• Cheese and Creationism

    From Kendall K. Down@kendallkdown@googlemail.com to uk.religion.christian on Mon Jul 21 10:04:48 2025
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    Those of you with good memories may recall how I commented on an article
    in New Scientist in 2003 which featured Nile Edredge and his attacks on Creationism. Eldredge collects cornets (the musical kind) and noticed
    that when one manufacturer came up with an impro+vement, it wasn't long
    before other manufacturers were copying it. This "horizontal transfer"
    was, Eldredge claimed, a sign of intelligent design, which he gleefully contrasted with the supposed v+ertical descent which characterised biology.

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    Eldredge has now begun to take his findings to the enemy. Creationists
    seem to want to adopt science for their own ends, he reasons, so why not
    use the scientific method to show that their theory is wrong? "Since
    nobody can test the supernatural," he tells them, "the least you can do
    is have the grace to look at a system that we know was intelligently designed." And then he adds, "I have brought an example along."
    New Scientist 26-07-2003 p. 41
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    It was my turn to be gleeful when, just over a month later, New
    Scientist reported on the work of Mike Syvanen, who discovered
    horizontal gene transfer. Of course, the editors of New Scientist have
    the attention spans of mice with Alzheimers and didn't notice that their report cut the foundations from their eulogy of Niles Eldredge.

    Thirteen years later, not only has Wikipedia accepted that horizontal
    transfer (the mark of intelligent design, remember) is a reality, but
    New Scientist published a report stating that you can find it in cheese!

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    The diverse microbes that cheese makes use are swapping genes like crazy
    as they evolve to thrive in the new environment we have created for
    them. A study of 165 of the bacterial species in cheeses has found that
    150 of them - 80% - have shared genes with other species. Altogether
    nearly 5,000 genes have been swapped. The process probably began when
    people started making cheeses and continues to this day. It is now clear
    that gene-swapping is much more common than we thought, especially among bacteria.
    New Scientist 22-10-2016 p. 10
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    As I have always said, increasing knowledge and new discoveries make the theory of evolution ever more incredible. You lot can stick with the
    out-dated maunderings of St Charles Darwin; I'll stick with up-to-date scientific evidence - and Eldredge's cornets - to show that the world is
    the product of intelligent design.

    God bless,
    Kendall K. Down
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