• "THE LAST TRUMPET," The Story Of One Young Man's Desperate Struggle To Believe The Impossible, And Succeeds.

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    In reply to Ben Obina's "THE LAST TRUMPET," The Story Of One Young
    Man's Desperate Struggle To Believe The Impossible, And Succeeds.

    It has been observed that one may go to any Fundamentalist
    Christian Revival meeting where "exorcisms" are being performed,
    and someone will vomit a demon into a paper bag if you ask them to
    (and often when you ask them not to). There's great power (in
    covertly manipulating others) from believing that the devil is out
    to get one, personally. Think of all the lively conversations one
    could have with others, with one the center of attention, as one
    relates how the devil caused one to do horrible things like
    (horrors!) masturbate, steal, or work on Sundays. ["Confrontations
    With The DEVIL," by Robert W. Pelton, Pocket Books, 1979, pp.
    126-127]

    It has also been observed that one may go to any UFO convention
    and someone will relate, under hypnosis, how they were abducted
    and implanted and screwed and poked and peeked and sampled. Try
    to get them to shut up. Just try, and see if they will. Good
    luck. ["Flim-Flam," by James Randi, Prometheus Books, 1987, pp.
    71-92]

    It is important to remember that one's religion must be held
    inviolate. One must be allowed to believe and practice religious
    forms of expression freely and without intervention, provided that
    such practices do not harm others. What's a little vomit between
    True Believers, after all? As long as they use a bag, and I don't
    have to clean up after them, fine!

    It is also important to realize that, real or not, the
    Abduction Phenomena is valid, and real to those who have
    experienced them. As such experiences cause the individual a
    great deal of mental anguish in many cases, and a great deal of
    income in others, one should not scoff at the individuals who
    relate abduction stories. To scoff is paramount to laughing at
    the pain of hunger or loneliness. What's a few tears between
    abducted support group members, after all? As long as every
    member benefits and is not harmed, fine!

    But what about the True Believer and the Abducted who has made
    it one's calling to inform us how little we know about life, and
    that they are there to help us? Both have said that the "common
    man" (i.e. you and I) are not enlightened enough to understand.
    Consider the following:

    ". . already I have been referred to as a
    'crackpot' and also have been ridiculed. But I
    assure you[,] people will 'definitely'
    understand in time, their minds aren't yet
    trained to handle this sort of information."

    This tells us flat out that we are not capable of understanding
    the abduction phenomena, as our minds are not developed for
    (presumably) rational thought or observation. This is a ploy that
    religionist hysterics have used for 5,000 years, telling us that
    only through their intervention will we be able to understand the
    improbable, impossible, and mysterious. Sadly, millions buy into
    this. I do not.

    "U.F.O's are definitely real, and are here
    for a purpose."

    Says who? We were told before hand that we are not able to
    understand, so therefore we must not question what was to follow!
    It was just left for us to believe, without proof or qualifications.

    "The occupants are the 'guardians' of
    humanity. The occasional appearances of these
    'cosmic missionaries' is living proof that we
    are not alone in the universe. Throughout time
    and history they have kept a 'watchful' eye and
    have been always interested in the affairs of
    man. Sadly though, their existence has been
    concealed, ignored and ridiculed. It is only
    just recently that they have been alarmed by
    the dangerous turn of events on earth."

    I can no more argue against humanity requiring "guardians" that I
    can argue that falling trees are soundless if unobserved. We are
    told that "living proof" is offered us, but alas, I guess I'm just
    not mentally developed enough, as I think the above quote is pure
    hog-slop. Where were these "guardians" when we butchered fifty-million humans, almost one million a year, during the second
    world war? Was this horror below the "guardians" intervention
    level? Or is it my poorly developed brain that assumes that fifty-million murders is small potatoes, cosmically speaking?

    Several reasons are given us as to why these "guardians" have
    come now, and not in the past.

    "we are not taking care of ourselves
    enviromentally and spiritually."

    I submit that if we take care of our environment, a great many
    of our problems will be eased. Why throw "spirituality" into
    the pot? If one does, the question then becomes: "WHO'S
    spirituality did you have in mind for us to emulate?" This ties
    in with the "you aren't capable of understanding so I'll think for
    you" crap.

    "they are dissatisfied with contemporary
    social and economic injustices."

    Who has NOT been, masses speaking, over the past 5,000 years?

    "religion has been twisted and turned into
    fanaticism."

    Such as equating UFOs to "guardians," perhaps?

    As the guardians of mankind, they can only
    'condemn' our actions, but they realize that a
    wasted evolution and an inescapable cataclysm
    will be the final consequence of our 'inhuman'
    behavior.

    A hearty "disagree" here. Why is it assumed that the human
    race is destined to destruction? Or is this something us lesser
    mentality folks can't understand? Civilizations have always come
    and gone, and so will the present ones. With better understanding
    of our international neighbors, the extinction of the species can
    be prevented. It will hardly be easy, but it is by no means
    definite that we will destroy ourselves.

    And now the waste material really hits the ventilation duct.

    "What does this all mean? As prophesied in
    the Bible, "On judgement day, Christ will
    descend from the heavens in a cloud with great
    power and glory, and will reveal himself to all
    the tribes of the earth." Luke 21:28. Also
    foreseen is the fateful course we are presently
    taking, "The heavens shall pass away with a
    great noise, the elements shall melt with a
    fervent heat, and the earth, and also the works
    therein shall be burned up." Peter 3:10-14.
    In the Old Testament there are 30 references to
    Christ's first coming. In the New Testament
    there are 50 specific references to Christ's
    'second' coming. I also stress that the earth
    is not following a path towards complete
    annihilation, as in 'blowing itself to pieces'.
    Our planet 'will' stay intact, and it will
    enter a 'new age', a 'transition' for all that
    is left.

    The people who gave us the Christ myths are STILL waiting for
    the "first coming," but Mr. Obina would have us believe it has
    come and gone already. Kabalists generally agree that the Christ
    will come some time around 2200-2300 ce, coincidently at the same
    time the "Aquarian Age" roughly starts. Why throw Messiah myths
    into the UFO picture? What is served by using allegory to support
    one's reality-structure?

    "Our planet's destiny can only be decided by
    mankind's actions."

    This is self-evident. It also makes one wonder, though, since
    this is the case, where do the "guardians" come into the picture?!
    If our destiny is for us to decide, who needs "guardians?"

    "I have read many versions of the
    catastrophic events leading up to judgement
    day, and also what will actually 'happen' on
    judgement day. Everything from a nuclear war,
    to an axis-shift, to a mass suicide by those
    who cannot accept the facts. Do we really know
    the truth?.. only 'they' know."

    This supposes that "judgment day" is a fact, and not allegory
    as it was originally meant to be. It also supposes that what has
    been written about future events will happen, which has never in
    history been demonstrated. The massive volumes written about the
    end of the world are usually considered to be active meditations
    (like various Midrashim as Alpha Beta Ben Sira), and were not
    meant to be taken as attempts at fortune-telling.

    "In the near future, an important event that
    no human mind should be uninformed about will
    take place. It will come unexpectedly at a
    time of great need. There will be no need to
    ask 'why' or 'how' because all questions will
    be answered and all doubts will be laid to
    rest. Look forward to this event, and do not
    fear it, because soon 'all' will awaken and
    realize that 'fiction' will become 'fact'."

    Unfortunately, there are also those human minds that are very
    disinformed. Ben Obina tells us that no human minds should be
    uninformed about what WILL take place. Has there ever been a time
    where a human mind has been so informed about future events that
    can still go in any of many directions?!

    Fiction has often become fact, but hardly all!

    Those who do not understand do not want to
    know. The truth is disturbing and will make
    one feel skeptical, but if understood with an
    open mind. it can and 'must' be accepted. When
    the time comes, my purpose is to 'assist' and
    to let the people know and understand. I am
    just one of the many thousands around the world
    who have been randomly selected to slowly
    prepare the people and to gradually spread the
    message. We are all part of a worldwide
    program of 'psychological conditioning' before,
    and when this moment arrives.

    I do not understand, and I very much want to know. What does
    this do to Mr. Obina's theory? Or is this more "you're too
    stupid to understand" crap?

    "Space beings are the guardians of humanity.
    They are the messengers of the Ultimate
    Creator."

    Human beings are the guardians of humanity. We are the
    messengers of the Ultimate Creator, being one of Her creations.

    "Traces of the beings 'basic message' can be
    found in the Bible passages relating to
    judgement day, despite the fact they are
    written in vague and symbolic terms. Notice
    how the people are to be "judged". Notice how
    the believers of God's word are to be "raised
    from the dead". Notice what is meant when the
    Bible mentions the "home of the saved". Is it
    purely coincidental that most contactees have
    similar thoughts of 'permanent relocation' and
    a different earth within the next 10 years? In
    reference to judgement day, the Bible often
    "implies" the word "rapture". The actual word
    is not found in the Bible because sometimes
    Christians have a tendency to toss out
    misunderstood words which have no meaning to
    the Non-Christian. I suggest that you look up
    the word in the dictionary, you will be
    astonished at it's meaning and how it ties in
    with the beings 'basic message'."

    I am often astonished how one will use a hammer to drive in
    screws-- a job that the hammer was not made to do. Why use the
    Bible to drive mythological screws into the real world?

    "If you are shaking your head over this
    right now, please remember how many
    'impossibles' you have said in your lifetime.
    Or how many 'impossibles' men throughout the
    ages have said to many things God has revealed
    through His spokesman. And yet they were
    possible, because nothing is 'impossible' for
    God."

    God has yet to reveal anything through "spokesmen." All that's
    required to know Her is to look around. When someone opens his
    mouth and spews out "God told me to tell you. . . ." is when the
    impossible is forced into the mold of the irrationality.

    "I could tell you how their ships travel
    through space; how they tie in with religion
    and the Bible; how they tie in with the
    destruction of previous civilizations that once
    flourished on earth; how they tie in with
    ancient mythology etc., etc. .. but I won't. I
    already revealed to you what one 'only' need to
    know.. how they will influence the future.
    Those questions and others will be definitely
    answered very soon, highly likely within our
    own lifetime."

    I have absolutely no doubts that Mr. Obina can!

    "Whether this so-called catastrophe is
    physical, natural or spiritual, I know 2 things
    for certain. An event of great importance to
    mankind will occur prior to judgement day. An
    event that will enlighten us about the nature
    of our existence. An event that will signify
    that mankind is entering a 'new age', a
    'transition', .. perhaps the end."

    Ah, a qualifier! Now when the alleged catastrophe fails to
    materialize, Mr. Obina can claim it happened on some astral
    plane.

    "'In a moment, in a twinkling of an eye, at
    the last trumpet; for the last trumpet will
    sound, and the dead will be raised
    imperishable, and we shall all be changed.' I
    Corinthians 15:52 NASB."

    "The world of fools has such a store / that he who would not
    see an ass / must bide at home, and boot his door, / and break his
    looking glass." La Monnaye

    Which of the two quotes about, Mr. Obina's or mine, is true?
    
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