• Language on TV

    From Scott@newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk to uk.tech.digital-tv on Wed Jul 30 10:08:25 2025
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    On yesterday's Lionesses celebrations, Chloe Kelly used a word that
    was rapidly followed by two apologies by Sky News. I am wondering
    where this leaves Sky News with Ofcom. (1) Is there a language
    restriction on a news broadcast at all, since the news exists to
    report what actually happened? (2) Could Sky use a six-second delay or
    would they then be prevented from claiming the broadcast is 'Live'?
    (3) Could Sky News suffer a penalty (excuse the pun here!).
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  • From JMB99@mb@nospam.net to uk.tech.digital-tv on Wed Jul 30 11:12:27 2025
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    On 30/07/2025 10:08, Scott wrote:
    On yesterday's Lionesses celebrations, Chloe Kelly used a word that
    was rapidly followed by two apologies by Sky News.


    It was also heard on BBC, Alex Scott apologised immediately.

    I can't imagine there being any penalties.


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  • From Scott@newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk to uk.tech.digital-tv on Wed Jul 30 11:29:15 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.digital-tv

    On Wed, 30 Jul 2025 11:12:27 +0100, JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> wrote:

    On 30/07/2025 10:08, Scott wrote:
    On yesterday's Lionesses celebrations, Chloe Kelly used a word that
    was rapidly followed by two apologies by Sky News.

    It was also heard on BBC, Alex Scott apologised immediately.

    I can't imagine there being any penalties.

    Sarina may have something to say during the debriefing :-)
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  • From Tweed@usenet.tweed@gmail.com to uk.tech.digital-tv on Wed Jul 30 10:34:16 2025
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    Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
    On Wed, 30 Jul 2025 11:12:27 +0100, JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> wrote:

    On 30/07/2025 10:08, Scott wrote:
    On yesterday's Lionesses celebrations, Chloe Kelly used a word that
    was rapidly followed by two apologies by Sky News.

    It was also heard on BBC, Alex Scott apologised immediately.

    I can't imagine there being any penalties.

    Sarina may have something to say during the debriefing :-)


    IrCOve no idea why people make so much fuss over such a word.

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  • From Scott@newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk to uk.tech.digital-tv on Wed Jul 30 12:02:38 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.digital-tv

    On Wed, 30 Jul 2025 10:34:16 -0000 (UTC), Tweed
    <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:

    Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
    On Wed, 30 Jul 2025 11:12:27 +0100, JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> wrote:

    On 30/07/2025 10:08, Scott wrote:
    On yesterday's Lionesses celebrations, Chloe Kelly used a word that
    was rapidly followed by two apologies by Sky News.

    It was also heard on BBC, Alex Scott apologised immediately.

    I can't imagine there being any penalties.

    Sarina may have something to say during the debriefing :-)

    IAve no idea why people make so much fuss over such a word.

    I see what you mean but I think the argument could be that if the
    Lionesses are the role models for young girls, some parents may feel
    strongly that this is not an appropriate example to follow
    linguistically.

    My dad had friends who would not allow their son - even as a teenager
    - to attend any football matches in case he was exposed to offensive
    language. OTOH my brother had a friend who called his father a
    'fucking ignorant bastard' one morning and the father responded 'Who
    the fuck is swearing at the breakfast table?'
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  • From Java Jive@java@evij.com.invalid to uk.tech.digital-tv on Wed Jul 30 12:08:55 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.digital-tv

    On 2025-07-30 12:02, Scott wrote:

    I see what you mean but I think the argument could be that if the
    Lionesses are the role models for young girls, some parents may feel
    strongly that this is not an appropriate example to follow
    linguistically.

    My dad had friends who would not allow their son - even as a teenager
    - to attend any football matches in case he was exposed to offensive language. OTOH my brother had a friend who called his father a
    'fucking ignorant bastard' one morning and the father responded 'Who
    the fuck is swearing at the breakfast table?'

    Rather as we used to joke as students at college: "Stop fucking swearing!"
    --

    Fake news kills!

    I may be contacted via the contact address given on my website: www.macfh.co.uk

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  • From JMB99@mb@nospam.net to uk.tech.digital-tv on Wed Jul 30 12:24:27 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.digital-tv

    On 30/07/2025 12:02, Scott wrote:
    I see what you mean but I think the argument could be that if the
    Lionesses are the role models for young girls, some parents may feel
    strongly that this is not an appropriate example to follow
    linguistically.


    I am sure that someone will try to make a fuss about it being heard on
    the BBC but most will excuse it.

    I commented to someone last night that it is unusual for there to be a
    British team playing abroad without any stories of violence, drunkenness
    etc.


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  • From Tweed@usenet.tweed@gmail.com to uk.tech.digital-tv on Wed Jul 30 13:27:21 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.digital-tv

    Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
    On Wed, 30 Jul 2025 10:34:16 -0000 (UTC), Tweed
    <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:

    Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
    On Wed, 30 Jul 2025 11:12:27 +0100, JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> wrote:

    On 30/07/2025 10:08, Scott wrote:
    On yesterday's Lionesses celebrations, Chloe Kelly used a word that
    was rapidly followed by two apologies by Sky News.

    It was also heard on BBC, Alex Scott apologised immediately.

    I can't imagine there being any penalties.

    Sarina may have something to say during the debriefing :-)

    I-Ave no idea why people make so much fuss over such a word.

    I see what you mean but I think the argument could be that if the
    Lionesses are the role models for young girls, some parents may feel
    strongly that this is not an appropriate example to follow
    linguistically.

    My dad had friends who would not allow their son - even as a teenager
    - to attend any football matches in case he was exposed to offensive language. OTOH my brother had a friend who called his father a
    'fucking ignorant bastard' one morning and the father responded 'Who
    the fuck is swearing at the breakfast table?'


    I think you will find that most youngsters are already casual in their use
    of language, especially those with parents that attempt to control.

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  • From Ottavio Caruso@ottavio2006-usenet2012@yahoo.com to uk.tech.digital-tv on Wed Jul 30 15:02:59 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.digital-tv

    Op 30/07/2025 om 11:34 schreef Tweed:
    Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
    On Wed, 30 Jul 2025 11:12:27 +0100, JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> wrote:

    On 30/07/2025 10:08, Scott wrote:
    On yesterday's Lionesses celebrations, Chloe Kelly used a word that
    was rapidly followed by two apologies by Sky News.

    It was also heard on BBC, Alex Scott apologised immediately.

    I can't imagine there being any penalties.

    Sarina may have something to say during the debriefing :-)


    IrCOve no idea why people make so much fuss over such a word.


    What word was it?
    --
    Ottavio Caruso
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  • From JNugent@JNugent73@mail.com to uk.tech.digital-tv on Wed Jul 30 15:13:05 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.digital-tv

    On 30/07/2025 12:24 PM, JMB99 wrote:

    On 30/07/2025 12:02, Scott wrote:

    I see what you mean but I think the argument could be that if the
    Lionesses are the role models for young girls, some parents may feel
    strongly that this is not an appropriate example to follow
    linguistically.

    I am sure that someone will try to make a fuss about it being heard on
    the BBC but most will excuse it.

    I commented to someone last night that it is unusual for there to be a British team playing abroad without any stories of violence, drunkenness
    etc.

    By the *players*?

    Or by someone or some group not connected with the team?
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  • From JNugent@JNugent73@mail.com to uk.tech.digital-tv on Wed Jul 30 15:14:12 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.digital-tv

    On 30/07/2025 03:02 PM, Ottavio Caruso wrote:

    Op 30/07/2025 om 11:34 schreef Tweed:
    Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
    On Wed, 30 Jul 2025 11:12:27 +0100, JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> wrote:
    On 30/07/2025 10:08, Scott wrote:

    On yesterday's Lionesses celebrations, Chloe Kelly used a word that
    was rapidly followed by two apologies by Sky News.

    It was also heard on BBC, Alex Scott apologised immediately.
    I can't imagine there being any penalties.

    Sarina may have something to say during the debriefing :-)

    IrCOve no idea why people make so much fuss over such a word.

    What word was it?

    My thought exactly. It can't have been any worse that the words nowadays routinely heard in TV drama.
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  • From Scott@newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk to uk.tech.digital-tv on Wed Jul 30 17:50:54 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.digital-tv

    On Wed, 30 Jul 2025 13:27:21 -0000 (UTC), Tweed
    <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:

    Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
    On Wed, 30 Jul 2025 10:34:16 -0000 (UTC), Tweed
    <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:

    Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
    On Wed, 30 Jul 2025 11:12:27 +0100, JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> wrote:

    On 30/07/2025 10:08, Scott wrote:
    On yesterday's Lionesses celebrations, Chloe Kelly used a word that >>>>>> was rapidly followed by two apologies by Sky News.

    It was also heard on BBC, Alex Scott apologised immediately.

    I can't imagine there being any penalties.

    Sarina may have something to say during the debriefing :-)

    I?ve no idea why people make so much fuss over such a word.

    I see what you mean but I think the argument could be that if the
    Lionesses are the role models for young girls, some parents may feel
    strongly that this is not an appropriate example to follow
    linguistically.

    My dad had friends who would not allow their son - even as a teenager
    - to attend any football matches in case he was exposed to offensive
    language. OTOH my brother had a friend who called his father a
    'fucking ignorant bastard' one morning and the father responded 'Who
    the fuck is swearing at the breakfast table?'

    I think you will find that most youngsters are already casual in their use
    of language, especially those with parents that attempt to control.

    I cannot disagree but it was the reaction of some parents that I was
    thinking of, not that of the young people themselves. And despite your
    analysis Ofcom has on occasions taken action over use of language
    before the 'watershed'.
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  • From Scott@newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk to uk.tech.digital-tv on Wed Jul 30 17:51:33 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.digital-tv

    On Wed, 30 Jul 2025 15:14:12 +0100, JNugent <JNugent73@mail.com>
    wrote:

    On 30/07/2025 03:02 PM, Ottavio Caruso wrote:

    Op 30/07/2025 om 11:34 schreef Tweed:
    Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
    On Wed, 30 Jul 2025 11:12:27 +0100, JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> wrote:
    On 30/07/2025 10:08, Scott wrote:

    On yesterday's Lionesses celebrations, Chloe Kelly used a word that >>>>>> was rapidly followed by two apologies by Sky News.

    It was also heard on BBC, Alex Scott apologised immediately.
    I can't imagine there being any penalties.

    Sarina may have something to say during the debriefing :-)

    IAve no idea why people make so much fuss over such a word.

    What word was it?

    My thought exactly. It can't have been any worse that the words nowadays >routinely heard in TV drama.

    After 9 pm you mean?
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  • From Tweed@usenet.tweed@gmail.com to uk.tech.digital-tv on Wed Jul 30 17:12:45 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.digital-tv

    Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
    On Wed, 30 Jul 2025 13:27:21 -0000 (UTC), Tweed
    <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:

    Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
    On Wed, 30 Jul 2025 10:34:16 -0000 (UTC), Tweed
    <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:

    Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
    On Wed, 30 Jul 2025 11:12:27 +0100, JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> wrote:

    On 30/07/2025 10:08, Scott wrote:
    On yesterday's Lionesses celebrations, Chloe Kelly used a word that >>>>>>> was rapidly followed by two apologies by Sky News.

    It was also heard on BBC, Alex Scott apologised immediately.

    I can't imagine there being any penalties.

    Sarina may have something to say during the debriefing :-)

    I?ve no idea why people make so much fuss over such a word.

    I see what you mean but I think the argument could be that if the
    Lionesses are the role models for young girls, some parents may feel
    strongly that this is not an appropriate example to follow
    linguistically.

    My dad had friends who would not allow their son - even as a teenager
    - to attend any football matches in case he was exposed to offensive
    language. OTOH my brother had a friend who called his father a
    'fucking ignorant bastard' one morning and the father responded 'Who
    the fuck is swearing at the breakfast table?'

    I think you will find that most youngsters are already casual in their use >> of language, especially those with parents that attempt to control.

    I cannot disagree but it was the reaction of some parents that I was
    thinking of, not that of the young people themselves. And despite your analysis Ofcom has on occasions taken action over use of language
    before the 'watershed'.

    Ofcom has to throw crumbs to the Daily Mail occasionally.

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  • From Scott@newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk to uk.tech.digital-tv on Wed Jul 30 18:20:12 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.digital-tv

    On Wed, 30 Jul 2025 17:12:45 -0000 (UTC), Tweed
    <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:

    Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
    On Wed, 30 Jul 2025 13:27:21 -0000 (UTC), Tweed
    <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:

    Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
    On Wed, 30 Jul 2025 10:34:16 -0000 (UTC), Tweed
    <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:

    Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
    On Wed, 30 Jul 2025 11:12:27 +0100, JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> wrote:

    On 30/07/2025 10:08, Scott wrote:
    On yesterday's Lionesses celebrations, Chloe Kelly used a word that >>>>>>>> was rapidly followed by two apologies by Sky News.

    It was also heard on BBC, Alex Scott apologised immediately.

    I can't imagine there being any penalties.

    Sarina may have something to say during the debriefing :-)

    I?ve no idea why people make so much fuss over such a word.

    I see what you mean but I think the argument could be that if the
    Lionesses are the role models for young girls, some parents may feel
    strongly that this is not an appropriate example to follow
    linguistically.

    My dad had friends who would not allow their son - even as a teenager
    - to attend any football matches in case he was exposed to offensive
    language. OTOH my brother had a friend who called his father a
    'fucking ignorant bastard' one morning and the father responded 'Who
    the fuck is swearing at the breakfast table?'

    I think you will find that most youngsters are already casual in their use >>> of language, especially those with parents that attempt to control.

    I cannot disagree but it was the reaction of some parents that I was
    thinking of, not that of the young people themselves. And despite your
    analysis Ofcom has on occasions taken action over use of language
    before the 'watershed'.

    Ofcom has to throw crumbs to the Daily Mail occasionally.

    Well, whatever. I only asked if there would be any consequences and
    the general view seems to be 'no'.

    I also asked if Sky News could delay the broadcast by six seconds and
    still describe it as 'Live' but there are no takers on this one.
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  • From JNugent@JNugent73@mail.com to uk.tech.digital-tv on Thu Jul 31 15:58:47 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.digital-tv

    On 30/07/2025 05:51 PM, Scott wrote:
    On Wed, 30 Jul 2025 15:14:12 +0100, JNugent <JNugent73@mail.com>
    wrote:

    On 30/07/2025 03:02 PM, Ottavio Caruso wrote:

    Op 30/07/2025 om 11:34 schreef Tweed:
    Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
    On Wed, 30 Jul 2025 11:12:27 +0100, JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> wrote:
    On 30/07/2025 10:08, Scott wrote:

    On yesterday's Lionesses celebrations, Chloe Kelly used a word that >>>>>>> was rapidly followed by two apologies by Sky News.

    It was also heard on BBC, Alex Scott apologised immediately.
    I can't imagine there being any penalties.

    Sarina may have something to say during the debriefing :-)

    IAve no idea why people make so much fuss over such a word.

    What word was it?

    My thought exactly. It can't have been any worse that the words nowadays
    routinely heard in TV drama.

    After 9 pm you mean?

    There isn't a video recording apparatus chez vous?

    Or a streaming account?

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  • From JNugent@JNugent73@mail.com to uk.tech.digital-tv on Thu Jul 31 15:59:32 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.digital-tv

    On 30/07/2025 06:20 PM, Scott wrote:
    On Wed, 30 Jul 2025 17:12:45 -0000 (UTC), Tweed
    <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:

    Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
    On Wed, 30 Jul 2025 13:27:21 -0000 (UTC), Tweed
    <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:

    Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
    On Wed, 30 Jul 2025 10:34:16 -0000 (UTC), Tweed
    <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:

    Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
    On Wed, 30 Jul 2025 11:12:27 +0100, JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> wrote: >>>>>>>
    On 30/07/2025 10:08, Scott wrote:
    On yesterday's Lionesses celebrations, Chloe Kelly used a word that >>>>>>>>> was rapidly followed by two apologies by Sky News.

    It was also heard on BBC, Alex Scott apologised immediately.

    I can't imagine there being any penalties.

    Sarina may have something to say during the debriefing :-)

    I?ve no idea why people make so much fuss over such a word.

    I see what you mean but I think the argument could be that if the
    Lionesses are the role models for young girls, some parents may feel >>>>> strongly that this is not an appropriate example to follow
    linguistically.

    My dad had friends who would not allow their son - even as a teenager >>>>> - to attend any football matches in case he was exposed to offensive >>>>> language. OTOH my brother had a friend who called his father a
    'fucking ignorant bastard' one morning and the father responded 'Who >>>>> the fuck is swearing at the breakfast table?'

    I think you will find that most youngsters are already casual in their use >>>> of language, especially those with parents that attempt to control.

    I cannot disagree but it was the reaction of some parents that I was
    thinking of, not that of the young people themselves. And despite your
    analysis Ofcom has on occasions taken action over use of language
    before the 'watershed'.

    Ofcom has to throw crumbs to the Daily Mail occasionally.

    Well, whatever. I only asked if there would be any consequences and
    the general view seems to be 'no'.

    I also asked if Sky News could delay the broadcast by six seconds and
    still describe it as 'Live' but there are no takers on this one.

    Isn't it delayed by two or three seconds anyway?


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