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Umpires replaced a 10 overs old ball with a 30 overs old ball at Lords test
https://indianexpress.com/article/sports/cricket/india-vs-england-30-ove >r-old-ball-after-10-overs-lords-test-10160065/?ref=hometop_hp
England vs India: Visitors raise red flag after umpires gave<snip>
30-overs-old replacement ball after 10 overs at LordrCOs
Changed cherry offered much less assistance to Indian bowlers, allowing >hosts to build match-changing partnership in a game they won by 22 runs
IndiarCOs team management is not happy with the ball-change protocol
during the ongoing Test series in England and has conveyed its concerns
to the ICC match referee. The management also believes that England got >preferential treatment when it came to choosing balls at the start of
the crucial third Test of the series at LordrCOs earlier this month.
The Indian Express has learnt that during EnglandrCOs first innings at >LordrCOs, when the second new ball went out of shape after 10 overs,
the replacement turned out to be 30-35 overs old. The protocol states
the replacement needs to be as old as the original but it is learnt
that the umpires told the team there was no ball in stock that was 10
overs old.
In message <paCiQ.62950$ert7.40331@fx16.ams4>,
FBInCIAnNSATerroristSlayer <FBInCIAnNSATerroristSlayer@america.com> writes
<snip>
Umpires replaced a 10 overs old ball with a 30 overs old ball at Lords
test
https://indianexpress.com/article/sports/cricket/india-vs-england-30-ove
r-old-ball-after-10-overs-lords-test-10160065/?ref=hometop_hp
England vs India: Visitors raise red flag after umpires gave 30-overs-
old replacement ball after 10 overs at LordrCOs
Changed cherry offered much less assistance to Indian bowlers,
allowing hosts to build match-changing partnership in a game they won
by 22 runs
IndiarCOs team management is not happy with the ball-change protocol
during the ongoing Test series in England and has conveyed its
concerns to the ICC match referee. The management also believes that
England got preferential treatment when it came to choosing balls at
the start of the crucial third Test of the series at LordrCOs earlier
this month.
The Indian Express has learnt that during EnglandrCOs first innings at
LordrCOs, when the second new ball went out of shape after 10 overs, the
replacement turned out to be 30-35 overs old. The protocol states the
replacement needs to be as old as the original but it is learnt that
the umpires told the team there was no ball in stock that was 10 overs
old.
Unfortunate but not too surprising, as the umpires won't have expected
or been prepared for needing to replace a ball that was only 10 overs
old. I'd imagine that getting an adequate supply of balls of the right
sort of age would have become a huge problem over recent Tests, given
the large number of replacements that have been required.
Thankfully I don't think the ball needed to be replaced before it had
been used for 80 overs even once during the Old Trafford Test, so
hopefully the problem with the batch of balls that was being used has
been solved.
Umpires replaced a 10 overs old ball with a 30 overs old ball at Lords test
https://indianexpress.com/article/sports/cricket/india-vs-england-30- over-old-ball-after-10-overs-lords-test-10160065/?ref=hometop_hp
England vs India: Visitors raise red flag after umpires gave 30-overs-
old replacement ball after 10 overs at LordrCOs
Changed cherry offered much less assistance to Indian bowlers, allowing hosts to build match-changing partnership in a game they won by 22 runs
IndiarCOs team management is not happy with the ball-change protocol
during the ongoing Test series in England and has conveyed its concerns
to the ICC match referee. The management also believes that England got preferential treatment when it came to choosing balls at the start of
the crucial third Test of the series at LordrCOs earlier this month.
The Indian Express has learnt that during EnglandrCOs first innings at LordrCOs, when the second new ball went out of shape after 10 overs, the replacement turned out to be 30-35 overs old. The protocol states the replacement needs to be as old as the original
but it is learnt that the
umpires told the team there was no ball in stock that was 10 overs old.
The Indians feel that since they got a softer and older replacement for
a harder ball, which had been swinging and getting seam movement in the first 10 overs, it put them at a disadvantage in the Test that England eventually won by 22 runs to take a 2-1 lead in the series. The fourth
Test ended in a tense draw with the last match starting on Thursday.
rCLAt LordrCOs, after about 10 overs, the Dukes ball lost its shape, something that has been happening so often in the series. The ball
failed to pass through the rings that the umpires carry on the field to check if the ball is uniformly spherical. However, the umpires didnrCOt
have a ball that was 10 overs old, so the Indian team at a crucial
moment of the match got a ball that was 30-35 overs old,rCY said an Indian team official.
rCLCheck the scoreboard to see how the game changed after that. The
bowlers lost their swing and England scored with ease,rCY the official said.
On getting the much older ball, the Indian team management appealed to
the match referee to allow them to switch back to the original that had
gone out of shape. ThatrCOs when they were shown the rule book.
rCLWhen you ask for a ball change, you arenrCOt told about the age of the replacement you will be getting.
replacement would be 30 to 35 overs old. If we were told, we would have continued with the deformed ball that was used for 10 overs.
needs to intervene. This rule needs to be changed,rCY he said.
On 31/07/2025 05:20, FBInCIAnNSATerroristSlayer wrote:
Umpires replaced a 10 overs old ball with a 30 overs old ball at Lords
test
https://indianexpress.com/article/sports/cricket/india-vs-england-30-
over-old-ball-after-10-overs-lords-test-10160065/?ref=hometop_hp
England vs India: Visitors raise red flag after umpires gave 30-overs-
old replacement ball after 10 overs at LordrCOs
Changed cherry offered much less assistance to Indian bowlers,
allowing hosts to build match-changing partnership in a game they won
by 22 runs
IndiarCOs team management is not happy with the ball-change protocol
during the ongoing Test series in England and has conveyed its
concerns to the ICC match referee. The management also believes that
England got preferential treatment when it came to choosing balls at
the start of the crucial third Test of the series at LordrCOs earlier
this month.
The Indian Express has learnt that during EnglandrCOs first innings at
LordrCOs, when the second new ball went out of shape after 10 overs, the
replacement turned out to be 30-35 overs old. The protocol states the
replacement needs to be as old as the original
No it doesn't, it says that the replacement ball should have "wear
comparable with that which the previous ball had received before the
need for its replacement." That will depend on what has happened to the
two balls, not just how many overs have been bowled with them.
but it is learnt that the umpires told the team there was no ball in
stock that was 10 overs old.
The Indians feel that since they got a softer and older replacement
for a harder ball, which had been swinging and getting seam movement
in the first 10 overs, it put them at a disadvantage in the Test that
England eventually won by 22 runs to take a 2-1 lead in the series.
The fourth Test ended in a tense draw with the last match starting on
Thursday.
rCLAt LordrCOs, after about 10 overs, the Dukes ball lost its shape,
something that has been happening so often in the series. The ball
failed to pass through the rings that the umpires carry on the field
to check if the ball is uniformly spherical. However, the umpires
didnrCOt have a ball that was 10 overs old, so the Indian team at a
crucial moment of the match got a ball that was 30-35 overs old,rCY said
an Indian team official.
rCLCheck the scoreboard to see how the game changed after that. The
bowlers lost their swing and England scored with ease,rCY the official
said.
On getting the much older ball, the Indian team management appealed to
the match referee to allow them to switch back to the original that
had gone out of shape. ThatrCOs when they were shown the rule book.
rCLWhen you ask for a ball change, you arenrCOt told about the age of the >> replacement you will be getting.
Why ask for a replacement if the ball is working for you? (Not that's
it's up to the bowling side to ask)
-aAt LordrCOs, we werenrCOt told that the
replacement would be 30 to 35 overs old. If we were told, we would
have continued with the deformed ball that was used for 10 overs.
If the umpires decide that the ball is unfit, it has to be changed to
one that is fit. Why should the bowling side get the option to keep an
unfit ball, any more than the batting side should?
-aThe ICC
needs to intervene. This rule needs to be changed,rCY he said.
To what?
On 8/2/2025 9:33 AM, David North wrote:
On 31/07/2025 05:20, FBInCIAnNSATerroristSlayer wrote:
Umpires replaced a 10 overs old ball with a 30 overs old ball at
Lords test
https://indianexpress.com/article/sports/cricket/india-vs-england-30-
over-old-ball-after-10-overs-lords-test-10160065/?ref=hometop_hp
England vs India: Visitors raise red flag after umpires gave 30-
overs- old replacement ball after 10 overs at LordrCOs
Changed cherry offered much less assistance to Indian bowlers,
allowing hosts to build match-changing partnership in a game they won
by 22 runs
IndiarCOs team management is not happy with the ball-change protocol
during the ongoing Test series in England and has conveyed its
concerns to the ICC match referee. The management also believes that
England got preferential treatment when it came to choosing balls at
the start of the crucial third Test of the series at LordrCOs earlier
this month.
The Indian Express has learnt that during EnglandrCOs first innings at
LordrCOs, when the second new ball went out of shape after 10 overs,
the replacement turned out to be 30-35 overs old. The protocol states
the replacement needs to be as old as the original
No it doesn't, it says that the replacement ball should have "wear
comparable with that which the previous ball had received before the
need for its replacement." That will depend on what has happened to
the two balls, not just how many overs have been bowled with them.
Sure but common sense dictates that it would be VERY RARE for a 30-35
overs old ball to have the same wear and tear as a 10 over old ball.
but it is learnt that the umpires told the team there was no ball in
stock that was 10 overs old.
The Indians feel that since they got a softer and older replacement
for a harder ball, which had been swinging and getting seam movement
in the first 10 overs, it put them at a disadvantage in the Test that
England eventually won by 22 runs to take a 2-1 lead in the series.
The fourth Test ended in a tense draw with the last match starting on
Thursday.
rCLAt LordrCOs, after about 10 overs, the Dukes ball lost its shape,
something that has been happening so often in the series. The ball
failed to pass through the rings that the umpires carry on the field
to check if the ball is uniformly spherical. However, the umpires
didnrCOt have a ball that was 10 overs old, so the Indian team at a
crucial moment of the match got a ball that was 30-35 overs old,rCY
said an Indian team official.
rCLCheck the scoreboard to see how the game changed after that. The
bowlers lost their swing and England scored with ease,rCY the official
said.
On getting the much older ball, the Indian team management appealed
to the match referee to allow them to switch back to the original
that had gone out of shape. ThatrCOs when they were shown the rule book. >>>
rCLWhen you ask for a ball change, you arenrCOt told about the age of the >>> replacement you will be getting.
Why ask for a replacement if the ball is working for you? (Not that's
it's up to the bowling side to ask)
India asked for a ball change because it WENT out of SHAPE, NOT because
the ball is soft or not swinging.
On 02/08/2025 17:44, FBInCIAnNSATerroristSlayer wrote:
On 8/2/2025 9:33 AM, David North wrote:
On 31/07/2025 05:20, FBInCIAnNSATerroristSlayer wrote:
Umpires replaced a 10 overs old ball with a 30 overs old ball at
Lords test
https://indianexpress.com/article/sports/cricket/india-vs-
england-30- over-old-ball-after-10-overs-lords-test-10160065/?
ref=hometop_hp
England vs India: Visitors raise red flag after umpires gave 30-
overs- old replacement ball after 10 overs at LordrCOs
Changed cherry offered much less assistance to Indian bowlers,
allowing hosts to build match-changing partnership in a game they
won by 22 runs
IndiarCOs team management is not happy with the ball-change protocol
during the ongoing Test series in England and has conveyed its
concerns to the ICC match referee. The management also believes that
England got preferential treatment when it came to choosing balls at
the start of the crucial third Test of the series at LordrCOs earlier >>>> this month.
The Indian Express has learnt that during EnglandrCOs first innings at >>>> LordrCOs, when the second new ball went out of shape after 10 overs,
the replacement turned out to be 30-35 overs old. The protocol
states the replacement needs to be as old as the original
No it doesn't, it says that the replacement ball should have "wear
comparable with that which the previous ball had received before the
need for its replacement." That will depend on what has happened to
the two balls, not just how many overs have been bowled with them.
Sure but common sense dictates that it would be VERY RARE for a 30-35
overs old ball to have the same wear and tear as a 10 over old ball.
but it is learnt that the umpires told the team there was no ball in
stock that was 10 overs old.
The Indians feel that since they got a softer and older replacement
for a harder ball, which had been swinging and getting seam movement
in the first 10 overs, it put them at a disadvantage in the Test
that England eventually won by 22 runs to take a 2-1 lead in the
series. The fourth Test ended in a tense draw with the last match
starting on Thursday.
rCLAt LordrCOs, after about 10 overs, the Dukes ball lost its shape,
something that has been happening so often in the series. The ball
failed to pass through the rings that the umpires carry on the field
to check if the ball is uniformly spherical. However, the umpires
didnrCOt have a ball that was 10 overs old, so the Indian team at a
crucial moment of the match got a ball that was 30-35 overs old,rCY
said an Indian team official.
rCLCheck the scoreboard to see how the game changed after that. The
bowlers lost their swing and England scored with ease,rCY the official >>>> said.
On getting the much older ball, the Indian team management appealed
to the match referee to allow them to switch back to the original
that had gone out of shape. ThatrCOs when they were shown the rule book. >>>>
rCLWhen you ask for a ball change, you arenrCOt told about the age of >>>> the replacement you will be getting.
Why ask for a replacement if the ball is working for you? (Not that's
it's up to the bowling side to ask)
India asked for a ball change because it WENT out of SHAPE, NOT
because the ball is soft or not swinging.
So if they think the ball has gone of out shape, they always ask for it
be changed, without considering whether changing it is likely to be to
their advantage? That doesn't sound very clever.
On 8/3/2025 3:59 AM, David North wrote:
On 02/08/2025 17:44, FBInCIAnNSATerroristSlayer wrote:
On 8/2/2025 9:33 AM, David North wrote:
On 31/07/2025 05:20, FBInCIAnNSATerroristSlayer wrote:
Umpires replaced a 10 overs old ball with a 30 overs old ball at
Lords test
https://indianexpress.com/article/sports/cricket/india-vs-
england-30- over-old-ball-after-10-overs-lords-test-10160065/?
ref=hometop_hp
England vs India: Visitors raise red flag after umpires gave 30-
overs- old replacement ball after 10 overs at LordrCOs
Changed cherry offered much less assistance to Indian bowlers,
allowing hosts to build match-changing partnership in a game they
won by 22 runs
IndiarCOs team management is not happy with the ball-change protocol >>>>> during the ongoing Test series in England and has conveyed its
concerns to the ICC match referee. The management also believes
that England got preferential treatment when it came to choosing
balls at the start of the crucial third Test of the series at
LordrCOs earlier this month.
The Indian Express has learnt that during EnglandrCOs first innings >>>>> at LordrCOs, when the second new ball went out of shape after 10
overs, the replacement turned out to be 30-35 overs old. The
protocol states the replacement needs to be as old as the original
No it doesn't, it says that the replacement ball should have "wear
comparable with that which the previous ball had received before the
need for its replacement." That will depend on what has happened to
the two balls, not just how many overs have been bowled with them.
Sure but common sense dictates that it would be VERY RARE for a 30-35
overs old ball to have the same wear and tear as a 10 over old ball.
but it is learnt that the umpires told the team there was no ball
in stock that was 10 overs old.
The Indians feel that since they got a softer and older replacement >>>>> for a harder ball, which had been swinging and getting seam
movement in the first 10 overs, it put them at a disadvantage in
the Test that England eventually won by 22 runs to take a 2-1 lead
in the series. The fourth Test ended in a tense draw with the last
match starting on Thursday.
rCLAt LordrCOs, after about 10 overs, the Dukes ball lost its shape, >>>>> something that has been happening so often in the series. The ball
failed to pass through the rings that the umpires carry on the
field to check if the ball is uniformly spherical. However, the
umpires didnrCOt have a ball that was 10 overs old, so the Indian
team at a crucial moment of the match got a ball that was 30-35
overs old,rCY said an Indian team official.
rCLCheck the scoreboard to see how the game changed after that. The >>>>> bowlers lost their swing and England scored with ease,rCY the
official said.
On getting the much older ball, the Indian team management appealed >>>>> to the match referee to allow them to switch back to the original
that had gone out of shape. ThatrCOs when they were shown the rule book. >>>>>
rCLWhen you ask for a ball change, you arenrCOt told about the age of >>>>> the replacement you will be getting.
Why ask for a replacement if the ball is working for you? (Not
that's it's up to the bowling side to ask)
India asked for a ball change because it WENT out of SHAPE, NOT
because the ball is soft or not swinging.
So if they think the ball has gone of out shape, they always ask for
it be changed, without considering whether changing it is likely to be
to their advantage? That doesn't sound very clever.
Not always but in this case they asked for a change.
I think they asked for a change of ball thinking that an approximately
10 over old ball "in shape" would be better than a 10 over old ball "out
of shape".
On 02/08/2025 17:44, FBInCIAnNSATerroristSlayer wrote:<snip>
India asked for a ball change because it WENT out of SHAPE, NOT
because the ball is soft or not swinging.
So if they think the ball has gone of out shape, they always ask for it
be changed, without considering whether changing it is likely to be to
their advantage? That doesn't sound very clever.
On 03/08/2025 12:40, FBInCIAnNSATerroristSlayer wrote:
On 8/3/2025 3:59 AM, David North wrote:
On 02/08/2025 17:44, FBInCIAnNSATerroristSlayer wrote:
On 8/2/2025 9:33 AM, David North wrote:
On 31/07/2025 05:20, FBInCIAnNSATerroristSlayer wrote:
Umpires replaced a 10 overs old ball with a 30 overs old ball at
Lords test
https://indianexpress.com/article/sports/cricket/india-vs-
england-30- over-old-ball-after-10-overs-lords-test-10160065/?
ref=hometop_hp
England vs India: Visitors raise red flag after umpires gave 30-
overs- old replacement ball after 10 overs at LordrCOs
Changed cherry offered much less assistance to Indian bowlers,
allowing hosts to build match-changing partnership in a game they >>>>>> won by 22 runs
IndiarCOs team management is not happy with the ball-change protocol >>>>>> during the ongoing Test series in England and has conveyed its
concerns to the ICC match referee. The management also believes
that England got preferential treatment when it came to choosing
balls at the start of the crucial third Test of the series at
LordrCOs earlier this month.
The Indian Express has learnt that during EnglandrCOs first innings >>>>>> at LordrCOs, when the second new ball went out of shape after 10
overs, the replacement turned out to be 30-35 overs old. The
protocol states the replacement needs to be as old as the original
No it doesn't, it says that the replacement ball should have "wear
comparable with that which the previous ball had received before
the need for its replacement." That will depend on what has
happened to the two balls, not just how many overs have been bowled >>>>> with them.
Sure but common sense dictates that it would be VERY RARE for a
30-35 overs old ball to have the same wear and tear as a 10 over old
ball.
but it is learnt that the umpires told the team there was no ball >>>>>> in stock that was 10 overs old.
The Indians feel that since they got a softer and older
replacement for a harder ball, which had been swinging and getting >>>>>> seam movement in the first 10 overs, it put them at a disadvantage >>>>>> in the Test that England eventually won by 22 runs to take a 2-1
lead in the series. The fourth Test ended in a tense draw with the >>>>>> last match starting on Thursday.
rCLAt LordrCOs, after about 10 overs, the Dukes ball lost its shape, >>>>>> something that has been happening so often in the series. The ball >>>>>> failed to pass through the rings that the umpires carry on the
field to check if the ball is uniformly spherical. However, the
umpires didnrCOt have a ball that was 10 overs old, so the Indian >>>>>> team at a crucial moment of the match got a ball that was 30-35
overs old,rCY said an Indian team official.
rCLCheck the scoreboard to see how the game changed after that. The >>>>>> bowlers lost their swing and England scored with ease,rCY the
official said.
On getting the much older ball, the Indian team management
appealed to the match referee to allow them to switch back to the >>>>>> original that had gone out of shape. ThatrCOs when they were shown >>>>>> the rule book.
rCLWhen you ask for a ball change, you arenrCOt told about the age of >>>>>> the replacement you will be getting.
Why ask for a replacement if the ball is working for you? (Not
that's it's up to the bowling side to ask)
India asked for a ball change because it WENT out of SHAPE, NOT
because the ball is soft or not swinging.
So if they think the ball has gone of out shape, they always ask for
it be changed, without considering whether changing it is likely to
be to their advantage? That doesn't sound very clever.
Not always but in this case they asked for a change.
I think they asked for a change of ball thinking that an approximately
10 over old ball "in shape" would be better than a 10 over old ball
"out of shape".
If the out-of-shape ball "had been swinging and getting seam movement in
the first 10 overs" (and they had taken 3 for 27 in the last 5.3 overs
with it), I would have thought the odds were against a replacement
between better, and the best bet would be to keep quiet and stick with
what they had. If the original ball subsequently stopped swinging and seaming, they would still be able to ask for a change, whereas if they
got the ball changed and the replacement wasn't as good, they'd be stuck with it. Of course, if they kept quiet and the umpires checked the ball
of their own accord at some point, they would have changed it anyway,
but there was no need to draw their attention to it.