• PSOT: Query on FireSticks etc

    From Woody@harrogate3@ntlworld.com to uk.tech.digital-tv on Thu Jun 12 17:25:58 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.digital-tv

    There has been much lately of the fact that a good wi-fi signal on a
    site can feed a FireStick and be used for FTA TV.

    Question: There are a number of sticks around - Amazon Firestick, Now,
    Rakuten TV, etc - but which of them if any can I use to watch normal
    broadcast TV free of charge. I 'think' I can with a FireStick albeit its rather complicated to set up or change channel, but I know not about any others.

    Any advice welcomed.


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  • From Andy Burns@usenet@andyburns.uk to uk.tech.digital-tv on Thu Jun 12 17:37:32 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.digital-tv

    Woody wrote:

    which of them if any can I use to watch normal broadcast TV

    "Normal broadcast TV" as in DVB-T/DVB-S ? ... None of them.

    They all rely on streaming services iPlayer/itvX/My4/U or whatever
    they're each called this week.

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  • From Woody@harrogate3@ntlworld.com to uk.tech.digital-tv on Thu Jun 12 18:12:41 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.digital-tv

    On Thu 12/06/2025 17:37, Andy Burns wrote:
    Woody wrote:

    which of them if any can I use to watch normal broadcast TV

    "Normal broadcast TV" as in DVB-T/DVB-S ? ... None of them.

    They all rely on streaming services iPlayer/itvX/My4/U or whatever
    they're each called this week.


    I appreciate that. The situation is that we are taking our caravan to an
    area that has only a relay transmitting 'Freeview Lite' but has a strong
    and fast on-site wi-fi coverage (only five caravans max) and we would
    like to watch some of the other channels. I also realise that we can
    watch them using iPlayer, itvX, All4, 5 etc but I am just after finding
    out which stick provides these (streaming) services f.o.c. without
    charge and (preferably) without annoying adverts, and specifically which
    is the easiest to use.


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  • From SH@i.love@spam.com to uk.tech.digital-tv on Thu Jun 12 21:44:39 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.digital-tv

    On 12/06/2025 18:12, Woody wrote:
    On Thu 12/06/2025 17:37, Andy Burns wrote:
    Woody wrote:

    which of them if any can I use to watch normal broadcast TV

    "Normal broadcast TV" as in DVB-T/DVB-S ? ... None of them.

    They all rely on streaming services iPlayer/itvX/My4/U or whatever
    they're each called this week.


    I appreciate that. The situation is that we are taking our caravan to an area that has only a relay transmitting 'Freeview Lite' but has a strong
    and fast on-site wi-fi coverage (only five caravans max) and we would
    like to watch some of the other channels. I also realise that we can
    watch them using iPlayer, itvX, All4, 5 etc but I am just after finding
    out which stick provides these (streaming) services f.o.c. without
    charge and (preferably) without annoying adverts, and specifically which
    is the easiest to use.




    Freely and Roku have signed an agreement to put Freely on Roku
    hardware.... so when that comes out, buy a Roku stick that supports
    Freely (freely is by the same company that also does Freeview and Freesat)

    https://www.cordbusters.co.uk/beyond-freeview-freely-lands-roku/

    It sounds like it will be on Roku powered TVs first before possibly
    appearing on Roku sticks.
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  • From Roderick Stewart@rjfs@escapetime.myzen.co.uk to uk.tech.digital-tv on Fri Jun 13 08:55:38 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.digital-tv

    On Thu, 12 Jun 2025 17:25:58 +0100, Woody <harrogate3@ntlworld.com>
    wrote:

    There has been much lately of the fact that a good wi-fi signal on a
    site can feed a FireStick and be used for FTA TV.

    Question: There are a number of sticks around - Amazon Firestick, Now, >Rakuten TV, etc - but which of them if any can I use to watch normal >broadcast TV free of charge. I 'think' I can with a FireStick albeit its >rather complicated to set up or change channel, but I know not about any >others.

    Any advice welcomed.

    There is a section labelled 'Live TV' which appears to be the same
    channels that are available on Freeview. I haven't explored it because
    I ditched the TV licence last year and can't legally watch anything on
    it, and I'm not sure why I'd ever want to watch TV to somebody else's
    timetable anyway when I can watch any movie or catchup programme
    whenever I want, but it's there if you want it.

    I have the FireStick 4k Max because it's the only one with 16GB
    storage space. The others have only 8GB and you don't need to install
    very many extra apps to fill it up. It's possible to extend the
    storage space of any of the Firesticks with a cheap adaptor and a USB thumbdrive, but I thought it best to get something that was already
    adequate for my needs without any extra complication.

    Reviews and descriptions of TV streaming devices often give lots of
    technical guff but never say much about what programmes you can
    receive, which strikes me as odd considering that reception of
    programmes is what they're actually for. You'd have to buy one to find
    out that, for example, some pure Android boxes don't have apps for
    some of the UK terrestrial catchup services. The FireSticks can access
    all of them.

    Rod.
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  • From Scott@newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk to uk.tech.digital-tv on Fri Jun 13 09:39:48 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.digital-tv

    On Fri, 13 Jun 2025 08:55:38 +0100, Roderick Stewart <rjfs@escapetime.myzen.co.uk> wrote:

    On Thu, 12 Jun 2025 17:25:58 +0100, Woody <harrogate3@ntlworld.com>
    wrote:

    There has been much lately of the fact that a good wi-fi signal on a
    site can feed a FireStick and be used for FTA TV.

    Question: There are a number of sticks around - Amazon Firestick, Now, >>Rakuten TV, etc - but which of them if any can I use to watch normal >>broadcast TV free of charge. I 'think' I can with a FireStick albeit its >>rather complicated to set up or change channel, but I know not about any >>others.

    Any advice welcomed.

    There is a section labelled 'Live TV' which appears to be the same
    channels that are available on Freeview. I haven't explored it because
    I ditched the TV licence last year and can't legally watch anything on
    it, and I'm not sure why I'd ever want to watch TV to somebody else's >timetable anyway when I can watch any movie or catchup programme
    whenever I want, but it's there if you want it.

    It is handy to watch the news as it happens and not leave it to catch
    up a few days later. The same logic applies to football.
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  • From Roderick Stewart@rjfs@escapetime.myzen.co.uk to uk.tech.digital-tv on Fri Jun 13 10:29:54 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.digital-tv

    On Fri, 13 Jun 2025 09:39:48 +0100, Scott
    <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:

    On Fri, 13 Jun 2025 08:55:38 +0100, Roderick Stewart ><rjfs@escapetime.myzen.co.uk> wrote:

    On Thu, 12 Jun 2025 17:25:58 +0100, Woody <harrogate3@ntlworld.com>
    wrote:

    There has been much lately of the fact that a good wi-fi signal on a >>>site can feed a FireStick and be used for FTA TV.

    Question: There are a number of sticks around - Amazon Firestick, Now, >>>Rakuten TV, etc - but which of them if any can I use to watch normal >>>broadcast TV free of charge. I 'think' I can with a FireStick albeit its >>>rather complicated to set up or change channel, but I know not about any >>>others.

    Any advice welcomed.

    There is a section labelled 'Live TV' which appears to be the same >>channels that are available on Freeview. I haven't explored it because
    I ditched the TV licence last year and can't legally watch anything on
    it, and I'm not sure why I'd ever want to watch TV to somebody else's >>timetable anyway when I can watch any movie or catchup programme
    whenever I want, but it's there if you want it.

    It is handy to watch the news as it happens and not leave it to catch
    up a few days later. The same logic applies to football.

    I find that important news stories tend to appear on Youtube and the
    various newspapers' web pages within an hour or so, sometimes within
    minutes, certainly not days. I don't feel that I'm missing anything.

    But each to their own. If 'live' broadcast TV is what you want, it
    does seem to be available on a Firestick.

    Rod.
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  • From MikeS@MikeS@fred.com to uk.tech.digital-tv on Fri Jun 13 13:14:52 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.digital-tv

    On 12/06/2025 21:44, SH wrote:
    On 12/06/2025 18:12, Woody wrote:
    On Thu 12/06/2025 17:37, Andy Burns wrote:
    Woody wrote:

    which of them if any can I use to watch normal broadcast TV

    "Normal broadcast TV" as in DVB-T/DVB-S ? ... None of them.

    They all rely on streaming services iPlayer/itvX/My4/U or whatever
    they're each called this week.


    I appreciate that. The situation is that we are taking our caravan to
    an area that has only a relay transmitting 'Freeview Lite' but has a
    strong and fast on-site wi-fi coverage (only five caravans max) and we
    would like to watch some of the other channels. I also realise that we
    can watch them using iPlayer, itvX, All4, 5 etc but I am just after
    finding out which stick provides these (streaming) services f.o.c.
    without charge and (preferably) without annoying adverts, and
    specifically which is the easiest to use.




    Freely and Roku have signed an agreement to put Freely on Roku
    hardware.... so when that comes out, buy a Roku stick that supports
    Freely (freely is by the same company that also does Freeview and Freesat)

    https://www.cordbusters.co.uk/beyond-freeview-freely-lands-roku/

    It sounds like it will be on Roku powered TVs first before possibly appearing on Roku sticks.

    Freely presently relies on using an HbbTV OpApp which Roku have agreed
    to incorporate into their TV OS. I doubt Feely will appear on Roku
    sticks in the near future.
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  • From Bob Latham@bob@sick-of-spam.invalid to uk.tech.digital-tv on Fri Jun 13 17:40:54 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.digital-tv

    In article <sron4ktdlq31mdeb0cscauniu9rih7l1sb@4ax.com>,
    Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:

    It is handy to watch the news as it happens and not leave it to
    catch up a few days later. The same logic applies to football.

    Surely there can't be many people left now who still haven't learned
    and still take the main stream media news seriously.

    Why would anyone want to watch it?


    Bob.

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  • From richard@richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) to uk.tech.digital-tv on Fri Jun 13 23:52:22 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.digital-tv

    In article <5c2c6a74a2bob@sick-of-spam.invalid>,
    Bob Latham <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> wrote:
    Surely there can't be many people left now who still haven't learned
    and still take the main stream media news seriously.

    Quite a few of us have not yet descended into the cesspit of
    far-right conspiracy-theory "news".

    -- Richard
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  • From Java Jive@java@evij.com.invalid to uk.tech.digital-tv on Sat Jun 14 01:46:40 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.digital-tv

    On 2025-06-14 00:52, Richard Tobin wrote:

    In article <5c2c6a74a2bob@sick-of-spam.invalid>,
    Bob Latham <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> wrote:

    Surely there can't be many people left now who still haven't learned
    and still take the main stream media news seriously.

    Quite a few of us have not yet descended into the cesspit of
    far-right conspiracy-theory "news".

    Quite, you only have to look at the crazily unreal posting record of
    someone who doesn't use main stream media, like Bob Latham, to
    understand value of using it.
    --

    Fake news kills!

    I may be contacted via the contact address given on my website: www.macfh.co.uk

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  • From Bob Latham@bob@sick-of-spam.invalid to uk.tech.digital-tv on Sat Jun 14 10:27:43 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.digital-tv

    In article <102idjm$18fb$1@artemis.inf.ed.ac.uk>,
    Richard Tobin <richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk> wrote:
    In article <5c2c6a74a2bob@sick-of-spam.invalid>,
    Bob Latham <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> wrote:
    Surely there can't be many people left now who still haven't learned
    and still take the main stream media news seriously.

    Quite a few of us have not yet descended into the cesspit of
    far-right conspiracy-theory "news".


    Interesting and predictable. In the first line both an insult and a
    far right accusation/assumption.

    My friend, everyone with any common sense at all who hasn't been
    captured by "progressive" ideological insanity is now far right. In
    that sense, I'm in excellent company. But It's clear you have no idea
    what far right is, it's certainly nothing to do with me.

    Bob.

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  • From Java Jive@java@evij.com.invalid to uk.tech.digital-tv on Sat Jun 14 10:46:53 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.digital-tv

    On 2025-06-14 10:27, Bob Latham wrote:
    In article <102idjm$18fb$1@artemis.inf.ed.ac.uk>,
    Richard Tobin <richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk> wrote:
    In article <5c2c6a74a2bob@sick-of-spam.invalid>,
    Bob Latham <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> wrote:
    Surely there can't be many people left now who still haven't learned
    and still take the main stream media news seriously.

    Quite a few of us have not yet descended into the cesspit of
    far-right conspiracy-theory "news".


    Interesting and predictable. In the first line both an insult and a
    far right accusation/assumption.

    My friend, everyone with any common sense at all who hasn't been
    captured by "progressive" ideological insanity is now far right. In
    that sense, I'm in excellent company. But It's clear you have no idea
    what far right is, it's certainly nothing to do with me.

    And so continues the mental divorce from the real world that everyone
    else inhabits.
    --

    Fake news kills!

    I may be contacted via the contact address given on my website: www.macfh.co.uk

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  • From Bob Latham@bob@sick-of-spam.invalid to uk.tech.digital-tv on Wed Jun 18 14:33:40 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.digital-tv

    In article <102idjm$18fb$1@artemis.inf.ed.ac.uk>,
    Richard Tobin <richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk> wrote:
    In article <5c2c6a74a2bob@sick-of-spam.invalid>,
    Bob Latham <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> wrote:

    Surely there can't be many people left now who still haven't
    learned and still take the main stream media news seriously.

    Quite a few of us have not yet descended into the cesspit of
    far-right conspiracy-theory "news".

    Oh dear, this didn't age well did it?

    This week millions of people maligned and smeared by the government
    and unhinged hard left media as being "far right" turned out to be
    just plain RIGHT. Government has had to admit.

    The PM claimed he didn't know until he saw the report last Saturday.
    It was a lie of course, everyone knew, everyone knew years ago, it
    was just not good for votes. Votes and ideology more important than
    our children's lives. Yes, the Tories were as bad.

    And as for a 'cesspit', a very good name for the HoC last night, the
    "be nice" people voting to kill babies right up to the point of birth
    and by ANY METHOD. 8 of the bas***** were Tories.

    So the killing of a child goes from being within the law to murder in
    a couple of hours for the birth? That's a very extreme position and
    wicked.

    We are ruled by demons with no morals.

    So carry on, wrongly smear me as "far right", simply because I reject
    leftists ideologies and the propaganda machines that push the
    nonsense. It's a label I can wear with pride and I'll be in excellent
    and ever growing company.

    Bob.

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  • From Java Jive@java@evij.com.invalid to uk.tech.digital-tv on Wed Jun 18 16:43:12 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.digital-tv

    On 2025-06-18 14:33, Bob Latham wrote:

    So carry on, wrongly smear me as "far right", simply because I reject leftists ideologies and the propaganda machines that push the
    nonsense. It's a label I can wear with pride and I'll be in excellent
    and ever growing company.

    The unhinged rant that I've snipped, which, as normal for you, had
    nothing to do with the original point being made, just proves that you
    are indeed, extreme far right.
    --

    Fake news kills!

    I may be contacted via the contact address given on my website: www.macfh.co.uk

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  • From Vir Campestris@vir.campestris@invalid.invalid to uk.tech.digital-tv on Fri Jun 20 20:55:15 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.digital-tv

    On 13/06/2025 13:14, MikeS wrote:
    Freely presently relies on using an HbbTV OpApp which Roku have agreed
    to incorporate into their TV OS. I doubt Feely [sic] will appear on Roku sticks in the near future.

    The RokuOS for the TVs and the sticks, soundbars, etc. is all the same underneath. There are different versions for different ones, but it's
    just a port of the same code onto a different platform.

    Andy
    --
    Do not listen to rumour, but, if you do, do not believe it.
    Ghandi.
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  • From MikeS@MikeS@fred.com to uk.tech.digital-tv on Sun Jun 22 11:54:18 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.digital-tv

    On 20/06/2025 20:55, Vir Campestris wrote:
    On 13/06/2025 13:14, MikeS wrote:
    Freely presently relies on using an HbbTV OpApp which Roku have agreed
    to incorporate into their TV OS. I doubt Feely [sic] will appear on
    Roku sticks in the near future.

    The RokuOS for the TVs and the sticks, soundbars, etc. is all the same underneath. There are different versions for different ones, but it's
    just a port of the same code onto a different platform.

    So you are saying that existing Roku sticks support HbbTV which is the
    basis of the current Freely app?

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  • From Vir Campestris@vir.campestris@invalid.invalid to uk.tech.digital-tv on Tue Jul 1 21:35:56 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.digital-tv

    On 22/06/2025 11:54, MikeS wrote:
    On 20/06/2025 20:55, Vir Campestris wrote:
    On 13/06/2025 13:14, MikeS wrote:
    Freely presently relies on using an HbbTV OpApp which Roku have
    agreed to incorporate into their TV OS. I doubt Feely [sic] will
    appear on Roku sticks in the near future.

    The RokuOS for the TVs and the sticks, soundbars, etc. is all the same
    underneath. There are different versions for different ones, but it's
    just a port of the same code onto a different platform.

    So you are saying that existing Roku sticks support HbbTV which is the
    basis of the current Freely app?


    I'm saying that they have pretty much the same software on the sticks as
    the TVs - and they are forever shipping updates.

    Though when I look at

    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hybrid_Broadcast_Broadband_TV>

    it says inter alia

    "To watch hybrid digital TV, consumers will need a hybrid IPTV set-top
    box or Smart TV with a range of input connectors, including Ethernet as
    well as at least one tuner for receiving broadcast TV signals."

    And it looks as though non of the sticks available in the UK have tuners.

    <https://www.roku.com/en-gb/products/players>

    Andy
    --
    Do not listen to rumour, but, if you do, do not believe it.
    Ghandi.
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