• Re: Where is my water going?

    From Mark Carver@mark@invalid.com to uk.tech.digital-tv on Mon Jul 21 10:52:22 2025
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    On 08/07/2025 11:02, Davey wrote:
    I have a 'Smart' meter on my water supply. I have a softener for the
    house supply that regenerates based on the amount of water used. The
    only unsoftened outlets are the kitchen drinking water cold tap, and
    the outdoor tap, both of which come from the same pipe.
    Recently, in the last month, the softener's salt consumption has
    gone up, considerably.

    Late to the party, but check your loft tank. I had exactly the same
    problem, and it turned out to be the loft tank fill valve was not
    'completely' shutting off, and still dripping. In (what was) a busy
    household of 4, the loft tank never got anywhere near overflowing, so I
    didn't notice.

    I had got a bloke in from the Softner company, because I was sure it was faulty. He went straight up into the loft, showed me the problem, he
    fitted a new valve, and problem solved instantly (literally)
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  • From Davey@davey@example.invalid to uk.tech.digital-tv on Mon Jul 21 13:58:07 2025
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    On Mon, 21 Jul 2025 10:52:22 +0100
    Mark Carver <mark@invalid.com> wrote:

    On 08/07/2025 11:02, Davey wrote:
    I have a 'Smart' meter on my water supply. I have a softener for the
    house supply that regenerates based on the amount of water used. The
    only unsoftened outlets are the kitchen drinking water cold tap, and
    the outdoor tap, both of which come from the same pipe.
    Recently, in the last month, the softener's salt consumption has
    gone up, considerably.

    Late to the party, but check your loft tank. I had exactly the same
    problem, and it turned out to be the loft tank fill valve was not 'completely' shutting off, and still dripping. In (what was) a busy household of 4, the loft tank never got anywhere near overflowing, so
    I didn't notice.

    I had got a bloke in from the Softner company, because I was sure it
    was faulty. He went straight up into the loft, showed me the problem,
    he fitted a new valve, and problem solved instantly (literally)

    I have already found and fixed it, thanks. Some couple of months ago, I
    had cleaned up the unused bath upstairs, and I had accidentally left the
    hot tap with a small stream of water falling from it. It did not
    shimmer in any way, and so when I was checking all possible users of
    water in the house, I did not see it until I got down to its level and
    to a position where the water was not directly in line with a fixed
    pipe, camouflaging it very effectively indeed. My water use is now back
    where it should be.
    --
    Davey.

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  • From MikeS@MikeS@fred.com to uk.tech.digital-tv on Mon Jul 21 18:41:57 2025
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    On 21/07/2025 10:52, Mark Carver wrote:
    On 08/07/2025 11:02, Davey wrote:
    I have a 'Smart' meter on my water supply. I have a softener for the
    house supply that regenerates based on the amount of water used. The
    only unsoftened outlets are the kitchen drinking water cold tap, and
    the outdoor tap, both of which come from the same pipe.
    Recently, in the last month, the softener's salt consumption has
    gone up, considerably.

    Late to the party, but check your loft tank. I had exactly the same
    problem, and it turned out to be the loft tank fill valve was not 'completely' shutting off, and still dripping. In (what was) a busy household of 4, the loft tank never got anywhere near overflowing, so I didn't notice.

    I had got a bloke in from the Softner company, because I was sure it was faulty. He went straight up into the loft, showed me the problem, he
    fitted a new valve, and problem solved instantly (literally)

    If "the loft tank never got anywhere near overflowing" why was the drip increasing your consumption of water/salt?
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  • From Mark Carver@mark@invalid.com to uk.tech.digital-tv on Tue Jul 22 10:38:40 2025
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    On 21/07/2025 18:41, MikeS wrote:
    On 21/07/2025 10:52, Mark Carver wrote:
    On 08/07/2025 11:02, Davey wrote:
    I have a 'Smart' meter on my water supply. I have a softener for the
    house supply that regenerates based on the amount of water used. The
    only unsoftened outlets are the kitchen drinking water cold tap, and
    the outdoor tap, both of which come from the same pipe.
    Recently, in the last month, the softener's salt consumption has
    gone up, considerably.

    Late to the party, but check your loft tank. I had exactly the same
    problem, and it turned out to be the loft tank fill valve was not
    'completely' shutting off, and still dripping. In (what was) a busy
    household of 4, the loft tank never got anywhere near overflowing, so
    I didn't notice.

    I had got a bloke in from the Softner company, because I was sure it
    was faulty. He went straight up into the loft, showed me the problem,
    he fitted a new valve, and problem solved instantly (literally)

    If "the loft tank never got anywhere near overflowing" why was the drip increasing your consumption of water/salt?

    Because it only takes a tiny tiny flow through a softner, to cause it to continuously consume salt. I hadn't noticed, nor looked for any extra
    water consumption, because I never suspected that was the issue. In any
    case with two teenage lads in the household, it wouldn't have been
    noticeable


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  • From richard@richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) to uk.tech.digital-tv on Tue Jul 22 12:30:01 2025
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    In article <105nm70$e0vi$1@dont-email.me>,
    Mark Carver <mark@invalid.com> wrote:

    If "the loft tank never got anywhere near overflowing" why was the drip
    increasing your consumption of water/salt?

    Because it only takes a tiny tiny flow through a softner, to cause it to >continuously consume salt. I hadn't noticed, nor looked for any extra
    water consumption, because I never suspected that was the issue. In any
    case with two teenage lads in the household, it wouldn't have been >noticeable

    The thing that's mysterious is that if the tank never overflowed,
    there wouldn't have been any more water passing through the softener
    than usual. Presumably the explanation is that the softener uses more
    salt for a slow flow even though there isn't more water passing
    through it in total. In which case salt must be dissolving into your
    water rather than merely replacing the calcium ions.

    -- Richard
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  • From Mark Carver@mark@invalid.com to uk.tech.digital-tv on Tue Jul 22 14:34:04 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.digital-tv

    On 22/07/2025 13:30, Richard Tobin wrote:
    In article <105nm70$e0vi$1@dont-email.me>,
    Mark Carver <mark@invalid.com> wrote:

    If "the loft tank never got anywhere near overflowing" why was the drip
    increasing your consumption of water/salt?

    Because it only takes a tiny tiny flow through a softner, to cause it to
    continuously consume salt. I hadn't noticed, nor looked for any extra
    water consumption, because I never suspected that was the issue. In any
    case with two teenage lads in the household, it wouldn't have been
    noticeable

    The thing that's mysterious is that if the tank never overflowed,
    there wouldn't have been any more water passing through the softener
    than usual. Presumably the explanation is that the softener uses more
    salt for a slow flow even though there isn't more water passing
    through it in total. In which case salt must be dissolving into your
    water rather than merely replacing the calcium ions.

    Yes, but it didn't overflow, because the water level never got the
    chance to get up to the overflow outlet. Someone in the house would
    flush the loo, have a shower etc and it went back down again. If it had
    been left alone for a few days (i.e no one in the house) then water
    would have reached the overflow, and been 'noticed' !
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