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Jeff Gaines <jgnewsid@outlook.com> wrote:
On 02/09/2025 in message <1096bgv$d5kg$1@andyburns.eternal-september.org>
Andy Burns wrote:
Naqerj wrote:
I believe that crows do the same thing, which means the distance 'as the >>>> crow flies' is no shorter than going by road.
Having gurgled a bit on geese migration, it's amazing to see they can fly >>> over 1,000 miles per day.
Have you notice that one side of the V formations is always longer than
the other? It's because there are more geese that side.
Are you sure itrCOs not because there are less on the other?
Tim
On 2025-09-02, Chris Elvidge wrote:
On 02/09/2025 at 12:33, Hymermut wrote:Naked gun? Maybe something else around that time? It was a while ago.
On 02/09/2025 10:45, John Williamson wrote:
If you look at the spacing and angle of the V, that is determined by
the vortices left by the bird in front providing, in effect, some free >>>> lift. As the bird at the front doesn't get this, after a while it gets >>>> tired, drops back and another one takes over.
I suspect someone got a PhD for working that out....
Wouldn't it be great if birds could fly in some other formations like
the Red Arrows?
A loop in a diamond D would be most spectacular.
In fact, do birds ever loop?
Maybe falcons?
Or roll for that matter.
Have we now exceeded the aerobatic abilities of birds in our cast off
metal skins?
We have deffo outmoled moles, outhorsed horses and out beavered beavers. >>> We are getting close to outdolphing dolphins.
Ah, beavers, my favourite. Oh, you mean the dam-building animal.
On 02/09/2025 16:33, Simon wrote:
On 2025-09-02, Nicholas D. Richards wrote:
Over the 26 mile marathon course, humans have been known to beatHunter-gatherer Man as a species probably outdid all other land
mammals in terms of stamina. In a day a fit young man can walk
further in a day than a horse. A horse can easily outrun a man over
a short distance, but over a long distance a horse needs more time
to recover.
That doesn't seem right to me, surely a horse can out walk a human,
even a fit one.
horses carrying jockeys. I can't seem to find the link now, but there
is a long distance horse race (About 100 miles) in the USA where the
score is about 50:50.
Over about a kilometre a man can beat a cheetah, which runs out of
puff at about 300 metres and then needs a rest to recover.
In article <1096km0$fdkm$1@dont-email.me>, Hymermut <tone@email.com> on
Tue, 2 Sep 2025 at 12:33:19 awoke Nicholas from his slumbers and wrote
On 02/09/2025 10:45, John Williamson wrote:
If you look at the spacing and angle of the V, that is determined by the >>> vortices left by the bird in front providing, in effect, some free lift. >>> As the bird at the front doesn't get this, after a while it gets tired, >>> drops back and another one takes over.
I suspect someone got a PhD for working that out....
Wouldn't it be great if birds could fly in some other formations like
the Red Arrows?
A loop in a diamond D would be most spectacular.
In fact, do birds ever loop?
Maybe falcons?
Or roll for that matter.
Have we now exceeded the aerobatic abilities of birds in our cast off >>metal skins?
We have deffo outmoled moles, outhorsed horses and out beavered beavers. >>We are getting close to outdolphing dolphins.
I don't think we'll ever outcat cats. It seems that our efforts to
outdog dogs his going well in one way.
Hunter-gatherer Man as a species probably outdid all other land mammals
in terms of stamina. In a day a fit young man can walk further in a day
than a horse. A horse can easily outrun a man over a short distance, but
over a long distance a horse needs more time to recover.
On 03/09/2025 at 08:41, Tim+ wrote:
Jeff Gaines <jgnewsid@outlook.com> wrote:
On 02/09/2025 in message <1096bgv$d5kg$1@andyburns.eternal-september.org> >>>Andy Burns wrote:
Naqerj wrote:
I believe that crows do the same thing, which means the distance 'as >>>>>the
crow flies' is no shorter than going by road.
Having gurgled a bit on geese migration, it's amazing to see they can >>>>fly
over 1,000 miles per day.
Have you notice that one side of the V formations is always longer than >>>the other? It's because there are more geese that side.
Are you sure itrCOs not because there are less on the other?
fewer!
On 02/09/2025 7:31 am, Thomas Prufer wrote:
On Mon, 1 Sep 2025 20:10:42 +0100, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
wrote:
1st of September and the geeses aren't wasting any time, two noisy 'V'
formations of them just whizzed past not much more than rooftop level.
I used to hear them more often when we rented an office a couple of
miles down the road, how closely do they follow their routes year on
year?
I found a lost carrier pigeon, phoned the owner and he came to pick it
up.
He said: pigeons have magnetic senses, fly by the stars etc.
The less experienced ones just follow along (as this one did, it
missed it's
turn and ran out of power) and, if visible and if the they are
familiar with the
area, the just follow the motorways.
I believe that crows do the same thing, which means the distance 'as the crow flies' is no shorter than going by road.
On 2025-09-02, Nicholas D. Richards wrote:
Hunter-gatherer Man as a species probably outdid all other land mammals
in terms of stamina. In a day a fit young man can walk further in a day
than a horse. A horse can easily outrun a man over a short distance, but
over a long distance a horse needs more time to recover.
That doesn't seem right to me, surely a horse can out walk a human, even a fit
one.
On 02/09/2025 at 12:33, Hymermut wrote:
On 02/09/2025 10:45, John Williamson wrote:
If you look at the spacing and angle of the V, that is determined by
the vortices left by the bird in front providing, in effect, some free
lift. As the bird at the front doesn't get this, after a while it gets
tired, drops back and another one takes over.
I suspect someone got a PhD for working that out....
Wouldn't it be great if birds could fly in some other formations like
the Red Arrows?
A loop in a diamond D would be most spectacular.
In fact, do birds ever loop?
Maybe falcons?
Or roll for that matter.
Have we now exceeded the aerobatic abilities of birds in our cast off
metal skins?
We have deffo outmoled moles, outhorsed horses and out beavered beavers.
We are getting close to outdolphing dolphins.
Ah, beavers, my favourite. Oh, you mean the dam-building animal.
On 02/09/2025 16:34, Simon wrote:
On 2025-09-02, Chris Elvidge wrote:
On 02/09/2025 at 12:33, Hymermut wrote:Naked gun? Maybe something else around that time? It was a while ago.
On 02/09/2025 10:45, John Williamson wrote:
If you look at the spacing and angle of the V, that is determined by >>>>> the vortices left by the bird in front providing, in effect, some free >>>>> lift. As the bird at the front doesn't get this, after a while it gets >>>>> tired, drops back and another one takes over.
I suspect someone got a PhD for working that out....
Wouldn't it be great if birds could fly in some other formations like
the Red Arrows?
A loop in a diamond D would be most spectacular.
In fact, do birds ever loop?
Maybe falcons?
Or roll for that matter.
Have we now exceeded the aerobatic abilities of birds in our cast off
metal skins?
We have deffo outmoled moles, outhorsed horses and out beavered beavers. >>>> We are getting close to outdolphing dolphins.
Ah, beavers, my favourite. Oh, you mean the dam-building animal.
I have a tee shirt that says "Nice beaver" and a cartoon of said animal.
Not everyone gets the reference..
Chris
Are you sure it's not because there are less on the other?
fewer!
Pedant :-)
Over the 26 mile marathon course, humans have been known to beat horses carrying jockeys. I can't seem to find the link now, but there is a long distance horse race (About 100 miles) in the USA where the score is
about 50:50.
They live for 15 to 30 years, unless predated.
On 02/09/2025 17:00, John Williamson wrote:
Over the 26 mile marathon course, humans have been known to beat
horses carrying jockeys. I can't seem to find the link now, but there
is a long distance horse race (About 100 miles) in the USA where the
score is about 50:50.
Why would a human want to carry a jockey for 26 miles?
On 02/09/2025 17:00, John Williamson wrote:
Over the 26 mile marathon course, humans have been known to beat
horses carrying jockeys. I can't seem to find the link now, but there
is a long distance horse race (About 100 miles) in the USA where the
score is about 50:50.
Why would a human want to carry a jockey for 26 miles?
On 05/09/2025 01:56, Mike Fleming wrote:
On 02/09/2025 17:00, John Williamson wrote:
Over the 26 mile marathon course, humans have been known to beat
horses carrying jockeys. I can't seem to find the link now, but there
is a long distance horse race (About 100 miles) in the USA where the
score is about 50:50.
Why would a human want to carry a jockey for 26 miles?
I suppose it's just something they get saddled with.
Tone