• Re: Google "lied"

    From shitty@700:100/18 to roman on Tue Jun 18 18:28:05 2024
    I suggest everyone maintain own link directories and not rely on these search engines. Search engines are rare crap. If you need a script for a simple directory of links in PHP, I have it in Gopher. Save links and share links with all your friends. This is better than bigtech shit.

    It's helpful to download any webpage(s) that provide useful information.

    Without remembering a web page's exact url, consumers are relying on search engines to show it to them again.

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  • From roman@700:100/69 to All on Sun Jun 2 12:28:17 2024
    https://mashable.com/article/google-search-content-api-warehouse-seo-leak

    The key to online success is usually dependent on one major factor above all others: Your website's ranking on Google Search.
    For decades now, an entire industry _ Search Engine Optimization or "SEO" _ has revolved around attempting to crack the code that moves a given page up the ranks for various keyword search queries on Google.
    This week, that "code," or more specifically the secrets behind Google's search engine algorithm, have leaked.
    "In the last quarter century, no leak of this magnitude or detail has ever been reported from Google_s search division," said Sparktoro CEO Rand Fishkin, a longtime influential figure in the SEO industry.
    Fishkin has worked in the industry for years and founded the well-established SEO company, Moz. Fishkin's long SEO history is likely why an unnamed person chose to send him Google_s internal "Content API Warehouse" document. This 2,500 page document details a slew of previously unknown or unconfirmed knowledge about how Google decides to rank websites on its search engine.
    Once receiving the leak, Fishkin and a number of other SEO and digital marketing leaders went to work to verify the document. After examining the pages, they believed the leak to be legitimate. Google would not confirm the legitimacy of the leak outright at first, however, Fishkin shared that a Google employee contacted him in order to change the characterization of some of the details he posted in his breakdown of the document.
    Late Wednesday, Google provided confirmation that the document was indeed legitimate in an email to The Verge.
    There is a lot of technical information in the document, which appears to be more for developers and technical SEO professionals than for the layperson or even SEO professionals who specialize in content creation. However, there are some extremely interesting details that everyone can walk away with from this leak.
    This is particularly of interest as Google has previously denied using Chrome to rank websites.
    According to the documents parsed by experts like Fishkin, it appears that Google tracks how many clicks a webpage receives from users in its web browser, Chrome, in order to choose which pages of a website to include in its search query sitemap.
    So, while it doesn't seem that Google uses this info to decide where to rank an entire site outright, analysts have surmised that the company does use Chrome activity in order to decide which internal pages to show in search under the website's homepage.
    SEO expert Mike King of iPullRank flagged this one, and it's brought about more questions than answers.
    According to analysis of Google's internal document, the company has a specific flag it attaches to "small personal websites." It's unclear how Google determines what a "small" or "personal" website is, nor is there any information as to why Google is marking websites with this tag. Is this to help promote them in search? To demote them in the rankings?
    Its purpose is a mystery at this time.
    This is another issue that SEO experts have long speculated about, which Google has denied over the years. And, once again, it looks like the experts were right.
    It turns out that Google relies on user clicks for search rankings much more than was previously known.
    NavBoost is a Google ranking factor that focuses on enhancing search results. It focuses heavily on click data to improve these results. According to King, we now know that NavBoost has a "specific module entirely focused on click signals." One major factor that determines a website's ranking for a search query: short clicks versus long clicks or how long a user stays on a page after clicking on the link from a Google search.
    If you've ever come across a domain name with multiple keywords and dashes, like used-cars-for-sale.net for example, at least part of the reason was likely SEO. There has been a long held belief among domain investors and the digital marketing community that Google rewarded exact match domain names.
    It turns out that this isn't always true. In fact, an exact match domain can hurt your rankings.
    Around a decade ago, Google did share that exact match domain names would no longer be held in high regard as a tool for earning rankings, despite being favored by the algorithm at one time. However, we now have evidence thanks to this leak that there is a mechanism to actively demote these websites in Google Search. It turns out that Google views many of these types of domains in the same light as keyword stuffing practices. The algorithm views this type of url as potential spam.
    According to analysis of the documents, Google has whitelists for certain topics. This means that websites that appear in Google Search for these types of search queries need to be manually approved and don't appear based on the normal algorithmically ranked search factors.
    Some of the topics aren't too surprising. Websites containing content related to COVID information and politics queries, specifically around election information, are whitelisted.
    However, there is a whitelist for travel websites as well. It's unclear exactly what this whitelist is for. SEO experts have suggested that this could be related to travel sites appearing in specific Google travel tabs and widgets.
    Fishkin, King, and other SEO experts have been able to confirm and debunk quite a few SEO theories thanks to this leaked document. And it's now clear to them that Google hasn't been entirely truthful regarding how its search algorithm worked over the years.
    _'Lied' is harsh, but it_s the only accurate word to use here," King wrote in his own breakdown of the Google Content API Warehouse document.
    "While I don_t necessarily fault Google_s public representatives for protecting their proprietary information, I do take issue with their efforts to actively discredit people in the marketing, tech, and journalism worlds who have presented reproducible discoveries," he said.
    As industry experts continue to pore through this massive document, we may soon find out some more interesting details hidden in Google's search algorithm.

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  • From shitty@700:100/18 to roman on Sun Jun 2 16:31:55 2024
    may soon find out some more interesting details hidden in Google's
    search algorithm.

    I always assumed that Google ranks results based on which results are most beneficial to the globalist agenda.

    For example, a poorly designed website would rank higher than an optmimized site if the optimized site contains anti-globalist content on it.

    I'm thinking about adding a DEI policy to my website to see if it boosts my rank! :)

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  • From roman@700:100/69 to shitty on Mon Jun 3 11:53:02 2024
    I suggest everyone maintain own link directories and not rely on these search engines. Search engines are rare crap. If you need a script for a simple directory of links in PHP, I have it in Gopher. Save links and share links with all your friends. This is better than bigtech shit.

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  • From k9zw@700:100/69 to roman on Mon Jun 3 13:45:29 2024
    It seems that to be truly "Orwellian" it is more effective to control the search engines than to control the (arguably uncontrollable) web content?!

    Libraries have done this for centuries, with one Index for outside consumption and another index (and archive) for insiders. If you ever saw the movie "The Name of the Rose" by Umberto Eco, you will have an idea of the Secret Library within the Main Library idea.

    Keep up the good work, roman!

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  • From roman@700:100/69 to k9zw on Tue Jun 4 11:46:50 2024
    According to Karl Marx (twice damn), the main class conflict stemmed from the monopoly of the means of production. Globalists in the modern world have a monopoly on communication standards. Thus, the main class conflict that they created lies in the plane of who owns the means of communication that you use. Globalists do everything according to Marx. Knowing this we can understand their logic. Only when you have your own means of communication can you counter global leftist propaganda from the Ayatollahs of Iran to the neo-Marxists of the USA.

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@700:100/20 to shitty on Sat Aug 17 09:40:00 2024
    shitty wrote to roman <=-

    Without remembering a web page's exact url, consumers are relying on search engines to show it to them again.

    It's the META bar and making google the home page. If I ask someone less technical than me to go to a web site, chances are they'll enter it into
    the search bar, look through the top list of paid search results, then
    click on the one for the web site in question.



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  • From roman@700:100/69 to shitty on Sun Aug 18 11:53:11 2024
    In principle i can upload the Link Directory to your server an CDG account, and everyoe can fill it with whatever they want.

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  • From shitty@700:100/18 to poindexter FORTRAN on Tue Sep 3 15:15:15 2024
    Without remembering a web page's exact url, consumers are relying on search engines to show it to them again.

    It's the META bar and making google the home page. If I ask someone less technical than me to go to a web site, chances are they'll enter it into the search bar, look through the top list of paid search results, then click on the one for the web site in question.

    I appreciate your reply, but what I meant is that someday these incredibly useful webpages are likekly to be either removed from Google's index, or forcefully removed from their webhost (or both.)

    So it's good to make a soft copy on your own computer if you value the info contained therein.

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  • From zharvek@1:0/0 to All on Mon Sep 9 08:33:31 2024
    On 9/3/24 11:15 AM, shitty wrote:
    So it's good to make a soft copy on your own computer if you value the info contained therein.

    Always good advice to save things locally yourself. Don't rely on 'da
    cloud' to do anything helpful when it comes to preservation.

    I suggest looking into NextCloud (self-hosted), get the bookmarks
    plugin, save and sync using that for your browsers/devices.

    You can also look into SearX-NG. Self-hosted search engine consolidation
    type project. Allows you to search multiple sites with one interface and
    it also acts as a 'search proxy', as well as stripping out the tracking/ad-ware/privacy links.

    I host a public one; https://search.apps.archaicbinary.net

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  • From roman@700:100/69 to zharvek on Mon Sep 9 11:56:55 2024
    That's right. People are tired of different interfaces for the same search APIs. When I was young, there were hundreds of independent search engines and directories on the Internet. These projects were created by users. Links were added by people. There was very little advertising. Now it's as if the Internet has become dumb. You can't find anything. And if BigTech doesn't like something, they block it at the browser level. I'm tired of this planetary gaslighting.

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  • From zharvek@1:0/0 to All on Mon Sep 9 15:28:29 2024
    On 9/9/24 7:56 AM, roman wrote:
    Now it's as if the Internet has become dumb.

    Dead Internet Theory, I don't believe it's a theory at all, it's fact.

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  • From roman@700:100/69 to zharvek on Mon Sep 9 17:39:11 2024
    We invited them ourselves...

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