• The division of Western Civilization into Two

    From roman@700:100/72 to All on Thu Dec 4 21:09:30 2025
    I have pondered for a long time whether to publish this
    note or not. In any case, I write only about what interests
    me. Therefore, I will risk offering my commentary on the
    current international political situation. And as is obvious
    to all of us, there are different dimensions to the global
    situation. Events can be viewed as a conflict between
    "globalist elites and clans," or based on the geopolitical
    interests of nations, or from a religious conflict, or
    civilizational confrontation. In any case, this will be just
    another interpretation of our social reality. The catalyst
    for this reflection was the complaints of American arms
    manufacturers about Europe's refusal to allow their
    participation in the continent's rearmament. This economic
    conflict, in my view, clearly indicates a trend toward the
    fragmentation of Western civilization. Just as the Roman
    Empire once split into Eastern and Western parts, today
    the United States and the European Union are increasingly
    diverging mentally and economically. I believe this process
    was initiated by the Obama administration in 2011, gradually
    drifting toward the idea of Realpolitik in relations with
    the world - especially after Europe's refusal to sign the
    transatlantic trade agreement aimed at unifying markets.
    Subsequently, the Biden administration only intensified
    these tendencies with an openly infantile foreign policy.
    One could endlessly list American geopolitical failures
    under Trump and Biden, but their essence boils down
    to the idea that the U.S. needs nothing from the world
    (paradoxically) except money. This belief unites both
    Democrats and Republicans - what might be called a
    "brilliant isolation" akin to the British Empire.
    Historically, the British, leveraging their island status,
    supported different nations in their conflicts, playing a
    role of a distant power that provided protection for pay.
    Realpolitik ultimately led the world into the First World
    War and nearly destroyed the British Empire. But who
    cares about that today? If a united Europe views modern
    wars as a matter of values, ideas, and politics, Americans
    see these conflicts as simplified gangland disputes and dirty
    capitalist dealings - where strong guys take money and
    property from weaker ones. Based on this logic, to prevent
    the weak from ending up in such situations, they should
    respect the strong gang leaders, pay tribute, and not oppose
    them. I believe this is precisely how U.S. geopolitics under
    Biden and Trump perceives global issues. Therefore,
    Americans are unlikely to resolve conflicts involving Russia
    and Ukraine, China and Taiwan, Iran and Israel, Indonesia
    and China, and so forth. While the European value-based
    approach is generally understandable and logical from the
    standpoint of bourgeois socialism's dogma, American logic
    appears overly simplistic and contradictory. When General
    Driscoll was scaring Europe and Ukraine that they would
    lose the war to Russia, he forgot to mention that it was the
    United States that lost the war in Afghanistan to 12,000
    barefoot people on motorcycles. They fled from South
    Vietnam, Lebanon, and so on. The Americans also too often
    turned off their long-range smart weapons to the Europeans,
    Ukrainians, and Israelis, doing everything so that Russia
    or Iran would not lose completely. This fits into the logic
    of gangsters drug-related shootouts on the streets, but
    unfortunately in the rest of the world, it spoils the
    already bad reputation of the United States as an unreliable
    ally and partner, seller of promises with a very short shelf
    life. As some European journalists joke: It's only a matter
    of time before the Americans start selling weapons to Iran
    and Russia. But it's true. Most likely it will be. Rome
    should not help Constantinople and vice versa. Why is this?
    In my view, the answer lies in America's new worldview.
    Since the U.S. is far from the old centers of civilization,
    processes of island mentality have begun to dominate there,
    as in Australia. Military conflicts are seen as simplified
    gang disputes, with Americans playing the role of yet
    another group offering protection for pay to featherheaded
    allies. All this happens "over there," across the "beautiful
    ocean," and thus has no direct connection to domestic
    politics, say Democrats and Republicans. Simultaneously,
    the U.S. displays blatant disregard for Europe, believing -
    according to the administration - that the EU is weak and
    refuses to submit to the rules of stronger gangsters. The
    paradox is that the rules of gentlemen apply only to
    gentlemen and are written solely for them. It's unclear why
    Europe should listen to or obey American gangsters. All this
    creates a profound value and ideological conflict, centered
    on a simple question: what is the true understanding
    of Western civilization? Americans confidence in the
    infallibility of their gangster-style "deals" only
    demonstrates their helplessness and lack of understanding
    of the planet they live on. How can they make deals when
    the conflicts they speak of have existed longer than the U.S.
    itself? These conflicts are rooted in religious, colonial,
    and mental contradictions. Modern experience shows that
    treaties signed with the U.S. last at most 3-4 years before
    a new administration comes in. That's why Europeans no
    longer trust the bipolar American foreign policy. The U.S.
    is no longer part of a single transatlantic civilizational
    space and cannot bring anything to a logical conclusion.
    Europeans have recognized and accepted this fact. America
    is a different version of the West, with different values and
    a different geopolitical moral paradigm. From this new
    reality, it appears that the U.S. simply mirrors the
    external world without any coherent strategy. During the
    "Cold War," the U.S. mirrored the conflict of "values."
    During the globalization of markets, it mirrored
    "globalization" and liberal values. With the rise of
    dictatorships and autocracies, the U.S. mirrors autocracies.
    Therefore, I dare suggest that the fundamental
    civilizational difference between the "American West"
    and the "European West" lies in their understanding of the
    very essence and role of Western civilization in the world.
    Europeans believe that Western civilization is rooted in
    bourgeois-communist values and ideals, while Americans
    believe it is about "free markets" without institutions and
    with private interests as the raison d'etre. In any case, an
    internal conflict of values, goals, and ideas is evident. I
    believe it's only a matter of time before this confrontation
    escalates into a more acute phase - akin to the wars between
    Rome and Constantinople, or between "dealmakers" and
    "socialists." These two worlds, these two centers of power,
    are increasingly drifting apart. Too many civilizational
    contradictions have accumulated between them. I am
    genuinely convinced that there are now two Western
    civilizations: a "Western" and an "Eastern" version.

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