• Feast of Saint James

    From David Dalton@dalton@nfld.com to uk.religion.christian on Thu Jul 24 23:02:09 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.religion.christian

    July 25 is the Feast of Saint James, which happens to be the
    name day of my ill brother James, and I hope to heal him
    beginning on that day. However, unlike Jesus, I have no
    healer special ability, and the only way I can heal James
    is by my complicated omnibus prayer negotiated over the
    last 29 years with the chair/moderator, my Deity, which
    includes sudden evolution, which will include transformation
    and healing of existing adults (at least minor criminal and
    better, and medium criminal and worse who are following
    their best course of action to pay for their sins).

    I believe that Jacob instigated sudden evolution of humans
    and agricultural mammals, birds, and plants in his region,
    and plan to look for evidence of that in scripture.

    Anyway, sorry for getting a bit new-age-y, and I hope this
    passes moderation; I know that I am an invader on this
    group, but I post here since people here talk back to me
    (and generally intelligently) whereas I am being ignored
    or just labelled as crazy on other groups including alt.atheism .

    And, for an on-topic note, in my home parish of
    Saints Peter and Paul in the town of
    Harbour Main--ChapelrCOs Cove--Lakeview
    in Conception Bay Central, Newfoundland,
    they recently held two outdoor cemetery masses,
    one in Harbour Main and one in ChapelrCOs Cove.
    My poet sister Mary attended the one in ChapelrCOs Cove,
    where my parents are buried, and my brother James
    later asked me did she tend to our parentsrCO graves,
    but I donrCOt think she had time.
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    Blow the rest away" (Robbie Robertson quoting Dinah Maria Craik)




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  • From Kendall K. Down@kendallkdown@googlemail.com to uk.religion.christian on Fri Jul 25 07:37:41 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.religion.christian

    On 25/07/2025 02:32, David Dalton wrote:

    Anyway, sorry for getting a bit new-age-y, and I hope this
    passes moderation;
    You were right to be concerned. My finger hovered over the Reject button
    for some considerable time and I'm still not sure I did the right thing
    by accepting the post.

    Perhaps others would care to express an opinion?

    God bless,
    Kendall K. Down
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  • From Timreason@timreason@hotmail.co.uk to uk.religion.christian on Fri Jul 25 07:50:10 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.religion.christian

    On 25/07/2025 07:37, Kendall K. Down wrote:
    On 25/07/2025 02:32, David Dalton wrote:

    Anyway, sorry for getting a bit new-age-y, and I hope this
    passes moderation;
    You were right to be concerned. My finger hovered over the Reject button
    for some considerable time and I'm still not sure I did the right thing
    by accepting the post.

    Perhaps others would care to express an opinion?


    I'm not in favour of censoring people out, unless they are totally
    off-topic, or in some way the post is abusive or unacceptable.

    That said, I did find the post a bit 'Off The Planet'. But we can all
    join in praying for David's brother James, in any case.

    I would also point out that if healing occurs through prayer, the
    healing is not the work of the pray-er, and all glory must go to God,
    thanking Him alone.

    Tim.




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  • From John@megane.06@gmail.com to uk.religion.christian on Fri Jul 25 10:20:09 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.religion.christian

    On 25/07/2025 07:37, Kendall K. Down wrote:
    On 25/07/2025 02:32, David Dalton wrote:

    Anyway, sorry for getting a bit new-age-y, and I hope this
    passes moderation;
    You were right to be concerned. My finger hovered over the Reject button
    for some considerable time and I'm still not sure I did the right thing
    by accepting the post.

    Perhaps others would care to express an opinion?

    Whlst you or I may disagree with David's beliefs (probably for different reasons) he has a right to his viewpoint, although I do understand your reticence in allowing the post. He is also respectful of Christianity
    even if his beliefs aren't the same.



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  • From Stuart@Spambin@argonet.co.uk to uk.religion.christian on Fri Jul 25 09:45:03 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.religion.christian

    In article
    <0001HW.2E33161900B0A42070000D3A438F@news.eternal-september.org>,
    David Dalton <dalton@nfld.com> wrote:
    July 25 is the Feast of Saint James, which happens to be the
    name day of my ill brother James, and I hope to heal him
    beginning on that day. However, unlike Jesus, I have no
    healer special ability, and the only way I can heal James
    is by my complicated omnibus prayer negotiated over the
    last 29 years with the chair/moderator, my Deity, which
    includes sudden evolution, which will include transformation
    and healing of existing adults (at least minor criminal and
    better, and medium criminal and worse who are following
    their best course of action to pay for their sins).

    By pure chance, last night I was Studying James 5:13-16, with the
    assistance of a commentary in the "Preaching the word series", by R.Kent Hughes, which covers healing. Perhaps you should read it.

    God is the only healer, and healing depends on the faith of the ill
    person, those praying for the person, and God's will for that person.

    We know there are plenty of instances of God healing people, both through Jesus, certain prophets, and apostles, but we also know He chooses not to
    heal, for example Paul's "Thorn in his side".

    So forget your "complicated omnibus prayer negotiated over the
    last 29 years with the chair/moderator, my Deity" you are wasting your
    time.
    --
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  • From Kendall K. Down@kendallkdown@googlemail.com to uk.religion.christian on Sun Jul 27 17:05:41 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.religion.christian

    On 25/07/2025 07:50, Timreason wrote:

    That said, I did find the post a bit 'Off The Planet'.

    Yes, my sympathies are with the atheist group whose reactions David
    reported.

    But we can all
    join in praying for David's brother James, in any case.

    We can indeed - and just wish that he had limited his post that point.
    I would also point out that if healing occurs through prayer, the
    healing is not the work of the pray-er, and all glory must go to God, thanking Him alone.

    The God of the Bible, of course.

    God bless,
    Kendall K. Down
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  • From Kendall K. Down@kendallkdown@googlemail.com to uk.religion.christian on Sun Jul 27 17:06:49 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.religion.christian

    On 25/07/2025 10:20, John wrote:

    Whlst you or I may disagree with David's beliefs (probably for different reasons) he has a right to his viewpoint, although I do understand your reticence in allowing the post. He is also respectful of Christianity
    even if his beliefs aren't the same.
    Of course he has a right to his viewpoint. The question is whether he
    has a right to express that viewpoint on uk.r.c.

    God bless,
    Kendall K. Down
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  • From John@megane.06@gmail.com to uk.religion.christian on Mon Jul 28 00:19:50 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.religion.christian

    On 27/07/2025 17:06, Kendall K. Down wrote:
    On 25/07/2025 10:20, John wrote:

    Whlst you or I may disagree with David's beliefs (probably for
    different reasons) he has a right to his viewpoint, although I do
    understand your reticence in allowing the post. He is also respectful
    of Christianity even if his beliefs aren't the same.
    Of course he has a right to his viewpoint. The question is whether he
    has a right to express that viewpoint on uk.r.c.

    Why not? It's within the charter as St James was one of the Apostles.



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  • From David Dalton@dalton@nfld.com to uk.religion.christian on Sun Jul 27 18:01:57 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.religion.christian

    On Jul 25, 2025, Timreason wrote
    (in article <105v9f2$1rmc0$1@dont-email.me>):

    On 25/07/2025 07:37, Kendall K. Down wrote:
    On 25/07/2025 02:32, David Dalton wrote:

    Anyway, sorry for getting a bit new-age-y, and I hope this
    passes moderation;
    You were right to be concerned. My finger hovered over the Reject button for some considerable time and I'm still not sure I did the right thing
    by accepting the post.

    Perhaps others would care to express an opinion?

    I'm not in favour of censoring people out, unless they are totally
    off-topic, or in some way the post is abusive or unacceptable.

    That said, I did find the post a bit 'Off The Planet'. But we can all
    join in praying for David's brother James, in any case.

    I would also point out that if healing occurs through prayer, the
    healing is not the work of the pray-er, and all glory must go to God, thanking Him alone.

    I believe that some people have healer special ability,
    and it is applied by willing, not by prayer, though it
    can be accompanied by prayer. However of course
    the healer special ability is divinely granted.
    --
    https://www.nfld.com/~dalton/dtales.html Salmon on the Thorns (mystic page) "When you find what's worth keeping; With a breath of kindness
    Blow the rest away" (Robbie Robertson quoting Dinah Maria Craik)




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  • From David Dalton@dalton@nfld.com to uk.religion.christian on Sun Jul 27 21:22:17 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.religion.christian

    On Jul 27, 2025, John wrote
    (in article <1066c6m$1vmu6$2@dont-email.me>):

    On 27/07/2025 17:06, Kendall K. Down wrote:
    On 25/07/2025 10:20, John wrote:

    Whlst you or I may disagree with David's beliefs (probably for
    different reasons) he has a right to his viewpoint, although I do understand your reticence in allowing the post. He is also respectful
    of Christianity even if his beliefs aren't the same.
    Of course he has a right to his viewpoint. The question is whether he
    has a right to express that viewpoint on uk.r.c.

    Why not? It's within the charter as St James was one of the Apostles.

    I think he was objecting to my hope of sudden evolution (ongoing Creation).
    --
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  • From Kendall K. Down@kendallkdown@googlemail.com to uk.religion.christian on Mon Jul 28 06:59:16 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.religion.christian

    On 27/07/2025 21:31, David Dalton wrote:

    I believe that some people have healer special ability,
    and it is applied by willing, not by prayer, though it
    can be accompanied by prayer. However of course
    the healer special ability is divinely granted.

    The Bible is clear that the gift of healing is given by God and is
    exercised by the prayer of faith.

    If you think otherwise - and if there is genuine healing involved - then
    we are looking at a supernatural power other than God. And there's only
    one alternative.

    God bless,
    Kendall K. Down
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  • From Kendall K. Down@kendallkdown@googlemail.com to uk.religion.christian on Mon Jul 28 07:02:06 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.religion.christian

    On 28/07/2025 00:52, David Dalton wrote:

    I think he was objecting to my hope of sudden evolution (ongoing Creation).

    I was objecting to all the nonsense you posted, not just one item.

    As you could have limited yourself to the ostensible subject of your
    post, it seemed clear to me that you were deliberately trailing your
    coat. The fact that you got away with it this time is no guarantee that
    I will be similarly lenient in future.

    God bless,
    Kendall K. Down
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  • From Kendall K. Down@kendallkdown@googlemail.com to uk.religion.christian on Mon Jul 28 07:00:05 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.religion.christian

    On 28/07/2025 00:19, John wrote:

    Why not? It's within the charter as St James was one of the Apostles.

    Go back and re-read the post.

    God bless,
    Kendall K. Down
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  • From David Dalton@dalton@nfld.com to uk.religion.christian on Tue Jul 29 00:17:49 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.religion.christian

    On Jul 28, 2025, Kendall K. Down wrote
    (in article <10673jg$221gi$2@dont-email.me>):

    On 27/07/2025 21:31, David Dalton wrote:

    I believe that some people have healer special ability,
    and it is applied by willing, not by prayer, though it
    can be accompanied by prayer. However of course
    the healer special ability is divinely granted.

    The Bible is clear that the gift of healing is given by God and is
    exercised by the prayer of faith.

    If you think otherwise - and if there is genuine healing involved - then
    we are looking at a supernatural power other than God. And there's only
    one alternative.

    God bless,
    Kendall K. Down

    I believe that Jesus had healer special ability granted to him
    by his God, and that it was further transmitted to the apostles
    and possibly some others at Pentecost. Again, it has to be
    applied by willing. Simple prayer will produce no better
    effect than just living with the person who has healer special
    ability. God grants the ability, and other benign ones
    such as peacemaker, and expects that the holder of the
    abilities will apply them by willing. And I do not believe
    any fallen angel Satan exists, and believe there are many
    more non-human someones than just God. Also, what
    do you mean by supernatural?
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  • From Kendall K. Down@kendallkdown@googlemail.com to uk.religion.christian on Tue Jul 29 07:24:37 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.religion.christian

    On 29/07/2025 03:47, David Dalton wrote:

    I believe that Jesus had healer special ability granted to him
    by his God, and that it was further transmitted to the apostles
    and possibly some others at Pentecost. Again, it has to be
    applied by willing. Simple prayer will produce no better
    effect than just living with the person who has healer special
    ability.

    That, of course, is not what the Bible says.

    God grants the ability, and other benign ones
    such as peacemaker, and expects that the holder of the
    abilities will apply them by willing.

    If you mean that someone has to choose to heal rather than, say, eat a
    cheese sandwich, I suppose you are correct.

    However, it doesn't matter how much an individual may wish for Xxx to be healed, unless God is willing for that to happen, he will remain unhealed.

    And I do not believe
    any fallen angel Satan exists, and believe there are many
    more non-human someones than just God.

    No, of course you wouldn't believe in the devil. He is very adept at
    getting his dupes to doubt his existence, the better to lead them by the
    nose.

    Also, what do you mean by supernatural?

    I believe there are any number of reputable dictionaries available
    on-line. You may consult any of them.

    God bless,
    Kendall K. Down
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  • From Timreason@timreason@hotmail.co.uk to uk.religion.christian on Tue Jul 29 07:46:03 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.religion.christian

    On 29/07/2025 03:47, David Dalton wrote:


    I believe that Jesus had healer special ability granted to him
    by his God, and that it was further transmitted to the apostles
    and possibly some others at Pentecost. Again, it has to be
    applied by willing. Simple prayer will produce no better
    effect than just living with the person who has healer special
    ability. God grants the ability, and other benign ones
    such as peacemaker, and expects that the holder of the
    abilities will apply them by willing. And I do not believe
    any fallen angel Satan exists, and believe there are many
    more non-human someones than just God.

    Sorry, but this whole paragraph immediately put me in mind of a ship
    floating about all over the place with a busted rudder.

    Tim.




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  • From Kendall K. Down@kendallkdown@googlemail.com to uk.religion.christian on Tue Jul 29 12:04:01 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.religion.christian

    On 29/07/2025 07:46, Timreason wrote:

    Sorry, but this whole paragraph immediately put me in mind of a ship floating about all over the place with a busted rudder.

    That's being kind.

    God bless,
    Kendall K. Down
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  • From Kendall K. Down@kendallkdown@googlemail.com to uk.religion.christian on Sun Aug 3 21:00:50 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.religion.christian

    On 01/08/2025 06:25, David Dalton wrote:

    I have negotiated with God by perineum click

    1. You don't negotiate with God.

    2. And any communication with God does not involve the small intestine.

    God bless,
    Kendall K. Down
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  • From David Dalton@dalton@nfld.com to uk.religion.christian on Tue Aug 19 02:36:26 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.religion.christian

    On Jul 29, 2025, Kendall K. Down wrote
    (in article <1069pf5$2g2k4$3@dont-email.me>):

    On 29/07/2025 03:47, David Dalton wrote:

    I believe that Jesus had healer special ability granted to him
    by his God, and that it was further transmitted to the apostles
    and possibly some others at Pentecost. Again, it has to be
    applied by willing. Simple prayer will produce no better
    effect than just living with the person who has healer special
    ability.

    That, of course, is not what the Bible says.

    God grants the ability, and other benign ones
    such as peacemaker, and expects that the holder of the
    abilities will apply them by willing.

    If you mean that someone has to choose to heal rather than, say, eat a
    cheese sandwich, I suppose you are correct.

    Christ Rose <usenet@christrose.news> posted the following quote
    to some unmoderated Christian newsgroups recently, and I think
    it is relevant:

    rCLAnd Jesus stretched out his hand and touched him, saying, rCyI
    will; be clean.rCO And immediately his leprosy was cleansed.rCY
    (Matthew 8:3, ESV)
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  • From Kendall K. Down@kendallkdown@googlemail.com to uk.religion.christian on Tue Aug 19 16:36:35 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.religion.christian

    On 19/08/2025 06:06, David Dalton wrote:

    rCLAnd Jesus stretched out his hand and touched him, saying, rCyI
    will; be clean.rCO And immediately his leprosy was cleansed.rCY
    (Matthew 8:3, ESV)

    And your point is?

    God bless,
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  • From David Dalton@dalton@nfld.com to uk.religion.christian on Tue Aug 19 16:30:46 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.religion.christian

    On Aug 19, 2025, Kendall K. Down wrote
    (in article <10825m3$3qgsu$1@dont-email.me>):

    On 19/08/2025 06:06, David Dalton wrote:

    rCLAnd Jesus stretched out his hand and touched him, saying, rCyI
    will; be clean.rCO And immediately his leprosy was cleansed.rCY
    (Matthew 8:3, ESV)

    And your point is?

    God bless,
    Kendall K. Down

    He didnrCOt say rCLI prayrCY, he said rCLI willrCY, which supports my
    claim that healer special ability is applied by willing,
    not by prayer, though the ability is divinely granted.
    But of course those without healer special ability
    have to rely on prayer.
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  • From Kendall K. Down@kendallkdown@googlemail.com to uk.religion.christian on Wed Aug 20 04:04:29 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.religion.christian

    On 19/08/2025 20:00, David Dalton wrote:

    He didnrCOt say rCLI prayrCY, he said rCLI willrCY,

    Jesus was asked, "If you will ..." to which He gave the grammatically
    correct reply, "I will". You are reading far too much into a simple
    question and answer exchange.

    which supports my
    claim that healer special ability is applied by willing,
    not by prayer, though the ability is divinely granted.
    But of course those without healer special ability
    have to rely on prayer.

    As the unique Son of God, Jesus had no need to pray in order to heal.
    There is no "healer special ability" as you claim.

    God bless,
    Kendall K. Down
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  • From David Dalton@dalton@nfld.com to uk.religion.christian on Wed Aug 20 21:56:35 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.religion.christian

    On Aug 20, 2025, Kendall K. Down wrote
    (in article <1083dvs$3f8t$1@dont-email.me>):

    On 19/08/2025 20:00, David Dalton wrote:

    He didnrCOt say rCLI prayrCY, he said rCLI willrCY,

    Jesus was asked, "If you will ..." to which He gave the grammatically
    correct reply, "I will". You are reading far too much into a simple
    question and answer exchange.

    Yes, you are right; I was taking it out of context.

    From my copy of the New Testament, it reads:

    Matthew 8:2 -- And behold, a leper came to Him, and bowed down
    to Him, saying rCLLord, if You are willing, You can make me clean.rCY

    Matthew 8:3 -- And He stretched out His hand and touched him,
    saying rCLI am willing; be cleansed.rCY And immediately his leprosy
    was cleansed.

    which supports my
    claim that healer special ability is applied by willing,
    not by prayer, though the ability is divinely granted.
    But of course those without healer special ability
    have to rely on prayer.

    As the unique Son of God, Jesus had no need to pray in order to heal.
    There is no "healer special ability" as you claim.

    Then what about the apostles who gained healer special
    ability at Pentecost?

    And I donrCOt agree that Jesus was the unique son of God,
    but that he was a man like me, but his primary special
    ability was healing and mine is matchmaking, and
    we share(d) some other abilities which I wonrCOt discuss
    here unless someone asks me to do so.

    Also Jesus did pray to his Father at times, didnrCOt he?
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  • From Kendall K. Down@kendallkdown@googlemail.com to uk.religion.christian on Thu Aug 21 06:15:57 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.religion.christian

    On 21/08/2025 01:26, David Dalton wrote:

    Then what about the apostles who gained healer special
    ability at Pentecost?

    They didn't. You need to read your Bible.
    And I donrCOt agree that Jesus was the unique son of God,

    No, of course you don't, but that doesn't alter what He was. It merely
    puts your eternal destiny in jeopardy.

    Also Jesus did pray to his Father at times, didnrCOt he?

    He did, but not before healing anyone.

    God bless,
    Kendall K. Down
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