• FA Cup

    From Andy Burns@usenet@andyburns.uk to uk.tech.digital-tv on Sat May 17 17:22:31 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.digital-tv

    I know the half-shade/half-sunny pitch is a classic problem within the stadium, but can't they use HDR to get better pictures (iPlayer 1280x720
    and ITV satellite 1920x1080) the picture is really soft, ranging from a
    bit low contrast to burnt out ...

    --- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Woody@harrogate3@ntlworld.com to uk.tech.digital-tv on Sat May 17 20:08:27 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.digital-tv

    On Sat 17/05/2025 17:22, Andy Burns wrote:
    I know the half-shade/half-sunny pitch is a classic problem within the stadium, but can't they use HDR to get better pictures (iPlayer 1280x720
    and ITV satellite 1920x1080) the picture is really soft, ranging from a
    bit low contrast to burnt out ...



    Our LG smart TV has both Freeview and Freesat built in. I notice - particularly with ITV - that the picture quality is significantly
    sharper and cleaner on FS than on FV.

    Anyone else?
    --- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From John Armstrong@jja@blueyonder.co.uk to uk.tech.digital-tv on Sun May 18 09:03:09 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.digital-tv

    On 17/05/2025 17:22, Andy Burns wrote:
    I know the half-shade/half-sunny pitch is a classic problem within the stadium, but can't they use HDR to get better pictures (iPlayer 1280x720
    and ITV satellite 1920x1080) the picture is really soft, ranging from a
    bit low contrast to burnt out ...


    Lucky you got it in 16x9. More and more TV these days - especially drama
    - is broadcast in different ratios, resulting in broad black stripes top
    and bottom of the screen.

    Does anyone here know why?
    --- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From JNugent@JNugent73@mail.com to uk.tech.digital-tv on Sun May 18 14:08:53 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.digital-tv

    On 17/05/2025 05:22 PM, Andy Burns wrote:

    I know the half-shade/half-sunny pitch is a classic problem within the stadium, but can't they use HDR to get better pictures (iPlayer 1280x720
    and ITV satellite 1920x1080) the picture is really soft, ranging from a
    bit low contrast to burnt out ...

    I'd have thought that wide-view shots would be better served by having
    to cameras and operators, side by side, one concentrating on the shaded
    part of the pitch (and adjusted to suit) and the other on the shady end.

    Their areas of operation would shift as the game went on.
    --- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From JNugent@JNugent73@mail.com to uk.tech.digital-tv on Sun May 18 14:11:21 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.digital-tv

    On 18/05/2025 09:03 AM, John Armstrong wrote:

    On 17/05/2025 17:22, Andy Burns wrote:

    I know the half-shade/half-sunny pitch is a classic problem within the
    stadium, but can't they use HDR to get better pictures (iPlayer
    1280x720 and ITV satellite 1920x1080) the picture is really soft,
    ranging from a bit low contrast to burnt out ...

    Lucky you got it in 16x9. More and more TV these days - especially drama
    - is broadcast in different ratios, resulting in broad black stripes top
    and bottom of the screen.

    Does anyone here know why?

    The producers think it looks better that way in the preview room?

    Many theatrical films are in something (>16):9 these days.
    --- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From NY@me@privacy.net to uk.tech.digital-tv on Sun May 18 20:26:25 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.digital-tv

    On 18/05/2025 14:08, JNugent wrote:
    On 17/05/2025 05:22 PM, Andy Burns wrote:

    I know the half-shade/half-sunny pitch is a classic problem within the
    stadium, but can't they use HDR to get better pictures (iPlayer 1280x720
    and ITV satellite 1920x1080) the picture is really soft, ranging from a
    bit low contrast to burnt out ...

    I'd have thought that wide-view shots would be better served by having
    to cameras and operators, side by side, one concentrating on the shaded
    part of the pitch (and adjusted to suit) and the other on the shady end.

    Their areas of operation would shift as the game went on.

    The problem comes when a one camera is following the action from the
    shaded end to the sunny end of the pitch (or vice versa) and either
    needs to keep the exposure fixed for the duration of the shot until the
    vision mixer stops using that camera, or else needs to adjust at some
    point during the shot.

    The alternative is to have two cameras, adjusted to shaded and sunny,
    and cut between them as play passes the boundary line, but that could
    make it more difficult for viewers to follow the action if the
    perspective changes.
    --- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From JNugent@JNugent73@mail.com to uk.tech.digital-tv on Mon May 19 00:07:54 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.digital-tv

    On 18/05/2025 08:26 PM, NY wrote:

    On 18/05/2025 14:08, JNugent wrote:
    On 17/05/2025 05:22 PM, Andy Burns wrote:

    I know the half-shade/half-sunny pitch is a classic problem within the
    stadium, but can't they use HDR to get better pictures (iPlayer 1280x720 >>> and ITV satellite 1920x1080) the picture is really soft, ranging from a
    bit low contrast to burnt out ...

    I'd have thought that wide-view shots would be better served by having
    [two] cameras and operators, side by side, one concentrating on the
    shaded part of the pitch (and adjusted to suit) and the other on the
    shady end.

    Their areas of operation would shift as the game went on.

    The problem comes when a one camera is following the action from the
    shaded end to the sunny end of the pitch (or vice versa) and either
    needs to keep the exposure fixed for the duration of the shot until the vision mixer stops using that camera, or else needs to adjust at some
    point during the shot.

    The alternative is to have two cameras, adjusted to shaded and sunny,
    and cut between them as play passes the boundary line, but that could
    make it more difficult for viewers to follow the action if the
    perspective changes.

    Camera shots change without warning all the time.
    --- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2