• family vocabulary

    From Nicholas D. Richards@nicholas@salmiron.com to uk.rec.sheds on Wed Aug 13 13:32:41 2025
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    One Saturday morning we were having breakfast in a local 'greasy spoon'
    caff. There was a noisy and friendly family at the next table. The husband/father went up to the counter for another tea, or some such.
    The wife called out "Ninnis can you get....." . I turned to his wife
    and asked if his name was Nicholas, which is was.

    I had not heard that word ("Ninnis") for many decades. I had only heard
    it within my one family and then only until I and my siblings could
    pronounce my name. I wonder how often a Nicholas, when a child, has
    been called "Ninnis".

    My brother reminded me that we used to call the rind on cooked bacon,
    "swords".

    My son used to have trouble pronouncing 'l' at the beginning of a word,
    as in "Cover my yegs please Daddy" at bedtime. So within the family
    'legs' are 'yegs'. Oddly he never had problems with his own name,
    Nicholas.

    His (not a native English speaker) mother had a problem with his middle
    name, which she often pronounced "Hendry".
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  • From Kerr-Mudd, John@admin@127.0.0.1 to uk.rec.sheds on Wed Aug 13 17:06:02 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.rec.sheds

    On Wed, 13 Aug 2025 13:32:41 +0100
    "Nicholas D. Richards" <nicholas@salmiron.com> wrote:

    One Saturday morning we were having breakfast in a local 'greasy spoon'
    caff. There was a noisy and friendly family at the next table. The

    They still exist?

    husband/father went up to the counter for another tea, or some such.
    The wife called out "Ninnis can you get....." . I turned to his wife
    and asked if his name was Nicholas, which is was.

    I had not heard that word ("Ninnis") for many decades. I had only heard
    it within my one family and then only until I and my siblings could
    pronounce my name. I wonder how often a Nicholas, when a child, has
    been called "Ninnis".

    My brother reminded me that we used to call the rind on cooked bacon, "swords".

    My son used to have trouble pronouncing 'l' at the beginning of a word,
    as in "Cover my yegs please Daddy" at bedtime. So within the family
    'legs' are 'yegs'. Oddly he never had problems with his own name,
    Nicholas.

    His (not a native English speaker) mother had a problem with his middle
    name, which she often pronounced "Hendry".

    My family only had 2 words that were special to us (kids) that I recall -
    my sister was told that a neighbour's pony was called "Simon", so it
    became a generic name. My father instilled in us the name "puffin billy"
    for the vacuum cleaner (hoover). It was decades before I found out why.
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    Bah, and indeed Humbug.
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  • From chrisnd@privacy.net@chrisnd@privacy.net to uk.rec.sheds on Thu Aug 14 11:20:16 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.rec.sheds

    On 13/08/2025 17:06, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
    On Wed, 13 Aug 2025 13:32:41 +0100
    "Nicholas D. Richards" <nicholas@salmiron.com> wrote:

    One Saturday morning we were having breakfast in a local 'greasy spoon'
    caff. There was a noisy and friendly family at the next table. The

    They still exist?

    husband/father went up to the counter for another tea, or some such.
    The wife called out "Ninnis can you get....." . I turned to his wife
    and asked if his name was Nicholas, which is was.

    I had not heard that word ("Ninnis") for many decades. I had only heard
    it within my one family and then only until I and my siblings could
    pronounce my name. I wonder how often a Nicholas, when a child, has
    been called "Ninnis".

    My brother reminded me that we used to call the rind on cooked bacon,
    "swords".

    My son used to have trouble pronouncing 'l' at the beginning of a word,
    as in "Cover my yegs please Daddy" at bedtime. So within the family
    'legs' are 'yegs'. Oddly he never had problems with his own name,
    Nicholas.

    His (not a native English speaker) mother had a problem with his middle
    name, which she often pronounced "Hendry".

    My family only had 2 words that were special to us (kids) that I recall -
    my sister was told that a neighbour's pony was called "Simon", so it
    became a generic name. My father instilled in us the name "puffin billy"
    for the vacuum cleaner (hoover). It was decades before I found out why.


    It was steam powered?

    Chris
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  • From Nicholas D. Richards@nicholas@salmiron.com to uk.rec.sheds on Thu Aug 14 19:40:02 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.rec.sheds

    In article <mg5rj0Fffl8U1@mid.individual.net>, chrisnd@privacy.net <chrisnd@privacy.net> on Thu, 14 Aug 2025 at 11:20:16 awoke Nicholas
    from his slumbers and wrote
    On 13/08/2025 17:06, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
    On Wed, 13 Aug 2025 13:32:41 +0100
    "Nicholas D. Richards" <nicholas@salmiron.com> wrote:

    One Saturday morning we were having breakfast in a local 'greasy spoon'
    caff. There was a noisy and friendly family at the next table. The

    They still exist?

    husband/father went up to the counter for another tea, or some such.
    The wife called out "Ninnis can you get....." . I turned to his wife
    and asked if his name was Nicholas, which is was.

    I had not heard that word ("Ninnis") for many decades. I had only heard >>> it within my one family and then only until I and my siblings could
    pronounce my name. I wonder how often a Nicholas, when a child, has
    been called "Ninnis".

    My brother reminded me that we used to call the rind on cooked bacon,
    "swords".

    My son used to have trouble pronouncing 'l' at the beginning of a word,
    as in "Cover my yegs please Daddy" at bedtime. So within the family
    'legs' are 'yegs'. Oddly he never had problems with his own name,
    Nicholas.

    His (not a native English speaker) mother had a problem with his middle
    name, which she often pronounced "Hendry".

    My family only had 2 words that were special to us (kids) that I recall -
    my sister was told that a neighbour's pony was called "Simon", so it
    became a generic name. My father instilled in us the name "puffin billy"
    for the vacuum cleaner (hoover). It was decades before I found out why.


    It was steam powered?

    Chris

    I am not sure which came first, the nickname for my grandfather or the locomotive (an 0-6-0 austerity model tank engine) that was named after
    him and was had the sobriquet "Puffing Billy".
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    "O* sont les neiges d'antan?"
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  • From Mike Fleming@mike@tauzero.co.uk to uk.rec.sheds on Fri Aug 15 00:05:05 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.rec.sheds

    On 13/08/2025 17:06, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
    On Wed, 13 Aug 2025 13:32:41 +0100
    "Nicholas D. Richards" <nicholas@salmiron.com> wrote:

    One Saturday morning we were having breakfast in a local 'greasy spoon'
    caff. There was a noisy and friendly family at the next table. The

    They still exist?

    Tables or families?
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  • From Richard Robinson@richard@qualmograph.org.uk to uk.rec.sheds on Thu Aug 21 15:11:50 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.rec.sheds

    Kerr-Mudd, John said:

    My father instilled in us the name "puffin billy"
    for the vacuum cleaner (hoover). It was decades before I found out why.

    It ate fish ?
    --
    Richard Robinson
    "The whole plan hinged upon the natural curiosity of potatoes" - S. Lem

    My email address is at http://qualmograph.org.uk/contact.html
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  • From Simon@SimonJ@eu.invalid to uk.rec.sheds on Sat Aug 23 07:25:25 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.rec.sheds

    On 2025-08-21, Richard Robinson wrote:
    Kerr-Mudd, John said:

    My father instilled in us the name "puffin billy"
    for the vacuum cleaner (hoover). It was decades before I found out why.

    It ate fish ?



    I thought puffin billy was a train, I don't know why.
    --
    Simon

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  • From Julian Macassey@julian@n6are.com to uk.rec.sheds on Sun Aug 24 09:47:57 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.rec.sheds

    On Sat, 23 Aug 2025 15:36:55 -0000 (UTC), Simon <SimonJ@eu.invalid> wrote:
    On 2025-08-23, Andy Burns wrote:
    Simon wrote:

    I thought puffin billy was a train

    Not a horse-drawn vacuum cleaner?

    How would a horse hold the pencil?

    A vet visits a stable to look at a sick horse, wanting to
    take note about the patient, he reches behind his ear and pulls
    out a thermometer and exclaims "Oh no! Some arsehole has my
    pencil!"
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    Remember when multi-billion dollar corporations actually employed
    tech support? Yeah, those were the days. - Jamie Zawinski
    <jwz@jwz.org>
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  • From Simon@SimonJ@eu.invalid to uk.rec.sheds on Sun Aug 24 11:58:03 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.rec.sheds

    On 2025-08-24, Julian Macassey wrote:
    On Sat, 23 Aug 2025 15:36:55 -0000 (UTC), Simon <SimonJ@eu.invalid> wrote:
    On 2025-08-23, Andy Burns wrote:
    Simon wrote:

    I thought puffin billy was a train

    Not a horse-drawn vacuum cleaner?

    How would a horse hold the pencil?

    A vet visits a stable to look at a sick horse, wanting to
    take note about the patient, he reches behind his ear and pulls
    out a thermometer and exclaims "Oh no! Some arsehole has my
    pencil!"



    I am hoping he didn't lick the tip before he noticed :-)
    --
    Simon

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  • From Abandoned Trolley@that.bloke@microsoft.com to uk.rec.sheds on Sun Aug 24 16:37:41 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.rec.sheds


    A vet visits a stable to look at a sick horse, wanting to
    take note about the patient, he reches behind his ear and pulls
    out a thermometer and exclaims "Oh no! Some arsehole has my
    pencil!"



    I am hoping he didn't lick the tip before he noticed :-)


    I have never known the reason for the licking of pencils :-\


    (you can lead a horse to water, but a pencil must be lead)
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  • From Nicholas D. Richards@nicholas@salmiron.com to uk.rec.sheds on Sun Aug 24 19:52:27 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.rec.sheds

    In article <slrn10alvib.beet.SimonJ@silex.localdomain>, Simon <SimonJ@eu.invalid> on Sun, 24 Aug 2025 at 11:58:03 awoke Nicholas from
    his slumbers and wrote
    On 2025-08-24, Julian Macassey wrote:
    On Sat, 23 Aug 2025 15:36:55 -0000 (UTC), Simon <SimonJ@eu.invalid> wrote: >>> On 2025-08-23, Andy Burns wrote:
    Simon wrote:

    I thought puffin billy was a train

    Not a horse-drawn vacuum cleaner?

    How would a horse hold the pencil?

    A vet visits a stable to look at a sick horse, wanting to
    take note about the patient, he reches behind his ear and pulls
    out a thermometer and exclaims "Oh no! Some arsehole has my
    pencil!"



    I am hoping he didn't lick the tip before he noticed :-)

    I can understand why you might lick the tip of your own thermometer, but
    I have never understood why you would lick the tip of a pencil (yes I
    know people do). You would never know which nefr ubyr has licked it
    before you.
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    0sterc@tcher -

    "O* sont les neiges d'antan?"
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  • From Simon@SimonJ@eu.invalid to uk.rec.sheds on Sun Aug 24 21:18:34 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.rec.sheds

    On 2025-08-24, Abandoned Trolley wrote:

    A vet visits a stable to look at a sick horse, wanting to
    take note about the patient, he reches behind his ear and pulls
    out a thermometer and exclaims "Oh no! Some arsehole has my
    pencil!"



    I am hoping he didn't lick the tip before he noticed :-)


    I have never known the reason for the licking of pencils :-\


    (you can lead a horse to water, but a pencil must be lead)

    I never did it but it was so common when I was in school, maybe someone here can
    enlighten us. :-)
    --
    Simon

    RLU: 222126

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  • From Simon@SimonJ@eu.invalid to uk.rec.sheds on Sun Aug 24 21:19:20 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.rec.sheds

    On 2025-08-24, Nicholas D. Richards wrote:
    In article <slrn10alvib.beet.SimonJ@silex.localdomain>, Simon
    <SimonJ@eu.invalid> on Sun, 24 Aug 2025 at 11:58:03 awoke Nicholas from
    his slumbers and wrote
    On 2025-08-24, Julian Macassey wrote:
    On Sat, 23 Aug 2025 15:36:55 -0000 (UTC), Simon <SimonJ@eu.invalid> wrote: >>>> On 2025-08-23, Andy Burns wrote:
    Simon wrote:

    I thought puffin billy was a train

    Not a horse-drawn vacuum cleaner?

    How would a horse hold the pencil?

    A vet visits a stable to look at a sick horse, wanting to
    take note about the patient, he reches behind his ear and pulls
    out a thermometer and exclaims "Oh no! Some arsehole has my
    pencil!"



    I am hoping he didn't lick the tip before he noticed :-)

    I can understand why you might lick the tip of your own thermometer, but
    I have never understood why you would lick the tip of a pencil (yes I
    know people do). You would never know which nefr ubyr has licked it
    before you.

    I did used to chew the non pointy end of pencils, but they were my own.
    --
    Simon

    RLU: 222126

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  • From John Williamson@johnwilliamson@btinternet.com to uk.rec.sheds on Sun Aug 24 23:32:41 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.rec.sheds

    On 24/08/2025 22:18, Simon wrote:
    On 2025-08-24, Abandoned Trolley wrote:


    I have never known the reason for the licking of pencils :-\


    (you can lead a horse to water, but a pencil must be lead)

    I never did it but it was so common when I was in school, maybe someone here can
    enlighten us. :-)

    Supposedly, it makes the mption of the pencil on the paper smoother due
    to the lubrication.

    I suspect the placebo effect may be involved.
    --
    Tciao for Now!

    John.
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  • From Simon@SimonJ@eu.invalid to uk.rec.sheds on Mon Aug 25 05:08:36 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.rec.sheds

    On 2025-08-24, John Williamson wrote:
    On 24/08/2025 22:18, Simon wrote:
    On 2025-08-24, Abandoned Trolley wrote:


    I have never known the reason for the licking of pencils :-\


    (you can lead a horse to water, but a pencil must be lead)

    I never did it but it was so common when I was in school, maybe someone here can
    enlighten us. :-)

    Supposedly, it makes the mption of the pencil on the paper smoother due
    to the lubrication.

    I suspect the placebo effect may be involved.


    It makes sense, it would be a viral post today to get everyone doing it :-)
    --
    Simon

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  • From Julian Macassey@julian@n6are.com to uk.rec.sheds on Tue Aug 26 09:39:45 2025
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    On Sun, 24 Aug 2025 16:37:41 +0100, Abandoned Trolley <that.bloke@microsoft.com> wrote:

    A vet visits a stable to look at a sick horse, wanting to
    take note about the patient, he reches behind his ear and
    pulls out a thermometer and exclaims "Oh no! Some
    arsehole has my pencil!"



    I am hoping he didn't lick the tip before he noticed :-)


    I have never known the reason for the licking of pencils :-\

    Explained here:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copying_pencil

    If you moistened and indelible pencil, the dye would
    transfer to the paper.

    Indelible pencils were popular with people working
    outdoors.

    Then L|iszl|| B|!r|| came along and finally made them
    obselete.
    --
    The NHS will last as long as there are folk left with faith to
    fight for it. - Aneurin Bevan
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  • From Abandoned Trolley@that.bloke@microsoft.com to uk.rec.sheds on Wed Aug 27 08:32:33 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.rec.sheds

    On 26/08/2025 10:39, Julian Macassey wrote:
    On Sun, 24 Aug 2025 16:37:41 +0100, Abandoned Trolley <that.bloke@microsoft.com> wrote:

    A vet visits a stable to look at a sick horse, wanting to
    take note about the patient, he reches behind his ear and
    pulls out a thermometer and exclaims "Oh no! Some
    arsehole has my pencil!"



    I am hoping he didn't lick the tip before he noticed :-)


    I have never known the reason for the licking of pencils :-\

    Explained here:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copying_pencil

    If you moistened and indelible pencil, the dye would
    transfer to the paper.

    Indelible pencils were popular with people working
    outdoors.

    Then L|iszl|| B|!r|| came along and finally made them
    obselete.




    so .... no sensible reason for ever licking a non indelible pencil ?
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  • From Chris Deuchar@chrisnd@privacy.net to uk.rec.sheds on Wed Aug 27 07:50:16 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.rec.sheds

    On 27/08/2025 08:32, Abandoned Trolley wrote:
    On 26/08/2025 10:39, Julian Macassey wrote:
    On Sun, 24 Aug 2025 16:37:41 +0100, Abandoned Trolley
    <that.bloke@microsoft.com> wrote:

    A vet visits a stable to look at a sick horse, wanting to
    take note about the patient, he reches behind his ear and
    pulls out a thermometer and exclaims "Oh no! Some
    arsehole has my pencil!"



    I am hoping he didn't lick the tip before he noticed :-)


    I have never known the reason for the licking of pencils :-\

    Explained here:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copying_pencil

    If you moistened and indelible pencil, the dye would
    transfer to the paper.

    Indelible pencils were popular with people working
    outdoors.

    Then L|iszl|| B|!r|| came along and finally made them
    obselete.




    so .... no sensible reason for ever licking a non indelible pencil ?

    Nor a biro, IHTBS

    Chris
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  • From brian@nospam@b-howie.co.uk to uk.rec.sheds on Fri Aug 29 12:27:53 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.rec.sheds

    In message <108mcah$gvph$1@dont-email.me>, Abandoned Trolley <that.bloke@microsoft.com> writes
    On 26/08/2025 10:39, Julian Macassey wrote:
    On Sun, 24 Aug 2025 16:37:41 +0100, Abandoned Trolley
    <that.bloke@microsoft.com> wrote:

    A vet visits a stable to look at a sick horse, wanting to
    take note about the patient, he reches behind his ear and
    pulls out a thermometer and exclaims "Oh no! Some
    arsehole has my pencil!"



    I am hoping he didn't lick the tip before he noticed :-)


    I have never known the reason for the licking of pencils :-\
    Explained here:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copying_pencil
    If you moistened and indelible pencil, the dye would
    transfer to the paper.
    Indelible pencils were popular with people working
    outdoors.
    Then Lbszl< B0r< came along and finally made them
    obselete.




    so .... no sensible reason for ever licking a non indelible pencil ?


    I read it as inedible

    B
    --
    Brian Howie
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  • From Simon@SimonJ@eu.invalid to uk.rec.sheds on Fri Aug 29 19:42:17 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.rec.sheds

    On 2025-08-29, brian wrote:
    In message <108mcah$gvph$1@dont-email.me>, Abandoned Trolley
    <that.bloke@microsoft.com> writes
    On 26/08/2025 10:39, Julian Macassey wrote:
    On Sun, 24 Aug 2025 16:37:41 +0100, Abandoned Trolley
    <that.bloke@microsoft.com> wrote:

    A vet visits a stable to look at a sick horse, wanting to
    take note about the patient, he reches behind his ear and
    pulls out a thermometer and exclaims "Oh no! Some
    arsehole has my pencil!"



    I am hoping he didn't lick the tip before he noticed :-)


    I have never known the reason for the licking of pencils :-\
    Explained here:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copying_pencil
    If you moistened and indelible pencil, the dye would
    transfer to the paper.
    Indelible pencils were popular with people working
    outdoors.
    Then L|iszl|| B|!r|| came along and finally made them
    obselete.




    so .... no sensible reason for ever licking a non indelible pencil ?


    I read it as inedible

    B

    Merely lickable :-)
    --
    Simon

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