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In message <mef8nhFagnbU1@mid.individual.net>, David North <nospam@lane-farm.fsnet.co.uk> writes

On 23/07/2025 10:38, FBInCIAnNSATerroristSlayer wrote:

"Yes, most of the teams, they use this [tactic]. Even if we were in a >>position, we would've also liked to play lesser overs, but there's a >>manner to do it. And we felt, yes, if you get hit on your body, the >>physios are allowed to come on and that is something that is fair. But
to be able to come 90 seconds late on the crease is not something that
I would think comes in the spirit of the game."
Gill was seen on camera using some choice words at the England
batters during this phase of play. He alluded to things simmering
under the surface a bit, but didn't go into detail.
"And just leading up to that event, a lot of things that we thought >>should not have happened had happened," he said. "And I wouldn't say
it was something that I'm very proud of, but there was a lead-up and >>build- up to that. It didn't just come out of nowhere, and we had no >>intention of doing that whatsoever. But you're playing a game, you're >>playing to win, and there are a lot of emotions involved, and when
you see there are things happening that should not happen, sometimes
the emotions come out of nowhere."
England captain Ben Stokes felt similarly: sledging is not something >>they plan or talk about, it is just something that boils over.
However, he did say they were going to give back as good as they get.
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'England openers came out 90 seconds late' - Gill on Lord's sledging
"They were 90 seconds late to come to the pitch. Not 10, not 20.
Ninety seconds late."

The only thing the Laws allow the umpires to do about that is to give
them a warning for time-wasting. Only if there was further time-wasting >later in the innings could they award Penalty runs and report them.

<snip>

Could both openers have been timed out had they been two minutes late
coming out? Or could it even have been interpreted as England conceding
the match? If either of those was applicable, then they were cutting it
rather fine.
--
John Hall
"I look upon it, that he who does not mind his belly,
will hardly mind anything else."
Dr Samuel Johnson (1709-84)
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On 7/24/2025 10:27 AM, David North wrote:

On 23/07/2025 10:38, FBInCIAnNSATerroristSlayer wrote:

"Yes, most of the teams, they use this [tactic]. Even if we were in a
position, we would've also liked to play lesser overs, but there's a
manner to do it. And we felt, yes, if you get hit on your body, the
physios are allowed to come on and that is something that is fair. But
to be able to come 90 seconds late on the crease is not something that
I would think comes in the spirit of the game."

Gill was seen on camera using some choice words at the England batters
during this phase of play. He alluded to things simmering under the
surface a bit, but didn't go into detail.

"And just leading up to that event, a lot of things that we thought
should not have happened had happened," he said. "And I wouldn't say
it was something that I'm very proud of, but there was a lead-up and
build- up to that. It didn't just come out of nowhere, and we had no
intention of doing that whatsoever. But you're playing a game, you're
playing to win, and there are a lot of emotions involved, and when you
see there are things happening that should not happen, sometimes the
emotions come out of nowhere."

England captain Ben Stokes felt similarly: sledging is not something
they plan or talk about, it is just something that boils over.
However, he did say they were going to give back as good as they get.


https://live.thunderbird.net/thunderbird/whatsnew?locale=en-
US&version=140.0.1&channel=esr&oldversion=128.12.0

'England openers came out 90 seconds late' - Gill on Lord's sledging

"They were 90 seconds late to come to the pitch. Not 10, not 20.
Ninety seconds late."

The only thing the Laws allow the umpires to do about that is to give
them a warning for time-wasting. Only if there was further time-wasting later in the innings could they award Penalty runs and report them.

India captain Shubman Gill has questioned England's conduct at Lord's,
when they ran down the clock on the third evening and made sure India
could bowl just one over in the seven minutes available. Gill said his
issue was more with the openers turning up 90 seconds late and not
with Zak Crawley getting medical attention when a delivery from
Jasprit Bumrah brushed his glove.

Well, Gill could hardly complain about that after holding up play for several minutes getting treatment himself during England's first innings.

Gill taking too much time during treatment has NO bearing on the match
and he WASN'T TRYING to DERIVE "ANY" advantage while Crawley and Duckett DELIBERATELY TRIED to AVOID playing one extra over in the evening.

There is a yuuuuge (trump's word :-)) difference between the two incidents.



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On 7/24/2025 10:27 AM, David North wrote:

On 23/07/2025 10:38, FBInCIAnNSATerroristSlayer wrote:

"Yes, most of the teams, they use this [tactic]. Even if we were in a
position, we would've also liked to play lesser overs, but there's a
manner to do it. And we felt, yes, if you get hit on your body, the
physios are allowed to come on and that is something that is fair. But
to be able to come 90 seconds late on the crease is not something that
I would think comes in the spirit of the game."

Gill was seen on camera using some choice words at the England batters
during this phase of play. He alluded to things simmering under the
surface a bit, but didn't go into detail.

"And just leading up to that event, a lot of things that we thought
should not have happened had happened," he said. "And I wouldn't say
it was something that I'm very proud of, but there was a lead-up and
build- up to that. It didn't just come out of nowhere, and we had no
intention of doing that whatsoever. But you're playing a game, you're
playing to win, and there are a lot of emotions involved, and when you
see there are things happening that should not happen, sometimes the
emotions come out of nowhere."

England captain Ben Stokes felt similarly: sledging is not something
they plan or talk about, it is just something that boils over.
However, he did say they were going to give back as good as they get.


https://live.thunderbird.net/thunderbird/whatsnew?locale=en-
US&version=140.0.1&channel=esr&oldversion=128.12.0

'England openers came out 90 seconds late' - Gill on Lord's sledging

"They were 90 seconds late to come to the pitch. Not 10, not 20.
Ninety seconds late."

The only thing the Laws allow the umpires to do about that is to give
them a warning for time-wasting. Only if there was further time-wasting later in the innings could they award Penalty runs and report them.

India captain Shubman Gill has questioned England's conduct at Lord's,
when they ran down the clock on the third evening and made sure India
could bowl just one over in the seven minutes available. Gill said his
issue was more with the openers turning up 90 seconds late and not
with Zak Crawley getting medical attention when a delivery from
Jasprit Bumrah brushed his glove.

Well, Gill could hardly complain about that after holding up play for several minutes getting treatment himself during England's first innings.

Gill taking too much time during treatment has NO bearing on the match
and he WASN'T TRYING to DERIVE "ANY" advantage while Crawley and Duckett DELIBERATELY TRIED to AVOID playing one extra over in the evening.

There is a yuuuuge (trump's word :-)) difference between the two incidents.



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From Newsgroup: uk.sport.cricket

On 7/24/2025 10:27 AM, David North wrote:

On 23/07/2025 10:38, FBInCIAnNSATerroristSlayer wrote:

"Yes, most of the teams, they use this [tactic]. Even if we were in a
position, we would've also liked to play lesser overs, but there's a
manner to do it. And we felt, yes, if you get hit on your body, the
physios are allowed to come on and that is something that is fair. But
to be able to come 90 seconds late on the crease is not something that
I would think comes in the spirit of the game."

Gill was seen on camera using some choice words at the England batters
during this phase of play. He alluded to things simmering under the
surface a bit, but didn't go into detail.

"And just leading up to that event, a lot of things that we thought
should not have happened had happened," he said. "And I wouldn't say
it was something that I'm very proud of, but there was a lead-up and
build- up to that. It didn't just come out of nowhere, and we had no
intention of doing that whatsoever. But you're playing a game, you're
playing to win, and there are a lot of emotions involved, and when you
see there are things happening that should not happen, sometimes the
emotions come out of nowhere."

England captain Ben Stokes felt similarly: sledging is not something
they plan or talk about, it is just something that boils over.
However, he did say they were going to give back as good as they get.


https://live.thunderbird.net/thunderbird/whatsnew?locale=en-
US&version=140.0.1&channel=esr&oldversion=128.12.0

'England openers came out 90 seconds late' - Gill on Lord's sledging

"They were 90 seconds late to come to the pitch. Not 10, not 20.
Ninety seconds late."

The only thing the Laws allow the umpires to do about that is to give
them a warning for time-wasting. Only if there was further time-wasting later in the innings could they award Penalty runs and report them.

India captain Shubman Gill has questioned England's conduct at Lord's,
when they ran down the clock on the third evening and made sure India
could bowl just one over in the seven minutes available. Gill said his
issue was more with the openers turning up 90 seconds late and not
with Zak Crawley getting medical attention when a delivery from
Jasprit Bumrah brushed his glove.

Well, Gill could hardly complain about that after holding up play for several minutes getting treatment himself during England's first innings.

Ben Stokes REFUSED to sign ICC forms.



rCyIrCOm not signing the form, norCO: Ben Stokes asks ICC to take a hard look at how over rate fines are structured

The England captain also said that the injury to slower bowler Shoaib
Bashir also complicated the over rate scenarios.

https://indianexpress.com/article/sports/cricket/ben-stokes-icc-over-rate-rules-fines-india-vs-england-10143074/


England captain Ben Stokes said that he will not be signing on any over
rate related papers after his team was docked two World test
Championship points for slow over rate in the LordrCOs Test against India
a couple of weeks ago. The home skipper added that the ICC needed to
take a hard look at the existing over rate rules considering different conditions all around the world.

rCLIrCOm not signing the form, no. Over rate isnrCOt something that I worry about, but thatrCOs not saying that I purposely slow things down. I do understand the frustration around it, but I honestly think there needs
to be a real hard look at how itrCOs structured,rCY Stokes said in the pre-match press conference on Tuesday.

rCLYou canrCOt have the same rules in Asia where spin is bowling 70 percent
of the overs to have the same laws in New Zealand, Australia, England,
where itrCOs going to be 70, 80 percent of seam bowled, because the spinnerrCOs over takes less time than the seamerrCOs over. Common sense
would think that you should look at changing how the over-rates are
timed in different continents,rCY Stokes reasoned.

He also feels, at times, there is a need to slow the game down and that
also impacts the over rate.

rCLI think also the over rates obviously have gone down over the course of quite a few years now. I wonder if scoring rates have got anything to do
with that as well. The ballrCOs getting hit to the boundary more often.
ItrCOs obviously going to take a lot longer.

rCLI can understand it from an external point of view around the overs. I really do. But itrCOs a very tough thing to do when I feel thererCOs more to it than just getting round, getting told, rCyOh, just quicken up. Get
through your overs.rCO rCLThererCOs a lot that actually goes on out on the field. YourCOve got fast bowlers bending their back consistently.
Throughout the course of a game, the time of overs is going to come
down. YourCOve just got tired bodies. We played for five days. That was
our 15th day of cricket.rCY

The England captain also said that the injury to slower bowler Shoaib
Bashir also complicated the over rate scenarios.

rCLWe, obviously, had an injury to Bash (Shoaib Bashir), a spinner, so we couldnrCOt turn to our spinner as much as we wouldrCOve liked to on day
five, so we had to throw seam at them for pretty much the whole day.
ThatrCOs obviously going to slow things down. There are periods in the
game where you do try and just slow everything down, more tactically if anything, like that,rCY the 34-year-old said.



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On 24/07/2025 19:27, John Hall wrote:

In message <mef8nhFagnbU1@mid.individual.net>, David North <nospam@lane- farm.fsnet.co.uk> writes

On 23/07/2025 10:38, FBInCIAnNSATerroristSlayer wrote:

"Yes, most of the teams, they use this [tactic]. Even if we were in a
position, we would've also liked to play lesser overs, but there's a
manner to do it. And we felt, yes, if you get hit on your body, the
physios are allowed to come on and that is something that is fair.
But to be able to come 90 seconds late on the crease is not something
that I-a would think comes in the spirit of the game."
-aGill was seen on camera using some choice words at the England
batters during this phase of play. He alluded to things simmering
under the surface a bit, but didn't go into detail.
-a"And just leading up to that event, a lot of things that we thought
should not have happened had happened," he said. "And I wouldn't say
it-a was something that I'm very proud of, but there was a lead-up and
build--a up to that. It didn't just come out of nowhere, and we had no
intention-a of doing that whatsoever. But you're playing a game,
you're playing to-a win, and there are a lot of emotions involved, and
when you see there-a are things happening that should not happen,
sometimes the emotions come-a out of nowhere."
-aEngland captain Ben Stokes felt similarly: sledging is not something
they plan or talk about, it is just something that boils over.
However,-a he did say they were going to give back as good as they get.
-a https://live.thunderbird.net/thunderbird/whatsnew?locale=en-
US&version=140.0.1&channel=esr&oldversion=128.12.0
-a'England openers came out 90 seconds late' - Gill on Lord's sledging
-a"They were 90 seconds late to come to the pitch. Not 10, not 20.
Ninety seconds late."

The only thing the Laws allow the umpires to do about that is to give
them a warning for time-wasting. Only if there was further time-
wasting later in the innings could they award Penalty runs and report
them.

<snip>

Could both openers have been timed out had they been two minutes late
coming out? Or could it even have been interpreted as England conceding
the match? If either of those was applicable, then they were cutting it rather fine.

From the Test playing conditions:

"40.1 Out Timed out 40.1.1 After the fall of a wicket or the retirement
of a batter, the incoming batter must, unless Time has been called, be
ready to receive the ball or for the other batter to be ready to receive
the next ball within 2 minutes of the dismissal or retirement. If this requirement is not met, the incoming batter will be out, Timed out."

... so Timed out would not apply, because it wasn't after the fall of a
wicket or the retirement of a batter.

"40.1.2 In the event of an extended delay in which no batter comes to
the wicket, the umpires shall adopt the procedure of clause 16.2 (ICC
Match Referee awarding a match). For the purposes of that clause the
start of the action shall be taken as the expiry of the 2 minutes
referred to above."

"16.2.2 If an umpire considers that an action by any player or players
might constitute a refusal by either side to play then the umpires
together shall inform the ICC Match Referee of this fact. The ICC Match Referee shall together with the umpires ascertain the cause of the
action. If the ICC Match Referee, after due consultation with the
umpires, then decides that this action does constitute a refusal to play
by one side, he/she shall so inform the captain of that side. If the
captain persists in the action the ICC Match Referee shall award the
match in accordance with clause 16.2.1.2 above."

Again, the 2 minutes doesn't explicitly apply, but if there was no sign
of the openers at that point, the umpires might reasonably have
commenced the procedure under 16.2.2.
--
David North
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