• Got a streaming issue - help?

    From Woody@harrogate3@ntlworld.com to uk.tech.digital-tv on Thu Aug 28 07:51:56 2025
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    We have two smart TVs - Samsung and LG - and a Philips (not smart) that
    will stream from a wired network feed. Until now all has worked for
    about six months with few issues. Suddenly the net has started playing up.

    The (VM) feed comes in in our lounge to a Hub4 in modem mode. This is
    then wire fed to an adjacent TPL Archer D2 which I have had for some
    years and has been very reliable. One output of the router has wired
    feed of about 1m to the LG TV directly above it and that TV works
    without problem.

    To get to the other TVs I have no option but to use Powerline adapters
    and it is these that seemingly loose sync - i.e. the screen goes blank,
    then we get the 'loading' message and after some seconds it all starts
    up again. (The Powerline adapters are all TPL TP4010 units.) The oddity
    is that the Samsung in our bedroom directly above the router also
    'looses sync' when operating in wi-fi mode. This is not new in wireless
    mode hence why I went powerline as this seemed to cure any intermittency issues - until now.

    This has got me head scratching. I have five powerline adapters and have
    tried all of them, I have wiped them off the net and then restarted
    them, but they all in some way or other exhibit the same apparent loss
    of sync or signal after a few minutes.

    Anyone any (polite) suggestions please as this has got me completely
    confused and is annoying my wife as she likes watching TV in bed or in
    the kitchen?

    TIA.
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  • From Tweed@usenet.tweed@gmail.com to uk.tech.digital-tv on Thu Aug 28 07:03:48 2025
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    Woody <harrogate3@ntlworld.com> wrote:
    We have two smart TVs - Samsung and LG - and a Philips (not smart) that
    will stream from a wired network feed. Until now all has worked for
    about six months with few issues. Suddenly the net has started playing up.

    The (VM) feed comes in in our lounge to a Hub4 in modem mode. This is
    then wire fed to an adjacent TPL Archer D2 which I have had for some
    years and has been very reliable. One output of the router has wired
    feed of about 1m to the LG TV directly above it and that TV works
    without problem.

    To get to the other TVs I have no option but to use Powerline adapters
    and it is these that seemingly loose sync - i.e. the screen goes blank,
    then we get the 'loading' message and after some seconds it all starts
    up again. (The Powerline adapters are all TPL TP4010 units.) The oddity
    is that the Samsung in our bedroom directly above the router also
    'looses sync' when operating in wi-fi mode. This is not new in wireless
    mode hence why I went powerline as this seemed to cure any intermittency issues - until now.

    This has got me head scratching. I have five powerline adapters and have tried all of them, I have wiped them off the net and then restarted
    them, but they all in some way or other exhibit the same apparent loss
    of sync or signal after a few minutes.

    Anyone any (polite) suggestions please as this has got me completely confused and is annoying my wife as she likes watching TV in bed or in
    the kitchen?

    TIA.


    You probably have something in the house generating interference, both back onto the mains and as radiated RF. Poor quality switched mode power
    supplies in LED light bulbs are often the culprit. Turn off everything in
    the house other than the power line adapters under test and then turn
    things back on bit by bit. I found that power line adapters would often
    drop packets for a second or two. Running a continuous ping from a laptop connected to the adapter can be instructive.

    2.4 GHz WiFi is also prone to interference, much more so than 5 GHz.

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  • From Tweed@usenet.tweed@gmail.com to uk.tech.digital-tv on Thu Aug 28 07:11:41 2025
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    Woody <harrogate3@ntlworld.com> wrote:
    We have two smart TVs - Samsung and LG - and a Philips (not smart) that
    will stream from a wired network feed. Until now all has worked for
    about six months with few issues. Suddenly the net has started playing up.

    The (VM) feed comes in in our lounge to a Hub4 in modem mode. This is
    then wire fed to an adjacent TPL Archer D2 which I have had for some
    years and has been very reliable. One output of the router has wired
    feed of about 1m to the LG TV directly above it and that TV works
    without problem.

    To get to the other TVs I have no option but to use Powerline adapters
    and it is these that seemingly loose sync - i.e. the screen goes blank,
    then we get the 'loading' message and after some seconds it all starts
    up again. (The Powerline adapters are all TPL TP4010 units.) The oddity
    is that the Samsung in our bedroom directly above the router also
    'looses sync' when operating in wi-fi mode. This is not new in wireless
    mode hence why I went powerline as this seemed to cure any intermittency issues - until now.

    This has got me head scratching. I have five powerline adapters and have tried all of them, I have wiped them off the net and then restarted
    them, but they all in some way or other exhibit the same apparent loss
    of sync or signal after a few minutes.

    Anyone any (polite) suggestions please as this has got me completely confused and is annoying my wife as she likes watching TV in bed or in
    the kitchen?

    TIA.


    To add to my previous post, I would suggest considering a mesh WiFi system.
    I have this in my house and it is 100% reliable. Most units also allow a device, such as your TV, to be connected via an Ethernet cable, effectively making the unit a super duper WiFi dongle.

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  • From charles@charles@candehope.me.uk to uk.tech.digital-tv on Thu Aug 28 08:30:03 2025
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    In article <108ovfc$161vv$1@dont-email.me>, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
    Woody <harrogate3@ntlworld.com> wrote:
    We have two smart TVs - Samsung and LG - and a Philips (not smart) that will stream from a wired network feed. Until now all has worked for
    about six months with few issues. Suddenly the net has started playing
    up.

    The (VM) feed comes in in our lounge to a Hub4 in modem mode. This is
    then wire fed to an adjacent TPL Archer D2 which I have had for some
    years and has been very reliable. One output of the router has wired
    feed of about 1m to the LG TV directly above it and that TV works
    without problem.

    To get to the other TVs I have no option but to use Powerline adapters
    and it is these that seemingly loose sync - i.e. the screen goes blank, then we get the 'loading' message and after some seconds it all starts
    up again. (The Powerline adapters are all TPL TP4010 units.) The
    oddity is that the Samsung in our bedroom directly above the router
    also 'looses sync' when operating in wi-fi mode. This is not new in wireless mode hence why I went powerline as this seemed to cure any intermittency issues - until now.

    This has got me head scratching. I have five powerline adapters and
    have tried all of them, I have wiped them off the net and then
    restarted them, but they all in some way or other exhibit the same
    apparent loss of sync or signal after a few minutes.

    Anyone any (polite) suggestions please as this has got me completely confused and is annoying my wife as she likes watching TV in bed or in
    the kitchen?

    TIA.


    To add to my previous post, I would suggest considering a mesh WiFi
    system. I have this in my house and it is 100% reliable. Most units also allow a device, such as your TV, to be connected via an Ethernet cable, effectively making the unit a super duper WiFi dongle.

    This is the way my tv is fed. Works perfectly.
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  • From Indy Jess John@bathwatchdog@OMITTHISgooglemail.com to uk.tech.digital-tv on Fri Aug 29 10:03:39 2025
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    On 28/08/2025 08:03, Tweed wrote:
    Woody <harrogate3@ntlworld.com> wrote:
    We have two smart TVs - Samsung and LG - and a Philips (not smart) that
    will stream from a wired network feed. Until now all has worked for
    about six months with few issues. Suddenly the net has started playing up. >>
    The (VM) feed comes in in our lounge to a Hub4 in modem mode. This is
    then wire fed to an adjacent TPL Archer D2 which I have had for some
    years and has been very reliable. One output of the router has wired
    feed of about 1m to the LG TV directly above it and that TV works
    without problem.

    To get to the other TVs I have no option but to use Powerline adapters
    and it is these that seemingly loose sync - i.e. the screen goes blank,
    then we get the 'loading' message and after some seconds it all starts
    up again. (The Powerline adapters are all TPL TP4010 units.) The oddity
    is that the Samsung in our bedroom directly above the router also
    'looses sync' when operating in wi-fi mode. This is not new in wireless
    mode hence why I went powerline as this seemed to cure any intermittency
    issues - until now.

    This has got me head scratching. I have five powerline adapters and have
    tried all of them, I have wiped them off the net and then restarted
    them, but they all in some way or other exhibit the same apparent loss
    of sync or signal after a few minutes.

    Anyone any (polite) suggestions please as this has got me completely
    confused and is annoying my wife as she likes watching TV in bed or in
    the kitchen?

    TIA.


    You probably have something in the house generating interference, both back onto the mains and as radiated RF. Poor quality switched mode power
    supplies in LED light bulbs are often the culprit. Turn off everything in
    the house other than the power line adapters under test and then turn
    things back on bit by bit. I found that power line adapters would often
    drop packets for a second or two. Running a continuous ping from a laptop connected to the adapter can be instructive.

    2.4 GHz WiFi is also prone to interference, much more so than 5 GHz.

    This was my thought too.
    Originally I used a couple of powerlines to connect from my router
    downstairs to a second desktop upstairs. It worked OK most of the time.
    However whenever I ran my (then) laptop on mains power rather than on
    its battery, the powerlines dropped carrier. The powerline connection recovered when I switched off the laptop's charger, which was obviously sending something into the mains.

    Eventually I bought a long ethernet cable to replace the powerlines and
    that got rid of the problem, and I replaced the laptop with its dodgy
    charger long ago.

    From that I can confirm that Powerlines don't work reliably if anything
    is injecting interference into the mains. Your problem is working out
    what it might be. LED light bulbs look a good starting point because
    some makes are reportedly worse than others for mains interference.
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  • From Woody@harrogate3@ntlworld.com to uk.tech.digital-tv on Fri Aug 29 16:50:13 2025
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    On Thu 28/08/2025 09:30, charles wrote:
    In article <108ovfc$161vv$1@dont-email.me>, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
    Woody <harrogate3@ntlworld.com> wrote:
    We have two smart TVs - Samsung and LG - and a Philips (not smart) that
    will stream from a wired network feed. Until now all has worked for
    about six months with few issues. Suddenly the net has started playing
    up.

    The (VM) feed comes in in our lounge to a Hub4 in modem mode. This is
    then wire fed to an adjacent TPL Archer D2 which I have had for some
    years and has been very reliable. One output of the router has wired
    feed of about 1m to the LG TV directly above it and that TV works
    without problem.

    To get to the other TVs I have no option but to use Powerline adapters
    and it is these that seemingly loose sync - i.e. the screen goes blank,
    then we get the 'loading' message and after some seconds it all starts
    up again. (The Powerline adapters are all TPL TP4010 units.) The
    oddity is that the Samsung in our bedroom directly above the router
    also 'looses sync' when operating in wi-fi mode. This is not new in
    wireless mode hence why I went powerline as this seemed to cure any
    intermittency issues - until now.

    This has got me head scratching. I have five powerline adapters and
    have tried all of them, I have wiped them off the net and then
    restarted them, but they all in some way or other exhibit the same
    apparent loss of sync or signal after a few minutes.

    Anyone any (polite) suggestions please as this has got me completely
    confused and is annoying my wife as she likes watching TV in bed or in
    the kitchen?

    TIA.


    To add to my previous post, I would suggest considering a mesh WiFi
    system. I have this in my house and it is 100% reliable. Most units also
    allow a device, such as your TV, to be connected via an Ethernet cable,
    effectively making the unit a super duper WiFi dongle.

    This is the way my tv is fed. Works perfectly.



    A bit of update - I cured it!
    I had, for some stupid reason, wound up a rather long Cat5e that linked
    my router to the common powerline adapter that feeds elsewhere. Of
    course this makes a quite acceptable air-cored inductor which high
    frequencies do not like. Fitted a thicker Cat5e patch cord which I did
    not wind up and BINGO - it all works.

    Damn stupid mistake........................!!

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  • From Tweed@usenet.tweed@gmail.com to uk.tech.digital-tv on Fri Aug 29 16:01:57 2025
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    Woody <harrogate3@ntlworld.com> wrote:
    On Thu 28/08/2025 09:30, charles wrote:
    In article <108ovfc$161vv$1@dont-email.me>, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> >> wrote:
    Woody <harrogate3@ntlworld.com> wrote:
    We have two smart TVs - Samsung and LG - and a Philips (not smart) that >>>> will stream from a wired network feed. Until now all has worked for
    about six months with few issues. Suddenly the net has started playing >>>> up.

    The (VM) feed comes in in our lounge to a Hub4 in modem mode. This is
    then wire fed to an adjacent TPL Archer D2 which I have had for some
    years and has been very reliable. One output of the router has wired
    feed of about 1m to the LG TV directly above it and that TV works
    without problem.

    To get to the other TVs I have no option but to use Powerline adapters >>>> and it is these that seemingly loose sync - i.e. the screen goes blank, >>>> then we get the 'loading' message and after some seconds it all starts >>>> up again. (The Powerline adapters are all TPL TP4010 units.) The
    oddity is that the Samsung in our bedroom directly above the router
    also 'looses sync' when operating in wi-fi mode. This is not new in
    wireless mode hence why I went powerline as this seemed to cure any
    intermittency issues - until now.

    This has got me head scratching. I have five powerline adapters and
    have tried all of them, I have wiped them off the net and then
    restarted them, but they all in some way or other exhibit the same
    apparent loss of sync or signal after a few minutes.

    Anyone any (polite) suggestions please as this has got me completely
    confused and is annoying my wife as she likes watching TV in bed or in >>>> the kitchen?

    TIA.


    To add to my previous post, I would suggest considering a mesh WiFi
    system. I have this in my house and it is 100% reliable. Most units also >>> allow a device, such as your TV, to be connected via an Ethernet cable,
    effectively making the unit a super duper WiFi dongle.

    This is the way my tv is fed. Works perfectly.



    A bit of update - I cured it!
    I had, for some stupid reason, wound up a rather long Cat5e that linked
    my router to the common powerline adapter that feeds elsewhere. Of
    course this makes a quite acceptable air-cored inductor which high frequencies do not like. Fitted a thicker Cat5e patch cord which I did
    not wind up and BINGO - it all works.

    Damn stupid mistake........................!!



    IrCOm not entirely sure it should matter. The signals are balanced
    differential twisted pairs.

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