• Re: OT: spam phone calls

    From J. P. Gilliver@G6JPG@255soft.uk to uk.telecom.mobile,alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.mobile.android on Sat Jul 5 01:32:42 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.telecom.mobile

    On 2025/7/4 12:24:58, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    On 2025-07-04 13:12, Tweed wrote:
    Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
    On 2025-07-04 11:35, Daniel70 wrote:
    On 4/07/2025 1:26 am, David Wade wrote:

    <Snip>

    .. for me much simpler than trying to ease a card out of the wallet
    where it invariably jams, which I have to do as there are several
    cards in there. In most cases I will have also used my phone because >>>>> it has my loyalty card stored in it as well....

    Dave

    .... and, in a related manner, in about 2000, to pay for my Chicken
    Dinner, I went to hand my Credit Card to the Staff Member .... and, in >>>> doing so, passed the Card over the Card Reader machine and BEEB, Job
    Done!! First I knew of THAT ability!!

    Really?

    NFC has existed for years.


    The standard wasn’t even defined until 2003

    https://www.thamestechnology.co.uk/inspiration/history-of-contactless-
    payments-a-timeline

    That's an enormous time in technology :-D

    Daniel said his story was "in about 2000", so saying the standard wasn't defined until 2003 is a valid thing to say!
    --
    J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

    One of my tricks as an armchair futurist is to "predict" things that
    are already happening and watch people tell me it will never happen.
    Scott Adams, 2015-3-9
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  • From Daniel70@daniel47@eternal-september.org to uk.telecom.mobile,alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.mobile.android on Sat Jul 5 20:15:23 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.telecom.mobile

    On 5/07/2025 10:32 am, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
    On 2025/7/4 12:24:58, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    On 2025-07-04 13:12, Tweed wrote:
    Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
    On 2025-07-04 11:35, Daniel70 wrote:
    On 4/07/2025 1:26 am, David Wade wrote:

    <Snip>

    .. for me much simpler than trying to ease a card out of the wallet >>>>>> where it invariably jams, which I have to do as there are several
    cards in there. In most cases I will have also used my phone because >>>>>> it has my loyalty card stored in it as well....

    Dave

    .... and, in a related manner, in about 2000, to pay for my Chicken
    Dinner, I went to hand my Credit Card to the Staff Member .... and, in >>>>> doing so, passed the Card over the Card Reader machine and BEEB, Job >>>>> Done!! First I knew of THAT ability!!

    Really?

    NFC has existed for years.

    The standard wasn’t even defined until 2003

    https://www.thamestechnology.co.uk/inspiration/history-of-contactless- payments-a-timeline

    That's an enormous time in technology :-D

    Daniel said his story was "in about 2000", so saying the standard wasn't defined until 2003 is a valid thing to say!

    O.K., so it *MAY* have been 2005'ish!! ;-P Hey, it might have even been 2010'ish.

    (I lived in that one place for over thirty years.)
    --
    Daniel70
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  • From Carlos E.R.@robin_listas@es.invalid to uk.telecom.mobile,alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.mobile.android on Sat Jul 5 19:55:58 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.telecom.mobile

    On 2025-07-05 02:32, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
    On 2025/7/4 12:24:58, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    On 2025-07-04 13:12, Tweed wrote:
    Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
    On 2025-07-04 11:35, Daniel70 wrote:
    On 4/07/2025 1:26 am, David Wade wrote:

    <Snip>

    .. for me much simpler than trying to ease a card out of the wallet >>>>>> where it invariably jams, which I have to do as there are several
    cards in there. In most cases I will have also used my phone because >>>>>> it has my loyalty card stored in it as well....

    Dave

    .... and, in a related manner, in about 2000, to pay for my Chicken
    Dinner, I went to hand my Credit Card to the Staff Member .... and, in >>>>> doing so, passed the Card over the Card Reader machine and BEEB, Job >>>>> Done!! First I knew of THAT ability!!

    Really?

    NFC has existed for years.


    The standard wasn’t even defined until 2003

    https://www.thamestechnology.co.uk/inspiration/history-of-
    contactless- payments-a-timeline

    That's an enormous time in technology :-D

    Daniel said his story was "in about 2000", so saying the standard wasn't defined until 2003 is a valid thing to say!

    Ah, I see. The about 2000 did not register. Sorry.
    --
    Cheers, Carlos.
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  • From Mark Lloyd@not.email@all.invalid to alt.comp.os.windows-10,uk.telecom.mobile,comp.mobile.android on Sat Jul 5 19:03:59 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.telecom.mobile

    On Thu, 3 Jul 2025 22:07:21 +0100, NY wrote:

    On 03/07/2025 12:32, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    On 2025-07-03 13:18, JMB99 wrote:
    My phone remains in a zipped pocket and need unlocking to be used so
    takes longer to get into use.

    Certainly, I keep it locked, in a shoulder bag when I am out, or in a
    table when I am in. It is summer, so can't be in a jacket pocket.

    My phone, like my car/house keys, remains in my trouser pocket whenever
    I'm not using it or charging it. If I took my phone or my keys out and
    left them on a random table, I'd spend ages remembering where I'd left
    them and I'd be too much at risk of going out without them.

    My rule is that I can take them out of the pocket*, but NEVER set them
    down in a place that isn't mine (house or car).

    * - when I first started carrying these things, I put them in the obvious place, a FRONT pocket. I have never put anything other than a few papers
    in a back pocket.
    --
    Mark Lloyd
    http://notstupid.us/

    "Sacred cows make the tastiest hamburger." [Abbie Hoffman]
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  • From Mark Lloyd@not.email@all.invalid to alt.comp.os.windows-10,uk.telecom.mobile,comp.mobile.android on Sat Jul 5 19:13:15 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.telecom.mobile

    On Thu, 3 Jul 2025 20:55:56 +0100, J. P. Gilliver wrote:

    On 2025/7/3 20:29:10, Mark Lloyd wrote:
    []

    When I notice someone ahead of me in line take out a notebook, that's a

    (At first there I thought you meant something like what I'm typing this
    on! Visions of waiting for Windows to boot ... then I remembered we call
    them laptops these days.)

    bad sign. One of those people who carries around hundreds of coupons.
    Coupons are OK, but why can't they decide which ones they're going to
    use and get them out in advance? These people often have to argue with
    the checker about EVERY item, searching the bags for it.

    Indeed. On the (infrequent) occasions I use a coupon, I place it on the
    belt near (on top of, if possible) the item to which it relates.

    I do too.

    OT: Your sig reminded me of how I felt after seeing the total solar
    eclipse last year. If was mostly cloudy so at first I just saw a few
    glimpses of crescent sun. Then the clouds went away just in time to see totality. That lasted less than 2 minutes, but it was something I really wanted to see and am likely to not get another chance.
    --
    Mark Lloyd
    http://notstupid.us/

    "Sacred cows make the tastiest hamburger." [Abbie Hoffman]
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  • From Mark Lloyd@not.email@all.invalid to alt.comp.os.windows-10,uk.telecom.mobile,comp.mobile.android on Sat Jul 5 19:18:16 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.telecom.mobile

    On Thu, 3 Jul 2025 22:40:12 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:

    [snip]

    On my normal supermarket (Carrefour) they have an app, and the app
    generates a QR code for the cashier with all the bargain coupons that
    there are. Instantly.

    If you mean coupons that you have to stick into a card, those are very
    rare here.

    The store I usually go to does have e-coupons that you can add to your
    card while at home (from their webisie) and just scan it once in the
    store. However, there are still a lot of paper coupons the send in the
    mail. That's a personalized service, so they could use e-coupons for that,
    but they don't.
    --
    Mark Lloyd
    http://notstupid.us/

    "Sacred cows make the tastiest hamburger." [Abbie Hoffman]
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  • From Bob Eager@news0009@eager.cx to alt.comp.os.windows-10,uk.telecom.mobile,comp.mobile.android on Sat Jul 5 21:14:04 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.telecom.mobile

    On Sat, 05 Jul 2025 19:03:59 +0000, Mark Lloyd wrote:

    My rule is that I can take them out of the pocket*, but NEVER set them
    down in a place that isn't mine (house or car).

    * - when I first started carrying these things, I put them in the
    obvious place, a FRONT pocket. I have never put anything other than a
    few papers in a back pocket.

    Same here, except that it's a zipped front pocket!
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  • From Daniel70@daniel47@eternal-september.org to alt.comp.os.windows-10,uk.telecom.mobile,comp.mobile.android on Sun Jul 6 18:56:37 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.telecom.mobile

    On 6/07/2025 5:03 am, Mark Lloyd wrote:
    On Thu, 3 Jul 2025 22:07:21 +0100, NY wrote:

    On 03/07/2025 12:32, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    On 2025-07-03 13:18, JMB99 wrote:
    My phone remains in a zipped pocket and need unlocking to be used so
    takes longer to get into use.

    Certainly, I keep it locked, in a shoulder bag when I am out, or in a
    table when I am in. It is summer, so can't be in a jacket pocket.

    My phone, like my car/house keys, remains in my trouser pocket whenever
    I'm not using it or charging it. If I took my phone or my keys out and
    left them on a random table, I'd spend ages remembering where I'd left
    them and I'd be too much at risk of going out without them.

    My rule is that I can take them out of the pocket*, but NEVER set them
    down in a place that isn't mine (house or car).

    When he was visiting people and if there was something that he HAD to
    take home with him, he would put his car keys next to the object so he couldn't leave without being reminded about the object! ;-P
    --
    Daniel70
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  • From Daniel70@daniel47@eternal-september.org to alt.comp.os.windows-10,uk.telecom.mobile,comp.mobile.android on Sun Jul 6 19:49:44 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.telecom.mobile

    On 6/07/2025 6:56 pm, Daniel70 wrote:
    On 6/07/2025 5:03 am, Mark Lloyd wrote:
    On Thu, 3 Jul 2025 22:07:21 +0100, NY wrote:

    On 03/07/2025 12:32, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    On 2025-07-03 13:18, JMB99 wrote:
    My phone remains in a zipped pocket and need unlocking to be used so >>>>> takes longer to get into use.

    Certainly, I keep it locked, in a shoulder bag when I am out, or in a
    table when I am in. It is summer, so can't be in a jacket pocket.

    My phone, like my car/house keys, remains in my trouser pocket whenever
    I'm not using it or charging it. If I took my phone or my keys out and
    left them on a random table, I'd spend ages remembering where I'd left
    them and I'd be too much at risk of going out without them.

    My rule is that I can take them out of the pocket*, but NEVER set them
    down in a place that isn't mine (house or car).

    When he was visiting people and if there was something that he HAD to
    take home with him, he would put his car keys next to the object so he couldn't leave without being reminded about the object! ;-P

    Doh!! .... and the "he" I was referring to was my father!! '-(
    --
    Daniel70
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  • From JMB99@mb@nospam.net to alt.comp.os.windows-10,uk.telecom.mobile,comp.mobile.android on Sun Jul 6 13:18:54 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.telecom.mobile

    On 05/07/2025 20:03, Mark Lloyd wrote:
    Certainly, I keep it locked, in a shoulder bag when I am out, or in a
    table when I am in. It is summer, so can't be in a jacket pocket.


    I EMailed Rohan recently complaining about their shirt pockets. There
    used to be two on most shirts and they were deep enough to take a modern mobile phone completely - it could be then made more secure with a zip fastener on the pocket on a flap that was held by a button.

    Their more recent shirts are like most other ones on sale with a small
    pocket which will not take a mobile phone completely so danger of it
    falling out if you bend over.

    I would never put anything of any value in a rear trouser pocket.

    Most of my jackets and some of my shirts have an internal pocket secured
    by a zip. I tend to put the phone there.













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  • From JMB99@mb@nospam.net to alt.comp.os.windows-10,uk.telecom.mobile,comp.mobile.android on Sun Jul 6 13:21:48 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.telecom.mobile

    On 05/07/2025 22:14, Bob Eager wrote:
    My rule is that I can take them out of the pocket*, but NEVER set them
    down in a place that isn't mine (house or car).



    Many items have a secure anchor point like the ones on laptops.

    Never understood why one could not be designed into mobile phones?




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  • From Tweed@usenet.tweed@gmail.com to uk.telecom.mobile,alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.mobile.android on Sun Jul 6 13:21:34 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.telecom.mobile

    JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> wrote:
    On 05/07/2025 22:14, Bob Eager wrote:
    My rule is that I can take them out of the pocket*, but NEVER set them
    down in a place that isn't mine (house or car).



    Many items have a secure anchor point like the ones on laptops.

    Never understood why one could not be designed into mobile phones?


    You can get phone cases with an anchor loop. When in London I attach mine
    to my belt with a chain. It won’t stop every theft, but like door locks, it goes a long way to achieving that aim.

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  • From Bob Eager@news0009@eager.cx to alt.comp.os.windows-10,uk.telecom.mobile,comp.mobile.android on Sun Jul 6 14:03:39 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.telecom.mobile

    On Sun, 06 Jul 2025 13:21:48 +0100, JMB99 wrote:

    On 05/07/2025 22:14, Bob Eager wrote:
    My rule is that I can take them out of the pocket*, but NEVER set them
    down in a place that isn't mine (house or car).



    Many items have a secure anchor point like the ones on laptops.

    Never understood why one could not be designed into mobile phones?

    I didn't write that.
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  • From Bob Eager@news0009@eager.cx to alt.comp.os.windows-10,uk.telecom.mobile,comp.mobile.android on Sun Jul 6 14:04:39 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.telecom.mobile

    On Sun, 06 Jul 2025 13:18:54 +0100, JMB99 wrote:

    On 05/07/2025 20:03, Mark Lloyd wrote:
    Certainly, I keep it locked, in a shoulder bag when I am out, or in a
    table when I am in. It is summer, so can't be in a jacket pocket.


    I EMailed Rohan recently complaining about their shirt pockets. There
    used to be two on most shirts and they were deep enough to take a modern mobile phone completely - it could be then made more secure with a zip fastener on the pocket on a flap that was held by a button.

    Their more recent shirts are like most other ones on sale with a small
    pocket which will not take a mobile phone completely so danger of it
    falling out if you bend over.

    I wear Rohan Bags, virtually always. The front pockets (with zips) work
    well.
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  • From tony sayer@tony@bancom.co.uk to alt.comp.os.windows-10,uk.telecom.mobile,comp.mobile.android on Sun Jul 6 19:35:23 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.telecom.mobile

    In article <104ddo8$22nfv$1@dont-email.me>, Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal- september.org> scribeth thus
    On 6/07/2025 5:03 am, Mark Lloyd wrote:
    On Thu, 3 Jul 2025 22:07:21 +0100, NY wrote:

    On 03/07/2025 12:32, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    On 2025-07-03 13:18, JMB99 wrote:
    My phone remains in a zipped pocket and need unlocking to be used so >>>>> takes longer to get into use.

    Certainly, I keep it locked, in a shoulder bag when I am out, or in a
    table when I am in. It is summer, so can't be in a jacket pocket.

    My phone, like my car/house keys, remains in my trouser pocket whenever
    I'm not using it or charging it. If I took my phone or my keys out and
    left them on a random table, I'd spend ages remembering where I'd left
    them and I'd be too much at risk of going out without them.

    My rule is that I can take them out of the pocket*, but NEVER set them
    down in a place that isn't mine (house or car).


    When he was visiting people and if there was something that he HAD to
    take home with him, he would put his car keys next to the object so he >couldn't leave without being reminded about the object! ;-P

    Been doing that very thing for years whilst working away on site!..
    --
    Tony Sayer


    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person.

    Give him a keyboard, and he will reveal himself.


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  • From James Heaton@heatonandmoore@gmail.com to alt.comp.os.windows-10,uk.telecom.mobile,comp.mobile.android on Sun Jul 6 19:57:43 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.telecom.mobile

    On 06/07/2025 19:35, tony sayer wrote:
    In article <104ddo8$22nfv$1@dont-email.me>, Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal- september.org> scribeth thus
    On 6/07/2025 5:03 am, Mark Lloyd wrote:
    On Thu, 3 Jul 2025 22:07:21 +0100, NY wrote:

    On 03/07/2025 12:32, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    On 2025-07-03 13:18, JMB99 wrote:
    My phone remains in a zipped pocket and need unlocking to be used so >>>>>> takes longer to get into use.

    Certainly, I keep it locked, in a shoulder bag when I am out, or in a >>>>> table when I am in. It is summer, so can't be in a jacket pocket.

    My phone, like my car/house keys, remains in my trouser pocket whenever >>>> I'm not using it or charging it. If I took my phone or my keys out and >>>> left them on a random table, I'd spend ages remembering where I'd left >>>> them and I'd be too much at risk of going out without them.

    My rule is that I can take them out of the pocket*, but NEVER set them
    down in a place that isn't mine (house or car).


    When he was visiting people and if there was something that he HAD to
    take home with him, he would put his car keys next to the object so he
    couldn't leave without being reminded about the object! ;-P

    Been doing that very thing for years whilst working away on site!..

    Tried this with an elderly relative who was prone to leaving his phone
    in the care home he was visiting.

    Worked fine for a couple of days, until the evening we had an irate
    phone call from him. He'd gone back to the car with neither phone nor
    keys... and had to go all the way back!

    James

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  • From Daniel70@daniel47@eternal-september.org to alt.comp.os.windows-10,uk.telecom.mobile,comp.mobile.android on Mon Jul 7 19:03:05 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.telecom.mobile

    On 6/07/2025 10:18 pm, JMB99 wrote:
    On 05/07/2025 20:03, Mark Lloyd wrote:
    Certainly, I keep it locked, in a shoulder bag when I am out, or in a
    table when I am in. It is summer, so can't be in a jacket pocket.

    I EMailed Rohan recently complaining about their shirt pockets.

    "shirt pockets" .... supposedly responsible for 3.5inch 'Floppies' being
    the size they are/were!!
    --
    Daniel70
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  • From J. P. Gilliver@G6JPG@255soft.uk to alt.comp.os.windows-10,uk.telecom.mobile,comp.mobile.android on Mon Jul 7 16:38:44 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.telecom.mobile

    On 2025/7/7 10:3:5, Daniel70 wrote:
    On 6/07/2025 10:18 pm, JMB99 wrote:
    On 05/07/2025 20:03, Mark Lloyd wrote:
    Certainly, I keep it locked, in a shoulder bag when I am out, or in a
    table when I am in. It is summer, so can't be in a jacket pocket.

    I EMailed Rohan recently complaining about their shirt pockets.

    "shirt pockets" .... supposedly responsible for 3.5inch 'Floppies' being
    the size they are/were!!

    Hmm. There was also a slightly different size/format; 3" I think it was.
    My Oric Atmos used those, but it wasn't the only one - some other maker
    (I think it might have been Amstrad (for their word-processor, not the
    664 games machine) did too.
    --
    J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
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  • From Java Jive@java@evij.com.invalid to alt.comp.os.windows-10,uk.telecom.mobile,comp.mobile.android on Mon Jul 7 17:20:37 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.telecom.mobile

    On 2025-07-07 16:38, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
    On 2025/7/7 10:3:5, Daniel70 wrote:
    On 6/07/2025 10:18 pm, JMB99 wrote:
    On 05/07/2025 20:03, Mark Lloyd wrote:
    Certainly, I keep it locked, in a shoulder bag when I am out, or in a
    table when I am in. It is summer, so can't be in a jacket pocket.

    I EMailed Rohan recently complaining about their shirt pockets.

    "shirt pockets" .... supposedly responsible for 3.5inch 'Floppies'
    being the size they are/were!!

    Hmm. There was also a slightly different size/format; 3" I think it was.
    My Oric Atmos used those, but it wasn't the only one - some other maker
    (I think it might have been Amstrad (for their word-processor, not the
    664 games machine) did too.

    For their CPC664/6128 computers *AND* their word-processors - IMS, the latter's electronic design was developed from that of the former, so
    they were very similar underneath the casing.

    However, this gave a problem when upgrading to a PC: "How do I transfer
    my Amstrad data to my PC?", the answer being: "With great difficulty!"

    You could buy software to drive a parallel cable connection, but from
    memory it wasn't cheap, so I devised a special dual format for an
    external 5" floppy drive - the format appeared as a (slightly modified
    from default, but perfectly valid) CP/M format to the CPC6128, and the
    entire CP/M disk contents appeared as one large file to the PC. Then I
    wrote a C-program to read the large file as a virtual CP/M format and
    save the disk contents as the original individual files to my PC's HD.
    Thank f*k we don't have to p*ss around like that any more!
    --

    Fake news kills!

    I may be contacted via the contact address given on my website: www.macfh.co.uk

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