• Urban Exploration

    From warmfuzzy@700:100/37 to All on Tue Sep 10 22:55:37 2024
    urban exploration
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    Many hackers are also into urban exploration. This is basically the trespassing on the properties of people who have abandoned their buildings. Barns, boarded-up houses, abandoned industrial areas, lots of fun places to explore and have a lot of fun. This is illegal, however the hackers/expolorers don't really care. In their point of view no one is using the space so it can be set up as a hacker station, where the 1337 have their own command and control area. Now this is far from the normal, as usually its just a bunch of kids or young adults that want to search things out. Now wouldn't it be cool to have your own "base" in an abandoned industrial building from which to launch attacks on various targets. If the attack is back-traced The Man would only find an abandoned building and still would be unlikely to find the hacker nest. There is only one book on this topic that I have ever seen out there. The title escapes me, but it was by "ninjalicious."

    The art of urban exploration is compared to the art of breaking into computer-based systems. Both are intriguing, both offer rewards, and both are all-out fun. When questioned by police (if you get caught) will not suffice an explanation of what you've done by saying "it was just intriguing." So you need to pick your exploits in the real world as well as digitally/online. Some hackers think that the law will never come knocking on their door, but if they do, and you get a criminal record, for just having fun, you will be in a really bad spot legally. It is difficult to find employers who will hire you if you have a criminal record. So this is sort of a balance: is the fun worth the possibility of a criminal record? Maybe there are more safe ways to rebel against society. Or you could even live vicariously, just listening to the exploits of your friends, but not participating yourself. Whatever the case its an interesting topic to consider and ponder upon. Maybe there is room for another good book on the art of urban exploration---I'd read it.

    Cheers!
    -warmfuzzy

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  • From Ogg@700:100/16 to warmfuzzy on Wed Sep 11 19:41:00 2024
    Hello warmfuzzy!

    ** On Tuesday 10.09.24 - 17:55, warmfuzzy wrote to All:

    still would be unlikely to find the hacker nest. There is only one book on this topic that I have ever seen out there. The title escapes me, but it
    was by "ninjalicious."

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    knocking on their door, but if they do, and you get a criminal record, for just having fun, you will be in a really bad spot legally. It is difficult to find employers who will hire you if you have a criminal record. So this is sort of a balance: is the fun worth the possibility of a criminal
    record?

    I seem to recall that Kevin Mitnick didn't seem to have a
    problem with that. He eventually became desired for his
    computer security knowledge.
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  • From debianz@700:100/71 to warmfuzzy on Sun Nov 10 14:29:35 2024
    launch attacks on various targets. If the attack is back-traced The
    Man would only find an abandoned building and still would be unlikely
    to find the hacker nest.

    Depends on the opsec of the hacker involved. C2 servers require power and internet connection to run. If the hacker is smart, power and internet will not have their actual name and address listed. Internet will be obfuscated so backtracing the IP isn't as easy to do, all files, data and comms will be encrypted and metadata scrubbed. This would be a more ideal set up for a C2 server.

    But you've got to think about that too. How will you set up power? How will you set up internet? You need to gain power and internet in a way that is unnoticeable (as much as possible anyways) and does not require identification.

    Some hackers think that the law will
    never come knocking on their door, but if they do, and you get a

    These hackers soon find out very quickly what happens with that lack of opsec

    criminal record, for just having fun, you will be in a really bad spot legally. It is difficult to find employers who will hire you if you
    have a criminal record. So this is sort of a balance: is the fun worth the possibility of a criminal record? Maybe there are more safe ways to

    If you do plan on doing something like this (which I do not recommend for aforementioned legal reasons), then you need to do some deep research into this, especially into those who were arrested.

    -Debianz

    ... The Law of Maximum Inconvenience is always operational.

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