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On 04/07/2025 10:58, Andy Burns wrote:

Abandoned Trolley wrote:

Does anybody know what is going on with FreeSat channels 134 - 139 ?

Is your receiver DVB-S2 capable?  Maybe it just needs a full retune?

<https://rxtvinfo.com/satellite-updates/#:~:text=11344%20V%20switches>

I have 3 of the "older" Humax Foxsat boxes - all showing the same symptoms

Looks like I probably need to upgrade :-\


Although ... .Talking Pictures is still there on Channel 306, and PBS
America is still there too.
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On Fri, 4 Jul 2025 10:29:42 +0100, Abandoned Trolley
<fred@fred-smith.co.uk> wrote as underneath :

Does anybody know what is going on with FreeSat channels 134 - 139 ?

They seem to be permanently "scrambled or not available" but all the
content is listed as normal in the EPG

(Mrs Trolley is missing her daily dose of Judge Judy)

Also there are plenty of FreeView channels with exactly the same
problem, EPG listings but no prog if chosen, usually a shunt off message
of some sort, annoying! C+
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Abandoned Trolley wrote:

On 04/07/2025 10:58, Andy Burns wrote:

Abandoned Trolley wrote:

Does anybody know what is going on with FreeSat channels 134 - 139 ?

Is your receiver DVB-S2 capable?  Maybe it just needs a full retune?

<https://rxtvinfo.com/satellite-updates/#:~:text=11344%20V%20switches>

I have 3 of the "older" Humax Foxsat boxes - all showing the same symptoms

Presumably no "HD" in the model name?

Looks like I probably need to upgrade :-\

Although  ... .Talking Pictures is still there on Channel 306, and PBS America is still there too.

If you can receive those two, then your box is capable of DVB-T2, but I
notice a mixture of MPEG1/2 channels and MPEG4/AVC channels, so probably
the latter is causing lack of judge judy? Sorry ICBA to work out which
stream IDs from the transponder correspond to which channel names!
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On 05/07/2025 10:56, Andy Burns wrote:

Sorry ICBA to work out which stream IDs from the transponder correspond to which channel names!

https://www.lyngsat.com/Astra-2E-2F-2G.html might help. No idea which
Freesat numbers correspond to which channels/multiplexes, though.

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NY wrote:

Andy Burns wrote:

Sorry ICBA to work out which stream IDs from the transponder

correspond to which channel names!

https://www.lyngsat.com/Astra-2E-2F-2G.html might help. No idea which Freesat numbers correspond to which channels/multiplexes, though.

My sat tuner is tied-up with C4/F1 at the moment, but from

<https://www.lyngsat.com/muxes/Astra-2F_UK_11344-V.html>

it looks as though all the channels he can get are MPEG2, and all the
ones his wife wants are MPEG4 ... time for a newer box ...

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On Fri, 4 Jul 2025 22:15:52 +0100, Abandoned Trolley wrote:

On 04/07/2025 10:58, Andy Burns wrote:

Abandoned Trolley wrote:

Does anybody know what is going on with FreeSat channels 134 - 139 ?

Is your receiver DVB-S2 capable?á Maybe it just needs a full retune?

<https://rxtvinfo.com/satellite-updates/#:~:text=11344%20V%20switches>

I have 3 of the "older" Humax Foxsat boxes - all showing the same symptoms

Looks like I probably need to upgrade :-\

Although ... .Talking Pictures is still there on Channel 306, and PBS America is still there too.

I can't get Legend (138 & 139) on FS on a Humax HDR box. There's
intermittent sound but no picture.
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whilst religions hold sway
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On 04/07/2025 10:29, Abandoned Trolley wrote:

Does anybody know what is going on with FreeSat channels 134 - 139 ?

They seem to be permanently "scrambled or not available" but all the
content is listed as normal in the EPG

(Mrs Trolley is missing her daily dose of Judge Judy)

One of the 3 boxes rejoices in the name "FoxSat HD / ARGOS-GB"

It displays HD channels and is connected to the TV by HDMI


On further investigation it appears theres a page full of manual
settings, where I can select DVB-S2 and a load of FEC variants, but it
doesnt seem to want to do this automatically :-\
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On further investigation it appears theres a page full of manual
settings, where I can select DVB-S2 and a load of FEC variants, but it doesnt seem to want to do this automatically :-\

And .... messing about with the DVB-S2 setting, and the QPSK / 8PSK
switch seems to make no difference - and no difference to any other
channel either



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Abandoned Trolley wrote:

messing about with the DVB-S2 setting, and the QPSK / 8PSK
switch seems to make no difference - and no difference to any other
channel either

UK TV has been piss-poor at differentiating the technologies used from
the picture format delivered.

e.g. SD started life using DVB-T1/S1 and MPEG2, then along came HD using DVB-T2/S2 and MPEG4, but now SD channels are using DVB-T2/S2 and MPEG4,
that seems to be what's tripping-up your box, which (if any) channels
from this list can you receive on your "bestest" STB?

<https://www.lyngsat.com/muxes/Astra-2F_UK_11344-V.html>
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On 06/07/2025 14:45, Andy Burns wrote:

Abandoned Trolley wrote:

messing about with the DVB-S2 setting, and the QPSK / 8PSK switch
seems to make no difference - and no difference to any other channel
either

UK TV has been piss-poor at differentiating the technologies used from
the picture format delivered.

e.g. SD started life using DVB-T1/S1 and MPEG2, then along came HD using DVB-T2/S2 and MPEG4, but now SD channels are using DVB-T2/S2 and MPEG4,
that seems to be what's tripping-up your box, which (if any) channels
from this list can you receive on your "bestest" STB?

<https://www.lyngsat.com/muxes/Astra-2F_UK_11344-V.html>

It always used to be that on Freeview, HD channels were only carried on
DVB-T2 and SD channels were only carried on DVB-T multiplexes. Then COM7
and COM8 began carrying a few "sub-SD" channels (544x576 rather than
720x576) though still encoded as H264 rather than MPEG as on PSB 1-2 and
COM 4-6. Once COM 7-8 closed, a few of the sub-SD channels moved to PSB3
which is nominal the HD multiplexes.

I read recently that one of the COM muxes has just started carrying a SD channel in H264 (amongst all the others in MPEG) as an experiment.

I don't actually use a dedicated PVR; instead I use TV Headend on a
Raspberry Pi with DVB-T2 and DVB-S2 tuners, so I can receive anything.
It can be a pain manually tweaking the DVB-S mux settings (symbol rate,
FEC etc) if they happen to change. And I've set it up to have all the
various BBC1 and ITV1 regional variations in case there's a story that
is covered in greater detail on a local news than on the national news.

And VideoReDo software allows me to edit out continuity and adverts
("the crap"). I tend to record things and watch them later (without "the crap") rather than watching them live.
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NY wrote:

I don't actually use a dedicated PVR; instead I use TV Headend on a Raspberry Pi with DVB-T2 and DVB-S2 tuners, so I can receive anything.

Similar, but not on a RPi

It can be a pain manually tweaking the DVB-S mux settings (symbol rate,
FEC etc) if they happen to change.

I find the FEC and Modulation settings sort themselves out if entered as "Auto".
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On 06/07/2025 14:45, Andy Burns wrote:

Abandoned Trolley wrote:

messing about with the DVB-S2 setting, and the QPSK / 8PSK switch
seems to make no difference - and no difference to any other channel
either

UK TV has been piss-poor at differentiating the technologies used from
the picture format delivered.

e.g. SD started life using DVB-T1/S1 and MPEG2, then along came HD using DVB-T2/S2 and MPEG4, but now SD channels are using DVB-T2/S2 and MPEG4,
that seems to be what's tripping-up your box, which (if any) channels
from this list can you receive on your "bestest" STB?

<https://www.lyngsat.com/muxes/Astra-2F_UK_11344-V.html>

And the results are :




50903 True Crime Xtra UK No

55201 That's TV 2 Yes

55202 Legend Xtra No

55207 That's Summer No - Not on Freesat ?

55208 True Crime Xtra Ireland No

55209 Legend No

55213 PBS America Yes

55214 True Crime UK No

55216 True Crime Ireland No

55217 True Crime UK +1 No

55218 Legend Xtra +1 No

55225 Talking Pictures TV Yes

55230 That's TV UK Yes

55235 That's TV 3 No - Not on Freesat ?

55240 Babestation No

55266 STV East No

55268 ITV 1 Granada +1 No

55269 ITV 1 Central West +1 No

55270 ITV 1 London +1 Yes

55271 ITV 1 Meridian East +1 No

55280 That's Melody No - Not on Freesat ?

55282 ITV 3 +1 Yes

55283 ITV 4 +1 Yes



Its should be noted that ...

1. I only ever do a "Freesat tune", rather than a full scan of all
channels - so I imagine thats why stuff like Babestation is missing ?

2. I actually enter a local postcode in to the machine, so that might
explain why STV and some regional ITV stuff is missing along with True
Crime Ireland (although I have 15 regional variants of BBC1)

2. According to https://www.thats.tv/ they only have Freesat channels
for ThatsTV and ThatsTV2 - hence the notes above
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Abandoned Trolley wrote:

And the results are :

50903-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a True Crime Xtra UK-a-a-a-a No

55201-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a That's TV 2-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a Yes

55202-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a Legend Xtra-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a No

55207-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a That's Summer-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a No - Not on Freesat ?

55208-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a True Crime Xtra Ireland-a-a-a No

55209-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a Legend-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a No

55213-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a PBS America-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a Yes

55214-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a True Crime UK-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a No

55216-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a True Crime Ireland-a-a-a-a No

55217-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a True Crime UK +1-a-a-a-a No

55218-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a Legend Xtra +1-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a No

55225-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a Talking Pictures TV-a-a-a-a Yes

55230-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a That's TV UK-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a Yes

55235-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a That's TV 3-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a No - Not on Freesat ?

55240-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a Babestation-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a No

55266-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a STV East-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a No

55268-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a ITV 1 Granada +1-a-a-a-a No

55269-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a ITV 1 Central West +1-a-a-a-a No

55270-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a ITV 1 London +1-a-a-a-a Yes

55271-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a ITV 1 Meridian East +1-a-a-a-a No

55280-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a That's Melody-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a No - Not on Freesat ?

55282-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a ITV 3 +1-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a Yes

55283-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a ITV 4 +1-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a Yes

seems from those last two ITV channels (and others) your box doesn't
object to the combination of DVB-S2, SD and MPEG4, so why won't it play
e.g. True Crime Extra or Legend Extra, which are the same combination?

all the channels you query as "not on freesat" are definitely there and playable

Its should be noted that ...

1. I only ever do a "Freesat tune", rather than a full scan of all
channels - so I imagine thats why stuff like Babestation is missing ?

seems to have renamed to "babenation"

2. I actually enter a local postcode in to the machine, so that might explain why STV and some regional ITV stuff is missing along with True
Crime Ireland (although I have 15 regional variants of BBC1)

yes, i think an actual freesat box will adjust for regional variations

2. According to https://www.thats.tv/ they only have Freesat channels
for ThatsTV and ThatsTV2 - hence the notes above

That's TV3 happily playing "When the boat comes in" while 1 and 2
playing benidorm and bread.

Are you sure you've retuned?

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Are you sure you've retuned?

Yes

Until yesterday I had never even heard of TV3 - which FreeSat channel is
it on ?

I dont know what distinguishes Freesat channels from other FTA channels,
and I dont know why theres no channel number quoted on their own web site.
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Abandoned Trolley wrote:

Until yesterday I had never even heard of TV3 - which FreeSat channel is
it on ?

My equipment isn't "FreeSat" it's "free to air" so things like channel
numbers are a bit woolly, I only map channels I intend to watch.

I just mapped the satellite version of TV3 and it didn't assign a
channel number, perhaps because it's already had the hint of ch71 from
the terrestrial version of TV3?
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On 08/07/2025 09:30, Andy Burns wrote:

Abandoned Trolley wrote:

Until yesterday I had never even heard of TV3 - which FreeSat channel
is it on ?

My equipment isn't "FreeSat" it's "free to air" so things like channel numbers are a bit woolly, I only map channels I intend to watch.

I just mapped the satellite version of TV3 and it didn't assign a
channel number, perhaps because it's already had the hint of ch71 from
the terrestrial version of TV3?

Theres obviously some sort of ident or tag broadcast with some of the
channels to identify them as Freesat, and its missing from those
channels - the box has no connection to the internet.


TTV3 is broadcast on Freeview channel 71 in this region.
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On 08/07/2025 11:55, Abandoned Trolley wrote:

On 08/07/2025 09:30, Andy Burns wrote:

Abandoned Trolley wrote:

Until yesterday I had never even heard of TV3 - which FreeSat channel
is it on ?

My equipment isn't "FreeSat" it's "free to air" so things like channel
numbers are a bit woolly, I only map channels I intend to watch.

I just mapped the satellite version of TV3 and it didn't assign a
channel number, perhaps because it's already had the hint of ch71 from
the terrestrial version of TV3?

Theres obviously some sort of ident or tag broadcast with some of the channels to identify them as Freesat, and its missing from those
channels - the box has no connection to the internet.

I doubt that any FTA satellite channels need an ident or tag to identify
them as Freesat because they exist as such only within the Freesat EPG. Otherwise they are no different from the many other unencrypted channels
on the satellite. Presumably the EPG data includes the current
characteristics (frequency, etc) for each of "its" channels.
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I doubt that any FTA satellite channels need an ident or tag to identify them as Freesat because they exist as such only within the Freesat EPG. Otherwise they are no different from the many other unencrypted channels
on the satellite. Presumably the EPG data includes the current characteristics (frequency, etc) for each of "its" channels.

According to ChatGPT ...


< Freesat channels are identified by Electronic Program Guide (EPG) data
that is broadcast on specific Freesat transponders. This metadata includes:

Channel numbers (LCNs) specific to Freesat

Channel name, genre, and other info

EPG schedule data

Receivers that are Freesat-certified are programmed to look for this data. >

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On 08/07/2025 11:55, Abandoned Trolley wrote:

On 08/07/2025 09:30, Andy Burns wrote:

Abandoned Trolley wrote:

Until yesterday I had never even heard of TV3 - which FreeSat channel
is it on ?

My equipment isn't "FreeSat" it's "free to air" so things like channel
numbers are a bit woolly, I only map channels I intend to watch.

I just mapped the satellite version of TV3 and it didn't assign a
channel number, perhaps because it's already had the hint of ch71 from
the terrestrial version of TV3?

Theres obviously some sort of ident or tag broadcast with some of the channels to identify them as Freesat, and its missing from those
channels - the box has no connection to the internet.

TTV3 is broadcast on Freeview channel 71 in this region.

That's ITV3 of Freeview

On Freesat the standard definition version is no longer broadcast, only
the HD version. If the receiver is not capable of receiving HD brodcasts
the channel will be missing. On satellite ITV3+1 is SD.
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TTV3 is broadcast on Freeview channel 71 in this region.

That's ITV3 of Freeview

On Freesat the standard definition version is no longer broadcast, only
the HD version. If the receiver is not capable of receiving HD brodcasts
the channel will be missing.-a On satellite ITV3+1 is SD.

TTV3 = Thats TV 3


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On 08/07/2025 14:17, Abandoned Trolley wrote:

I doubt that any FTA satellite channels need an ident or tag to
identify them as Freesat because they exist as such only within the
Freesat EPG. Otherwise they are no different from the many other
unencrypted channels on the satellite. Presumably the EPG data
includes the current characteristics (frequency, etc) for each of
"its" channels.

According to ChatGPT ...

< Freesat channels are identified by Electronic Program Guide (EPG) data that is broadcast on specific Freesat transponders. This metadata includes:

-a-a-a Channel numbers (LCNs) specific to Freesat

-a-a-a Channel name, genre, and other info

-a-a-a EPG schedule data

Receivers that are Freesat-certified are programmed to look for this
data. >

So ChatGPT agrees with me.
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On 08/07/2025 14:23, Abandoned Trolley wrote:

TTV3 is broadcast on Freeview channel 71 in this region.

That's ITV3 of Freeview

On Freesat the standard definition version is no longer broadcast,
only the HD version. If the receiver is not capable of receiving HD
brodcasts the channel will be missing.-a On satellite ITV3+1 is SD.

TTV3 = Thats TV 3

Sorry I misread the TV channel, but is it "that's TV 3"

From a 3 day old scan I have
That's Summer
That's Dance
That's Melody

Sorry no channel numbers as I have a satellite box configured for the
Sky free to air (FTA) channels and the sky EPG for them. The box can be configured for the Freesat channels but Sky FTA gives me another couple
more channel not on Freesat.
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Sorry I misread the TV channel, but is it "that's TV 3"

Yes - it seems to be a FTA channel, but NOT assigned a Freesat Channel
number

As per my previous response, the page at https://www.thats.tv might clarify
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