• WEEE regulations

    From Scott@newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk to uk.tech.digital-tv on Mon Jun 23 10:13:51 2025
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    Here is a tangential question: Are VHS tapes covered by the WEEE
    regulations (I believe they are)? Does the local authority have a responsibility to accept and recycle or can they just add them to the
    general waste?
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  • From Tweed@usenet.tweed@gmail.com to uk.tech.digital-tv on Mon Jun 23 10:21:42 2025
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    Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
    Here is a tangential question: Are VHS tapes covered by the WEEE
    regulations (I believe they are)? Does the local authority have a responsibility to accept and recycle or can they just add them to the
    general waste?


    https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/electrical-and-electronic-equipment-eee-covered-by-the-weee-regulations/electrical-and-electronic-equipment-eee-covered-by-the-weee-regulations

    Going by this IrCOd say VHS tapes are not covered by WEEE regulations.

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  • From Scott@newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk to uk.tech.digital-tv on Mon Jun 23 12:32:00 2025
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    On Mon, 23 Jun 2025 10:21:42 -0000 (UTC), Tweed
    <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:

    Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
    Here is a tangential question: Are VHS tapes covered by the WEEE
    regulations (I believe they are)? Does the local authority have a
    responsibility to accept and recycle or can they just add them to the
    general waste?
    https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/electrical-and-electronic-equipment-eee-covered-by-the-weee-regulations/electrical-and-electronic-equipment-eee-covered-by-the-weee-regulations

    Going by this IAd say VHS tapes are not covered by WEEE regulations.

    This was my first thought but the AI overview says this:

    "Yes, VHS tapes are considered Waste Electrical and Electronic
    Equipment (WEEE) under UK regulations when they are discarded. The
    WEEE regulations aim to manage the disposal of electrical and
    electronic items, including those with plugs or batteries, and VHS
    tapes fall under this category.
    Elaboration:
    The UK's WEEE regulations are in place to ensure the responsible
    collection, treatment, and recovery of electronic waste. These
    regulations apply to a wide range of products, including consumer
    electronics like televisions, hi-fi equipment, and camcorders, which encompasses VHS players and tapes.
    When a VHS tape reaches the end of its life and is discarded, it
    becomes part of the WEEE stream. This means it should not be disposed
    of with regular household waste but rather recycled through designated collection facilities. "

    Then your own link says:

    "EEE means equipment:

    which is dependent on electric currents or electromagnetic fields to
    work properly
    for generating, transferring and measuring these currents and fields
    designed for use with a voltage rating 1,000 volts or less for
    alternating current, and 1,500 volts or less for direct current
    aDependent on electric currents or electromagnetic fields to work
    properlyA means that the equipment needs electric currents or
    electromagnetic fields (not petrol or gas) to fulfil its basic
    function. So when the electric current is off, the equipment cannot
    fulfil its basic function."

    Does "dependent on electric currents or electromagnetic fields" not
    cover the theory of How magnetic tape works?

    I am asking because I wonder if the local authority has a legal duty
    to accept and recycle a quantity of VHS tapes.
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  • From Rupert Moss-Eccardt@news@moss-eccardt.com to uk.tech.digital-tv on Mon Jun 23 12:58:41 2025
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    On 23 Jun 2025 12:32, Scott wrote:
    On Mon, 23 Jun 2025 10:21:42 -0000 (UTC), Tweed
    <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:

    Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
    Here is a tangential question: Are VHS tapes covered by the WEEE
    regulations (I believe they are)? Does the local authority have a
    responsibility to accept and recycle or can they just add them to the
    general waste?
    https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/electrical-and-electronic-equipment-eee-covered-by-the-weee-regulations/electrical-and-electronic-equipment-eee-covered-by-the-weee-regulations

    Going by this I-Ad say VHS tapes are not covered by WEEE regulations.

    This was my first thought but the AI overview says this:

    "Yes, VHS tapes are considered Waste Electrical and Electronic
    Equipment (WEEE) under UK regulations when they are discarded. The
    WEEE regulations aim to manage the disposal of electrical and
    electronic items, including those with plugs or batteries, and VHS
    tapes fall under this category.
    Elaboration:
    The UK's WEEE regulations are in place to ensure the responsible
    collection, treatment, and recovery of electronic waste. These
    regulations apply to a wide range of products, including consumer
    electronics like televisions, hi-fi equipment, and camcorders, which encompasses VHS players and tapes.
    When a VHS tape reaches the end of its life and is discarded, it
    becomes part of the WEEE stream. This means it should not be disposed
    of with regular household waste but rather recycled through designated collection facilities. "

    Then your own link says:

    "EEE means equipment:

    which is dependent on electric currents or electromagnetic fields to
    work properly
    for generating, transferring and measuring these currents and fields
    designed for use with a voltage rating 1,000 volts or less for
    alternating current, and 1,500 volts or less for direct current
    -aDependent on electric currents or electromagnetic fields to work
    properly-A means that the equipment needs electric currents or electromagnetic fields (not petrol or gas) to fulfil its basic
    function. So when the electric current is off, the equipment cannot
    fulfil its basic function."

    Does "dependent on electric currents or electromagnetic fields" not
    cover the theory of How magnetic tape works?

    I am asking because I wonder if the local authority has a legal duty
    to accept and recycle a quantity of VHS tapes.

    If we are looking at electromagnetic effects then I guess the Waste
    Authority should also run the morgues and funeral directors

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  • From alan_m@junk@admac.myzen.co.uk to uk.tech.digital-tv on Mon Jun 23 13:13:40 2025
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    On 23/06/2025 12:32, Scott wrote:


    I am asking because I wonder if the local authority has a legal duty
    to accept and recycle a quantity of VHS tapes.

    Google (AI) suggests local authorities are not responsible but may
    choose to provide facilities for collection, and maybe only at
    designated collection points.
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  • From Tweed@usenet.tweed@gmail.com to uk.tech.digital-tv on Mon Jun 23 12:33:27 2025
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    Rupert Moss-Eccardt <news@moss-eccardt.com> wrote:
    On 23 Jun 2025 12:32, Scott wrote:
    On Mon, 23 Jun 2025 10:21:42 -0000 (UTC), Tweed
    <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:

    Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
    Here is a tangential question: Are VHS tapes covered by the WEEE
    regulations (I believe they are)? Does the local authority have a
    responsibility to accept and recycle or can they just add them to the
    general waste?

    https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/electrical-and-electronic-equipment-eee-covered-by-the-weee-regulations/electrical-and-electronic-equipment-eee-covered-by-the-weee-regulations

    Going by this I-Ad say VHS tapes are not covered by WEEE regulations.

    This was my first thought but the AI overview says this:

    "Yes, VHS tapes are considered Waste Electrical and Electronic
    Equipment (WEEE) under UK regulations when they are discarded. The
    WEEE regulations aim to manage the disposal of electrical and
    electronic items, including those with plugs or batteries, and VHS
    tapes fall under this category.
    Elaboration:
    The UK's WEEE regulations are in place to ensure the responsible
    collection, treatment, and recovery of electronic waste. These
    regulations apply to a wide range of products, including consumer
    electronics like televisions, hi-fi equipment, and camcorders, which
    encompasses VHS players and tapes.
    When a VHS tape reaches the end of its life and is discarded, it
    becomes part of the WEEE stream. This means it should not be disposed
    of with regular household waste but rather recycled through designated
    collection facilities. "

    Then your own link says:

    "EEE means equipment:

    which is dependent on electric currents or electromagnetic fields to
    work properly
    for generating, transferring and measuring these currents and fields
    designed for use with a voltage rating 1,000 volts or less for
    alternating current, and 1,500 volts or less for direct current
    -aDependent on electric currents or electromagnetic fields to work
    properly-A means that the equipment needs electric currents or
    electromagnetic fields (not petrol or gas) to fulfil its basic
    function. So when the electric current is off, the equipment cannot
    fulfil its basic function."

    Does "dependent on electric currents or electromagnetic fields" not
    cover the theory of How magnetic tape works?

    I am asking because I wonder if the local authority has a legal duty
    to accept and recycle a quantity of VHS tapes.

    If we are looking at electromagnetic effects then I guess the Waste
    Authority should also run the morgues and funeral directors



    :)

    My central heating radiator is dependent on an electric current to work, because without electricity my heatingrCOs pump doesnrCOt operate. But I donrCOt
    think it makes the radiator WEEE.

    But on the other hand these examples are shown to be caught in the site I referenced:

    printer cartridges that need electric currents or electromagnetic fields to work rCo exclude the ink from the weight you report

    radio frequency identification devices (RFID) rCo includes radio tracking devices, anti-theft devices and electronic tags for criminals (a RFID
    security feature that forms part of the productrCOs packaging is not an EEE product)

    Which you could argue would extend to VHS tapes. (I wonder where that
    leaves smart cards, especially the one time useable Glasgow Subway type).

    However, in practical terms your local tip is going to send them to
    landfill or incineration as thererCOs no copper or other significant useful materials to recover. So you might as well put them in your domestic
    refuse.

    I think a more practical definition is does it contain copper or gold in sufficient quantity to be recoverable.

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  • From Tweed@usenet.tweed@gmail.com to uk.tech.digital-tv on Mon Jun 23 12:36:56 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.digital-tv

    alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
    On 23/06/2025 12:32, Scott wrote:


    I am asking because I wonder if the local authority has a legal duty
    to accept and recycle a quantity of VHS tapes.

    Google (AI) suggests local authorities are not responsible but may
    choose to provide facilities for collection, and maybe only at
    designated collection points.


    Or take them to your local CurryrCOs store:

    rCLCome in-store for free recycling!rCY

    rCLYou can come in-store to recycle your old, small bits & bobs of tech for free!

    Whether or not you bought your tech from us or someone else, you can
    recycle in-store old TVs, toasters, and everything in between!rCY

    Something along the lines of revenge is a dish served coldrCa..

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  • From Scott@newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk to uk.tech.digital-tv on Mon Jun 23 13:37:54 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.digital-tv

    On Mon, 23 Jun 2025 13:13:40 +0100, alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk>
    wrote:

    On 23/06/2025 12:32, Scott wrote:


    I am asking because I wonder if the local authority has a legal duty
    to accept and recycle a quantity of VHS tapes.

    Google (AI) suggests local authorities are not responsible but may
    choose to provide facilities for collection, and maybe only at
    designated collection points.

    Yes, SEPA supports this: https://www.sepa.org.uk/regulations/waste/waste-electrical-and-electronic-equipment-weee/
    How the regulations affects local authorities
    The UK WEEE regulations do not place collection and disposal
    obligations on local authorities, although it is widely accepted that
    most household WEEE is likely to be collected via the UK's network of
    civic amenity sites.

    If the item is placed in the electrical section at the site, does it
    not become the responsibility of the local authority to dispose of it responsibly? Would they be breaching the WEEE regs by incinerating it?
    I don't think there will be any 'producer' responsibility if these
    items are no longer produced. How does on responsibly dispose of
    magnetic tape?
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  • From Andy Burns@usenet@andyburns.uk to uk.tech.digital-tv on Mon Jun 23 13:38:02 2025
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    Scott wrote:

    Tweed wrote:

    https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/electrical-and-electronic-equipment-eee-covered-by-the-weee-regulations/electrical-and-electronic-equipment-eee-covered-by-the-weee-regulations

    Going by this IrCOd say VHS tapes are not covered by WEEE regulations.

    This was my first thought but the AI overview says this:

    "Yes, VHS tapes are considered Waste Electrical and Electronic
    Equipment (WEEE) under UK regulations when they are discarded.
    I'd say that is a good example of AI reading two and two and making six,
    if you follow the reference links it gives,mnome of them say what it
    says in its summaries ...

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  • From Scott@newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk to uk.tech.digital-tv on Mon Jun 23 13:41:03 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.digital-tv

    On Mon, 23 Jun 2025 12:36:56 -0000 (UTC), Tweed
    <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:

    alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
    On 23/06/2025 12:32, Scott wrote:


    I am asking because I wonder if the local authority has a legal duty
    to accept and recycle a quantity of VHS tapes.

    Google (AI) suggests local authorities are not responsible but may
    choose to provide facilities for collection, and maybe only at
    designated collection points.


    Or take them to your local CurryAs store:

    oCome in-store for free recycling!o

    oYou can come in-store to recycle your old, small bits & bobs of tech for >free!

    Whether or not you bought your tech from us or someone else, you can
    recycle in-store old TVs, toasters, and everything in between!o

    Something along the lines of revenge is a dish served colda..

    I did think of that - and John Lewis. How would I win an argument
    whether a VHS tape is 'tech' or a consumable, or know that they would
    not just bin it the moment I left the shop?
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  • From Scott@newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk to uk.tech.digital-tv on Mon Jun 23 13:42:19 2025
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    On Mon, 23 Jun 2025 13:38:02 +0100, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
    wrote:

    Scott wrote:

    Tweed wrote:

    https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/electrical-and-electronic-equipment-eee-covered-by-the-weee-regulations/electrical-and-electronic-equipment-eee-covered-by-the-weee-regulations

    Going by this IAd say VHS tapes are not covered by WEEE regulations.

    This was my first thought but the AI overview says this:

    "Yes, VHS tapes are considered Waste Electrical and Electronic
    Equipment (WEEE) under UK regulations when they are discarded.
    I'd say that is a good example of AI reading two and two and making six,
    if you follow the reference links it gives,mnome of them say what it
    says in its summaries ...

    True, but it corresponds with the definition I posted (arguably).
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  • From Tweed@usenet.tweed@gmail.com to uk.tech.digital-tv on Mon Jun 23 12:43:22 2025
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    Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
    Scott wrote:

    Tweed wrote:

    https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/electrical-and-electronic-equipment-eee-covered-by-the-weee-regulations/electrical-and-electronic-equipment-eee-covered-by-the-weee-regulations

    Going by this IrCOd say VHS tapes are not covered by WEEE regulations.

    This was my first thought but the AI overview says this:

    "Yes, VHS tapes are considered Waste Electrical and Electronic
    Equipment (WEEE) under UK regulations when they are discarded.
    I'd say that is a good example of AI reading two and two and making six,
    if you follow the reference links it gives,mnome of them say what it
    says in its summaries ...



    GooglerCOs AI overviews are often wrong. IrCOd certainly not rely on them for a legal opinion.

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  • From Tweed@usenet.tweed@gmail.com to uk.tech.digital-tv on Mon Jun 23 12:48:06 2025
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    Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
    On Mon, 23 Jun 2025 12:36:56 -0000 (UTC), Tweed
    <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:

    alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
    On 23/06/2025 12:32, Scott wrote:


    I am asking because I wonder if the local authority has a legal duty
    to accept and recycle a quantity of VHS tapes.

    Google (AI) suggests local authorities are not responsible but may
    choose to provide facilities for collection, and maybe only at
    designated collection points.


    Or take them to your local Curry-As store:

    -oCome in-store for free recycling!-o

    -oYou can come in-store to recycle your old, small bits & bobs of tech for >> free!

    Whether or not you bought your tech from us or someone else, you can
    recycle in-store old TVs, toasters, and everything in between!-o

    Something along the lines of revenge is a dish served cold-a..

    I did think of that - and John Lewis. How would I win an argument
    whether a VHS tape is 'tech' or a consumable, or know that they would
    not just bin it the moment I left the shop?


    Like much of our rCLrecyclingrCY it would probably end up in a container, sent to the third world and dumped in a hole or burnt. Most plastic based waste
    is never recycled properly.

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  • From fred@not@for.mail to uk.tech.digital-tv on Fri Jun 27 12:11:43 2025
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    Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote in
    news:103bhp8$18mac$1@dont-email.me:


    Or take them to your local CurryrCOs store:

    rCLCome in-store for free recycling!rCY

    rCLYou can come in-store to recycle your old, small bits & bobs of
    tech for free!

    Whether or not you bought your tech from us or someone else, you can
    recycle in-store old TVs, toasters, and everything in between!rCY

    Something along the lines of revenge is a dish served coldrCa..


    Best post in a long time, I have plently of revenge to score on that particular outfit!

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