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Are y'all ready for the Rapture? Apparently it's taking place >tomorrow/Wednesday and social media is awash with excited Christians
ready to be taken home.
The New York Post has taken quite a satirical view on it, but ever since >John Nelson Darby first espoused a pre-tribulation rapture in 1843
several dates have been proposed, particularly by the JW's.
https://nypost.com/2025/09/21/lifestyle/rapture-might-be-coming-many-hope-their-dogs-are-included/
So, on a serious note, is the pre-tribulation rapture a heresy, or will >Jesus come and whisk away Christians befpre the terrible events that are >predicted to happen according to biblical prophecy?
On Mon, 22 Sep 2025 10:59:21 +0100, John <megane.06@gmail.com> wrote:
Are y'all ready for the Rapture? Apparently it's taking place
tomorrow/Wednesday and social media is awash with excited Christians
ready to be taken home.
The New York Post has taken quite a satirical view on it, but ever since
John Nelson Darby first espoused a pre-tribulation rapture in 1843
several dates have been proposed, particularly by the JW's.
https://nypost.com/2025/09/21/lifestyle/rapture-might-be-coming-many-hope-their-dogs-are-included/
So, on a serious note, is the pre-tribulation rapture a heresy, or will
Jesus come and whisk away Christians befpre the terrible events that are
predicted to happen according to biblical prophecy?
I don't think it's a heresy. It's a plausible explanation of some of the
more obscure passages of the New Testament. But I don't think it's as
obvious an explanation of those passages as some of its proponents would
have us believe. And I think that when you examine it more closely, the concept doesn't really stand up.
So, on a serious note, is the pre-tribulation rapture a heresy, or will Jesus come and whisk away Christians befpre the terrible events that are predicted to happen according to biblical prophecy?I believe it is a wrong interpretation of Scripture. Whether it should
I don't think it's a heresy. It's a plausible explanation of some of the
more obscure passages of the New Testament.
Are y'all ready for the Rapture?-a Apparently it's taking place tomorrow/ Wednesday and social media is awash with excited Christians ready to be taken home.
On 22/09/2025 10:59, John wrote:
Are y'all ready for the Rapture?-a Apparently it's taking place
tomorrow/ Wednesday and social media is awash with excited Christians
ready to be taken home.
According to the Daily Mail, some Christians are so sure of the rapture happening today that they are giving away money, cars and other
possessions.
Jesus told His followers, "Occupy till I come", which I understand to
mean, Carry on as normal. I expect there will be a lot of people on
Thursday who will wish that they had heeded that advice!
On 22/09/2025 10:59, John wrote:
So, on a serious note, is the pre-tribulation rapture a heresy, or
will Jesus come and whisk away Christians befpre the terrible events
that are predicted to happen according to biblical prophecy?
I believe it is a wrong interpretation of Scripture. Whether it should
be classed as a heresy I'm not sure.
Daniel 9 speaks of 70 prophetic weeks and specifies that 69 weeks will elapse between the decree to restore Jerusalem and the anointing of the Messiah. I think most Christians who take prophecy seriously agree inDo you think there will be a rapture of sorts? My own view is that the
taking Jesus' baptism as the anointing of the Messiah and calculate the
date of that event based on their understand of the decree to restore Jerusalem.
Now it seems to me that the 70th week should follow the 69, with the
Messiah being "cut off" in the middle of the week being the death of
Jesus after 3.5 years of ministry.
However Catholic theologians, eager to escape the Protestant
interpretations which applied Daniel's prophecies to the Catholic
church, proposed that there is, in fact, a long period of time between
the end of week 69 and the start of week 70 and that the events of the
70th week apply to the end of time. Thus you have seven years of tribulation, three and a half years of gospel bliss followed by three
and a half years of antichrist.
It all seems a bit contrived to me and, as I say, I reject the idea that there is a long gap between week 69 and week 70.
Do you think there will be a rapture of sorts?
My own view is that theI agree with you on 1 Thess 4. As I have previously mentioned, I don't
events of 1 Thessolonians 4 will take place at the end of time but Jesus also speaks of one being taken away, one remaining, which I used to
accept literally, but perhaps it was symbolic.
I believe the JW's did something similar in 1975.
On 23/09/2025 08:43, John wrote:
Do you think there will be a rapture of sorts?
No. Jesus will return once, at which time the dead are resurrected,
the living translated, and the wicked destroyed. This is followed by
the Millennium.
My own view is that the events of 1 Thessolonians 4 will take placeI agree with you on 1 Thess 4. As I have previously mentioned, I don't
at the end of time but Jesus also speaks of one being taken away,
one remaining, which I used to accept literally, but perhaps it was
symbolic.
see why the one taken and the other left requires a rapture. It can be
true even in the scenario of my first paragraph.
speaks of a rapture.[snip]
I think I was on ukrc the last time the rapture sell-offs happened in
2017.
I also think there are two reasons to label the rapture theory as a
heresy.
- it tries to work against christian witness and martydoms that are
promised during tribulation
- the theology it is part of is employed in evangelical-banking fraud
for the escheatment of wealth and property of its victims
I interepret those sayings as saying: the "one that is taken" as being
the one that is destroyed. The one that is "left behind" is the one
that is translated.
I also think there are two reasons to label the rapture theory as a
heresy.
- it tries to work against christian witness and martydoms that are
promised during tribulation
There will certainly be a time before Jesus returns when His people
are persecuted, but that belief is independent of any belief in a
rapture.
- the theology it is part of is employed in evangelical-banking fraud
for the escheatment of wealth and property of its victims
And I really don't see how you link the rapture to the process of escheatment.
I see evangelical theology (where rapture plays an important part)
working in a world where satan's money laundering angels provide (a
deficit and violence backed) prosperity, which is then counted as a
blessing from God. non-salvific extension to the idea of predestination
lets the christian account for his propserity and accept the means
(because God has condemned the rest of the world and blessed us).
Evangelical fundraising for Israel works on these lines. Even if the
quantum of funds is not significant this provides the narrative behind
the movement of funds. The ideas seem correlated and it seems the banks
can bank on it.
On 24/09/2025 06:59, Madhu wrote:
Evangelical fundraising for Israel works on these lines. Even if the
quantum of funds is not significant this provides the narrative behind
the movement of funds. The ideas seem correlated and it seems the banks
can bank on it.
I suggest you look up the word "quantum".
which includes usage in the sense I wanted to use it:
Even if that dictionary can be trusted
why use a word that can be misunderstood? After all, there is only one
letter extra in "quantity" over "quantum", so the extra labour of
typing it will not harm you. Not permanently, at least. Despite the
heat in India.
and 1997 2008 examples are both from India. I'm used to seeing in print.
For example you might state your interpretation of the millennium by
saying the saints would be in cooped up in heaven deciding the quantum
of punishment of those who will be judged and punished at the white
throne before annihilation. (instead of living gloriously with Christ
on earth, as I'd interpret it)