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Is there a way to install additional emojis, without replacing the
standard Android keyboard or having a new app running in the
background?

I sometimes use emojis in messages, but those which came with my phone
are too limited and many seem chosen for school children.
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Pamela wrote:

Is there a way to install additional emojis, without replacing the
standard Android keyboard or having a new app running in the
background?

Additional emoji are generally added by android updates after they've
been added to unicode

I sometimes use emojis in messages, but those which came with my phone
are too limited and many seem chosen for school children.

If you go "adding your own" how do you know your recipient is likely to
have them at the other end?


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On Mon 12/05/2025 19:22, Andy Burns wrote:

Pamela wrote:

Is there a way to install additional emojis, without replacing the
standard Android keyboard or having a new app running in the
background?

Additional emoji are generally added by android updates after they've
been added to unicode

I sometimes use emojis in messages, but those which came with my phone
are too limited and many seem chosen for school children.

If you go "adding your own" how do you know your recipient is likely to
have them at the other end?

Don't forget that adding an emoji to a text message makes the whole
message be sent in double rate, i.e. you only get 80 characters instead
of 160.

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Woody wrote:

Don't forget that adding an emoji to a text message makes the whole
message be sent in double rate, i.e. you only get 80 characters instead
of 160.

Yes, but even dumbphones are capable of stitching multiple text messages
into a longer one.

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In comp.mobile.android, on Mon, 12 May 2025 19:18:49 +0100, Pamela <pamela.private.mailbox@gmail.com> wrote:

Is there a way to install additional emojis, without replacing the
standard Android keyboard or having a new app running in the
background?

I sometimes use emojis in messages, but those which came with my phone
are too limited and many seem chosen for school children.

Hey, what's wrong with that?

Timmy
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On Tue, 13 May 2025 19:26:40 +0100, Woody
<harrogate3@ntlworld.com> wrote:

On Mon 12/05/2025 19:22, Andy Burns wrote:

Pamela wrote:

Is there a way to install additional emojis, without replacing the
standard Android keyboard or having a new app running in the
background?

Additional emoji are generally added by android updates after they've
been added to unicode

I sometimes use emojis in messages, but those which came with my phone
are too limited and many seem chosen for school children.

If you go "adding your own" how do you know your recipient is likely to
have them at the other end?

Don't forget that adding an emoji to a text message makes the whole
message be sent in double rate, i.e. you only get 80 characters instead
of 160.

Pedant alert. Actually that's 140 octets. 7-bit encoding means
that a message can have 160 characters. 16-bit encoding limits
a message to 70 characters. Multipart messages have a 6 octet
header to permit the receiving handset to put the messages
together leaving 134 octets in each part for the actual message.
--
Roger
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Woody <harrogate3@ntlworld.com> wrote:

On Mon 12/05/2025 19:22, Andy Burns wrote:

Pamela wrote:

Is there a way to install additional emojis, without replacing the
standard Android keyboard or having a new app running in the
background?

Additional emoji are generally added by android updates after they've
been added to unicode

I sometimes use emojis in messages, but those which came with my phone
are too limited and many seem chosen for school children.

If you go "adding your own" how do you know your recipient is likely to have them at the other end?

Don't forget that adding an emoji to a text message makes the whole
message be sent in double rate, i.e. you only get 80 characters instead
of 160.

That may be so, but Pamela only mentioned "messages", not SMS ('text') messages per se. So these "messages" might be - and probably are - any
*other* (non-SMS) kind of messages, especially as Pamela (cross)posted
to a UK group. In the non-US/NA world, sending SMS messages is quite
uncommon since many years.
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On 2025-05-12 20:18, Pamela wrote:

Is there a way to install additional emojis, without replacing the
standard Android keyboard or having a new app running in the
background?

I sometimes use emojis in messages, but those which came with my phone
are too limited and many seem chosen for school children.

The problem is that you need to have the same set of emojis at the
recipients side as well. All participants in the conversation need to
have the same set.

Besides that, the recipients might have the same set drawn differently,
as very old people smiling or whatever, so no longer kids :-p
--
Cheers, Carlos.
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Pamela <pamela.private.mailbox@gmail.com> wrote:

Is there a way to install additional emojis, without replacing the
standard Android keyboard or having a new app running in the
background?

I sometimes use emojis in messages, but those which came with my phone
are too limited and many seem chosen for school children.

Sounds like you have an old version of Android/iOS which hasn't been
updated with more recent emojis. If you can't update it to something newer
then I think you're stuck.

Note: emojis are rendered by the viewing device so what you send won't look exactly the same on different devices.

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On 12:30 14 May 2025, Frank Slootweg said:

Woody <harrogate3@ntlworld.com> wrote:

On Mon 12/05/2025 19:22, Andy Burns wrote:

Pamela wrote:

Is there a way to install additional emojis, without replacing
the standard Android keyboard or having a new app running in the
background?

Additional emoji are generally added by android updates after
they've been added to unicode

I sometimes use emojis in messages, but those which came with my
phone are too limited and many seem chosen for school children.

If you go "adding your own" how do you know your recipient is
likely to have them at the other end?

Don't forget that adding an emoji to a text message makes the whole
message be sent in double rate, i.e. you only get 80 characters
instead of 160.

That may be so, but Pamela only mentioned "messages", not SMS
('text') messages per se. So these "messages" might be - and probably
are - any *other* (non-SMS) kind of messages, especially as Pamela (cross)posted to a UK group. In the non-US/NA world, sending SMS
messages is quite uncommon since many years.

You're right. I often send messages using Google "Chat".

My phone also permits Goole RCS messages (instead of sending via SMS).



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On 19:22 12 May 2025, Andy Burns said:

Pamela wrote:

Is there a way to install additional emojis, without replacing the
standard Android keyboard or having a new app running in the
background?

Additional emoji are generally added by android updates after they've
been added to unicode

I sometimes use emojis in messages, but those which came with my phone
are too limited and many seem chosen for school children.

If you go "adding your own" how do you know your recipient is likely to
have them at the other end?

Isn't the emoji sent along with the message text, perhaps as a bitmap
image?

Do you mean the sender and reciever must have the same emoji installed?
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Pamela wrote:

Isn't the emoji sent along with the message text, perhaps as a bitmap
image?

Are all letter "A"s sent along as a bitmap?

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On 07:49 16 May 2025, Andy Burns said:

Pamela wrote:

Isn't the emoji sent along with the message text, perhaps as a
bitmap image?

Are all letter "A"s sent along as a bitmap?

Of course letter A's are sent as a character code, with the glyph being
created locally.

By contrast, emojis are miniature graphics which I thought were sent as embedded low-res bitmaps, perhaps similar to colour fonts in CBDT.
Seems not.

So if emojis are generated locally then all the more reason not to use
them. I already get lost amongst the subtle differences between
smileys, and additional local variation would make them more ambiguous in
some conversations.
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Pamela wrote:

So if emojis are generated locally then all the more reason not to use
them. I already get lost amongst the subtle differences between
smileys, and additional local variation would make them more ambiguous in some conversations.

They only get updated every year or two, "normal" emoji are safe enough
to expect will be rendered as you expect

the most recent additions to android/apple were in september 2023

<https://unicode.org/emoji/charts-15.1/emoji-released.html>

more fruit and veg to be misused as sexual metaphors, coming some time
in 2025

<https://unicode.org/emoji/charts-16.0/emoji-released.html>

These are beta versions, not yet released despite the URL.

<https://unicode.org/emoji/charts-17.0/emoji-released.html>
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On 15/05/2025 23:36, Pamela wrote:

Isn't the emoji sent along with the message text, perhaps as a bitmap
image?

They are sent as characters codes <https://unicode.org/emoji/charts/full-emoji-list.html> or code
sequences <https://unicode.org/emoji/charts/full-emoji-modifiers.html>.
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On 12:08 16 May 2025, David Woolley said:

On 15/05/2025 23:36, Pamela wrote:

Isn't the emoji sent along with the message text, perhaps as a
bitmap image?

They are sent as characters codes

<https://unicode.org/emoji/charts/full-emoji-list.html> or code
sequences
<https://unicode.org/emoji/charts/full-emoji-modifiers.html>.

If the emoji graphic is stored locally then (IMHO) they are much tinier
and more indistinct than necessary.
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On 2025-05-17 14:07, Pamela wrote:

On 12:08 16 May 2025, David Woolley said:

On 15/05/2025 23:36, Pamela wrote:

Isn't the emoji sent along with the message text, perhaps as a
bitmap image?

They are sent as characters codes

<https://unicode.org/emoji/charts/full-emoji-list.html> or code
sequences
<https://unicode.org/emoji/charts/full-emoji-modifiers.html>.

If the emoji graphic is stored locally then (IMHO) they are much tinier
and more indistinct than necessary.

In WhatsApp we can send large emoji. It is the same one, actually.
--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.
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On 17/05/2025 13:07, Pamela wrote:

If the emoji graphic is stored locally then (IMHO) they are much tinier
and more indistinct than necessary.

For Android, the font is Noto Color Emoji, which is an outline font, not
a bitmap one, so there is no specific size. It is up to the local
application to choose how big to make them.
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David Woolley wrote:

Pamela wrote:

If the emoji graphic is stored locally then (IMHO) they are much tinier

and more indistinct than necessary.

For Android, the font is Noto Color Emoji, which is an outline font, not
a bitmap one, so there is no specific size.-a It is up to the local application to choose how big to make them.

Within Google Messages (and likely other apps) you can pinch-zoom to get larger text and emojis
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On 15/05/2025 23:36, Pamela wrote:

Isn't the emoji sent along with the message text, perhaps as a bitmap
image?

For that you want "stickers", not "emoji".

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On 17/05/2025 16:12, David Woolley wrote:

On 17/05/2025 13:07, Pamela wrote:

If the emoji graphic is stored locally then (IMHO) they are much tinier
and more indistinct than necessary.

For Android, the font is Noto Color Emoji,

Samsung devies and some Android apps use their own emoji fonts. We have
not heard what Pamela is using.

which is an outline font, not
a bitmap one, so there is no specific size.

Older versions of Noto Color Emoji use the CBDT/CBLC format which is a
bitmap one. We have not heard what Pamela is using.

It is up to the local
application to choose how big to make them.

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