• WiFi network 2.4G or DFS?

    From Scott@newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk to uk.tech.digital-tv on Wed Aug 27 10:07:39 2025
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    I have (at long last) bought a new TV. In the setup, there is a choice
    between FRITZ!Box 7530 JE 2.4G or FRITZ!Box 7530 JE DFS. I see from a
    Google search that DFS is Dynamic Frequency Selection and relates to
    radar signals. Is DFS 5GHz only, so am I in effect being asked to
    choose between 2.4 and 5 GHz? Is there a good way to know which to
    choose or is it trial and error?
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  • From Indy Jess John@bathwatchdog@OMITTHISgooglemail.com to uk.tech.digital-tv on Wed Aug 27 10:21:04 2025
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    On 27/08/2025 10:07, Scott wrote:
    I have (at long last) bought a new TV. In the setup, there is a choice between FRITZ!Box 7530 JE 2.4G or FRITZ!Box 7530 JE DFS. I see from a
    Google search that DFS is Dynamic Frequency Selection and relates to
    radar signals. Is DFS 5GHz only, so am I in effect being asked to
    choose between 2.4 and 5 GHz? Is there a good way to know which to
    choose or is it trial and error?

    My approach is when in doubt, choose the one which is least likely to go wrong. The TV has to communicate with your router, and 2.4G is almost guaranteed to work.

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  • From NY@me@privacy.net to uk.tech.digital-tv on Wed Aug 27 10:42:10 2025
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    On 27/08/2025 10:21, Indy Jess John wrote:
    On 27/08/2025 10:07, Scott wrote:
    I have (at long last) bought a new TV. In the setup, there is a choice
    between FRITZ!Box 7530 JE 2.4G or FRITZ!Box 7530 JE DFS. I see from a
    Google search that DFS is Dynamic Frequency Selection and relates to
    radar signals. Is DFS 5GHz only, so am I in effect being asked to
    choose between 2.4 and 5 GHz? Is there a good way to know which to
    choose or is it trial and error?

    My approach is when in doubt, choose the one which is least likely to go wrong. The TV has to communicate with your router, and 2.4G is almost guaranteed to work.

    I would try both. 5 GHz may give faster data speeds, though the
    rate-limiting step will almost certainly be the WAN (internet) speed,
    unless your TV needs to communicate with other computers/PVRs in the
    house by network (as opposed to HDMI from PVR to TV). 2.4 GHz may work perfectly (up to the data speed that it negotiates) until other
    unrelated devices running flat-out transfer lots of data over 2.4 GHz.

    But if 5 GHz signal strength or quality (multi-path reflections) are borderline, you may get intermittent dropouts. See which works better
    for you.
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  • From Jeff Layman@Jeff@invalid.invalid to uk.tech.digital-tv on Wed Aug 27 11:09:44 2025
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    On 27/08/2025 10:42, NY wrote:
    On 27/08/2025 10:21, Indy Jess John wrote:
    On 27/08/2025 10:07, Scott wrote:
    I have (at long last) bought a new TV. In the setup, there is a choice
    between FRITZ!Box 7530 JE 2.4G or FRITZ!Box 7530 JE DFS. I see from a
    Google search that DFS is Dynamic Frequency Selection and relates to
    radar signals. Is DFS 5GHz only, so am I in effect being asked to
    choose between 2.4 and 5 GHz? Is there a good way to know which to
    choose or is it trial and error?

    My approach is when in doubt, choose the one which is least likely to go
    wrong. The TV has to communicate with your router, and 2.4G is almost
    guaranteed to work.

    I would try both. 5 GHz may give faster data speeds, though the
    rate-limiting step will almost certainly be the WAN (internet) speed,
    unless your TV needs to communicate with other computers/PVRs in the
    house by network (as opposed to HDMI from PVR to TV). 2.4 GHz may work perfectly (up to the data speed that it negotiates) until other
    unrelated devices running flat-out transfer lots of data over 2.4 GHz.

    But if 5 GHz signal strength or quality (multi-path reflections) are borderline, you may get intermittent dropouts. See which works better
    for you.

    I've been running my FRITZ!Box KI with my Panasonic 58GX800 TV at 5GHz
    (11ac) for the last 4 years without problem. The router is 5m from the
    TV and "Reception" shows 4/5 bars.
    --
    Jeff
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  • From Bob Latham@bob@sick-of-spam.invalid to uk.tech.digital-tv on Wed Aug 27 13:04:48 2025
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    In article <obitakpp5cjf6lou45idvhsde2lrdad7ph@4ax.com>,
    Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:

    I have (at long last) bought a new TV. In the setup, there is a
    choice between FRITZ!Box 7530 JE 2.4G or FRITZ!Box 7530 JE DFS. I
    see from a Google search that DFS is Dynamic Frequency Selection
    and relates to radar signals. Is DFS 5GHz only, so am I in effect
    being asked to choose between 2.4 and 5 GHz? Is there a good way to
    know which to choose or is it trial and error?

    If you really can't use ethernet which is always the best then..

    5GHz doesn't travel very far and is attenuated by walls, glass etc.
    but that means less inference from neighbours. 5GHz is also likely to
    be faster.

    Install a free app on your phone which does wi-fi analysis and see
    what the 5GHz signal is like at the TV. Maybe play with the aerials
    on the router to improve this.

    If good use that. If not use 2.4GHz.

    Have a good look at ways you may be able to hide an ethernet cable.
    :-)


    Bob.

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  • From charles@charles@candehope.me.uk to uk.tech.digital-tv on Wed Aug 27 13:30:04 2025
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    In article <5c52f0dfbfbob@sick-of-spam.invalid>,
    Bob Latham <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> wrote:
    In article <obitakpp5cjf6lou45idvhsde2lrdad7ph@4ax.com>,
    Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:

    I have (at long last) bought a new TV. In the setup, there is a
    choice between FRITZ!Box 7530 JE 2.4G or FRITZ!Box 7530 JE DFS. I
    see from a Google search that DFS is Dynamic Frequency Selection
    and relates to radar signals. Is DFS 5GHz only, so am I in effect
    being asked to choose between 2.4 and 5 GHz? Is there a good way to
    know which to choose or is it trial and error?

    If you really can't use ethernet which is always the best then..

    5GHz doesn't travel very far and is attenuated by walls, glass etc.
    but that means less inference from neighbours. 5GHz is also likely to
    be faster.

    Install a free app on your phone which does wi-fi analysis and see
    what the 5GHz signal is like at the TV. Maybe play with the aerials
    on the router to improve this.

    If good use that. If not use 2.4GHz.

    Have a good look at ways you may be able to hide an ethernet cable.
    :-)


    Bob.

    My TV relies on a cable - from a Mesh receiver , Saves running cables
    through a fireplace.
    --
    from KT24 in Surrey, England - sent from my RISC OS 4to#
    "I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle
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  • From Woody@harrogate3@ntlworld.com to uk.tech.digital-tv on Wed Aug 27 20:33:23 2025
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    On Wed 27/08/2025 13:04, Bob Latham wrote:
    In article <obitakpp5cjf6lou45idvhsde2lrdad7ph@4ax.com>,
    Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:

    I have (at long last) bought a new TV. In the setup, there is a
    choice between FRITZ!Box 7530 JE 2.4G or FRITZ!Box 7530 JE DFS. I
    see from a Google search that DFS is Dynamic Frequency Selection
    and relates to radar signals. Is DFS 5GHz only, so am I in effect
    being asked to choose between 2.4 and 5 GHz? Is there a good way to
    know which to choose or is it trial and error?

    If you really can't use ethernet which is always the best then..

    5GHz doesn't travel very far and is attenuated by walls, glass etc.
    but that means less inference from neighbours. 5GHz is also likely to
    be faster.

    Install a free app on your phone which does wi-fi analysis and see
    what the 5GHz signal is like at the TV. Maybe play with the aerials
    on the router to improve this.

    If good use that. If not use 2.4GHz.

    Have a good look at ways you may be able to hide an ethernet cable.
    :-)


    That always assumes your phone will 'do' 5GHz. You'd be amazed by how
    many do not!

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  • From richard@richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) to uk.tech.digital-tv on Wed Aug 27 23:25:57 2025
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    In article <obitakpp5cjf6lou45idvhsde2lrdad7ph@4ax.com>,
    Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
    I have (at long last) bought a new TV. In the setup, there is a choice >between FRITZ!Box 7530 JE 2.4G or FRITZ!Box 7530 JE DFS.

    Do your other devices offer such a choice? Or do they just offer a
    single network called FRITZ!Box 7530 JE?

    What model is the TV?

    -- Richard
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  • From Scott@newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk to uk.tech.digital-tv on Thu Aug 28 09:33:08 2025
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    On Wed, 27 Aug 2025 23:25:57 -0000 (UTC), richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk
    (Richard Tobin) wrote:

    In article <obitakpp5cjf6lou45idvhsde2lrdad7ph@4ax.com>,
    Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
    I have (at long last) bought a new TV. In the setup, there is a choice >>between FRITZ!Box 7530 JE 2.4G or FRITZ!Box 7530 JE DFS.

    Do your other devices offer such a choice? Or do they just offer a
    single network called FRITZ!Box 7530 JE?

    This is the only device to offer a choice.

    What model is the TV?

    LG OLED42C54LA.AEK

    I believe there is an option to set up two Wi-Fi networks from the
    router to allow an opportunity to choose for each device. After
    reading what the others have said I am now inclined to start with the
    DFS (5GHz) option and see if this works okay. How does this sound?
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  • From alan_m@junk@admac.myzen.co.uk to uk.tech.digital-tv on Thu Aug 28 12:32:51 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.digital-tv

    On 28/08/2025 00:25, Richard Tobin wrote:
    In article <obitakpp5cjf6lou45idvhsde2lrdad7ph@4ax.com>,
    Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
    I have (at long last) bought a new TV. In the setup, there is a choice
    between FRITZ!Box 7530 JE 2.4G or FRITZ!Box 7530 JE DFS.

    Do your other devices offer such a choice? Or do they just offer a
    single network called FRITZ!Box 7530 JE?

    What model is the TV?

    -- Richard

    On a Fritzbox you could use one SSID for 2.4G and another SSID for 5G.
    --
    mailto : news {at} admac {dot} myzen {dot} co {dot} uk
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  • From Scott@newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk to uk.tech.digital-tv on Thu Aug 28 12:40:35 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.digital-tv

    On Thu, 28 Aug 2025 12:32:51 +0100, alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk>
    wrote:

    On 28/08/2025 00:25, Richard Tobin wrote:
    In article <obitakpp5cjf6lou45idvhsde2lrdad7ph@4ax.com>,
    Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
    I have (at long last) bought a new TV. In the setup, there is a choice
    between FRITZ!Box 7530 JE 2.4G or FRITZ!Box 7530 JE DFS.

    Do your other devices offer such a choice? Or do they just offer a
    single network called FRITZ!Box 7530 JE?

    What model is the TV?

    -- Richard

    On a Fritzbox you could use one SSID for 2.4G and another SSID for 5G.

    I did this at my previous place - two networks with different names. I
    could then choose what I thought was more appropriate for each device.
    Are there any implications for energy efficiency - would it double the
    power at the router?
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  • From Tweed@usenet.tweed@gmail.com to uk.tech.digital-tv on Thu Aug 28 13:10:06 2025
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    Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
    On Thu, 28 Aug 2025 12:32:51 +0100, alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk>
    wrote:

    On 28/08/2025 00:25, Richard Tobin wrote:
    In article <obitakpp5cjf6lou45idvhsde2lrdad7ph@4ax.com>,
    Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
    I have (at long last) bought a new TV. In the setup, there is a choice >>>> between FRITZ!Box 7530 JE 2.4G or FRITZ!Box 7530 JE DFS.

    Do your other devices offer such a choice? Or do they just offer a
    single network called FRITZ!Box 7530 JE?

    What model is the TV?

    -- Richard

    On a Fritzbox you could use one SSID for 2.4G and another SSID for 5G.

    I did this at my previous place - two networks with different names. I
    could then choose what I thought was more appropriate for each device.
    Are there any implications for energy efficiency - would it double the
    power at the router?


    No.

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  • From richard@richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) to uk.tech.digital-tv on Thu Aug 28 16:53:59 2025
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    In article <ni40bkdooeehfob9hobjaf5hg5gehfqvr5@4ax.com>,
    Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:

    I have (at long last) bought a new TV. In the setup, there is a choice >>>between FRITZ!Box 7530 JE 2.4G or FRITZ!Box 7530 JE DFS.

    Do your other devices offer such a choice? Or do they just offer a
    single network called FRITZ!Box 7530 JE?

    This is the only device to offer a choice.

    Hmm, I wonder what would happen if your Fritz Box chose to use a 5GHz
    channel that was not a DFS channel - would the TV start offering a
    network called FRITZ!Box 7530 JE G5 instead?

    Also, I wonder what would happen if you had a network with multiple
    access points (a mesh for example). Would it offer the various APs
    seperately?

    I'd go with the "DFS" option to start with and change if it has
    problems.

    -- Richard
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  • From Scott@newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk to uk.tech.digital-tv on Thu Aug 28 18:17:11 2025
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    On Thu, 28 Aug 2025 16:53:59 -0000 (UTC), richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk
    (Richard Tobin) wrote:

    In article <ni40bkdooeehfob9hobjaf5hg5gehfqvr5@4ax.com>,
    Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:

    I have (at long last) bought a new TV. In the setup, there is a choice >>>>between FRITZ!Box 7530 JE 2.4G or FRITZ!Box 7530 JE DFS.

    Do your other devices offer such a choice? Or do they just offer a >>>single network called FRITZ!Box 7530 JE?

    This is the only device to offer a choice.

    Hmm, I wonder what would happen if your Fritz Box chose to use a 5GHz
    channel that was not a DFS channel - would the TV start offering a
    network called FRITZ!Box 7530 JE G5 instead?

    I'm on a flight path. Does this count?

    Also, I wonder what would happen if you had a network with multiple
    access points (a mesh for example). Would it offer the various APs >seperately?

    I'd go with the "DFS" option to start with and change if it has
    problems.

    This is now my thinking. I'm also thinking about an aerial now that I
    cannot get STV.
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