a factor
of √10 ≅ 3.

Agreed, but it's so precise, I will never been able to see the drift
during my life. In practice, I can consider it doesn't drift.

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